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>Did you ever went from fatass to ripped?
Not ripped but I went from 240 to 175 in high school in 6 months.
I went from totally invisible to girls, to suddenly girls actually started talking to me and flirting with me.
Over the years my weight has gone up and down and every time it's down, the attention comes in from females, and every time I'm fat it disappears.
i have to say that these post are FAR more motivating that any FPH general.
FPH is just a ragebait containment thread. If you want to get mad at fatties, you go to FPH.
Keep in mind that getting lean is the deciding factor. If you weren't getting any action while fat, then you'll still have a hard time while lean.
Dating is very analogous to the interview process. Being lean, well groomed, ambitious with a good paying job and productive hobbies/friends is what gets you past the so called HR filters. The interview process begins when you start talking to her. At that point, she pretty much knows you're qualified for the job. Now you are just figuring out if the two of you will be able to work together productively long term.
*is not necessarily the deciding factor
It is an interesting theory. Would a complete autist be an incel if he had chad body?
Given the loose morals around sex in modern society, an autist with a great body/face/height could get laid as long as he keeps his mouth shut. The quality of women he would attract however would be very questionable, especially if he opens his mouth too much.
It's kind of like how you get these supremely qualified co-workers, but they are hell to work with and get fired very quickly because they lack all work ethic. Their resume checks out, but how they managed to keep a job for more than a week is a mystery.
Long story short: become the best version of yourself and "fluff your resume" with attractive qualifiers. Do this while casually talking to girls and asking them out to ractice your "soft skills" and get "experience".
This is bull dust. Nerds need to go all in on the dark triad/tetrad if you include sadism. Women are garbage and must be treated only slightly better. She’s looking for a Black person who has never been up Buck break mountain before. Acting like a pussy won’t win. Look at the bad boys? Wtd
6'2 pretty boy autist here. I can read social cues and recognize the most obvious of mires but can't follow up unless I'm buzzed or manic.
In a party/nightlife setting, drunken slags will figuratively and sometimes literally throw themselves at you. Second base is guaranteed if you just smile and keep your mouth shut. Going further requires some masking since good looks+autismo can give off Jeffrey Dahmer vibes and hoes would rather not get dismembered by a Sonic-obsessed cannibal.
"In real life", wom*n will show interest but if you never capitalize on it you can remain a virgin forever.
Online dating is easy modo though. A good deal of girls will be put off by your tism but an equal amount are horny BPD bawds who will gladly date rape you.
>hoes would rather not get dismembered by a Sonic-obsessed cannibal.
Incorrect. b***hes love getting serial murdered.
They love the threat/fantasy of it *but not by an autist*.
Depends how high his standards are. He would have sex or be a volcel.
this is actually true.
im 0,001% in attractiveness but i have no job, no friends, literally nothing.
if i would tell the true, they think im a serial killer.
post body
Make the most of it and be aware that most men will hate you.
See to it that you get money for the gym and go visit libraries.
FPH is just a thread about hating fat people. Its not just there for motivation. Its more of a warning. If you get triggered by it then you're probably fat. Stop it.
This has been my experience as well, went from fat-skinnyfat to almost underweight BMI skinnyfat and would not stop receiving compliments from women, some would sperg out flirting badly, others would just stare openly and follow me around with their eyes not breaking eye contact.
One of my friends stopped talking to me because his gf (now wife) would blatantly flirt with me and give me massages in front of him kek.
Sorry for the bragging but it serves to demonstrate how the feeling you get when going from invisible to shit like that is unbelievable, it's intoxicating.
A feeling i will never experience. Too late for me as i am 35 year old very boring kissless virgin. I will still try my best to get the best body i can but it is genuinely and unironically over for me.
I was almost 30 when I had these experiences, now 36 and had ups and downs, every time I got down enough stuff started looking better.
Due to life experience you should have realized by now that your current situation is not the default mode and things CAN get better if you're willing to become uncomfortable, the thing is that it's too much work to break the mold and it usually only happens with very strong determination or some life changing event causing an epiphany.
I'm typing all of the above to remind you that losing hope is counterproductive, do the work on your end as much as you can, start doing stuff that you know you must do without waiting for a specific milestone and everything will slowly fit into place.
I try to improve every day. I am now living in a foreign country language of which i barely speak, getting my vocational studies and with was the hardest thing i've ever done in my life. My lack of hope is based on a fact that i am autistic and probably retaded meaning if i have no clear instructions on how to do something i would never be able to do it. And with women there are no such instructions. But thank you anyway. I believe we're all gonna make it. In some way or another.
I went to Japan and living there while learning the language and I still managed to frick multiple girls.
If life is too hard then you are too weak
Take the calmpill. Just chill without any expectations or attempts to force things to happen. Life is very funny in general. Get your eyesight checked.
read the book of poke on the internet. its basically instructions. that aren't too extreme pickup artist shit.
Book of pook*
Stfu. I've been low bodyfat my entire life and in no way have women been openly flirting with my like that. And no I'm not ugly or a manlet.
Yeah no, you're just ugly and don't want to admit it, I am and was 1.70 when that shit was happening.
Now at 15kgs heavier again I no longer get that attention.
I've lost weight 3-4 times over the course of the last 10 years, I know the difference and it will happen again this year since I'm on a cut again.
>you're just ugly and don't want to admit it
Projection at it's finest. I guarantee I'm facially better looking than you
Not if per your own admission women never flirted with you like that.
