I've noticed there is a large portion of fitness community that is afraid of plants and think it's manly to avoid them.

I've noticed there is a large portion of fitness community that is afraid of plants and think it's manly to avoid them.

What is the cause of this?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    pseudo-bravado.
    also, it's not as much of 'being manly' than it is a fallacious appeal to base desires and abdication of personal responsibility. much easier to gorge yourself on, a necessary food type yes, but in a gluttonous manner - and claim that gluttony is 'manly'. when in reality, it is deeply spiritually sickening to participate in murder beyond what we must. to take without consideration is an extremely moron tier behavior, of all things, especially toward the kingdoms helpless to resist us, the animals and earth.
    on the flipside, there's no doubt once you directly experience the benefit of a superfood mix tripling your energy, an herbal tincture making your digestion twice as good, or just plain refreshing good fruit, the ego steps back and sits the fuck down.
    also garden gnomes did 9/11.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >pseudo-bravado.
      >also, it's not as much of 'being manly' than it is a fallacious appeal to base desires and abdication of personal responsibility. much easier to gorge yourself on, a necessary food type yes, but in a gluttonous manner - and claim that gluttony is 'manly'. when in reality, it is deeply spiritually sickening to participate in murder beyond what we must. to take without consideration is an extremely moron tier behavior, of all things, especially toward the kingdoms helpless to resist us, the animals and earth.
      >on the flipside, there's no doubt once you directly experience the benefit of a superfood mix tripling your energy, an herbal tincture making your digestion twice as good, or just plain refreshing good fruit, the ego steps back and sits the fuck down.
      >also garden gnomes did 9/11.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't make it past sentence 3, heckin gayerino.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    enjoy your anti-nutrients, idiot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      things a carnilarper will never do:
      post body

    • 2 months ago
      Ketoschizo

      There you are ketoschizo, I thought I lost you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      "anti nutrients" are also called hormetic compounds and are literally required to live retard.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >large portion of fitness community
    it's really only fat americans trying to justify eating goyslop substitutes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In reality though it's just anglos. When Toast Sandwich is considered prime cuisine you know it's bad. Meanwhile Americans eat steak and broccoli every day. Kale is also very popular.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ummm that's outdated, kfc beats maccies now for top american fast food chain sweetie

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          greggs rules eternal

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gnosticism; I.e: “reality is bad, common sense, experience and intuition are unreliable.”

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >“reality is bad, common sense, experience and intuition are unreliable.”
      all of that stuff points to meat being better. almost every traditional culture on earth considers meat to be the most nutritious and valuable food.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just about every society in history has eaten both meat and plants. There are exceptions, but obviously both are fine.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Just about every society in history has eaten both meat and plants. There are exceptions
          There are no exceptions.

          Even the based keto-carnitard Eskimos got nearly half their calories from pemmican, which is dried meat, herbs, and berries.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m not sure, but it must be related to why vegans irrationally avoid protein, even from plant-based sources. I ate a vegan diet for 2 years (grew up eating a terrible diet and was fat, so I needed to lose weight and reset my diet). It was so frustrating trying to get protein eating vegan food. Pretty much nothing ready-made on the market at the time had anywhere close to enough protein. Maybe 3g max per serving of vegan foods. If I wanted protein, I had to prepare my own meal.

    I think it stemmed from protein being a reason people were concerned about adopting a vegan diet. Rather than make vegan foods that had lots of protein, which actually isn’t too hard, vegans would avoid protein altogether, in some retarded protest or as a demonstration of how protein is unnecessary. Basically tribalism plus low-IQ.

    TL;DR people do retarded things because those people are retarded

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Rather than make vegan foods that had lots of protein, which actually isn’t too hard, vegans would avoid protein altogether
      I think it's moreso a lot of vegans are concerned about their health and excess animal proteins is shown to cause kidney damage.

      IDK where you've met low protein vegans tho. Unless they're women.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Reading comp score: zero

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        McDougal considers 60g of protein with EAAs malnutrition and thinks the protein requirements should be lower. He has multiple presentations calling essential amino acids highly toxic which is why he shills beans since most of the protein is unavailable. He's also the source on those vegans saying fiber is better for building muscle. He has an army of dedicated fanboy cultists too that like to pretend to be fitness gurus but they're actually vegans.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sorry I forgot to elaborate why he says "malnutrition." He makes the connection that higher protein intake, which in his head is anything over 60g of bioavailable protein, will induce rabbit starvation which has never been observed in human populations. They can't find one example, let alone a wide spread epidemic.

