Does a squat need to be atg to be considered a full rep? Does it even matter in terms of muscle/strength growth?
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Does a squat need to be atg to be considered a full rep? Does it even matter in terms of muscle/strength growth?
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I think parallel is all you need for a squat to do what it should do, technically. But why wouldn't you train full range of motion unless you're competing?
>why wouldn't you train full range of motion unless you're competing?
knees hurt and i don't wanna wear gay knee support.
I've read that stopping yourself short of full ROM puts more torque on the knees than stopping the motion more naturally at the end of full ROM. I cant 100% say that its true, but i have read it
It's certainly has been my experience with trying to find a squat that works with my glass knees rather than trying to be optimal.
/thread. Parallel is a full rep but you’re gay if you don’t go ATG
depends on stance, build, bar placement and presence of weightlifting shoes or not
Squatting ATG feels so much better to me. Parallel just doesn't hit the quads and ass the same way.
This. People who squat to parallel only are missing out on a good leg workout.
Drop your ego, de-load and relearn to squat ATG or at least as far as you can go. It feels like an entirely different movement. Your squat will get stronger in the long run.
You might develop a tendency to relax at the bottom. That's how you snap your shit.
Squats, like all exercises, are only completed via full range of motion. That means atg.
>B-but powershitters comp standards permits..
Who fricking cares what those ego lifting fatasses do. They intentionally find any way they can to exploit lower rom to pretend they completed a lift. It's like the cross fitters who don't care about proper form on pullups or other lifts.
Atg is the only way to complete a rep.
How much do you squat?
2.8x bw high bar, atg. I squat 2.4-2.5x bw for reps.
>bw ratio
give me the raw numbers
shitter detected
i just want to know the raw numbers, why would someone refuse to post that and just cope with bw ratios?
he obviously weighs 30kg
Symmetric strength would give him a world class squat at that body weight. Like I said, impressive at any body weight.
u ain't impressive if I can throw you around like a doll
Dude I squat 270lb while only weighing 90kg. so um that's technically 3x bw squat.
Dude who cares? A 2.8x squat is impressive at any bodyweight.
Why wouldn't he just post his actual numbers? Because he's trying to hide something
Maybe it's just easier to report a ratio. You sound like a schizo. Take your meds.
you have to go out of your way to calculate the ratios, or you can put the actual number you know off the top of your head
refute it you homosexual, you won't
not the guy youre talking to but this is such obvious cope lol. NO ONE uses bw ratios unless theyre massively coping.
>Maybe it's just easier to report a ratio
wtf lmao. "i squat 400 lbs" is not hard to say
That would put him at 143lbs. That's a very impressive squat for that body weight. If instead he weighed 320lbs, a 400lb squat sounds mediocre. If you need to report both numbers to give insight for how the squat is, a ratio is a condensed way. Why do powershitters seethe so much at ratios?
No it's to try and obfuscate your lies. If he said he squats 600lbs people would be calling him out.
its the incredibly obvious avoiding of saying how much he actually squats is what makes it cope
It's glaringly obvious that he's around 5'5" & 150 with a 420lb squat. If he just says 420 then all the tall fat homosexuals would chime in with hurr durr muh numbers higher even their lifts and physique are objectively worse.
why should something be impressive if your only selling point is weighing less than a woman and lifting less than the average normie? you're supposed to be a man
>tall fat homosexual chimes in to prove my point about tall fat homosexuals chiming in
Lol thanks.
They're not even tall.
>5'9"
>280lbs
Jesus Christ. Why would anyone do this to themselves? The sad thing is he barely squats double body weight either .
what? double bodyweight is strong as frick. nobody gives a frick what your bw ratio is if you're not hitting at least 400lb
im not obese so i don't get your meme
then you would realise double bw isn't strong af
post squat
140kg 4x4 @ 70kg and I'm not strong
we can tell
cope and seethe
dyel
but i have visible abs and never bulk until they're invisible
do you make sure to stand up on your tiptoes at top as well? If not, you aren't doing full range of motion.
not part of a squat, not relevant, full ROM of a squat is ATG, feet flat on the ground
Slightly below parallel
She could squat that weight onto me
Time under tension matters way more for muscle growth.