And like I said I'm a manlet so that's another disadvantage on my end.
post faces
You are ugly or unapproachable, or don't interact with enough women.
>And no I'm not ugly
I have news for you
Are you me? Same boat pretty much brah.
Daily reminder that picrel was a mix between joke and social commentary in his time.
Now its more of a guide
>"call HR! Jim is being eaten by ants!!"
well, it's true. if you're hitting on someone and she likes it, it's cool, but if she doesn't like it, it's not cool. a guy should know good and well if he's welcome. that guy knows he's fat and ugly and she'd never go out with him, so by acting like he's got a shot when he doesn't even have rapport, he's being a sex pest.
the problem is hating women, which is gay. consider loving them instead
>She felt bad inside for a moment so its ok to threaten his job
You
Will
Never
Be
A
Wife
Very real
this never happens
then you skipped face day
Fine i'll go to the gym on my rest day.
This is true
The foid and milf gaze lingers on the lean, The face gains alone are a testament to the sub 15% bf SUPERIORITY
> more energy
is this true? I have found myself sleeping most of the time since I started to loose some weight. I don't believe it...
You'll be tire at first, but after a few weeks you'll feel alot better as long as your eating the right food (lots of protein). I found doing cardio for 30-60 mins at least 3 times a week gave me the best energy.
Frick I'm 17% right now. So close. Please let me into the 10-12% bf heaven, lean gods
>you have more energy
Nah while my strength improved the way down, my energy is much more worse when I was fatter.
>fury image
Opinion discarded, don't care if he is right.
This guy is not below average looking.
Women don't give a shit about tight pecs and a six pack when you're actually below average looking.
>zootopia pic
It's all LARPing anyway.
It doesn't work if you are short btw
T. 5'7"
Yes, if you're short you want to focus on getting as big as possible without looking like a fatass.
it most certainly does. I am 5'6". Been told I have 'movie star looks' especially when I am lean and grow my hair out, which is thick and curly. I get aggressively approached by women regularly, directly proportional to how lean I am.
I was completely invisible to women as a heavier guy. It is even worse for shorter guys because there's less area to distribute the fat, so it makes you look stumpier and like a big meatball. Being lean is the best thing a short guy can do for himself to improve his dating odds.
just have model looks bro im lean im still a virgin lmao guess im ugly plus short
You're not short enough for you're height to matter. You're a standard deviation below average and taller than most women. Yes you'll look noticable short next to 6ft+ men, but you're not a midget. Guys just say that as an excuse to stop trying.
Not my experience. Got no attention until I reached 6'0" 100kg 40" waist.
I very much think its location dependent.
MODS
MODS
YODS
Tough as nails and didn’t sustain for long. I recommend separate and consolidate from fat to normal and normal to shredded. Also shredded is probably not sustainable for most people
i went from 75kg to 50 kg when i was 19 (im 165cm, yes i know) and i started to get all the attention from girls that i didnt get on high school, even as a manlet, and managed to date some of the hottest girls i ever met.
nowadays im on my early 30's, way more muscular (currently 72kg at 12ish% bf), lost my hair due to stress (i went to medical school) and havent been able to have a stable relationship in years because as i got older and on better shape i started hating women more and more
>as i got older and on better shape i started hating women more and more
Specifically why? I mean, a lean muscular doctor probably has a lot more options than a lean teen shortgay.
You can take the incel out of inceldom, but you can never take the inceldom out of the incel.
having a nice career and making decent money (im not from the us so i dont make bank) and getting more attention from women just because of it made me realize how pragmatic and incapable of really loving and caring for their partners they really are, that and a couple of bad dating experiences, its just been kinda hard for me to truly accept the red pill (not saying in on the bitter and incel way)
i still do good on my dating life but i just cant really seem to form true bonds with my partners, always ending up resenting them and/or doing better without them
staying on IST certainly didnt help
I'm 5'7 and ugly and I met my 5'11 wife when I was unemployed living at home when I was 32 and she was 24. We got married had kids.
That's why I'm loyal AF to her but every financially stable chad I know cheats, because they know deep down if they lost their job or got fat shed not love him.
I’ve always met loyal women myself. Maybe the way you are choosing girls selects for pragmatic ones. Still the last girl I dated was so crazy I’m scared to date another one. I just want to stay single and bulk without distractions now.
Avoid putting your career or any evidence of your wealth obvious early on when dating. You can even go as far as asking your dates to split bills 50-50.
I'm 33, have half a million in assets, and make roughly 200k a year. This isn't to shit on other ISTners or humble brag, it's just what it is. Once you realize that how incredibly manipulative women are, even when they are at their best, you realize how SAD it is to be a women. You feel both pity and disgust for them.
But also anger. As soon as you realize that women give ZERO fricks about your feelings except to use them against you, you realize women asking for "emotionally available men" are only really asking for you to show them your weak points.
Because men have no idea what women want. They think that if they get a house, a nice car, and money, that women are suddenly going to want them. As a result, they spend their 20s prioritizing these things, get into their 30s and have a mid-life crisis that they're alone, don't have sex, and may never pass on their genes. So they lash out against women. Look at
for a perfect example.
Women want a guy who will elevate their status. Someone who they can take to parties and other girls will be jealous of how hot her boyfriend is. Someone who they can take pictures with and put on their social media to make others jealous. Women do not have hobbies or friends, so they want a guy that has lots of friends to hang out with and hobbies that they can tag along in.