          I hate these fucking Satanists so much.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I only care about results and I hate keto because I've tried various diets and know well what meshes.

          A high-carb plant-based diet is optimal for athletic performance and overall health/wellbeing.

          Nobody can produce evidence otherwise and the results speak for themselves when all the keto/carnis I've met are delusional and projecting their anger onto others.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then how come Canelo lost the second he followed that diet?

            Wait you're telling me the STARCHCHADS were phony vegan shills all along?

            Yes. They're so extreme even vegan protein substitutes like pea and zoy are considered bad by them. You have to watch out for the vegan astroturfers. They love to jump into a conversation about "athleticism" or something to start projecting their high fiber cult. And it is a cult, because it's not based on conclusion evidence. It's just biased, one off studies.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >A high-carb plant-based diet is optimal for athletic performance and overall health/wellbeing.
            Post yourself outlifting Shawn Baker. He eats zero carb 100% meat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >reddit, the response

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You will never have muscle.
              >inb4 keto
              You don't have to be either extreme. This is why you're a cult.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                i'm an empiricist. i eat meat. i lift rock.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I think it was because of meat that I missed out on having relationships as a teen

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wait you're telling me the STARCHCHADS were phony vegan shills all along?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    gnomish propaganda

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the cause of this?
    Every single person that hates veggies cannot cook for shit.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I-I-Its fake right?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its not fear. Its a recognition that not all plants are equally digestible to all people.

    MANY people can eat broccoli just fine and not suffer gastric distress - others have to make sure its well cooked- still others find they feel better (less gas, bloating, indigestion) if they avoid it entirely.

    Repeat this process for may different types of green vegetables.

    Almost noone can readily digest oak leaves, so we dont call them "edible" even though we also dont call them "poisonous." This is not considered radical.

    Nor should avoiding a bunch of other plants be callwed "radical"

    Before you criticize the avoidance of plants by some, you need to ask yourself what precisely, is being lost by not eating vegentables? Go ahead and say "muh fiber" or "muh vitamins and minerals." Thats normie tier thinking; be precise - which vitamins and minerals exactly?

    There is a lot of research and theory that says fiebr is overblown and not encesary if someone is otherwise eating a whole food/meat and egg diet.

    Also, the vitamin needs of meat eaters is less than that of omnivores - go ahead and google the use of vitamin c in the synthesis of carnitine and tell me whether meat eaters need more or less vitamin c to make that happen.

    I eat evegtables because my guts are pretty good and I like them. But I am not hostile to the argument that for some, digestion and nutrient absorption is better without them.

    Stan Efferding's vertical diet is a good balnced treatment of the de minimis role vegtanbles need to play in the healthy diet of an athlete looking to eat well and healthfully (hint - he recommends modest amounts of certain vegetables)

    Finally, fruit is frequently different - far more digestible to almost all humans than vegetable matter.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There is a lot of research and theory that says fiebr is overblown and not encesary if someone is otherwise eating a whole food/meat and egg diet.
      Post some mr ESL

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Go ahead and say "muh fiber" or "muh vitamins and minerals." Thats normie tier thinking; be precise - which vitamins and minerals exactly?
      This is the most retarded, pseudo-intellectual cum guzzling question I've ever seen in my life.

      You will be deficient in most vitamins and many minerals on a diet without vegetables, unless you eat only organ meat in which scenario you will develop gout and iron poisoning.

      >There is a lot of research and theory that says fiebr is overblown and not encesary if someone is otherwise eating a whole food/meat and egg diet.
      That's great kid. When's the last time you took a shit? No not the propaganda number. The REAL last time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You will be deficient in most vitamins and many minerals on a diet without vegetables
        Not true. You can get everything you need from meat, fish, and eggs. Some organ meats help but you don't have to mainline liver. A small serving a once or twice a month is plenty.
        >gout and
        Excess fructose causes most gout not meat

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You cannot and will not. Carnies are the most deficient of all meme-dieters which is why they are all angry and low-IQ.