Notably, Coleman did mostly "to parallel" reps but he could always go ATG.
Full ROM will keep you strong through the, well, full ROM.
time under tension is bullshit. If that was true, you could just do one rep that lasts a minute.
moron ALERT
If it doesn't matter then don't train and tell me your gains.
even jeff "science Black person" nipptard says tut is not an important factor, you can't refute this
>appeal to a singular authority on a science that always changes
How many jefferson curls do you do in a given week anon?
>tut is no an important factor
Black person do you control the eccentric component of any exercise you do, at all? Frick planks, how fast do you slam yourself into the hole at a bottom of a squat? Do you just drop the bar on your chest when benching?
And while were talking about squatting 600lbs, try rehabing any sort of injury, nevermind a complex one like a back or lumbar mechanical sprain without including a tut component.
>you could just do one rep that lasts a minute.
why couldnt you? I started getting way better workouts, pumps, and gains when I dropped like 15 lbs from my db bench and started doing like 2-3 (probably2.5) second each concentric and eccentric movements. of course, I then applied it to the rest of my workout, but I dont remember how much weight i dropped off those
That's what I have to for leg extensions. After squats I just throw the pussy pad on the bar and pick it up with my feet. Can't get the full rom extensions but I can hold it at peak contraction until my legs are shaking and I'm pretty sure it works all the same. Whether it will work or not depends on the lift though imo.
time under tension has literally zero impact on muscle growth
I'll second the moron alert. TUT is absolutely a factor.
>what is a plank
I rest my case.
488 a4
Except planks do fricking nothing to grow muscle.
Source? Because I just searched, and beside the basic common sense, yes, every source says they build muscle.
If they did nothing, you'd be able to plank for an indefinite amount of time.
I have shitty hips and have a hard time going ATG, I've found that when I do it vs. Just going parallel though I get just as sore so I don't really see a point.
Yes
I can almost guarantee she’s taking BBC daily.
Usually I would say you are a demoralization /misc/ black wiener obsessed weirdo, but that physiognomy, especially the upturned nose and general face shape, screams snowbunny coalburner. Not even counting the makeup/bellybutton piercing.
>the upturned nose and general face shape
I thought it was just me who noticed this
>the upturned nose
Looks like a basic ass rhinoplasty,. which does scream coal burner
mental illness
mutts law
Nice
>BBC
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>Does a squat need to be atg to be considered a full rep?
According to powerlifting, no. Parallel squats are to atg squats as what Sumo deadlifts are to conventional.
>Does it even matter in terms of muscle/strength growth?
Yes, and to a large margin. You're missing out on the most lengthened portion of the RoM for both your quads and glutes. Parallel squatters are the guys who complain about not being able to grow with squats.
If your knees are far enough forward you will barely hit parallel while also being "atg."
Neither of these are examples of an atg squat.
the only people asking this question are quarter squatting.
hips below knees or literally don't bother. It's like bench pressing without touching the bar to your chest; useless.
>hips below knees or literally don't bother. It's like bench pressing without touching the bar to your chest; useless.
Says the power shitter. Full ROM doesn't mean shit for bodybuilding purposes.
imagine if when she squats that deep, she were to fart haha lol
https://www.t-nation.com/training/the-truth-about-ass-to-grass-squats/#:~:text=There%27s%20no%20rule%20saying%20you%20have%20to%20choose,ATG%20and%20partial%20squats.%20You%20can%20do%20both.
This article says it doesn't really matter. I try to do parallel or close to it. I'll do ATG w drop set and really feel it in my glutes.
But the idea that not going ATG is completely worthless is bunk. I've got pretty good gains and for damn sure wasn't doing ATG.
