Keto dieters are the new vegans on steroids

They resemble a religious cult in the sense that they believe their diets can heal anyone from any type of illness and grant you superpowers. Advocates say we must go back to primal eating habits, for a diet comprising 70-80% fat, mostly saturated. However, this contradicts historical evidence from hunter-gatherer societies, which consumed an omnivorous diet and leaner cuts from wild game meat, unlike their recommendation of daily butter bars and bacon.

They blame carbohydrates as the root of all evil and ignore the fact that we're eating more calories than ever and that we went from doing a lot of physical activity to being inactive due to sedentary jobs and sedentary forms of entertainment.

Most of their gurus are snake-oil salesmen following the trend to make videos or wanting to sell you supplements like a panacea.

I have a sister and friend who got converted to keto dieting telling everyone how they will develop diabetes and die if they eat a bit of rice, which is ridiculous.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >historical evidence from hunter-gatherer societies, which consumed an omnivorous diet and leaner cuts from wild game meat
    thats wrong. or at least not representative of most of human evolutionary history as proven by stable isotope studies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the truth doesn't matter op will be back saying the same tomorrow

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >You know thing?
    >It's actualy literally the same as the other thing!
    Mind broken by video essays

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >contradicts historical evidence from hunter-gatherer societies, which consumed an omnivorous diet and leaner cuts from wild game meat
    False, shill thread. Humans always sought after fat, and when there was a lack of fat they supplemented the lack of fat with carbs. In an environment where there's an abundance of fat humans will eat a high fat diet. And of course the best kind of fat is saturated since it's the fat that's fed to mammals as babies and it's what we're made of, this should be obvious. Fat from toxic seeds aren't made to be consumed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fat is good for survival purposes due to its energy density. It’s great in the short term, but long term it starts to affect your health negatively. The endotoxins from bacteria in animal products slowly degrade the endothelial lining of the blood vessels, the immune system reacts to the toxins with inflammation, fats in the bloodstream start to stick to the damaged areas and create plaques.
      Also, there is evidence that saturated fat increases the permeability of the intestinal wall, allowing endotoxins from the natural bacteria in your gut to leak into the bloodstream and cause the same negative effects. It’s not the saturated fat or the cholesterol itself that’s the problem, it’s the endotoxins destroying the endothelial lining and causing inflammation which those fats will stick to.

      Our ancestors only lived till about 25, they didn’t live long enough to suffer the diseases associated with consuming animal products which occur much later in life.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        have some sauce on the saturated fats and endotoxin? I would've expected pufa to do that but not sfa.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's pure bullshit of course, a moron who can't understand how statistics works won't have anything worthwhile to say about the so called toxicity of saturated fat, the fat all mammals are fed as babies and that all mammals subsist off of and are made of. Black person LITERALLY spouts off the ancestors only lived till 25 line because it's a moronic shill who wants to imply the diet that people in the past ate wasn't actually healthy, lifespan was only so low because people died in infancy and of injury, they did not die of health related causes like we do now.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            are you an infant today?
            Do you chug on ur mums tiddies still?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I prefer to chug on your mom's tiddies

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I drink tons of raw milk, seethe shill. Something that's good for underdeveloped humans doesn't suddenly become toxic fully grown humans, and not amount of your shilling will be able to argue that fact. All mammals are fed as babies, are made of, and continue eating saturated fat, even herbivores.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                but my man, you are saying there's no truth to the claim that endotoxins from consuming excessive amounts of animal fats harm you in the long term, because you drank milk from ur mums tiddies at a time where you could only sleep, cry and shit your diapers. You think it's fair to compare the nutrients you consumed from that period of your life from that energy source(ur mum lmao hahaha) to today where you are actually capable of grabbing and chewing your own food because you have a fully developed set of teeth?
                Why do you think all mammals stop drinking milk eventually?