Yeah, but there are also cat-type women that just want to frick, watch TV and do their own thing. Rarer but they exist. They still want you to be successful, stable but going out and impressing is not as important.
>women go chase the cool guys for years
>cool guys start ignoring them due to age
>they end up in their thirdies and possibly as single mothers, increasingly so
>this is somehow the fault of the quiet guys who just want stable life
lol ok
Self respect anon. Like the guy is a doctor, think about it. He worked his ass off. None of these women were there when he was in the gutter. They only want to share in it when he has it all.
That said, anon probably needs to take a bit of hopium somewhere. At some point you can't do anything but hope that you'll run into one of those unicorns out there.
I get what you're saying but it sounds weird that you're almost implying that getting a house/car/money have nothing to do with status. In a capitalist society wealth is like the primary signifier of status. Like yeah there's physical beauty and social skills too, but both are also at least partially associated with wealth.
Money can be used as a tool to elevate status, but it in no way gets you status.
A loser who drives a nice car is still seen by women as a loser.
Rich losers are poison to women because they have to constantly defend against attacks of "you're only with him because he's rich".
If that guy wasn't such a fricking moron he could have slayed so much ass. Legit was a good looking guy. Makes me wonder how many of you incels could get laid easily if weren't so autistic.
>mixed race abomination
>never played sports, never worked on his body
>"good looking"
This is almost as bad of a take as the guy who called Chris Pratt a 5/10 because he was slightly overweight
>as i got older and on better shape i started hating women more and more
Can absolutely confirm this feel
Lmao, imagine being cuckqueened by an inanimate object. Should've just started taking anavar
60 lbs of pussy and ass!!!
Horrifying
You might not like it, but that's what peak platforms looks like
w2c?
I don’t want to hate women. I really don’t. But that woman is selfish with a dusty vegana.
doll boobs
Not even defending the woman here, but I can guarantee the leddit dude is out of shape and does not take care of himself at all. The entire story paints the picture perfectly.
The girl probably is fat and ugly too.
Yeah, I’ve been with a gf I lost interest in fricking. It’s tough to soldier through the act when you don’t want it. In my case my gf was so controlling and neurotic that I lost desire for her. I get off on dominating. We broke up shortly thereafter, unsurprisingly. Anyway, if you let yourself go it’s not really the woman’s fault.
When a woman stops having sex in a marriage, she has abandoned her ONE job in the marriage.
SIT ON THE EGG YOU STUPID b***h
Cheating on her would've been cheaper. Imagine not cheating on a foid in current year when she's most likely been ran through and can and will replace you on a whim
>Cheating on her would've been cheaper.
i imagine the guy is a software engineer/laywer or some equivalent where he can't be seen going to hotels regularly with escorts since it would lower his standing in the community.
a sex doll does make more sense for ppl like that.
It's all about control. She obviously hates her husband and barely tolerates him, but the moment she is on the receiving side of the emotional abuse, she gets defensive and plays the victim.
Typical women moment.
Should be grounds for an annulment if the woman stops wanting sex. Whatever about if she was frigid from the get go, but pulling that bait and switch is fricking c**tish. Obviously this doesn't apply if the man has gotten disgusting in the meantime (fat and/or ugly)
You can divorce anytime you want. She'll just take half no matter the reason.
>because as i got older and on better shape i started hating women more and more
your hormones are out of whack
When I was +20%bf, the best I could muster up were crazy women hopped up on all sorts of israelite meds and birth control. And even then, it was like trying to shoot a goldfish in a barrel.
When I got down under 15%bf, all the doors started to open up. Virtually any girl I wanted, I could get with some water cooler conversation and light banter.
Getting lean is nature's facelift, couldn't recommend it enough.
>buh buh muh lifts!
Girls do not care that you can pick up 500lbs.
Could the Leanpill cure me
181cm
Brother.
You desperately need to start working out and eating right.
Start drinking raw milk, cut out all fast foods/highly processed foods, and remove all sources of microplastics.
Stay disciplined and you'll make it.
The saddest part? you arent even fat, but it seems that going from average to lean makes ALL the difference.
He's definitely fat, it's in his chest and lower stomach. I guarantee you in his lower back too.
For mutts that is average. i would call it chubby.
I’m not a mutt I’m literally English and welsh
I’m chubby not fat
>I’m chubby not fat
put the fork down and take a jog fatso
T. Seething Manlet
So you're mixed race, lower your voice
Your body is borderline revolting. Please lose weight and report back when you're sub 15%
Ac7?
Yes.
Put the fork down and take a jog fatso.
Yes.
go back to LULZ
You look like one of those wood elves from Oblivion
Jesus Christ, you look like a goblin
Is that you mike, its me Joe. From the band with the aliens
>all these comments and not a single mention of pear
fit is full of summergays already
No but estrogen might with that build.
Damn, are you dumbasses really realizing that being attractive makes you trested better? The standard for men hasn't changed in 4000 years.
If this is a lion this guy must be massive.
Based cat killing giant. I’m going to get some cat traps and see how many ways to skin one. Nah, I’ll just drown it and put it in the trash where all cats belong
Make sure to do it today, you have school tomorrow
Have fun in your sand bunker you “special “ arab.
Me when my cat is trying to chew on my fishing line.
mid.
Being lean feels good. I feel better looking at myself in the mirror and I feel better not having folds of fat jiggle around when I walk.