Brain dead cope. There is no rule saying any lift should be taken to full rom. Obviously partial ROM works a muscle. The point of doing a lift is to complete the lift. Atg is full ROM and thus is the correct way to squat. Anything else is half assing.
>The point of doing a lift is to complete the lift.
the point of a lift is hypertrophy. unless you're competing - but oh wait they accept below parallel too.
so it's just a stupid purity ritual like "girl pushups" or whatever. if it gives you hypertrophy it's accomplishing it's purpose.
No, that's your reason for doing a lift. You can do a lift for mobility, strength or rehabilitation purposes. Spastic.
>You can do a lift for mobility or rehabilitation purposes
how can a full ROM squat help with any of these?
according to this dude squatting ass to crass is not recommended
>You must only do low bar, reducing your ROM
>Exceeding this limited ROM via atg is dangerous
What a stupid fricking argument. Just high bar squat. With how much he's citing rippebreasts starting strength, this is obviously a shill video.
Alan reformed from rippetard's training methodology.
It depends on your build. If you look at the picture, you can see that Clarence goes all the way down but that makes his squat very posterior dominant wheres many weightlifters including Eoin Murphy only try to load their quads as much as possible
The fridge have insane legs tho. He wouldn’t be able to go lower if he tried.
The fridge posted on fit... based. irish quadfather
He says he hates you people now though. All you do post smarmy bullshit that's painful for me to read.
What are you on about "you people"
he hates the Black folk who have invaded his country
where did he say that? I am not a Black person and I do not live in ireland so I guess i'm fine
atg makes you relieve your bowels. I've learned this from personal experience.
It won't be settled once and for all.
On one hand there is biomechanics practice, and science of muscle growth that say you don't need to go bellow parallel. And you shouldn't if your mobility and bone proportions don't allow that.
On the other hand you have asian and east slav midgets who have atg as the only accomplishment in their whole lives and they will seethe if anyone clames the former.
Most Asians and slavs barely hit parallel because their femurs are so short.
Check out xiaojun's depth
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/fg9Maxr73i0g4kvsk
I like reporting ratios because of how much it makes these fatasses cope and sneed lmao.
For clarify, my lifts are
Squat: 2.8x bw
Bench: 2.1x bw
Deadlift: 3.4x bw
Here's my challenge to you. Find a bodyweight via symmetric strength or wilks for which you think these numbers suck. You won't find any. Conversely, find a range of bodyweight I must be to be telling the truth. It isn't a difficult thing to do. For how much it makes the fat fricks here cry about it on literally every thread makes it all worth.
Cool lies. Post proof of any lift. Post your quad even.
>Post your quad even.
gay
So no proof of anything
I thing your weight is around 87kg
Hit or miss?
Can't ruin the mystery. Sorry man.
No worries I’m enjoying the sneed and feed too
You’re just forcing us to assume you’re a 120lbs Asian turbomanlet
Are you joking dude? Everything about what he's saying hints he's probably extremely scrawny and probably a manlet as well. Only types of dudes who measure what they can lift in terms of their body weight.
<60kg guaranteed
What does it matter bro there’s a reason y there’s something called „pound for pound“ in martial arts basically the equivalent to bw ratios
This is the most moronic cope. Pound for pound just means they're fundamentally sound but would still get demolished by someone bigger. Just like this guy is a coping homosexual trying to hide his 100kg squat as something impressive.
You really think that anon weighs 79 lbs? I put it into symmetric strength. He'd have a world class squat. Why does that enrage you so much
World class squats aren't impressive, unless it fits /plg/s fat standards
>he's probably extremely scrawny
>t.
>Bu- but technically!! technically!! If you compare the weight I lift to my bodyweight it's actually pretty impressive
Why don’t you answer this instead
Truthfully man, you're right. I'm mostly busting balls. There's a lot to be said about not comparing. We all have different genes.
I was always the "endomorph". I have to have a really strict diet and do lots of cardio to stay lean.