                Not saying milk is bad, but you are not exactly very bright when this is your best argument to disprove that only consuming animal saturated fats could have negative impact on your health.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The udders of every single mammal feeds it's vulnerable infant what it needs to grow and live, it is life itself, being that it is life itself it is very telling that god's nectar contains cholesterol and saturated fat. Yes it's a simpleton argument but simpletons don't fall for jooish psy ops like thinking chemically treated seed waste is good for you, or that plants that taste yucky are good for you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that's UR MUMS TIDDIES(lmao) not some animal you slayed, skinned and grilled. And you don't grow like a baby anymore either. Otherwise human would be 20ft tall
                >but simpletons don't fall for jooish psy ops like thinking chemically treated seed waste is good for you, or that plants that taste yucky are good for you.
                Ah yes, an American with American reading comprehension.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you talk like a Black person? Are you brown by any chance?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >being this new
                post birthday. That's probably why you are so obsessed over breast milk still lel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you talk like a newbie? Are you a zoomer by any chance?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >plants taste yucky
                This is the origin of carnivore meme. Fat manchildren with stunted palates because they were raised on goyslop by single mothers. My father in law is like this; fat his entire life, diabetic, appalling health and he hates vegetables and is unironically doing the carnivore meme because he can eat bacon and eggs and hamburger patties and pretend it's a healthy diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >This is the origin of carnivore meme.
                Well the evolution is as follows:
                Pathetic manchild with diet of sugar and meat. Manchild gets fat and hears somewhere sugar is not healthy. Cuts out sugar and goes on to ignore all negative aspects abouts their animal fats part of the diet because whole grains, vegetables and shit are yucky.
                I can guarantee you they all are salty about giving up sweets and now overcompensate with fried meat like the little pathetic children they are

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Plants are yucky because they're fricking toxic. You think you know better than the sense of taste which evolved over millions of years? 99.9% of plants on Earth are inedible and toxic to humans, other 0.1% are cultivated over many centuries and still require you to boil and season the shit out of them to be shovable down the gullet. 99% of animals are edible and delicious.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Plants are yucky because they're fricking toxic. You think you know better than the sense of taste which evolved over millions of years? 99.9% of plants on Earth are inedible and toxic to humans, other 0.1% are cultivated over many centuries and still require you to boil and season the shit out of them to be shovable down the gullet. 99% of animals are edible and delicious.
                No most meats actually taste like ass and dont act like you even eat anything outside of pig cow and chicken you pathetic child

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fish is also yucky to many people. Alot of people even find alot of meat cuts and innards yucky. Are they toxic? Are you fricking dumb as frick? Huuuh?!!?!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not aware of anyone who doesn't like fish and meat. Even vegans still want their greenslop to taste like burgers. Innards are supposed to be yucky because they are the most potentially pathogenic parts of the body.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not aware of anyone who doesn't like fish
                Disingenuous piece of shit. It's a common meme that people complain about not liking fish. That doesn't make fish unhealthy to consume.
                >and meat
                By which you mean beef, chicken and pork. i.e. species bred to be extremely palatable and mild tasting. Unlike you I sometimes eat wild game and offer it to others and they find the strong flavors unbearable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Plants are yucky
                Immediately wrong, thus rendering the rest of your argument pointless. People raised on whole foods enjoy vegetables. You were raised on processed food and are trying to project your broken development on others.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Eggs and ground beef are unironically some of the healthiest things you can eat. Idk about bacon but it tastes good

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the truth is she tells you not to eat any eggs so she can have them all to herself

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Vince Gironda died of a heart attack lmfao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >heart attack at 79
                No way! Musta been the eggs!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                meanwhile Ancel Keys lived to 100

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                he didnt follow his own advice. he knew the truth

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that's a complete cope, he spent his old age in Southern Italy eating fruits and vegetables

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                he ate meat or eggs every single day

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the diet that people in the past ate wasn't actually healthy
            Right because cavemen had no MRI machines and angiograms we should just assume their diet was perfect and they were disease free
            >some vegan insult
            I eat a ton of meat, but your logic and reasoning faulty

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but we can assume that our ooga booga ancestors ate right simply because they survived and passed their genes. Ooga booga that ate wrong either died from sickness or were too weak and got overpowered but stronger ooga boogas. 100k years ago humans actually faced challenges when it comes to survival so its reasonable to assume that correct choices were made if we're still here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >NTA but we can assume that our ooga booga ancestors ate right simply because they survived and passed their genes
                People have Ben passing on their genes forever. I guess twinkies and Starbucks mocha frappachinos are healthy. Didnt read the rest because of your faulty premise