Daily reminder that "le hecking genes" doesnt mean shit if you are fat
>omg this naturally broad shouldered, big framed guy could have been even more attractive if he lost weight
Nice
Bro he's a 5/10 at best on the left
I’m saying your argument about genes doesn’t work because CP always had big frame and decent mass despite being a lardo
Someone like
will always look like shit even if he got to 10%
I do agree with you having poor genetics is no excuse, he does look better
He's probably 25% bf, the disgusting pear body would likely disappear if he got down to 10% bf
5/10 but 10/10 genetics
an indian guy could have the body on the right and women would still pick the guy on the left
Are you better or worse more lean and muscular?
I see so much wasted potential in others and myself bros. All the time.
never been fat
Verification more stringent than usual
Does the leanpill work if you're under 6ft?
Bumping. I want to know.
There’s research that shows having an attractive body makes up for short height in how women rate attractiveness for the most part. The hard part is having an attractive body. Women aren’t necessarily attracted to what men consider attractive.
What a gay ass collage.
Ok fat Black person
cringe
based
This is about the cringiest thing I've seen today.
Strangely unsettling picture.
I was thinking earlier that perspective is strange. It’s almost as if they’re not in the same image.
The shorter you are the less bulk mass you should have. Having great proportion is key. Ten years ago some really aesthetic guys roughly 5’7” and under were posting on here that would make great examples. It’s too bad the manlet meme got so out of hand.
Let it be known, having no muscle at all in addition to having no fat makes you skinny, not lean. Being lean still requires having muscle. You’re in skinny fat mode. Exit skinnyfat mode accordingly asap
>I was thinking earlier that perspective is strange. It’s almost as if they’re not in the same image.
Z-axis placement can lead to strange images
Is that what it is? He looks like he’s laying down with a top down shot and she looks like she’s sitting up with the camera pointed from the same level as her. Either he’s hovering in the air or she’s laying down. My tism is flaring
Well sometimes the image is just strange.
Being lean allowed me to brim with confidence because I was a fatass my whole teenage life. I don’t care I’m a DYEL
It’s allowed me to fulfil my older woman fetish
lean pill is real. some of the comments I get from girls in private is absolutely insane. didn't help with long term love but short term appreciation and being idolized makes my ego soar.
Leanpill is real but you can really appreciate it at the spa/beach where you are uncovered, otherwise it's only the facegains that are noticable when clothed.
Dunno where you live but in Australia I go shirtless every chance I get and the only hate I get is from fat boomers who say out the corner of their mouth I need to eat more
I only get 2 good summer months, so there's that
Where exactly in Finland are you?
I've never had sex. I don't think I ever will. All the progress I've made means nothing until I apparently breach some leaness threshold. It's hard to keep motivated with zero positive reinforcement. What do i even get if i do actually meet my goals? My body certainly isn't helping, but i doubt its the only reason women seem to just generally dislike me even in nonromantic contexts. How do you guys do it?
> All the progress I've made means nothing until I apparently breach some leaness threshold.
That’s not true, building muscle and losing fat are both critical. Building muscle is actually the harder and slower process. If you have some muscle mass, you can be lean in 3-6 months depending on how fat you’re starting from.
>zero positive reinforcement.
The positive reinforcement is strength gains if you’re bulking and the mirror if you’re cutting.
> women seem to just generally dislike me even in nonromantic contexts
Guarantee this is a skewed perception of reality. Women probably aren’t thinking about you at worst. Anyway, don’t over think things, attracting women is 90% appearance.
i'm gen x and never had a problem sex wise. relationship wise I suck. just a lifelong series of relationships for 2 to 5 years with no breaks in between. I'm also pretty large. like 250 now but i've been more and less. peak attention is like 185 though. I am however hilarious and make occasional sexual comments. but i'm really funny. so try being fricking hilarious.
Im 97 kg 187 cm all fat no mussel. I was on fit more than a decade ago and through convict conditioning, SS (skateboard squats) and zyzz threads I first dropped to 68 kg skeleton and lean bulked to 75ish. Yes, visible abs is the cheat code everyone makes it out to be. Well I let myself go completely. Can I just fast and drop 25kg safely? (0 cals per day)
Been skinny most of my life, started working out like a year ago and I look like this now
I don't notice any difference, still no gf but I don't really know how to
No confidence
Nothing turns a girl off like autism
>like autism
guilty as charged
I'm 6'1"
>I'm 6'1"
>ripped
anon whats wrong with you, you are playing on easy mode
I have asperger syndrome and barely ever leave my house
>asperger syndrome
drop this shit anon, just dont show anybody that you are nervous and power through the human interaction. Fake is as much as possible
>just do the things that your defective brain wiring prevents you from doing
Genius idea, anon!
My defective brain wiring wants cake and beer 24/7 and somehow I manage without
Yes, anon, that is exactly the same thing as being unable to develop social intuition.
I've been going out for years and I never got past a first date, but sure bro, I should just sOciAliZe mOrE
What the frick are you talking about? Most people treat me like shit despite me doing nothing to them simply because they smell the autism.
Anon is right, you're being moronic. Literally fake it until you make it. You may yet be able to wash away the stench of autism. It's usually down to simple gestures such as eye contact or failure to introduce oneself properly. Living under the illusion that you can't fix this will result in it never being fixed
You're now thinking about the results, in a world inside your mind, where people are massively more skilled at being people than they actually are.
Get out and get those interactions. Be awkward as frick. Just do not assault anybody, don't make a scene, and you'll be better than the average bear already.
