Just looked up the form in case I was missing something but no, I do them just like all the videos I found. How would one even do lateral raises wrong?
The only pain ive ever had from lateral raises is the elbow joint, the deltoids have always felt good doing them, pretty annoying i have to deal with elbow pain when doing them though
Why would you engage your traps, you're supposed to isolate the shoulders
Traps serve to rotate the scapula (shoulder blade). A slight upward rotation of the scapula would elevate the acromion and depending on one's individual anatomy this may be necessary to avoid impinging the rotator cuff. A bit of tension through the traps may also occur just as part of keeping the shoulder stable.
Traps are also responsible for elevation of the scapula but that's a different movement and if you're doing that then you're really cheating the lateral raise.
>spam lateral raises and ohp for years after benching >strength stalls, only developed delt head is front day >switch the excersise order, i leave bench for when my delts are cooked >do behind the neck press, sometimes supersetted with lateral raises after >then ohp and bench, then tricep isolation moves >go finally from 0.75pl8 to 1pl8 ohp >extreme shoulder pumps, no shoulder pain >now my side delts and even my rear delts are noticeable >i made in 1 month more delt progress than probably the last year, i've only been training for 2 years straight
I warm up with those creepy "shoulder dislocation" and arm twists, everything feels great. You should give it a try, the russian oly lifters surely were onto something here. It really depends on your shoulder mobility, but if you can put the bar in a high bar squat stance and push with no pain while placing the head forward you are good to go
bro that term/usage comes from the fighting game and MOBA community and is like 20 years old
did you think sam sulek coined it
I know it comes form video games. Why do you think I said "in real life" ffs. Normal people didn't start using that outside of video games until Sam came along and spread this autism. Next we are going to start using crowd control and aoe irl to refer to gym shit at this rate
>it's impossible to lift your arm, the entire purpose of the deltoid, without fricking up your shoulders
IST gets dumber every year, we need flags so I can filter the poos and sudacas at least.
Bend forward slightly at the hip and hold your arms at a slight angle in front of you. This will protect your shoulders and you'll still hit your delts hard.
Do partials at the end of lateral raises work for optimal growth? For example if I perform a set of 20, but at rep 16 I can't go all the way up, and I start doing those short range flapping motions but in a controlled fashion where I still feel the stretch on my side delts, will that boost gains?
sure
tiny dyel morons are going to spout nonsense like "junk volume", but these partials near failure are still translating into more gains than stopping the set altogether
just be careful to listen to your body and don't try to force reps AFTER failure, that's calling for a snap city ticket
>optimal growth?
No such thing. Either you're growing or you're not. Partials are fine if you want to do them. You can benefit from partials in all motions.
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is it better to use dumbells or cable for this exercice ?
Cables or a machine is better for it. Cables offer constant resistance throughout the motion. A dedicated machine can vary resistance appropriately for the muscle's strength curve. Dumbbells have 0 resistance at the bottom, 25% resistance at 15 degrees (plus the delts have poor leverage below 15 degrees), and you don't get to 50% resistance or more until 30 degrees. You don't get to full resistance until 90 degrees. If you only have dumbbells, what you can do is get an incline bench and do unilateral raises on about a 45 degree bench. This fixes the loading problem. That or stay above 30 degrees if you're using dumbbells.
regular lateral raises are shit they provide little tension on the shoulders for most of the range of motion and it reaches its peak at the top in a shortened position
Literally impossible to perform without activating my traps or lats. I feel my side delts working a little bit but no matter what weight or form I use, I can feel my traps and lats doing almost all the work.
Use low weight fat ego lifter
I barely use 10 lbs
Holy shit how long have you been doing these? I've only been lifting for like 4 months and I'm doing 27.5lbs
Youre doing them wrong
Your form is probably godawful then
Just looked up the form in case I was missing something but no, I do them just like all the videos I found. How would one even do lateral raises wrong?
Youre probably swinging them a lot. Do you feel them in your side delts or more in your traps? Buddy I use 12 kg and Ive got decent shoulders
Just double checked, definitely side delts way more than traps.
post delts, for science
Nah I'm still too fat to be posting body
Same, I use 9kg. Just started a few months ago as well and a big employee told me you don't need that much weight for this exercise.
You know 9kg is like, double what 10lbs is right?
I didn't know that.
The only pain ive ever had from lateral raises is the elbow joint, the deltoids have always felt good doing them, pretty annoying i have to deal with elbow pain when doing them though
I used to get shoulder pain, but that because I was focusing too much on not enganging my traps which made the movement very unnatural.
Why would you engage your traps, you're supposed to isolate the shoulders
The bulk of the movement is still on my shoulders, it's just that when raising your arm you traps also get activited slightly.