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Modern people aren't facing any survival pressures. You're not responsible for getting your food, you're not in danger of succumbing to the elements, you're not facing threats of regular violence, you will be aided with medicine in case of sickness, you have quality of life technology and organizations that (at least in theory) shield you from self-destructive behavior regarding invisible world (molds, toxins, bacteria)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Modern people aren't facing any survival pressures
                Wow. Just wow.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, correction:
                modern western people.
                I don't care about some pajeets or africans

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The endotoxins from bacteria in animal products
        I was just thinking about how nobody ever talks about this as a prime cause of disease. Then your post appears.

        have some sauce on the saturated fats and endotoxin? I would've expected pufa to do that but not sfa.

        It's pure bullshit of course, a moron who can't understand how statistics works won't have anything worthwhile to say about the so called toxicity of saturated fat, the fat all mammals are fed as babies and that all mammals subsist off of and are made of. Black person LITERALLY spouts off the ancestors only lived till 25 line because it's a moronic shill who wants to imply the diet that people in the past ate wasn't actually healthy, lifespan was only so low because people died in infancy and of injury, they did not die of health related causes like we do now.

        You aren't eating ancestrally moron. The meat you eat is aged for weeks/months until it's fully putrified because it tastes better and is less tough.

        You can blame civilization but for goodness sakes why do you rely on civilization for everything when you obsess over your ancestors?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism and keto are caused by the same mental illness (orthorexia nervosa), but vegans are more dangerous because they hold institutional power, while ketards are just internet dwelling freaks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Veganism and keto are caused by the same mental illness (orthorexia nervosa), but vegans are more dangerous because they hold institutional power, while ketards are just internet dwelling freaks.
      Sums it up pretty well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you're anorexic because you don't eat goyslop or peasant feed!

      state of this place. if people are improving their metabolic health and becoming less dependent on "healthcare" then that's a good thing. Carnivore seems to achieve that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Carnivore seems to achieve that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Carnivore kinda achieves that “less dependent on healthcare” thing simply by repeatedly telling cultists to not trust science, doctors, medicine. Only trust the gay oiled muscle man on instagram selling you supplements. Literally telling the morons falling for it to ignore lab results. I wish to they’d truly go all-in on that, never seeking medical attention. Let the nature run its course.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          t. Triple vaxxed

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Crazy all these replies happened within just a few minutes of each other and from when this was posted. Totally not a shill thread or anything. IST‘s recent obsession with keto and other fad diets is totally organic and definitely not well poisoning.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >IST‘s recent obsession with keto
      Welcome to IST, now get the frick out

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >recent
        >last 4-5 years or so
        Roodypoo ive been here longer than your candy ass. Im just old enough to where a few years is recent

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've been here since 2011 and learned about keto from this very board that same year because of everyone shilling it here lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ive been here since 2009, i still remember the old lingo and word filters. I dont doubt it has surfaced here a few diets. Keto like all fad diets come and go. That being said it was about 4 or 5 years ago there was a sudden uptick in threads on keto, and vehement defenders of it. More recently over these past 2 years there have been multiple daily threads spammed with the same arguments, images, and articles posted on bothsides of the argument. Its not organic and its obviously a bunch of shills

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ive been here since 2009, i still remember the old lingo and word filters. I dont doubt it has surfaced here a few diets. Keto like all fad diets come and go. That being said it was about 4 or 5 years ago there was a sudden uptick in threads on keto, and vehement defenders of it. More recently over these past 2 years there have been multiple daily threads spammed with the same arguments, images, and articles posted on bothsides of the argument. Its not organic and its obviously a bunch of shills

            Oldgay here. Keto has been on IST fit a long time (I even did it myself a few times), but it was promoted as a short term cutting diet not a lifestyle/cult like it has been recently. The carnischizo thing is also new. By "new" I mean the last five years or so, before some uppity newbie doesn't get what new means.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Factos.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Totally not a shill thread or anything.
      qrd?
      wasnt there some anon that was also a redditor that kept shitting on keto?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Every keto, carnivore, or vegan thread is a shill thread. I believe they are all the same people with the goal of well poisoning fit in order prevent people from bettering themselves. There is no moxyte or keto schizo, just a bunch of gays who act in a coordinated effort to undermine peoples attempt at bettering themselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You took the vax, didn't you? Yes or no, I need to know whether to take your opinion seriously or not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >vax
        Im unvaxxed and way to use the same script you do in all threads shill.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s literally just normal people discussing diets and then 1 person spamming the ketoschizo meme in every thread. You literally can’t say that you had eggs for breakfast without him replying with that image.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >carbohydrates as the root of all evil
    refined carbohydrates and seed oils