Don't focus on those top tier suave guys, better than average is already a good result.
Unironically ngmi. Your pride precludes you from seeing a simple answer because in your hubris you believe you are such a special boy that you alone warrant a complicated solution.
It's not like I don't know how to talk to people or anything, I'm very awkward, yes, but I keep hearing that I'm a very kind and pleasing person to be around and that I'm a "stand up guy". It's just that it doesn't interest me enough to justify the effort I have to put in. I only want a gf I can hang out with and have sex with now and then, but I don't want to do all this other relationships stuff like traveling places and going to social gatherings with her family.
I actually was in a ldr with a girl for a while and she was very clingy and obsessed but really nice, but since I never bothered to actually go and meet her she dropped me. Didn't block me though so maybe she's still having hopes, she has to come to me though
> but I keep hearing that I'm a very kind and pleasing person to be around and that I'm a "stand up guy"
This is code for ”I want nothing to do with you, I’m turning you down gently right now ”
No, it's the my boss and family members that say this because I help them with stuff whenever they need it, not women
You need to go /fitlit/ and read it up.
And I don't mean the garbage that gets published nowadays. Real books.
Once you give your brain a few thousand pages of the human condition to parse through, your autism will kick in and figure it out.
Can you recommend me some books? I don’t know what you mean by real books.
last i frequented it, IST had pretty fine taste
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ
stay away from the meme IST recommendations to start off with, just try an acclaimed novel written at least 100 years ago
>I don't leave my house
>why doesn't a 19 year old Gisele Bundchen walk up to my room and beg me to frick her
Ugliness wouldnt even account for that, you must be very short. This is the mode where girls start rubbing their genitalia on you with little to no prior conversation...
You have a hideously deformed face. Even a manlet would get some play with that dicky-slayer fizeek. The only other answer is that you literally never leave your home to interact with females and so have to opportunities to get mired.
My face is fine, I have hollow cheeks and a nice jawline. But you're right about not interacting a lot, I don't drink or anything like that, don't have any social hobbies either, plus I live in a rural area so there's not much to really do or people to meet. I can't just open tinder and find hundreds of girls in my area
Any coffee shops or bookstores you could hang out in then? I know it's kind of dogshit advice, but it's all I've got for you. Sorry.
You forgot perfect, pure Sana.
Move homie
>koikatsu model
>renpy
>low resolution background
Hmmmmm
Am I 'lean' yet? Been cutting since October 2023. Still have 2-3kgs to lose if I am not wrong. I just want a completely flat stomach like this guy
That is lean but not ripped.
Ok anon, what is ripped by natty standards? Sub 10%bf?
i dont have shirtless pics of men on my pc. You arent fat at all, you just need to add muscle anon.
Okay, thank you sir. Planning to start lean bulking again in June.
No, when you're lean you won't have to ask either. You'll probably want more mass as well
Okay anon, I will first starve myself even more till I am satisfied with my bodyfat. After that, I will focus entirely on gaining lean mass.
How the frick do you cut for 6 months
Wdym, anon? Are you talking about the 'having the willpower to cut for 6 months' aspect, or are you implying that I cut too slow? Because I started around 23-25% bf and have been steadily losing 2kgs per month.
2kgs per month is a fairly sustainable rate of weight loss.
Take a shirtless pic and hop on Tinder. If you’re not exposed to women socially they’re not just going to initiate with you the vast majority of the time even if they’re into you.
Of course there's no difference. Lifting will never fix your personality, no matter what the morons here say.
Let's see your teeth
Looking great - hope your head matches your body.
Btw,
the personality talk is garbage. Women do not care for your personality as they want to guide the man socially - the less he talks the better.
A good friend of mine, who was 195cm tall, was a turbo-sperg(would get panic attacks when next to people especially women all day) and he immediately found a girl friend when going to Bars. All the chicks, especially the hot and short ones, would come up to him and ask "why are you so tall?".
Never believe any personality / game bullshit. When you're in a relationship the woman wants - sex, security, comfort(and some guidance) from her male. Talking is mostly reserved for her girlfriends.
LARP story
He's right though,
I can only tell what I saw with my own eyes. Back then I believed all the shit your parents, media and other fools tell you about attraction and "love".
Another example was the first time we went out as young males in the mid 90ies. We were at a party and he immediately got the attention from one of the best looking gals in town(which family I knew and often visited). after having caught a glimpse of him she quickly broke the ice, took his cap and put it on her head. She also would just stand at his side and walk where he walked - his frame, height and face was enough to pull nearly any woman.
that story is as believable as the shit women post on reddit
Reality is a bitter pill.
The thing you're underestimating is when women make their stupid videos they really mean what they say - no matter how outrageous.
Another buddy of mine who got to pull on and off was pretty short(5'4") but he had a very good face and was a physical specimen - kinda looked like a ape / gymnast blend without much training.
Nonetheless he often got shot down hard by many women who laughed at his height. One time when we were ought the redhead he lusted after got really drunk and when he tried to get into her pants she refused and said "because you're too short". Needless to say - he melted down hard after those words.
are you european? americans can get female attention just from getting fit cause theyre all fat fricks and cant comprehend countries with mostly fit peope
Yes, most people here are relatively fit and tall so I don't feel very special
You have to talk to them and be confident that they want to talk to you. Simple as.
>talking
>to women
ew, no
very overrated. Went from 85kg ish down to a low of 73kg at 8% body fat and all I got was chronic fatigue, shit sleep, no sex drive and constipation. Sure I was "ripped" but being lean means you're quite small as well.
