>Keto diet only works because you eat less carbs and so (probably) less calories. It's just CICO
>Keto diet works because after 2 days of no carbs your body enters a special "ketosis" mode where it burns fat at a super fast rate into something called ketones
Well, which is it?
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>Well, which is it?
Keto doesn't work
It does
t. Did it in 2012 and dropped 80lbs in 9 months
it "works" for me because it absolutely destroys my appetite
>destroys my appetite
and even if I did get hungry it eliminated cravings for sweets
Neither. You drop a bunch of water weight in the first two weeks, gawk at how you've "already lost 15 lbs" and then die at 41 of an aortal dissection because your blood has become 3% bacon fat by volume.
Ketosis is literally just cutting out carbs in favor of fat. It's been revealed recently that for years seed oil companies funded studies that blame poor health on fat. It's actually seed oils and sugar that frick you up. The simple carbs get turned into sugar. GMO US bread is supposed to be the absolute worst with the conversion into sugar.
>GMO US bread is supposed to be the absolute worst with the conversion into sugar.
So is the reason why IST spergs out about bread that the site is full of burgers who think bread means fluffy sweet white rectangles? I eat picrel every day and don't get what the fuss is about.
>sperging about seed oils, GMOs, and whatever else the ~~*Fitfluencers*~~ told you to replace with white-label supps that they dropship from Ecuador
sure, simple carbs should be kept to a minimum, but you don't have to be a fricking spazzoid about it.
why would they fund studies blaming poor health on fat when seed oil is fat
Seed oil is an oil, not a fat. Seed oil contains fatty acids, but is not a fat.
>Seed oil is an oil, not a fat. Seed oil contains fatty acids, but is not a fat.
do you ketotards ever shut up?
What animal does seed oil come from?
Oh, it doesn't come from an animal? Then it's an oil, dumbass.
What about fish oil you stupid frick
Calling something an oil does not make it an oil. Fish fat is still fat.
How is it not a fat when 100% of seed oil is fat? picrel
Literally nobody asked for this unrelated diatribe
both, you gay moron
you eat presumably less calories in the same weight of food + your body burns that same amount of food much less efficiently
also this
>and then die at 41 of an aortal dissection because your blood has become 3% bacon fat by volume
naw
The second one. The keto diet wouldn't require doctor supervision and lower seizures in epileptics if the science wasn't sound. Less calories doesn't suddenly stop seizures. But it is something dangerous when done right and doctors stress it must be done under a doctor's watch. The majority without a doctor's aid are probably doing it wrong and just eating fewer calories without the ketosis effect. Which is a good thing since it's dangerous. So be happy the tards eat less bread and think they are a keto champion.
Well ketosis is just the state in which your body produces specialized enzymes to allow your muscles and your brain to run off of fat. It also has the benefit of whenever you enter a caloric deficit you body can instantly start burning body fat. Here is the magic part of the Keto diet that people say breaks CICO. Your body can't turn ingested fat into body fat. It needs proteins and carbs to make body fat. So you can easily lose weight on Keto because any time your calories in is lower than calories out you will burn bodyfat and when calories in is higher that calories out you won't gain body fat back if the extra calories are fat. You still have to enter a calorie deficit at some point doing keto, but it stops your body from gaining fat if you go over your calories out. So there you go. It is just kind of a biohack to keep your body from creating body fat.
This sounds too good to be true. Is there any study on this?
Nta, but that is just how insulin works.
That‘s been known for decades.
Yeah dozens which is why it became a fad diet. You have to do the real keto diet designed to treat seizures and not the fake ones. You can't eat over 200 calories of carbs in a day or over 400 calories of protein.
>It also has the benefit of whenever you enter a caloric deficit you body can instantly start burning body fat
as apposed to non-keto where you don't burn body fat?
> Your body can't turn ingested fat into body fat
Yes it can.
>when calories in is higher that calories out you won't gain body fat back if the extra calories are fat
Haha oh my god you people are so stupid.
If you are that curious why don't you actually read about the diet instead of posting on a deer fetish forum?
I have. You're pulling shit out of your ass.
Millenial greentexts are insufferable. Just get to the point.
>Your body can't turn ingested fat into body fat
So what happens to it then? You just shit out sticks of butter? Where do you hear this shit?
How does the deficit stop you from burning muscle on keto?