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Any kind of carbohydrate is villified by keto shills

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're not going to nail keto eating a bunch of t bone steaks. The key is 80-20 fat - protein. 80-20. Peanut butter. Bacon. Sausage. Steak will shoot your blood sugar through the roof. Most people fail keto because they're not supplementing on salt/potassium and they're focusing on protein instead of fat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >80-20 fat - protein
      there are other variations
      >Steak will shoot your blood sugar through the roof
      this has to be a troll

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, you just haven't realized yet that MOST people are genuinely moronic. I truly do not understand how "people" like that actually function in real life.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My problem with ketotards is their assumption that humans only ate meat in the past when in reality, we ate whatever we could get our hands on that didn’t poison us.
    Wild forage like berries, herbs, tubers, cereals, roots and mushrooms played a key role in our diet. We did indeed hunt and fish but it was never our sole meal.
    Sure we didn’t eat as much grains pre-agri revolution as we did after, but it’s an outright lie to assume humans only ate meat and fat for most of their evolutionary history.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its not an assumption. stable isotope data show a consistent pattern of carnivory for tens of thousands of years up until after the late quaternary megafauna extinction

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fake and gay science

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah nah, I know what study you are talking about and most morons here like (You) fail to quantify research.
        Just because one paper concluded something, doesn't mean it's the only fact out there. There have been numerous other studies that proved many, if not most, hunter-gatherer societies before the agricultural revolution had a huge amount of non-animal food sources along with the game they hunted.

        We are omnivores because our diet can be 50% non-meat without literally dying unlike alot of predators.
        There are predators that are omnivores, most specifically bears, and dogs have been able to properly digest carbs within only a couple of millenniums living with humans.
        That is to say, we are certainly not herbivores, as can be seen with how malnourished vegans generally are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          We are obligate carnivores

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            lowest IQ post this year.
            If we were, we would literally die within a few months of a vegan diet. Look at cats.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Show the PROOF Black person

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >only areas of Europe where wild game was abundant at the time
            >latest data goes only back 40,000 years ago
            >there were only 17 communities and 242 people in the past
            >The comparative environmental sampling was small in some studies; hence a bias, such as the periodically high δ15N levels for the early Aurignacian identified by Bocherens et al. (2014), may skew many results toward a highly carnivorous diet.
            >δ15N rates were compared to 4 current societies(2 HG/peasant ones and 2 pastoral/carnivore ones), so it doesn't show how to what degree these carnivorous diets truly were
            OOPS!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What's the argument? You just pointed out some flaws found with isotope studies and offered nothing in exchange. If you didn't know already prehistoric bones of humans is rare and hard to come by, yet still somehow most bones found show evidence of carnivory.
              >>only areas of Europe where wild game was abundant at the time
              Post hands browncel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody is denying that humans ate alot of meat. The problem is carni/ketotards like (You) who firmly believe that humans were/are obligate carnivores in the past and that our gut microbiome has remained unchanged since homosexual Erectus.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't believe we are obligate carnivores, I think we are carnivorous and do better when we eat a lot of animal products, but I don't think it's "necessary". Most people still live relatively long lives eating goyschlop while other predators would drop dead from eating chocolate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who even gives frick what people ate a hundred thousand years ago? Are we trying to go back to life expectancy of 30s?. Yes early child death bla bla. Nothing is as moronic as the “return to nature” fallacy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd imagine most of our calories came from meat and fat as we didn't have means to ultraprocess the shit out of grains but ketolards are still moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ok go out in the wild and start eating random herbs and mushrooms, let’s see how that works for you
      Better yet try to feed a tribe of people with berries and cereals you foraged

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >eating wild mushrooms prior to the invention of cooking
      ACK!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not all mushrooms are portobello mushrooms you fricking smartass of a colossal homosexual