          >Excess fructose causes most gout not meat
          Based retard ignoring objective reality.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >2500 calories
            >75g of protein
            If you're 5'10 or above, you are just at the level of preventing muscle atrophy. You spent all day eating just to get barely enough. If you miss a meal you're under what you need. If you exercise at all you're going to need to up that protein to around 110-120g. If you lift, you're going to need 150+ at least.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >If you're 5'10 or above, you are just at the level of preventing muscle atrophy. You spent all day eating just to get barely enough. If you miss a meal you're under what you need. If you exercise at all you're going to need to up that protein to around 110-120g. If you lift, you're going to need 150+ at least.
              Wrong. You need 35g to maintain. Double that to build at an optimal level. All amino acid requirements fulfilled.

              Pic rel. Now go ahead and post yours you pathetic sniveling ketolard fatass.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >35g to maintain
                Jesus anon holy shit
                >The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics recommends that the average individual should consume 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram or 0.35 grams per pound of body weight per day for general health. So a
                person that weighs 75 kg (165 pounds) should
                consume an average of 60 grams of protein per day
                >However, as we age, we need to increase our
                protein intake. Around 50 years of age, we
                need to increase the protein in our diets to
                one gram per kilogram of our body weight to
                maintain muscle mass. People that exercise
                regularly also need to eat more protein than the recommended daily intake
                >To increase muscle mass in combination with
                physical activity, it is recommended that a
                person that lifts weights regularly or is training
                for a running or cycling event eat a range of
                1.2-1.7 grams of protein per kilogram of body
                weight per day, or 0.5 to 0.8 grams per pound
                of body weight
                Source: American College of Sports Medicine.

                If you're a serious athlete you need even more than this.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yea that's a lot of text but it looks like you forgot to post body so whatever you say is automatically nullified. Imagine being hard mogged by a twink that decided to do bench holy fuck kek

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't cry when your muscles atrophy

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta, I didn't post body. Just came to say you got mogged. I'm not a vegan tard though, I eat 90g of protein from animal sources, don't count plant based protein since I don't know the amino acid profile but I eat plenty of veggies, grains, legumes and fruits anyway. Want to know why I eat plants? Unlike you I actually exercise hard and push myself, I also have a job that actively requires the use of my brain so I need carbs to fuel my body and mind. It's perfectly reasonable to not eat carbs if you don't exercise hard or don't need to be aware/insightful/creative through out the day.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Want to know why I eat plants? Unlike you I actually exercise hard and push myself
                Okay chud.

                Post a video of you lifting at least as much as Shawn Baker. He hasn't eaten plants in 6 years.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Shawn Baker
                >steroid abuser with testosterone levels of a child

                Carmorons are insufferable.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh blood test results
                okay vegan

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder how much Mass and LBM affect overall blood volume and hormones.
                If we assume left is 2x Heavier than right and blood volume scales, he has more T overall.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >you're going to need 150+ at least.
              Source: Bodybuilding.com article sponsored by ON whey protein

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >https://www.acsm.org/docs/default-source/files-for-resource-library/protein-intake-for-optimal-muscle-maintenance.pdf?sfvrsn=688d8896_2
                .8 of 170 is 136 so you right I'm off. I was thinking about numbers for athletes

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                0.8 grams PER KILOGRAM, retard

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This seems to apply to a lot of men in general,
    I don't know any women who refuse to eat veg but several guys I know range from calling it rabbit food and acting like it will make their nads fall off to petulantly refusing to eat them like some kind of toddler

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most people here eat their veggies, because it is part of the standard bodybuilder diet
    >Rice
    >Broccoli
    >Chicken (or other meat)
    Stop pretending

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an American thing. You wouldn't understand

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    oh look another gay made a vegan thread.
    Die of moron AIDS gay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Perhaps it’s time to invest in a thesaurus.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I've noticed there is a large portion of fitness community that is afraid of plants and think it's manly to avoid them.
    >What is the cause of this?
    people can't be bothered to follow recipes, it takes too much time to make vegetables appetizing.. shit, if i haven't someone cooking for me i wouldn't eat them at all, i would just eat fish, meat, eggs and fruit, all require little to no cooking, just put it in a pan wait a few minutes, flip, wait, done eat.. maximum gains is fruit and animals (including offal), nothing can beat that.. everything else is propaganda to sell you expensive vegetables for the price of a piece of meat

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >thinks cooking vegetables is hard

      It's literally the easiest food to cook with the lowest clean up time. You're a professional retard aren't you anon?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it takes too much time to make vegetables appetizing
      u fucking w0t bro?