I've had so many ectos follow me around the gym and tell me unsolicited their PRs and I always told them they were doing great. Then they'd go on to tell me that although I lift more, their lift is more impressive because >muh body weight comparison
I'm really happy for anyone working away at the gym and reaching their goals. I think something inside me just get triggered whenever I see someone posting their big lifts as ratios to their bodyweight lol.
Good job on the progress man.
It takes a man to recognize another
Wagmi
Wagmi, bro 🙂
>Then they'd go on to tell me that although I lift more, their lift is more impressive because >muh body weight comparison
you misarable powershitter, no one does that irl, all those ectos are figments of your imagination proped up by your insecure psyche
Every other metric is plates. 1/2/3/4.
And if you're 100 lbs and squatting 250 you're still strong
no, you're either female or a turbo manlet both of which are objectively weak
Bodyweight ratios only matter if you're hitting 2/3/4/5
What do you mean?
yes, words have meaning. try reading again.
Why? So lower weight class people who are world class athletes by symmetric strength are dyel by plg standards or something?
yes exactly
Sound insecure if you ask me.
If absolute strength means nothing if you're fat then it logically follows that relative strength means nothing if you're weak
How does that follow?
>Absolute strength means nothing if you're fat (because your relative strength is weak)
>Therefore it follows that your relative strength is worthless (because your absolute strength is weak)
Do you now understand why the second doesn't follow from the first?
it makes perfect sense. you use relative strength to invalidate absolute strength why can't the opposite be true? explain why it wouldn't logically follow please
A = lift is relatively strong
B = lift is absolutely strong
C = lift is bad/sucks/weak/irrelevant/what have you.
>An absolutely strong lift is unimpressive because it's not relatively strong
This is logically given as
>If (B and ~A) then C
In contrast
>A relatively strong lift is unimpressive because it's not absolutely strong
This is logically given as
>If (~B and A) then C
Your claim is the second statement follows from the first, which is simply not true. If you believe it is, then please demonstrate via boolean algebra how it is.
(B & ~A) = ~(~B & A) = ~C => (~B & A) = C
low iq autist
Let's break it down more.
A = it's raining
B = it's hot outside
C = I go to the beach
>If (B and ~A) then C.
>If (it's hot outside and it's not raining) then I go to the beach
Does this imply the second statement?
>If (~B and A) then C
>if (it's cold outside and it's raining) then I go to the beach.
Well clearly that follows. Clearly.
first of all you define everything high absolute strength to be unimpressive if it's low relative strength. all i claim is the opposite definition. frick off moronic homosexual
Not a refutation. Please refer back to
And no, your boolean algebra is not correct. No, I won't tell you specifically what is. What I will tell you is to review de Morgan's laws.
>Not a refutation
see
you've defined something with no logical basis therefore the inverse holds the same weight unless you care to disprove why relative strength should have precedence
Your faulty reasoning is thinking the second statement follows from the first. Whether the first statements truth value is well founded is irrelevant. If it's true, the second statement doesn't follow
you decided to play semantics because you see your definition is moronic
Stop this gay ass argument. You are right. Both relative strength and objective strength are copes. That's why we created ways to compare across weight classes. Other guy is right too. World class lifts are obviously not weak and they don't have to be as high as 2/3/4/5 at lower weight classes.
>and they don't have to be as high as 2/3/4/5 at lower weight classes
cope. if you're not hitting these numbers you're not objectively strong. which is fine but unless you're hitting those relative strength is cope
If my lift is world class and yours isn't then I'm stronger than you. Doesn't get more objective than that.
>someone lifts more than me
>but im stronger because im a tiny little boy toy twink
>if they'd just let me compete at two weight classes lower than I am I'd win
Is this what fatties tell themselves to pretend they aren't fat? Let me know when you can climb these without going into cardiac arrest
if you don't weigh at least 100kg with visible abs you're genetic trash and should have a nice day
That's past the natty limit under 6'4". If you're roiding then have a nice day.