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >eating portobello mushrooms raw
          I guess you could say that our ancestors had an... explosive temperament

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only time anyone hears about this is when you post threads about it, you mentally ill fatso

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now that keto is mainstream will all the contrarians starting going vegan again?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      mainstream is still pushing vegetarian/vegan. either way why should i care. i feel good eating meat and eggs so thats what im gonna do

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        da mainstream pushes meat eating they're shilling the new double big mac right now

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i've never heard any health professionals or organizations recommending the double big mac. where have you seen this?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want to make a recurring thread about how sugar is being blamed for all the negative effects of PUFA, but I'm just so tired.

    here's a few links.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7598063/
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8626637/
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022316623130215
    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/7236r3t7
    there's an image that shows pufa consumption increasing with an exact 1:1 match with obesity and chd that would be a good image to use for it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's the same shit i am talking about in my post, we're consuming more calories and doing way less exercise, therefore we have obesity and weak cardiovascular system

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. It was always the seed oils.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Insulin obviously makes you fat, so you shouldn't just go ham on carbs, but yes PUFAs are terrible.
      I believe both carb/sugar and sneed oil consumption are the two main categories that have risen in consumption over the past 60ish years.
      Everything else has remained fairly stable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you still don't understand biology, and that's ok.
        here's a few snippets.

        >Insulin is important in the regulation of blood sugar, but its importance has been exaggerated because of the diabetes/insulin industry.

        >Insulin release is also stimulated by amino acids such as leucine, and insulin stimulates cells to absorb amino acids and to synthesize proteins. Since insulin lowers blood sugar as it disposes of amino acids, eating a large amount of protein without carbohydrate can cause a sharp decrease in blood sugar. This leads to the release of adrenalin and cortisol, which raise the blood sugar.

        >Starch and glucose efficiently stimulate insulin secretion, and that accelerates the disposition of glucose, activating its conversion to glycogen and fat, as well as its oxidation. Fructose inhibits the stimulation of insulin by glucose, so this means that eating ordinary sugar, sucrose (a disaccharide, consisting of glucose and fructose), in place of starch, will reduce the tendency to store fat. Eating “complex carbohydrates,” rather than sugars, is a reasonable way to promote obesity.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >eating a large amount of protein without carbohydrate can cause a sharp decrease in blood sugar.
          This is just patently false. YOU don't understand biology

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            easy carnitard. your cortisol is through the roof.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Its not. Cortisol only rises with severe hypoglycemia. My blood sugar is normal. Try again israelite boy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and how exactly do you think your blood sugar is being regulated without carbs?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sneed oils are just part of the equation. Asian nations have been consuming probably more seed oils per capita than the west and have far lower obesity rates.
      Not saying that seed oils are safe, because you should still avoid them due to their inflammatory and carcinogenic properties, and you should instead opt for animal fats and cold pressed oils like olive and coconut oil.

      People are fat nowadays because heavily processed foods have never been more available and cheaper than it is today.
      Besides, unlike before 50 years ago, people in mostly obese nations live much more sedentary lifestyles, and do not have as much time or money for hobbies on the sideline.
      It's actually mostly poorgays who are fat.
      Before, poorgays would just starve or till their own land. That is not the case anymore. Now they can eat McDonald's every day.

      Insulin obviously makes you fat, so you shouldn't just go ham on carbs, but yes PUFAs are terrible.
      I believe both carb/sugar and sneed oil consumption are the two main categories that have risen in consumption over the past 60ish years.
      Everything else has remained fairly stable.

      Basically this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Animal fats are more inflammatory and carcinogenic than plant oils. That's the reason why seed oil schizos never show comparative studies, not even once in their hour long youtube presentations, never.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They are probably more inflammatory than cold-pressed oils, but I can hardly say that they are more inflammatory than heavily processed oils that have been refined at +350°C

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They are. Processing means nothing to end result.

            Carnivore diet has the lowest inflammation levels of any diet other than fasting you moron

            It’s the most inflammatory diet possible. It has no antioxidants. That’s why everyone falling for it gets red rash skin.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You’re just making shit up at this point

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nope

                The antioxidants in plants are for the plants, plant compounds =/= animal compounds. For mammals cholesterol is our antioxidant, otherwise most things in plants are toxic and are just feed for the microbiome. Nothing in plants are actually bioavailable until the bacteria turn it into something that's useful for animals.

