ketobros, how are we going to recover from this?

is it over?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35704147/

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Our results show that pR5 mice fed with HFD are more vulnerable to diet induced obesity compared to WT, especially with increasing age. In addition, pR5 mice on HFD developed glucose intolerance and insulin resistance
    I guess mice shouldn't do keto

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      these were knockout mice with human genetic expression though; these results should replicate in human populations.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Interesting but never heard of anyone developing insulin resistance doing keto, it's the opposite happing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >these results should replicate in human populations.
        They don't. All the clinical trials show carbohydrates restriction is beneficial for cognition and insulin sensitivity.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it gave them beetus too 🙁

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >in MAPT P301L transgenic mice
    lel
    not getting the jab
    not gonna eat carbs

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guess Ill just eat the bugs then

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    can someone say hat that high fat diet looked like?
    probably like 40% carbs (onions) and 60% seedoils ...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah odd that they don't show the actual diet, as if "HFD" is a scientific term

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah odd that they don't show the actual diet, as if "HFD" is a scientific term

      Both groups (high fat and standard) were given, uh, feed. Some formula from a feed company. Doesn’t invalidate the study because the indigents are presumably roughly the same but in different ratios.
      > The nutritional parameters of the STD were protein 20.00%, total fat 4.80%, crude fiber 4.80%, acid detergent fiber 7.60%, neutral detergent fiber 16.40%, total carbohydrate 59.40%, digestible energy 14.0 MJ / Kg, % total calculated energy from protein 23.00%, % total calculated energy from lipids 12.00%. The nutritional parameters of the HFD were 22.60% protein, total fat 23.50%, crude fiber 5.40%, acid detergent fiber 5.40%, digestible energy 19 MJ / Kg, % total calculated digestible energy from protein 21.00%, % total calculated digestible energy from lipids 43.00%.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > HFD
        > 22% protein
        > 23% fat
        > 10% fiber
        doesnt add up to 100 ...
        are the rest 45% carbs then? If yes that makes it very invalid to say anything about fat consumption.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, not even a ketofag but this study seems flawed. 23% isn’t really a high fat diet unless the nutritional needs of mice are different from humans.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh it was definitely a seed oil diet.
      That is par for the course nowadays.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    same way i've recovered from 20 years of feeling like shit every other day
    fasting, animal based diet and lifting rock

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > meat
      Sure, great
      > dairy
      ???
      You think your hunter-gatherer ancestors were roaming around the forests and plains looking a beast teat to suckle?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > According to Caesar, the diet of the Germans was mainly based on milk, cheese, and meat, being they completely uninterested in the cultivation of the fields.

        ...
        > Tacitus then describes the foods of the Germans, pointing out that they are simple and quite plain: fruit from the field, fresh game, curdled milk. They are as much moderate in eating as they are excessive in drinking, writes the author.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ancestor is a nebulous term. i could say my ancestors once photosynthesized and not be proven wrong.
        so now, ask a real question that can be engaged with and not an inflammatory statement of opinion posed as a question.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > ask a real question that can be engaged with and not an inflammatory statement
          hee hee no :3

          >nooooo your ancestors have only been eating dairy for 4000 years
          >what about muh cavemen

          I mean ok but you could say the same exact thing about wheat lol

          >these results should replicate in human populations.
          They don't. All the clinical trials show carbohydrates restriction is beneficial for cognition and insulin sensitivity.

          like what

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >nooooo your ancestors have only been eating dairy for 4000 years
        >what about muh cavemen

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's weird because ever since I switched to low carb I now have almost no body fat and look like I have a pump all the time

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >shrinks brain

    Is that why ketolards are constantly enraged about people eating plants?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The high fat diet had 40% carbs.
    It's the carbs that caused the problems.
    That's why 99.999999% of obese people got fat eating carbs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why does he cry so fucking much?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stop it.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I went from 226 to 160 doing ketosis via heavy whipping cream, bacon, eggs (mistly yolks), veggies and fatty cheeses. I don't really give a shit about studies when I had such amazing results. It was after this that I handled my diet and introduced only slow burning carbs to create a recomp for bodybuilding. It wasn't easy but doing it every day for four months proved it helped me via bloodwork. High bad cholesterol but extremely higher good cholesterol.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really can't trust "experts" anymore it feels like. I will simply try it myself and see the results

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you are not wrong. results of a lot of recent studies could not be replicated.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >STUDIES SHOW-
    >EXPERTS SAY-
    >DOCTORS ADVISE-
    >RESEARCH SHOWS-
    Nah.

    "Studies showed" for 80+ years that fat was worse than sugar, and in fact that processed carbs were the key to a healthy lifestyle despite centuries of evidence to the contrary. Now we've got obesity and diabetes epidemics spanning multiple nations worldwide.
    Once the corruption was exposed, it took several decades on top of that to reach the mainstream. And now that it has, suddenly we're supposed to go back to "fat bad, processed carbs good".

    As for the study itself, every source but one studies the effects of obesity, which has historically always been linked with high grain consumption.
    In the one study about high-fat diets, they failed to explain which fats were being used. They could easily be using vegetable and seed oils, which is incredibly likely given their low cost. You'll also notice that the high-fat diet has a negligible difference in protein content despite introducing 177% as many calories. This not only supports the theory that seed/vegetable oils were used, but negates any fat-burning properties a higher protein percentage may have had.

    So no, I'm not buying it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Study shows _____ is bad
    >New study shows _____ is actually good!
    >Newer study shows _____ is bad after all...
    >Nevermind! Newest study shows ____ is good again!
    Every. Single. Time.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >keto
    >high fat
    eat meat you fucking proteinlet mongoloid

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