It seems nowadays there is this new trend where people go to failure on every set and do very little volume. If it was the best then why are the olympians with the best trainers with the goal of winning the title not doing this shit?
You can't show me a single bodybuilder who won a title who does this except Dorian Yates.
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Agreed. I tried it, results were subpar and I was getting injuries. High volume, lots of variations for the win
its garbage
You're right!
Yeah I figured this out with bench press. When I trained to failure my bench stalled at 2p8 for 5+ years. Then I actually looked up a bench program and increased volume and frequency to what morons would call is "for roiders" and my bench shot up to 3pl8 in less than half a year. And yeah my work loads were mostly like 70-80% so not even close to failure. I always ended up thinking how could this work, I feel like i didnt even do anything. Yet it did.
And now someone will say "oohhh but thats for strength not hypertrophy". What do you think is doing the lifting? Holy spirit? My chest fricking blew up in size going from 2pl8 to 3pl8. At a similar bodyfat. So I applied that similar methodology to everything else and its working great. Now its not black and white. If you dont train frequently and do low volume, THEN going to failure is not overrated. If you only go to the gym once a week and you train at 70-80%, you are going to get nowhere. Thats when you need to fricking have a nice day completely to make something out of that 1 training day.
literally what happened to me.
>What do you think is doing the lifting? Holy spirit?
yes, unironically
you wouldn't spend 5 years repeating the same thing that didn't work the first dozens of times if you had this insight
Post bench routine
this pls
>My chest fricking blew up in size going from 2pl8 to 3pl8
Post body?
If you go to failure all the time you're gonna have to rest for like 2 weeks every now and then so you can progress in weight.
Going till failure in your last set is the winner move. On every set is stupid. You end up so exhausted your entire workout will take forever.
Now, I am not a native English speaker, can someone tell me what does "shy of failure" stand for?
For what I've read is not the actual "going till failure? I know. I've read things like: "going 3 reps 'shy of failure'.
What is that? Does it mean, stop when you know you won't be able to make those three left? How can I know precisely? I'm confused.
It means you stop at the rep where you would have 3 left in the tank.
3 is hard to judge, 1-2 is easier.
>Going till failure in your last set is the winner move.
This is lift dependent, going to failure on curls isn't the same as squats or deadlifts. For those to lifts and to a lesser extent bench/pull-ups/rows, you should try to avoid absolute failure except for the few times you have a pre-planned performance metric you are trying to meet. Grinding ugly reps isn't worth it.
enjoy making less gains and staying a weak pussy while putting more effort. lol, lmao even
Switched to low volume with my gym bro a year ago and we have both kept out gains. We do ppl x3 per week right now 4-5 sets per session in total (4-5 movements) and we take every set to failure. We are at the gym max 30 mins per session. Gains have been consistent but I’m thinking of adding a lil more volume. In 2022 early 23 I was 7on no rest days so I know what I’m talking about
Don’t know how you’re doing 16-20 sets to failure in a half hour. I do about 28 sets to failure and it takes me 1.5 hours.
Easy, he's lying. I do
3x8 squat
5x8 bench
5x8 ohp
(Last set to failure on each)
3x failure accesories x3
That takes 1.5hr
My best gains are doing heavirst sets of 10s I can manage, and ending on 5s for pr weight
LEG DRIVE !
bet you coomed pretty hard after this one
>very little volume
But that's bullshit though? It's high volume at high intensity.
Basically, you do as much volume to failure as you can get away with without getting injured.
You can compensate for not going to failure by doing even more volume, but at a certain point that game becomes impossible to win. Few people have the time to spend 4 hours in the gym.
This: there is no volume vs intensity discussion. The combo of both plus metabolism equals stimulus for hypertrophy. Your genetics, preferences and circumstances define the distribution of your effort amongst these parameters and the bottomline is simply train as hard as you can get away with. Anons who say high intensity doesn’t work simply have to add intensity and or volume (or restrict metabolism).