>let me telll you about the natty limit
Don't tell me about it. I don't listen to homosexuals.
go back
What part of I don't listen to homosexuals don't you understand?
t. doesn't even lift
I know you don't lift but thanks for telling me.
lmao, you on your lunch break at school?
seethe
lol
lmao even
go back to asking people to post nudes on /lgbt/
>more gay stuff
Shocker.
Damn. John Haack doesn't meet the bw cutoff to be a man. Twinksisters, we got too wienery...
he is a roid troony after all. he's transcended manhood
You're right, but world class lifts aren't weak.
regardless this world class cope is just a distraction twinks use to justify their weakness. your 2x bodyweight squat at 60kg is not world class. you're just small and weak
>World class lifts are weak
Lmfao. Powershitters are moronic.
it's precisely those same powershitters who hold the records you moronic homosexual. now let's see your world class squat post it to btfo the powershitters please
This video completely explains why not everyone can squat all the way down. If you want to know what's really best for your goals, you should watch it.
Seriously, if anyone here wants the real answer and to not just talk shit back and forth, watch this.
this is wrong. there are more than one joint that can modify the leverages. 1st of all his center of balance is on the heel which is wrong and 2nd a loaded bar on your back shifts the center of balance. there's not a single healthy human who can't hit below parralel squats. you're coping i used to think the same. think about your ankles
>Does it even matter in terms of muscle/strength growth?
ROM and stretch under tension are literally the most important factors in muscle hypertrophy.
Parallel squats are only viable if you're an ugly powershitter or for some moronic reason prioritize hip gains over quads
The other important reason to squat atg is it fills you with confiedence and feel of superiority over lowbar/goodmorning mobilitylets
not necessarily. I think it's fine to consider parallel-to-ground a rep, but ATG is more about increasing strength and functional movement
take a look at this OP pic lads.. if you are as flexible as the girl in that pic, you do not need squatting shoes at all. They're only for inflexible c**ts who actually push heavy weight.
This is a good example of a gear queer.
weighlifting shoes is the simplest fix for someone with an awkward squat, which is most people
My knees hurt if I try to stop at parallel. What am I doing wrong?
a2g for a 1 rep max, but muscle recruitment doesn't really occur past parallel
>but muscle recruitment doesn't really occur past parallel
what...
how do you get out of below parallel without muscle recruitment?
stretch reflex unless it's paused there's probably not much difference that hitting just below parallel
>but muscle recruitment doesn't really occur past parallel
the most amount of quad recruitment happens in a lengthen position precisely past parallel, before parallel it's all hips and lower back
going below parallel is hell on my back, yeah my form is slightly probably off in some autistic esoteric way but then again i don't care
Could be your proportions
not sure if it's short hamstrings or short hip flexors but I can't go past parallel without bending my back, and if I bend my lower back I for sure snap my shit. Any ideas?
Don’t go past parallel
The injury isn’t worth it, you can still get a good workout. Might have to do ‘more’ accessories (like an additional set or 2) but the risk of injuring yourself is not worth any possible gains you could make by going past parallel. Do some sort of glute work and it’ll be good
post body
>ask for body
>doesn’t post body
Not posting myself so homosexuals like you can jack off to them and use them later in cbt threads so others can jack off to them
Could be your shin-femur-torso proportions that just don't allow you to go past parallel.
=> https://youtu.be/Av3LO2GwpAk
You don't have the proportions for ATG. For non-manlets it's a coin flip if you have the proportions to actually ATG without lumbar flexion.
Most manlets can easily do it which is why they swear by ATG on IST.
i need pics or webms of thicc girls lifting so i can groom a chick i frick into getting a tighter body.
There's plenty of threads on /s/ for that
I squat 105 lbs full range of motion.
>I squat 105 lbs full range of motion.
I think it's enough to claim 3pl8 squat
I was taught a squat is, your thighs go just below parallel to the floor. Or another way to look at it is the tops of your hips in line with the bottom of your knees.