      Dude you can literally buy frozen vegs, stick them in the microwave for 2 mins, add salt and add to meal

      Americans I swear

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most Europeans I have seen are giant pussies. You are probably a giant pussy. Vegetables are literally sprayed with poison. Have a good time dying in your sixties. 70s if you are tough. Either grow your own or take a huge risk of eating poisons.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh blood test results
          okay vegan

          It's a vegan shill thread. Most of the posts are OP.

          Ketoschizo, have you ever considered the fact that you are retarded?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you a giant pussy?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If I just ate the same few-minutes-to-cook slop every day, I'd blow my brains out

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why do fat fucks hate low calorie dense food?
    Because your average fatty cannot find something delicious unless it's filled with butter and sugar

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the problem with the britbongs. Everything they eat is deep fried, glazed with sugar, and slathered in butter. It's pretty gross. Then on top of that they eat beenz every day. It's why they smell so bad.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's worse with most Americans.

        I cooked a healthy meal for my family. Everyone whose ever eaten it with me says it is wonderful.

        Two minutes into eating my dad grabs a spoon of butter, puts it on his potatoes and scrapes off the chives. I already put generous amounts of butter on it, too.

        Sickens me to the core tbh.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i like pretty much all vegetables except lettuce
    lettuce sucks

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Try butter lettuce or romaine lettuce. Iceberg lettuce is just a watery net for catching pesticides.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao all these vegans in this board act like they are so much better for eating vegetables.
    Face it carbs and anti-nutrients are bad for you. You get all the nutrients you need from egg, milk and liver.
    Threads like this are a self-help group for people who hate their diet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >act like they are so much better for eating vegetables
      We are. Look at how obese, fat, and dumb the average Mutt is. They all eat tons of fat and protein.

      You know what they're deathly afraid of though? Carbs. Just walk into a McDonalds and observe all the hamplanets ordering Big Macs with a diet coke.

      And yes, with a 44% obesity rate in America, if you're giving diet advice known among all athletes to make people FAT, and eschewing your body's main fuel source: Glucose; Odds are you're obese, and therefore shouldn't talk at all.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This shilling relies on emotion but the targets use logic so it's ineffective. Nobody cares about feelings. It's all about logically becoming fit and healthy.

    Plants are weak. Meat is based.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesn't anyone shill for normal? I had eggs, wild boar sausage, kale, and potatoes for lunch the other day. Why do I have to pick one?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        First of all let me say I don't care if you eat kale. I'm not posting to try to influence your behavior.

        Kale tastes like shit and adds nothing to the human diet.

        There's globohomo shills and there's logical anons who don't get jabbed and don't eat vegetables. Only shills want you to do a specific thing.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I like kale. I bake it. With olive oil.

          nta, I didn't post body. Just came to say you got mogged. I'm not a vegan tard though, I eat 90g of protein from animal sources, don't count plant based protein since I don't know the amino acid profile but I eat plenty of veggies, grains, legumes and fruits anyway. Want to know why I eat plants? Unlike you I actually exercise hard and push myself, I also have a job that actively requires the use of my brain so I need carbs to fuel my body and mind. It's perfectly reasonable to not eat carbs if you don't exercise hard or don't need to be aware/insightful/creative through out the day.

          Yeah, nah cunt, I don't think it's possible to get mogged by a guy seeking attention for his body on the internet and only eats 35g of protein per day. He's got what 60 pounds of lean mass on him and thinks 35 grams is enough to sustain it? It's ridiculous on its own, you really shouldn't need the ACSM to tell you that's not enough.
          >Unlike you I actually exercise hard and push myself,
          Makin a lot of wrong assumptions here.
          >have a job that actively requires the use of my brain
          Ye, most people do. You're not special.
          t. work 2 jobs legal and finance, and college student.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He's got what 60 pounds of lean mass on him and thinks 35 grams is enough to sustain it?
            if you actually read the literature, protein count was pretty irrelevant. All that mattered was amino acid intake and that isn't hard to satisfy even with low-protein meals.