Good experience to see how lean it can get, but frick I can't iamgine how body builders can suffer 100x more than I did to do their shows.
I went to 10% ripped with abs. Biggest thing I noticed is that my face became very lean and youthful. Yes girls did like me more, smiled at me, talked to me etc, a few girls gave me their numbers
It depends on who you're talking to. For some of you fat fricks 12% body fat is the starvation induced lean pill and it will make a huge difference if you can take it. For some of you skinny fricks 12% body fat is the dreamer perma bulk pill and it will make a huge difference if you can take it.
Real.
Went from 67kg to 54kg low bodyfat. I don't have much muscle and I am 1.62cm/5"4 and still.
Still I went from invisible to quite a bit of attention. Women are interested in talking to you, you get stares, lot of smiling, even friend's gfs flirting (which is not acceptable to me). Gays approaching (I understand I give mixed vibes even though not gay). Employees attending public their face changes when you show up. Etc.
>54kg
Is being the same weight as a child the reason that you're attracted to hentai children? Seriously, what is with the weebs being attracted to children like pic rel?
You gotta cycle leanness to achieve shit and then get back to a higher BF
For example, i landed my wife when i was in my lean phase, now i can maintain a comfy 15% bf
Being lean year round as a natty is shit you cant eat a lot of food and you don't really get big unless you hop on gear
Get there and you'll find out these threads are mostly fatasses fantasizing about how their life will turn around when their 30+ year old ass gets to 12% and they get "discovered" or various delusions of grandeur stupid people tend to have. Biggest differnce it's made in my life is 60 is no longer a comfortable room temp.
You're ugly anon
Sometimes I wish I was, my failings are completely my own and I have to live with that.
No, you're either ugly, were never fat, you're lying or you have cut off yourself and have 0 social circles so you're not getting any external feedback.
You're trying to discredit others' experiences on something that has been shown to completely change how people perceive them while using blackpillhomosexualry.
No one said that the moment you get to 12% EVERYONE wants to frick you, but going from no one making an effort to talk to you to having even some women approach you themselves is night and day.
>more fantasies
I'm not saying don't lose weight or that it's pointless I'm just saying it's not magic or truly transformative unless you're disgustingly overweight. Being able to play the game is a differnt skill set with its own requisite investment. Ignoring important areas of life to focus on vanity is self-sabotaging.
>Ignoring important areas of life to focus on vanity is self-sabotaging.
Meh. Extreme focus on looks is one thing social media obsessed zoomers got right - if you’re chad thunderwiener it’s hard to fail, if you look like a baboon’s ass it’s almost impossible to succeed no matter what. This very much applies to anything that isn’t done fully remote
t. former fatty who went from nightmare difficulty to medium difficulty
I was builtfat since my teen years, never cut, always trained for strength.
And there was always at least a girl that would like that, in my social groups.
It might be a dominance thing, like height. "My boyfriend can kill your boyfriend" sorta stuff.
Silly girls, they don't know I can ohp their lean boyfriend, but I can't fight for shit.
Yeah over the last 5 years I've lost a shitload of weight and getting closer to my goal body. Still want to get leaner but happy with my progress.
Looking strong, anon. But that's probably what women would describe "not too muscular dadbod" kek
Looking great - lean enough.
This was in 2020 when I was 28. I’m 31 boomer right now and I’ve fell off pretty hard and the difference is night and day. From drowning in pussy to now being 17% orge aging like shit no pussy even looks in my direction. Even my bpd ex who was obsessed with me now just moved on. Over
Here’s what I look now for reference
>6-12 weeks of cutting is too hard now im 31 wahhhhhhhhhhh
There are 40+ year old men posting on here who didn't start lifting until they were 40 and got into great shape. Stop looking for excuses and get back on your bike. Frick a 36 year old just defended his belt in the UFC vs someone 4 years his junior, with your mentality he would be practically dead.
This is not 17% lol.
How much is it then?
20%
I think at least 20%, but it's difficult without a clear picture of your hips, men carry crazy amounts of fat on the hips.
you're not even that fat but it does look like you never exercise.
You got a normal body now, but you lack a bit of mass.
>always had gyno
oh nononono`
For some reason when cold water hits me my nipples get small af, bored to post another pic tbh
>6-12 weeks cut
Things are not the same. I don’t have the same tier pussy I had back in 2020. Literally no motivation for a cut. I always go a week clean then stress eat
>landed a very stressful job
>sister became a single mom
>parents getting old
>blackpilled from IST
I’m sure you are younger than me, in 2020 I felt unbreakable.
Actually I still love her, I was the one breaking up and she was trying to contact me through emails for 3 months straight. Yeah it was rough. Now I’m dating a 30 year old virgin girl but things are not the same
I'm 33. I was 250lbs when I turned 30 and could only bench pres 50kg for 1. At 33 i'm 170lbs and can bench press 100kg for 5. It's only over if you give up on yourself. You haven't really let yourself go either. It's a simple, easy fix if you want your body back.
>inb4 my lifts suck blah blah blah
yeah but im the best version of myself that I can be right now. I'll continue plugging away.
>For some reason when cold water hits me my nipples get small af
Jesus christ, what a moron.