The reason for just below parallel, is that most people don’t have the range of motion for atg without months and months of raining and stretching. I also don’t like going atg when I have more than 70% of my weight on.
If sumo Black folk and manlets bouncing reps off their chest on top of their 4 inch range of motion wearing their special t-shirt counts, what the frick do you think, moron.
Do parallel if you want.
Figure out some way to do even less than if you can and care about numbers more than aesthetics.
the fact that this is even being suggested shows that you guys are tards
most people can't squat atg because their physiology doesn't allow them to. below parallel is sufficient to build the posterior chain and load the quads
>most people can't squat atg
americans aren't people
>most people can't squat atg because their physiology doesn't allow them to
You mean flexibility
Is it cheating to practice atg with a plate under your heels? I completely lack the mobility to get atg without my heels coming up.
>Does a squat need to be atg to be considered a full rep?
No.
>Does it even matter in terms of muscle/strength growth?
Possibly.
You should focus on the max amount of ROM you can do safely and comfortably. If you can do this ATG, great. If not, do what you can. It might be due to genetics, it might be due to a lack of mobility from a lifetime of being a potato. It doesn't matter. You do the squat you can do right now and progress the best you can. If it is not a matter of genetics, you may want to try to increase your mobility and slowly get more ROM in your squat. But imposing artificially strict standards from DYELs on IST is peak moronation.
This thread is pointless there's already a perfectly fine definition of a squat rep. You don't need to define shit, OP you fricking narcissistic moron
>squatting in shoes
>squatting in shoes that raise your heels
This isn't proper atg.
Be able to squat atg is natural human trait, everyone can do, you are just not flexible enough probably do to your lifestyle and routine
Huge keks at the anons in this thread trying to claim that ATG isn't physiologically possible for people. If you aren't squatting as low as possible keep your "PRs" to yourselves.
Your knees need to break parallel with your hips in order to be considered a full repetition, op. /thread
>be me
>5'9", 280 lbs
>see dude on YouTube break a world record in deadlifts
>*Scoffs* that fricking twink, I can deadlift more than he can
>Unimpressive, he's a weak little homosexual
Yep, totally rational behavior.
>be me 90lb twink (3in asian penis)
>deadlift 4x bodyweight
>scoffs those big burly men have nothing on me
>they can't even lift 3x heh
If you weigh twice as much as him your 3x would pretty much equivalent to his 4x.
nope 4x > 3x kek fatass
Manlets get higher bodyweight ratios and lanklets get higher raw numbers. Manlets also get more muscle density while lanklets have more volume. It's just how it is. When their lifts are compared as objectively as possible a 100lb guys 4x is as impressive as a 200lb guys 3x. I'm a manlet myself but I'm not gonna pull that cope for me but not for thee horseshit.
nope, it's scientifically PROVEN and fact checked the little boy is the mogger in this scenario
That proves exactly what I said. Little guy at 4x, big guy at 3x, both are elite lifts.
yeah but the little boy is the mogger here don't you agree? it's literally a proven fact
No I would not agree. You just proved that they're equal.
but they're not equal don't you see the little boy is lifting slightly more thereby irrefutably mogging the other guy
ATG no shoes is the only real squat.
Everything else is cope
post squat
t. israelite
Hahaha imagine just being right under there smelling her essence for ever rep and her giving you a pause squat at the end of her set hahaha
I've found that my preferred squat stance is high bar, feet a bit wider and toes pointed out a bit more than normal, doing full rom with a slight bounce of the bottom. I have really really shitty knees, and that's what feels best for them. It looks a bit like the slav squat, but more upright and without the rounded lower back of course.
>le "Let’s settle this once and for all" beta phaggot thread of today
It has to be fully parallel to signal that you're IST. Otherwise you're just wanking yourself and should do hip thrusts and leg extensions instead.
if you never did ATG you never did a single squat in your entire life