Ketosis is a whole separate thing, although it’s not just about likely eating less calories. When I did keto I consumed on average about 3 grams of sugar a day versus the 50-70 grams a day I eat now. I’m active enough to the point where I feel fine eating all of that but most people just store that sugar and other carbs they eat as fat and usually feel terrible all the time as a result, hence why keto may help there.
>but most people just store that sugar and other carbs they eat as fat
Gary Taubes was proven wrong
By whom?
Everyone.
nice
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Eat 5000 calories of fat and some protein and get back to me on your weight loss
no uhm thats literally impossilbe because uhm
look, did you see the 'mongol diet' image i posted?
anyway only carbs make you fat
trust me bro the bacon wrapped butter is 100x healthier than a cheeky bit of rice with your eggs
How many grains of rice though to stay below maintenance when i don‘t know my tdee when cutting
at least 7
I once went from a regular diet to keto while maintaining the exact same calories.
Zero weight lost. But I had a noticeable decrease in appetite.
Any fat loss from keto is just CICO.
Deal with it.
All the studies seem to imply this.
Keto does save lives though... in pediatric epilepsy cases.
Shut the frick up. CICO is not a diet. CICO is the state of existing, you stupid frick. Of course every diet "is just CICO" because calories in, calories out is a definition of being alive. CICO isn't a diet and has no place in the discussion of diets. Keto attempts to manipulate the body to access stored fat, and when done properly, it works to reduce body fat more rapidly than any other method. So it isn't just CICO, you dumb fricking c**t.
Tell me more about this CICO diet, sound great, I might give it a try
>it works to reduce body fat more rapidly than any other method
[citation needed]
Ketones. Look them up, stupid Black person. It costs the body more energy to create ketones than glucose. It's why the default is glucose and creating ketones, which is identical to how your body reacts to fasting, is a last resort. Dumb motherfricker.
Expect nothing. If you don't have at least 3 months, don't do keto. The first month is just forcing your body to rely on ketones.
wiener in, wiener out.
But I'm on a CICO diet right now.
In my case the CI is lower than the CO and I am experiencing weight loss.
Why does that make you fly into an unhinged rage? Are you in some sort of ketosis of the brain?
ketosis is extremely beneficial for the brain, you dumb Black person
>But I'm on a CICO diet right now.
so is literally every living being on the planet
so agree its a diet.
Glad you're making progress.
Now, have you lost any weight?
Pedantic autist.
Are you fricking moronic? Ketosis is a real thing. If you keep carbs low, your body creates ketones instead of glucose for fuel. That's the gist of it. Do morons use keto as an excuse to eat 5k calories every day, mostly from fat? Yes. Fat morons are moronic. This is old news.
Keto works. It's controlled malnutrition and it does shred stored body fat at a deficit. It's not a healthy diet for anyone that moves around at all. It is not in any way an athletic diet.
Let's talk about CICO. CICO is not a diet. CICO describes being alive. Calories in and calories out is the description of being alive. You are alive, therefore you eat. You are alive, therefore you expend calories. Some ultra moron though that counting calories is its own special diet. It's not. Everyone is consuming and expending calories. Literally the whole living human, and animal, and anything else, population is participating in CICO right now. Stop calling it it's own diet plan, you fricking idiots.
>It is not in any way an athletic diet.
It can be for certain things. It is pretty common in endurance running. Also people use it in mma to train all day as it lowers inflammation and your energy levels stay constant. They do consume a bunch of carbs whenever they need to do anything high intensity or right before a fight. It just depends on whether you need a ton of explosive energy like weight lifting or if you need to just be doing something repetitive for hours like running or martial arts.
That's just cutting a lot of weight, so the point still stands. The standard practice of the UFC and most any MMA organization to have athletes cut 20-30lbs to make weight is fricking abhorrent.
>It is pretty common in endurance running.
Keto is the worst possible diet for endurance running. Endurance runners (actual long distances, 10+ miles, not a 3 mile jog) consume a shitload of calories on a run, well over 1000. They want a diet high in carbs, because their body is going to burn all of the carbs anyways and not bother storing them as fat.
thats plain wrong
>Keto works. It's controlled malnutrition and it does shred stored body fat at a deficit.
>shred stored body fat at a deficit.
>at a deficit.
>deficit.
so its CICO then.
Got it
It's a lot more effective than CICO because you're manipulating your body into accessing fat stores. Stop being so fricking moronic even when the information is spoonfed to you, you fricking moron. Keto comes with severe side effects, and for anyone except the most exceptionally large fatasses, it's a bad idea. The guy doing keto to go from 10% bf to 5% is a fricking moron.