>Even my bpd ex who was obsessed with me now just moved on
that's because bpd women only give you attention when you have something that can give them a temporary sense of pleasure and validation in their otherwise miserable lives. The moment you can't do that they see you as nothing more than a piece of trash on the sidewalk
I'm sorry you had to go through that
>Less than 15 pounds its the difference between chad and invisible average joe
Holy moly, my dude. Get your shit together. Funny is that you were that lean at the time the whole fricking planet was locked and eating Cheetos 24/7.
Thanks for the motivation bros, hope I will make it
get to work bro wagmi
Would.
Wouldn't.
You got some weird ass nipples anon
Im a 5'8 kinda muscular fatass.
On average how much should i weight to enter lean heaven bros?
65kg
my dick alone weights half of that anon
Aim for 65kgs, you're probably less muscular than you think and at that height you might still have some body fat let in your lower stomach and back when you reach it.
im 5'9 and i notice 190 is a good weight for me to be jacked at but i could probably be as much as 200. you could just get skinny and lean but id rather have physicality as well
i weight 188 at 5'8 and i am a fat muscular natty. You are either lying or a roidtroony
i have good genetics seethe b***h
I oscillate between 20-22% and 10-12% Athleticism is night and day and very health problem or nagging injury you have is improved by being lean. I’ve come to the conclusion that the male body is designed to be sub-15% body fat. Without processed foods and a sedentary lifestyle most men would not be 15+.
People treat you a lot better tbh. I went from growing up a fatass to leanish (14% or so, lean for normie standards) and noticed people's disposition change towards me.
What's lean territory for 6 ft but no muscle? Last time I tried to calculate my bodyfat percentage, it said 20%. I'm 170 pounds. How much longer do I got?
150lbs
Real. Even fatass to average makes a world of a difference. Went from 250 to ~195 now. Still have about 20 pounds to lose and people treat me far better.
Funny how if you were a fat moron abd went from fat to fit you get girls miring you, but if you went from hungry skeleton to fit nobody cares. I was 62kg at 190cm in 3rd year of high school, auschwitz tier, no friends, no girls talked to me. Then i started lifting and eating until i vomited and i got to 80kg at 194cm by senior year. I got 0 female attention before and i got 0 attention after. Then i entered a STEM college and there is like a 20:1 male to female ratio and i am surrounded now by fat obese smelly unkempt neckbeards. Literally the only guy who lifts in any of my classes. Just turned 20 and still never touched a girl, still no friends.
Tl;dr getting fit will not help you with girls if you are a skeleton. It only works if you are fat.
a while ago I cut from (6'3'') 250~ to 198~ and women were hitting on me pretty consistently after that. I have a frame where I don't look tall from a distance, so I think the cut ended up making me look taller as well. I wasn't particularly muscular either.
How about dick gains? Any of you fats who got lean noticed?
I am midway through my weight loss journey and i measured my dick at my fattest and today.
Its not only longer but what gets me is that its longer WITH maximum FUPA pushdown.
Which means that it might be even bigger at the end.
Am i just coping and delusional or are dick gains actually real?
Congrats, your erections are now stronger because you're no longer an unfit fatty.
that isnt lean.
Was 275 lbs of pure fat most of my life. Got down to this and no one cared or noticed and said I had bad genetics and looked like shit. No female interest or tinder matches.
I am also short and in my 30s now. Also have an ugly face.
>I am also short
>no one said I had bad genetics
>No female interest
Oh they're saying it, you're just coping
People here said I had bad genetics and should quit lifting cause I am too ugly and fricked genetically already stupid frick tell me something I do not know already
No one is saying that ugly people shouldn't lift. You should also diet. You should also do cardio. Swimmers have some of the
This board just has this dumbass belief that if you lift, it will fix your life, and you'll suddenly become attractive to women. Lifting is a small part of the equation.
You can be fit but have awful grooming, awful fashion, awful personality, cover yourself up with tattoos, grow out your hair, and women will be repulsed regardless of what your chest looks like
If you don't have friends, don't have a good job, live with your parents, they're not going to want to attach themselves to a loser like you. If your house isn't clean, they're not going to want to spend time there.
Then there's those who are born at a genetic disadvantage. If you're sub 6'0", or non-white, lifting won't elevate you beyond those who are.
>said I had bad genetics and looked like shit.
This is what i said fit and LULZ said btw you
misread
>How real is the lean pill?
Very real, this me at 16 but I looked pretty much like this all into my late 20s without much change except for some more muscle once I started to lift.
Weirdly, got hit on a lot but I was always too insecure about my backne so I never got naked in front of anybody.
ignoring permabulk/powerlifting people has had a huge positive impact on my life. I started eating perfectly and throwing in loads of cardio. I feel and look great. I have no idea how I fell for that meme for so long.
I used to be 225 lbs and looked like shit, now I’m 175 lbs and pretty ripped.
Women do love it, although it lead me to the worst heartbreak I have ever experienced
>Women do love it
Proof? They didnt love it when I was. Especially a 175 lbs sleeper build unless you are short in which case they will never love you.
tried not being short?
