is it over?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35704147/
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ketobros, how are we going to recover from this?
is it over?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35704147/
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>Our results show that pR5 mice fed with HFD are more vulnerable to diet induced obesity compared to WT, especially with increasing age. In addition, pR5 mice on HFD developed glucose intolerance and insulin resistance
I guess mice shouldn't do keto
these were knockout mice with human genetic expression though; these results should replicate in human populations.
Interesting but never heard of anyone developing insulin resistance doing keto, it's the opposite happing
>these results should replicate in human populations.
They don't. All the clinical trials show carbohydrates restriction is beneficial for cognition and insulin sensitivity.
it gave them beetus too 🙁
>in MAPT P301L transgenic mice
lel
not getting the jab
not gonna eat carbs
Guess Ill just eat the bugs then
can someone say hat that high fat diet looked like?
probably like 40% carbs (onions) and 60% seedoils ...
Yeah odd that they don't show the actual diet, as if "HFD" is a scientific term
Both groups (high fat and standard) were given, uh, feed. Some formula from a feed company. Doesn’t invalidate the study because the indigents are presumably roughly the same but in different ratios.
> The nutritional parameters of the STD were protein 20.00%, total fat 4.80%, crude fiber 4.80%, acid detergent fiber 7.60%, neutral detergent fiber 16.40%, total carbohydrate 59.40%, digestible energy 14.0 MJ / Kg, % total calculated energy from protein 23.00%, % total calculated energy from lipids 12.00%. The nutritional parameters of the HFD were 22.60% protein, total fat 23.50%, crude fiber 5.40%, acid detergent fiber 5.40%, digestible energy 19 MJ / Kg, % total calculated digestible energy from protein 21.00%, % total calculated digestible energy from lipids 43.00%.
> HFD
> 22% protein
> 23% fat
> 10% fiber
doesnt add up to 100 ...
are the rest 45% carbs then? If yes that makes it very invalid to say anything about fat consumption.
Yeah, not even a ketogay but this study seems flawed. 23% isn’t really a high fat diet unless the nutritional needs of mice are different from humans.
Oh it was definitely a seed oil diet.
That is par for the course nowadays.
same way i've recovered from 20 years of feeling like shit every other day
fasting, animal based diet and lifting rock
> meat
Sure, great
> dairy
???
You think your hunter-gatherer ancestors were roaming around the forests and plains looking a beast teat to suckle?
> According to Caesar, the diet of the Germans was mainly based on milk, cheese, and meat, being they completely uninterested in the cultivation of the fields.
...
> Tacitus then describes the foods of the Germans, pointing out that they are simple and quite plain: fruit from the field, fresh game, curdled milk. They are as much moderate in eating as they are excessive in drinking, writes the author.
ancestor is a nebulous term. i could say my ancestors once photosynthesized and not be proven wrong.
so now, ask a real question that can be engaged with and not an inflammatory statement of opinion posed as a question.
> ask a real question that can be engaged with and not an inflammatory statement
hee hee no :3
I mean ok but you could say the same exact thing about wheat lol
like what
>nooooo your ancestors have only been eating dairy for 4000 years
>what about muh cavemen
That's weird because ever since I switched to low carb I now have almost no body fat and look like I have a pump all the time
>shrinks brain
Is that why ketolards are constantly enraged about people eating plants?
The high fat diet had 40% carbs.
It's the carbs that caused the problems.
That's why 99.999999% of obese people got fat eating carbs.
Why does he cry so fricking much?
Stop it.
I went from 226 to 160 doing ketosis via heavy whipping cream, bacon, eggs (mistly yolks), veggies and fatty cheeses. I don't really give a shit about studies when I had such amazing results. It was after this that I handled my diet and introduced only slow burning carbs to create a recomp for bodybuilding. It wasn't easy but doing it every day for four months proved it helped me via bloodwork. High bad cholesterol but extremely higher good cholesterol.
I really can't trust "experts" anymore it feels like. I will simply try it myself and see the results
you are not wrong. results of a lot of recent studies could not be replicated.
>STUDIES SHOW-
>EXPERTS SAY-
>DOCTORS ADVISE-
>RESEARCH SHOWS-
Nah.
"Studies showed" for 80+ years that fat was worse than sugar, and in fact that processed carbs were the key to a healthy lifestyle despite centuries of evidence to the contrary. Now we've got obesity and diabetes epidemics spanning multiple nations worldwide.
Once the corruption was exposed, it took several decades on top of that to reach the mainstream. And now that it has, suddenly we're supposed to go back to "fat bad, processed carbs good".
As for the study itself, every source but one studies the effects of obesity, which has historically always been linked with high grain consumption.
In the one study about high-fat diets, they failed to explain which fats were being used. They could easily be using vegetable and seed oils, which is incredibly likely given their low cost. You'll also notice that the high-fat diet has a negligible difference in protein content despite introducing 177% as many calories. This not only supports the theory that seed/vegetable oils were used, but negates any fat-burning properties a higher protein percentage may have had.
So no, I'm not buying it.
>Study shows _____ is bad
>New study shows _____ is actually good!
>Newer study shows _____ is bad after all...
>Nevermind! Newest study shows ____ is good again!
Every. Single. Time.
>keto
>high fat
eat meat you fricking proteinlet mongoloid