            Also, post body

    • 2 months ago
      Ketoschizo Deserves The Rope

      Reverse image search this, this guy spams this shit every day for hours on end lmao. What a gay.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      how many steaks do I have to eat to fix my eyesight and not need glasses?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >afraid
    No. I just don't care about them. They have 0 protein and they don't taste good so I never buy them.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    insecurity

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Association. Fruits and vegetables are not inherently harmful to health of course but look at the people who shill them; and I don't mean eat, or enjoy, I mean preach about them being the be-all-end-all one-stop-shop solution of nutrition like a keto guy with meat or a goyslop addicted land whale with McDonald's.
    >Radical vegans
    >Regular vegans
    >Retarded soccer moms on fad diets
    >Religious environmentalist DYELs

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if you don't eat the plants youre a vegophobe
    >also your penis is small
    >do what i say or ur not a man
    This will get those IST nazis to convert to veganism for sure.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    grug eat meat and lift rock. plant boy shut up

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That Grugs lifting rock. That rock for plant boys. Get bigger rock.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >63 posts
    >31 posters
    Smells like ketoschizo around these parts. I can sense the hysteria...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a vegan shill thread. Most of the posts are OP.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I avoid them because they are full of toxic shit. That's why. Only brainlets believe it is actually healthy to eat all this shit.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can ONE (1) carnitard just post body with timestamp already? This is getting ridiculous. Also I can't be the only one that thinks Shawn Baker looks like shit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pic rel. It"'s you vegtrannie

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is convincing me that Americans can only think ideologically.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Americans can only think ideologically.
      Actually it's a bunch of normal humans and then the ketoschizo. Note the 80 posts and 35 posters.

      Don't worry. In a few months-years(?) he'll be fit and able to mog the evil vegetable consoomers.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Phytoestrogens probably

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >soi is bad
        >ergo, 390,000 other species of plants are bad

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          since you seem to like numbers can you tell me how many plant species are safe for human consumption
          and what percentage of cellulose can a human digest in our non-fermenting and enzymatic based digestion system

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >muh compile a grand encyclopedia to show how many plants are edible
            >muh can humans digest fiber? heh, guess not, guess I win again chud

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              casual rough numbers will do. or do you only post numbers when they're skewed in your favour? you... wouldn't do that? would you anon?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                i wish we were friends irl plant boy. i could save you. we'd go camping and hunting together, butchering and cooking what we catch. if not we'll eat home made pemmican and just enjoy the time in nature.
                you'll point out an edible plant along the hike and we'll look at each other and simply laugh about it.
                maybe our friendship would be such that in 15 years from now, we'd both be married to our own wives, have children. take them on extended family hikes as well.
                i wish we were friends irl plant boy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pemmican
                >made from meat and berries

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                berries are optional. i assume the same applies to you as a "man". really grasping at straws plant boy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >berries are optional.
                In the 10% chance this gay isn't a troll, he's gonna be rocked when he gets scurvy and gout

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw so lonely

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Based and friendpilled

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >non-fermenting
            Where did you study metabolism and nutrition? The human gut IS host to fermenting bacteria and other microbes.
            It's a massive area of study that we've only just scratched the surface of.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              being host to a bacteria and getting 1-2% benefit from the product that is fermented based on the bacteria's waste byproduct isn't our primary digestion method. it is itself a evolutionary byproduct

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >getting 1-2% benefit from the product that is fermented
                Where did you pull that quantification from? Are you an expert on gut bacteria / host metabolite exchange?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                what percentage of cellulose do we digest? what % passes in total? what % is consumed by bacteria? of that consumed % what is excreted as fatty acids and usable for us?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We don't know the answers to all of those questions. The difference between us is that I'm happy to admit that I don't have the answers, but you're happy to make definitive statements.