I bet OP didn’t work as hard as Yates when doing „HIT“
>egolifters getting filtered by going to failure
oh no no
thats not you lmfao
First time getting btfo kid?
imagine posting another men benching to flex on strangers online, you should kys as soon as possible
It’s ok little bro. Maybe this will encourage you to start training to failure and to stop being a pussy so you can be strong like me
cope Black person, unless u post a video with screencap youre a Black person homosexual who uses other people's videos to flex on strangers on internet, kys
Holy frick you really are btfo.
What do you mean a video with screencap? Also who the frick do you think I took this from? It’s not like this is that insane of a lift. You’re just that weak that you’re getting this butthurt over me mogging the frick out of you
dn rd
kys
Is this what you want? Are you ready to humble yourself and admit you don’t know as much as you think you do?
> It seems nowadays there is this new trend where people go to failure on every set and do very little volume.
Who actually advocates for that though
Body builders are confused. They are very superstitious as well leading them to prefer traditional methods over the best methods primarily due to peer pressure and the mistaken belief that doing a lot is the same thing as working hard. Intensity is the prerequisite of training. Those training at the lower end simply require more sets with shorter rest periods to compensate for the lack of intensity. Plain and simply, the high intensity, the shorter your workouts have to be and the fewer sets you require.
>Dorian Yates
Is an example of someone training with only one set to failure per exercise consistently beating those who stuck to traditional methods. That being said, Mr. Olympia is won due to a combination of genetics, dieting, and the preferences of judges. It is not necessarily due to training methodology.
>does three sets with 2 or 3 RIR
>does one set to failure
Yup, one set to failure is all you'll ever need.
>half reps
Reduce that arch and let your arms go bellow parallel. You might as well ditch the bench and just do floor press.
I think I’m good bro I’ve never had shoulder pain benching. The way you described is perfect for getting injured
Shoulder pain is caused by letting the elbows flare out too much and improper bar positioning. It's not caused by using a flat back and full range of motion.
It most definitely is dude. Not getting up on the traps and allowing your scaps to move freely is what causes people injuries benching.
Post yourself benching more than me and I’ll take your advice.
Your ass isn't even on the bench. There's one thing to have the natural slight arch in the back. It's another thing if your traps of your back is the only part of your body consistently on the bench. Yours is the latter. The only difference between you and those IPF archers is that you're isn't as extreme as theirs.
Also lose that belly fat. It's cutting into your rom.
t. benches 135
It’s ok op, you got btfo, you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re weak as frick. Just humble yourself and ask me for my advice and maybe you can be strong like me
You probably won't sleep tonight because only one person complimented your "ultra impressive bench".
Still waiting for you to post your bench op. You were so confident you were stronger than me, what happened? Or are you just going to keep moving the goalposts and acting ass blasted as frick
Seems kinda gay to not lift as much as I can tbh.
That's about all that needs to be said. /thread
This and the guy repping 315 got shoved so far up ops ass it’s unreal
One set to failure is all you need.
jfl @ that arch
Alright op I gotta go do other things with my day. You got absolutely btfo and I hope this is a lesson for you to humble yourself. I also hope you’ll stop training like a b***h and get strong. Stay blessed
PSA do not fall for the fricking HIT meme. I got brainwashed hard early 23. Here is me when i was lifting Sam sulek style in 2022. 7 days on no rest days. Will post a current pic below
Here is me now doing Mike Mentzer’s heavy duty routine and recently switched to a ppl split (still very low volume)
Cardio and diet stayed pretty much the same the only difference I don’t take creatine anymore. What do you suggest?
rotate please
>suggest
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15 reps
roid troony
doing more than 3-4 sets is a waste of time and is junk volume
morons read mike mentzer and make it their whole personality (MUSTACHERINO!!!!)
New trend? Starting Strength has been around for a long time.
Only responding bc digits. Starting Strength was very important in bringing barbells to the masses in the 00s. I salute Rip for that. But otherwise his program is outdated.