                You’re that kind of fella who spews so much total nonsense the only good argument you will believe is a bullet to your head. You’re completely mentally ill and deserve to die.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A completely mentally sane person who doesn't give a rebuttal but tells them to die, you need b12 administration asap, especially if you think that organisms (plants) which evolved toxins to ward off predatation and which makes anti-oxidants for themselves is in anyway useful for humans who didn't evolve to eat it, and is somehow not inflammatory.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re ignoring all evidence and spewing pure fiction as a fact. The only argument left is a bullet because you can’t be reasoned with because the only thing you believe is your own mentally ill fantasies. You have to die. I would gladly kill you. No hesitation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bro not him but you need help

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My aim is just fine, thanks, but you can be my spotter

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not ignoring any evidence since you're not offering any sort of argument or rebuttal, just repeatedly showing your deranged blood lust which everyone with a b12 deficiency develops.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re ignoring all evidence and spewing pure fiction as a fact. The only argument left is a bullet because you can’t be reasoned with because the only thing you believe is your own mentally ill fantasies. You have to die. I would gladly kill you. No hesitation.

                Based. So tired of schizo morons of various types spewing shit all over this board with unwarranted confidence and zero evidence.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The antioxidants in plants are for the plants, plant compounds =/= animal compounds. For mammals cholesterol is our antioxidant, otherwise most things in plants are toxic and are just feed for the microbiome. Nothing in plants are actually bioavailable until the bacteria turn it into something that's useful for animals.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're coming off as disingenuous. i can eat some plant compounds just fine and thrive, just like i can't eat some animal compounds without dying. and if you want an antioxidant, you'd probably want to take NAC for the boost to glutathione production (NAC being derived from plant compounds). as far as i know, dietary cholesterol is most important for rebuilding muscle after a good workout.

                Nope

                [...]
                You’re that kind of fella who spews so much total nonsense the only good argument you will believe is a bullet to your head. You’re completely mentally ill and deserve to die.

                You’re ignoring all evidence and spewing pure fiction as a fact. The only argument left is a bullet because you can’t be reasoned with because the only thing you believe is your own mentally ill fantasies. You have to die. I would gladly kill you. No hesitation.

                no need to go ballistic bud, this is a well known troll topic but we can just pretend they're playing devil's advocate amirite?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The antioxidants in plants are for the plants,
                The meat in animals is for the animals.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and i am an animal, so the meat is for me 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                True, and some animals are poisonous for a similar reason plants are, but other animals aren't because they evolved to run or fight. Otherwise "like" compounds are easier to assimilate. That's where the logic of eating an organ to heal an organ comes from.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Carnivore diet has the lowest inflammation levels of any diet other than fasting you moron

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I agree. Also, your body only converts a tiny percentage of carbs to body fat, most of the carbs your body doesn’t use just get converted to body heat, movement, or they are excreted. It’s almost impossible to be fat on a high carb-low fat diet. Your body hates having to store carbs as fat because the process isn’t very efficient. Dietary fat is the easiest energy source to convert to body fat.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keto does work for people who are fat as frick and should only be used in small amounts of time like 1 to 2 months. Also a lot of people eat just cheese and red meat when you should be getting fats from salmon,olive oil,avocado and oil, animals fats,eggs . I see a lot of people eating keto snacks and those are shit to

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keto with a high fat ratio makes me literally piss out of my ass 5 times a day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i come from an ulcerative colitis background, pissing blood out of my ass 17 times a day at my worst (literally near death(

      you are simply eating too fast, or too much fat, or both
      the ideal ratio of fat:protein is 35g of fat for every 100g of lean meat
      if the meat is already fatty (pork belly/beef short ribs/bacon/sausage), don't add additional fat

      my advice - would be to at first avoid leaning onto rendered fat (lard/tallow/straight oil), and instead opting in for fattier cuts of meat, OR fattier foods to adjust the fat:protein ratio

      i now have perfect digestion on a meat-salt-water diet, shitting a perfect sausage every 2-3 days

      literally saved my life

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It works tho. Maybe do it once in your life.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. To truly be a cult you need the moral aspect. Carnivore is just another diet fad

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I did carnivore for 6 months and immediately started shedding alot of hair.
    Now I have an nonreturnable hairline that was fine before. Thanks IST....