                >The average human diet in Western societies contains approximately 20–25 g fiber/day (29). In diets that are high in fruit and vegetables, the fiber content may reach 60 g/day (30). Fermentation of the carbohydrates reaching the cecum yield 400–600 mmol SCFAs/day, which amounts to a production of SCFAs of 0.24–0.38 kg body weight−1 h−1, equivalent to ∼10% of the human caloric requirements
                >In humans, SCFAs provide ∼10% of the daily caloric requirements (31). CO2 production measurements in isolated colonocytes showed that colonocytes derive 60–70% of their energy supply from SCFA oxidation (100). The general idea is that colonocytes prefer butyrate to acetate and propionate, and oxidize it to ketone bodies and CO2 (100).
                >Although much is known about the biochemistry of the conversion of carbohydrates into SCFAs by the bacteria composing the microbial community, there is a paucity of data on the production rates of SCFAs by the gut microbial community as a whole. This is largely due to the inability to sample the large intestine of man. Therefore, and as discussed in the previous section, the supply rate of SCFAs to the host remains enigmatic. There is a pressing need for measurement of true production rates of SCFAs, and the degree by which specific carbohydrates and microbiota influence the mass and composition of SCFAs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >definitive statements.
                within the context of a shitpost on IST, ergo not authoritative. if you inferred that, that's on your for missing the forest.
                never the less, the answer seems to be an incredibly small amount of cellulose is digested due to our reduced (read: vestigial) cecum, and the only derived benefit is from the byproduct of the bacteria which feeds on the fiber. which only stays in our system for roughly 24 hours.
                unlike how we enzymatically break down animal products wherein we utilize the majority of the product.
                source? i made it all up. this entire time. complete gobbledymoron.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the answer seems to be an incredibly small amount of cellulose is digested
                Source: it was revealed to me in a dream

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >incredibly small amount of cellulose is digested
                >Current estimates are that VFA contribute approximately 70% to the caloric requirements of ruminants, such as sheep and cattle, approximately 10% for humans, and approximately 20-30% for several other omnivorous or herbivorous animals.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                10% caloric needs from fatty acids produced as a byproduct from bacteria eating undisgestable fiber. damn you got me. real slam dunk.
                that's such an efficient system it seems like the human body was really designed for that - fuck it - tomorrow, i'm vegan.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're an actual moron. It's not just the energy gained from it - which will vary in accordance with the amount of dietary fiber, but the other effects on host metabolism from metabolites produced or reduced by gut microbes.
                Your reductionist worldview will kill you prematurely. No primarily carnivore culture is known for lifespan or longevity.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                how is that cellulose and metabolites tasting?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is with you binary all-or-nothing retards? Just because someone isn't a carnivore doesn't mean they are a vegan.
                My refrigerator has beef and brocoli, chicken and artichokes, cheese and chives, sausage and spinach, eggs and eggplant.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                checked. because "balance" implies perfect information, in the game theory sense, if not - it is only a relative balance. or balance derived from best knowledge.
                if you look at the food industry as a whole - or as close to a whole as possible, and come to the conclusion its aim, or general aim of interdependent parts is to the betterment of human health and not profit, even if by a margin of 1% one way or the other, you're naive.
                there is systematic fuckery abound. whether in the abstraction of science via bad science or reporting, the support (financially) of infotainment pushing agendas including the moral compunction to go a certain way - the end result is the same, trust = naivety.
                where do you go from there? imo, empiricism.
                there is "genuine" science to support an animal based diet. there is "genuine" science to support a vegan lifestyle. there is "genuine" science to support a balanced diet.
                it all cannot be correct. there is no perfect knowledge. no macro efficient route to maximize end-game diet. so empiricism rules.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because "balance" implies perfect information,
                Who are you quoting? I never said anything about balance.
                Humans are omnivores. We have biological adaptations towards both plant and animal foods (low stomach pH, duplicate copies of amylase encoding genes etc)
                Whats with the big non sequitar about the food industry aiming for betterment or not profit?
                >it all cannot be correct.
                Why not? You presuppose that there is some theoretically ideal diet that everyone should follow. What if the "perfect" diet would be something different for every person, depending on their age, genetics, lifestyle etc? Every diet could be "correct" for a certain subgroup of people, or rephrased, every subgroup of people could have its own ideal diet.
                It isn't self evident that the ideal diet for a baby is the same as the ideal diet for a 30 year old male manual worker. It isn't self evident that the ideal diet for an epileptic African American with essential hypertension is the same as the ideal diet for a 90 year old Nepalese sherpa.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you implied a balance.
                >Why not?
                your examples would imply a hyper-diversification of a complex apex predator species. where else in nature do you see that beyond the superficial? you don't see some wolves evolutionary regressing due to food shortages, they simply die off. read: fermentation is a evolutionary left over.
                chances are there is a singular (not including abnormal development in pre-birth populations) optimal human diet. chances are it wouldn't naturally include a system that is as inefficient as fermenting undisgestable cellulose to feed a gut bacteria that produces something usable. especially when that gut bacteria is susceptible to die off through natural means from sources that cannot meet our needs 100% (B vitamins).
                if we were 50/50 enzymatic/fermentation digestors the systems would be more efficient. if the system was 90/10 as a necessary condition of the environment (read: survival in tough times) why wouldn't that 10 be so low when it seems the majority of our time on earth has been within a state of survival?
                it doesn't make holistic sense when you broaden your view, yet in nature we don't shutter at the thought or 100% carnivores or herbivores.
                the non-sequitur about the food industry is inclusive in my broadened view because it explains people like you with (bad) preconceived notions of balance and people with absurd notions like veganism.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >read: fermentation is a evolutionary left over.
                Yet no vertebrate species can exist in good health without a stable gut microbiome that ferments part of their food and produces certain useful metabolites to the host species and prevents colonisation of the gut by pathogenic microbes.
                You talk about things making "holistic sense" and yet you only consider gut fermentation in terms of the proportion of energy it contributes and not the multitude of other functions it serves by virtue of the microbes it sustains.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        that 320 on the right hand side of the image is incredibly poorly photoshopped in. Could you have at least tried a little harder?