175 lbs over 6 foot tall is basically annorexia. You would look like a DYEL lean kpop model at best.
im nta sorry, I was just trying to be funny with an interjection
I am only 6 ft 1 that is short to most women
>be around 13-18% bf year round
>face fat goes from bad to worse at +15%
>need to be around 9-10% to have a decent jawline and non puffy cheeks
frick this shit so hard man, i'll be walking around with a 6 pack and veins and shit but it's completely hidden by my unfortunate facial fat genetics.
keep lifting morons you will never have sex haha. more pussy for me
>t. can talk to women
some of us are doing the best we can to get through the 'tism anon dont be mean
>raptor hands
I know this is most likely edited, but one day, I WILL stick my face between a ladies cheeks like that and inhale it all
went from 95kgs to 75kgs over a period of 10 months 6 years ago. changed my life completely. got totally shredded, mad ab veins chest striations, capped delts the full deal. chicks started frothing over me, got my first gf (which was not great) but otherwise attention from women went crazy. I am at 90kgs, now after bulking for 4 years and am in the process of cutting down to about 84kgs
honestly everyone that says they got mires from being low weight is completely right
I am a 5'9 manlet and at my lowest weight (since gym) at 68kg I got the most attention ive ever had from women
Post fizeek
5'9 and 68 kg is auschwitz mode
I knew a guy who was 5'10 and 60 and he was a skeleton
I'm 5'10 and 75 myself
>Swimmers have some of the
some of the what?
best bodies as rated by women and don't lift at all
Agreed then, this is a goal body
That's a diver not a swimmer
so they train their whole lives just to dive once and drown?
Valid point, but they dont compete at swimming.
Its the difference between jogging and competing at the 100mts.
Some incredibly lucky guy gets to suck and frick this literal olympian on the reg. It’s just not fair.
Do you really think this homie never has done any weight training?
Nobody said that, I just said people who swim primariy (might I add gymnastics to that list) have the most aesthetic physiques. Like greek statues
Fricking F1 drivers need to weight train, obviously swimmers do too
>5'9 and 68 kg is auschwitz mode
No it’s not.
>I knew a guy who was 5'10 and 60 and he was a skeleton
8 KG is a pretty massive difference.
>Did you ever went from fatass to ripped?
Yes but I have loads of stretch marks on my belly and and some loose skin on my neck which fricks my looks. At least I'm healthy I suppose.
no gym for your face incel
>be 56kg no muscle manlet
>adquire titty gf
>be 90kg muscle fatlet
>titty gf became pawg gf but we ended, girls don't mire unless I'm with her
>be 75kg muscle manlet
>girls mire a little more
IST needs to understand lean pill is the only one you need
I've seen guys at the gym lifting good weight but they're fat as frick
meanwhile calisthenics gays get all the chicks
I'm autistic, but I am obsessed with exercise and lean. I often run around shirtless around the city getting mires and my cousin's friends flirt with me all the time. I stopped bothering LARPing as a person who tries trying to build friendships and relationships because I am obsessed with my special interest and it comes off cringe because it is not sincere and I'm a bad actor.
Thanks for reading blog. Yes being lean changes your life.
Getting lean didn’t do shit for me
Is it because I’m 5’4”? Pls respond
That is a fricking amazing transformation anon. Girls approach from the ages 2-14, from 17+ the game changes. Even if they think you're hot, they probably wont approach. They might give a quick glance to show they're okay with you approaching them. They intentionally make it subtle so they get plausible deniability if they change their minds. It's pretty fricked.
You must be ugly
>Girls approach from the ages 2-14
How many playgrounds are you banned from
How much do you weight?
lift more and learn to fight. it isnt optional for short guys.
patrick bateman in the middle
I went from 100kg to 84kg, still look same. When I will get shredded? 180cm btw.
You ugly Hispanic. Weight is measured in pounds and height is measured in feet. Another thing feet is used for is jabbing your butthole.
Seethe, mutt.
Thanks bro
65-70kgs
Depends how muscular you are anon. Probably less than 75 to be ripped.
Not only is that shooped. That is a fricking child. An hero, OP
When I was pic related girls would rub their hands on me and slap my ass in bars. Just keep in mind you'll be a sleeper build unless you wear a tighter shirt. Gained 20lb since this, (strength has increased even on weighted calisthenics), and cutting back down. Will post results soon hopefully in a summer thread.
Used to be a complete skeleton, but you can see muscle definition if I wear a tight shirt. People in general are more receptive when I talk to them than before, a lot coming from just being confident.
Get all kinds of compliments from women when I'm shirtless.
Leanpill = truepill
Leanpill got me married above my socioeconomic station to a successful, gorgeous woman. Leanpill literally pulled me out of dead-end poverty, and now I'm basically living the American dream. It's been a decade+ and I've sagged a little while my family and career life have taken off, but I'm back on the path.
>successful
I hope you mean successful at raising children and being a proper woman. Not successful in some gay ass career while shipping the kids off to be brainwashed in daycare/school
I mean successful as in she makes a ton of money and I was her boy toy.
How lean until I can collect all the sex brown girls owe me?
I’ve been fat and lean. Women don’t really like either. They basically just like tall, broad shoulders, looks athletic, dresses well.
C and D is pretty much women give the most attention to.
Nah B and D
Nobody likes fat/chubby bodies, not even women
I'm literally E
E is a good place to be. You could get lean in a month.
D is angle- shadowfrauding, and contracting like a MOTHERFRICKER.
t. same as D but to be honest more than a few more LBs bigger in just fat.
i can tell by the doughy obliques towards his back
>C and D
lol, no they don't.
I'm B's muscularity with C's BF%
women love it
I feel like shit because I feel fat and terrible
you shouldn't look like D if you're over 26 and if a woman over 26 wants D, she's either a hebe or mentally ill and trapped in high school
E and A are rope territory explicitly because of fat distribution and bone structure
theres nothing 'childish' about D moron. Its a perfectly normal adult body
kys amerifat