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dont like ketoBlack folk and the entire ketosis thing seems like a form of self-torture, but at least unlike vegan they're not
    - coming from a moronic ethical position
    - advocating for a diet that's clearly leading to malnutrition
    - walking around the streets bothers people with their gay ideology

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The whole “if you’re not ketoBlack person then you just be flaming gay vegan” is a moronic false dichotomy pushed by ketoBlack folk. Don’t fall for it.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone so fricking stupid these days meat is good and vegetables are good grains are good why limit yourself severely lacking in nuance

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that the world's strongest man is plant based
    CARB THE FRICK UP
    JUICE THOSE GREENS

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, you trapped their entire discord into one post today. Great job OP. Now document all of the keto pedos.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These threads are so tiring.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ketogays don't morally grandstand the way vegans do, so they're a lot more tolerable. They also don't tend to be passive aggressive little shits who can't go 10 seconds without trying to make someone feel bad for not accommodating their special needs diet well enough, or some other "wahhhh the planet" bullshit

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous__

    I don't care what my ancestors did unless it's the best. I want to live the best.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if you want to live the best youd eat how your ancestors ate. for the vast majority of human evolution thatd be hyper carnivory

      >NTA but we can assume that our ooga booga ancestors ate right simply because they survived and passed their genes
      People have Ben passing on their genes forever. I guess twinkies and Starbucks mocha frappachinos are healthy. Didnt read the rest because of your faulty premise

      if you ate twinkies and starbucks for 100,000 years youd get adapted to them. processed foods are less than a century old. no time for adaptation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous__

        >if you want to live the best youd eat how your ancestors ate. for the vast majority of human evolution thatd be hyper carnivory

        That might have been optimal in the old world but I don't think it's optimal in the new world. My evidence is the 50 years of admittedly low-precision work in nutritional epi. The big findings are that GI matters (a plus for carnivore), fat type matters (a negative for carnivore), and total calories matter most (a plus for carnivore). Carnivore might be an improvement for full time goysloppers but I see no benefit to it over my current med-style diet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if you ate twinkies and starbucks for 100,000 years youd get adapted to them. processed foods are less than a century old. no time for adaptation
        By your logic nothing is inherently healthy and cavement didnt eat healthy foods they jsuy adapted to what they had

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >anon discovers evolution

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just following your logic to its conclusion, showing you it debunks your own point

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you didnt debunk anything and thats not me. see this for why you misunderstand

              the point is whatever your species is adapted to eating is healthy. now the question is what are humans adapted to eating. i think its a hyper carnivorous diet but whatever your answer is to this question is is what you should eat for health

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever you say

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The frick are you talking about? Yes, healthy is a relative metric, namely it designates a kind of food that benefits the species the most at the moment. Perhaps in 1000 years people will evolve to subsist entirely on Black person cum, then Black person cum would become the healthiest food on Earth. But for now its meat, dairy, and fruit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nutrition ideology necesitates ignoring evolutionary logic because then these people would have to question why theyre eating so many nutritionless plants we cant digest

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous__

                Good luck with your evolutionary logic. I'm going to go with what works best empirically.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the point is whatever your species is adapted to eating is healthy. now the question is what are humans adapted to eating. i think its a hyper carnivorous diet but whatever your answer is to this question is is what you should eat for health

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the point is whatever your species is adapted to eating is healthy
            That's a circular and nebulous answer but I won't argue.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if you want to live the best youd eat how your ancestors ate. for the vast majority of human evolution thatd be hyper carnivory
        Wild animals are extremely lean, hyper carnivore is unfeasible. Additionally, I doubt they ate animals that were pumped full of hormones and ate corn and ꜱoy.
        >grass fed
        Your ancestors didnt keep cows locked In a warehouse and feed them compressed pellets of grass.
        >
        Yes really that's what it means

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >evidence from hunter-gatherer societies
    Yeah they ate a lot of meat, honey, and starches. Basically McDonald's macros.

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