What if you do it for like a week?
I'm glad I never fell for grifters so hard to as end up in your wretched mental state. You have delusions instead of a grasp of reality.
>ketone production is a grift
Oh wow, another moron, and on IST of all places.
You're too delusional to understand me.
Holy shit you spastic. People say "CICO" as a kind of shorthand, get over it. Do racoons sit down with a list and track everything they eat and weigh everything out while deciding what their macros should be for their goals? You probably need to get on some meds so you don't have a stroke getting this bent out of shape.
It can be difficult to find the truth, considering the field of nutrition is full of pesuedoscientists, however, learning the history of nutrition might make things clearer to you.
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ketosis is not a mystery it actually exists
fat people basically never enter ketosis and burn their own fat
thats why they're fat
>keto diet
>works
The funny thing about that...
Keto is real but CICO rules everything. The problem is when you throw obesity into the equation it fricks up everything completely. Obese people are actually living in a different endocrine system than normal humans.
Some of you dopes need to hear this:
The origin of the ketogenic diet comes from treating epilepsy. They discovered if you starved the brain of carbohydrates that seizures would stop. The calling card of this diet is that it starves the brain of a key nutrient and quiets brain activity. Is that something a healthy person wants to do? I say no.
your own body produces carbs, you moronic frick
the point is that ketosis produces ketones which are good for the brain
Looks like someone skipped basic biology class.
Sure, your liver can GLUCONEOGENESIS some glucose, but it's nowhere near enough to fuel your brain normally. Keto forces it to rely on KETONES, which are less efficient.
Brain on ketones? You think feeling tired and foggy is "good" for you?
Stick to reading flimsy bro science articles,
>ketones less efficient
>you thkipped biolofy clath
Cringe. You will always be moronic layne norton.
why are you so mad bro
There is no necessary carbohydrate.
keto diet makes you diabetic.
if it works for anybody it's because they're eating less.
Can't wait till bow tie wearing cucker he's gutted or a knife in his neck
WHO THE FRICK IS CORRECT IN THIS THREAD
I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW I SHOULD EAT DURING MY CUT
whole foods that aren't nutrient dense like broccoli and various berries and carrots
Ask your grandma
So if you are in a deficit on keto what's the difference? Why wouldn't the muscle break down as well as with other diets? I don't see what ketones fueling your brain have to do with this.
Mainly the first one, plus you loose water weight because of the no carbs
The way I understand it your fat burning efficiency is not a magical switch that goes from 8 to 80 instantly. When your body lacks carbs it releases hormones and chemicals and whatnot (I don't know the details) to start burning more and more fat. So there is merit in keto or fasting because you'll prolong the amount of time your body is burning fat with maximum efficiency.
What no one knows is how much of a difference this makes. It is clear that you can lose weight through sheer CICO. In my opinion keto is pointless. Fasting has its merit because it is easier to control your food intake.
>at a super fast rate
that doesnt happen
>fast for 36-48 hours
>piss on a ketone tester strip after like 16 hr
>in ketosis
>break fast
>eat a frick off big pizza
>still lost weight
>ketoschizos and anti keto homosexuals both seethe
i dont lift for women.
i dont lift to mog.
i dont lift for health.
i lift for seethe.
The word diet means "the set of foods you eat on a regular basis." CICO isn't a diet, it's a rule. No matter what your diet is (balanced, keto, vegetarian, vegan, etc.) you cannot burn more calories than you took in without some of those calories coming from your own energy stores. That's all CICO is.
Here's the truth when it comes to average westerners. People trying keto and actually sticking to it will lose weight even they never enter ketosis. It's that same thing with fasting. You may never actually achieve autophagy but you'll still lose weight. People doing CICO (tracking and counting calories) who are developing the skill/awareness of what they are actually eating will lose weight or gain weight easier depending on what their goals are. Keto and fasting will result in weight loss for the average westerner because so much of the diet consists of an excess of sugar and flour. That said though entering ketosis and and/or achieving periods of autophagy with a lot of movement over the day will burn turns and calories and fat. It all works but it's better to not fuss about it and get neurotic about whether or not you've achieved ketosis and autophagy. For fatties and people cutting it all works. An athlete that is happy with their BF% will do better eating some healthy carbs to train better.
Calories in calories out
You get more calories from healthy sources instead of grains