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegetables are delicious, why would anyone not want to eat them?

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a large portion of fitness community
    where are you getting these numbers?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dudes ain't eating their veggies because they can't cook 'em in. Cognitive dissonance forces them to contort their reasoning to think it's a good thing. Many such cases.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    these people aren't in the fitness community, they are obese and on the internet

    outside of the real wacko carnivores any balanced nutritionist will tell you that eating fresh fruit and vegetables along with your meat is ideal and better than supplementing with artificial extracts. However most agree that meat is extremely helpful for gains

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the US is scared of vegetables. It is a cultural thing.
    My only three daily goals on diet:
    >Eating my caloric target, not more or less.
    >Reaching my protein target.
    >Eating 800 g of combined vegetables and fruits daily.
    I have never felt better

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we have data on tens of millions of patients showing that excessive meat intake impacts cardiovascular health and significantly contributes to heart attack
    >we have data on tens of millions of patients showing that low fibre intake impacts gastrointestinal health and significantly contributes to colorectal cancer

    >a few shills posting pictures of skinny vegans and talking about ''antinutrients'' and sneed oils conspiracy is all it takes to convince you otherwise

    Seriously, how fucking dense can you be? I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for this whole anti-plant carnivore keto hysteria is just that people want an excuse to eat fucking bacon every day.

    >b...but I feel better on carnivore diet
    Yeah, congrats, now let's analyze why it is? Did you cut out industrial processed garbage and sugar? Is that maybe the reason you feel better? Ok, now let's eat like a normal person and maybe you won't have a stroke before you can see your grandchildren.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      number of studies about the health of carnivore populations and their results?
      it is the combination of plants + meat in the SAD that is bad.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >meat intake impacts cardiovascular health and significantly contributes to heart attack
      We actually don't. Stop falling for headlines.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've read this research and I don't need some retard to spoon-feed it to me. It even says in the paper that all the evidence found is low to very-low certainty. And the guy in the video even says that vegetables are beneficial and unless you consume meat all the time, you shouldn't worry about it. So it just proves that carnivore diet is retarded, thank you.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine not eating a half a pound of meat and a pile of fruits and veggies four times a day

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    picky eaters that try to justify their childishness with pseudo science

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do all the vegetable shills come across like leftists trying to shame people into getting COVID jabs?

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the cause of this?
    It's an American thing. When your parents don't cook for shit and feed their child with industrial garbage you get a green-hater fatty.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao rabbit food

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