Traps serve to rotate the scapula (shoulder blade). A slight upward rotation of the scapula would elevate the acromion and depending on one's individual anatomy this may be necessary to avoid impinging the rotator cuff. A bit of tension through the traps may also occur just as part of keeping the shoulder stable.
Traps are also responsible for elevation of the scapula but that's a different movement and if you're doing that then you're really cheating the lateral raise.
Only to avoid this I joined a gym with a machine that attaches at the elbow
Single arm way better
use a cable moron
Do it with cables and try not to be a b***h
>spam lateral raises and ohp for years after benching
>strength stalls, only developed delt head is front day
>switch the excersise order, i leave bench for when my delts are cooked
>do behind the neck press, sometimes supersetted with lateral raises after
>then ohp and bench, then tricep isolation moves
>go finally from 0.75pl8 to 1pl8 ohp
>extreme shoulder pumps, no shoulder pain
>now my side delts and even my rear delts are noticeable
>i made in 1 month more delt progress than probably the last year, i've only been training for 2 years straight
I warm up with those creepy "shoulder dislocation" and arm twists, everything feels great. You should give it a try, the russian oly lifters surely were onto something here. It really depends on your shoulder mobility, but if you can put the bar in a high bar squat stance and push with no pain while placing the head forward you are good to go
>front day
Delt*
>spam
You are not Sam sulek stop using this word in real life
bro that term/usage comes from the fighting game and MOBA community and is like 20 years old
did you think sam sulek coined it
>Sam Sulek coined the term "spam"
Absolute room temperature IQ zoomer take.
I know it comes form video games. Why do you think I said "in real life" ffs. Normal people didn't start using that outside of video games until Sam came along and spread this autism. Next we are going to start using crowd control and aoe irl to refer to gym shit at this rate
you are accrediting too much influence to sam sulek you absolute moron
You are either young or live under a rock. It existed irl before Sam Sulek ever started juicing.
Fricking kids, I swear.
now take the red pill and drop bench altogether in favour of an aggressive, 50 minute long OHP routine
2-3 warm up sets
3 working sets
3 sets of press starts
3 sets of push press
4-5 high rep volume sets super setting with lu raises to finish
I've grown my OHP from 125 to 170 in about six months and my chest has never looked better
bench is a fricking meme
>it's impossible to lift your arm, the entire purpose of the deltoid, without fricking up your shoulders
IST gets dumber every year, we need flags so I can filter the poos and sudacas at least.
They helped me with my shoulder tendonitis. Are you sure you're not just a moron?
why do people even do lateral raises
just do wide grip pull ups moron
Anon kindly post shoulder
can someone explain why my shoulder kinda pops when i do them? it doesn't hurt at all it just feels weird, happens regardless of weight
cope
Never felt right for me until i started doing them seated and slightly leaning forward
Let me guess, you're keeping your arms straight and locked. moron. You're supposed to keep the arms as if you're about to bear hug someone.
>one arm only
>bend your elbow slightly
Fixed it for you moron
Bend forward slightly at the hip and hold your arms at a slight angle in front of you. This will protect your shoulders and you'll still hit your delts hard.
Natty achievable?
Lean forward
Palms out
Shoulders down
Lift with your elbow
Do partials at the end of lateral raises work for optimal growth? For example if I perform a set of 20, but at rep 16 I can't go all the way up, and I start doing those short range flapping motions but in a controlled fashion where I still feel the stretch on my side delts, will that boost gains?
sure
tiny dyel morons are going to spout nonsense like "junk volume", but these partials near failure are still translating into more gains than stopping the set altogether
just be careful to listen to your body and don't try to force reps AFTER failure, that's calling for a snap city ticket
>optimal growth?
No such thing. Either you're growing or you're not. Partials are fine if you want to do them. You can benefit from partials in all motions.
Cables or a machine is better for it. Cables offer constant resistance throughout the motion. A dedicated machine can vary resistance appropriately for the muscle's strength curve. Dumbbells have 0 resistance at the bottom, 25% resistance at 15 degrees (plus the delts have poor leverage below 15 degrees), and you don't get to 50% resistance or more until 30 degrees. You don't get to full resistance until 90 degrees. If you only have dumbbells, what you can do is get an incline bench and do unilateral raises on about a 45 degree bench. This fixes the loading problem. That or stay above 30 degrees if you're using dumbbells.
is it better to use dumbells or cable for this exercice ?
OP is a moron
>Fixes your shoulders.
I do them seated and it helps
regular lateral raises are shit they provide little tension on the shoulders for most of the range of motion and it reaches its peak at the top in a shortened position
That's the point, you fricking brownoid. Lift smaller weights.
Jfc, we need to rangeban all pajeets, SEABlack folk and spics.
Literally impossible to perform without activating my traps or lats. I feel my side delts working a little bit but no matter what weight or form I use, I can feel my traps and lats doing almost all the work.