The only time I was able to progress linearly is when I was eating over 4000 calories a day. It eventually stalled WAY before people told me to stop and I also got love handles in no time. When I asked what to do people said to eat/sleep more and continue. Didn't work. Eventually changed routines, started using flexible rep ranges actually made gains, OVER TIME.
Why do people recommend beginners to go up in weight every time they work out well beyond what's actually possible?
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>things must go perfectly as you said or i'll eat an entire box of krispy kremes
Correct, well done on realising
>Eventually changed routines, started using flexible rep ranges actually made gains, OVER TIME.
this is what I always tell people to do but you really can't argue with ripplebreasts audience. if you do not match their expectations they just think you aren't eating enough, there's literally no difference in gains between 500, 1000, 1500 etc kcal surplus. all you do is get fatter which make your leverages better for moving heavy loads (also reduces rom on bench due to fat breasts lmao). but this is not what any newbie is after.
nothing wrong with the concept of linear progression but frick anyone who tells you keep doing the same shit that clearly stopped being linear progression 2 months ago. you should move onto weekly progression or undulating progression (like you have, kudos on that)
Linear progression is fricking bullshit because when I started in the gym and was aimless I understood the idea of doing more reps sometimes so maybe next time you can lift a heavier weight but LP programs convinced me you have to just add weight and there are magical rep numbers. Then after fricking two years I got out of that gay shit only to find what was intuitive from the get go was already the correct way to do this shit. So what fricking purpose does Starting Strength, Stronglifts etc. serve other than letting you know about the big barbell lifts, which you would start eventually doing anyway?
Idk what the terms are but this is what I do and it works.
3x5/8
On the last set, go till 1 from failure, if more reps than the set was, increase weight next time
Eating at maintenence btw
double progression
Linear strength progression, exponential weight gain
>Why do people recommend beginners to go up in weight every time
Because they're supposed to start with an empty bar?
I do 12/12/x when x reaches 12 I up the weight.
The entire crux of Rippetoe's training philosphy involves the subject having to gain 60 lbs. of fat for the 5 lbs. of muscle it will add.
Linear progression only works for newbie gains, which are overwhelmingly neural gains
The brain gets better at controlling and firing the motor units to use your existing muscles more effectively
ONLY when that becomes insufficient to defeat the loads placed upon the system, do hypertrophy and maybe hyperplasia occur
There is no advantage to getting fat to raise your first plateau an extra <10kg, instead of just hitting that neural plateau, then gradually building muscle (which is slow as frick and basically an act of faith, hence people look for moron shortcuts and rationalisations)
Good programs are literally just an excuse to force you to lift for longer before expecting progress, because time and consistency is the primary factor
e.g. 5/3/1, this program is genius
>you can only increase in weight every 4 weeks (nowadays every 6 weeks lmao)
>every 4th week is a deload
>your working sets are a percentage of a percentage of your max (aka massively, artificially low)
>you increase your max 5lb every cycle (then take a % of a % of it for your sets so your actual working weight increases by 1-2lb)
>end result - people follow the program until they get bored, then try a max attempt and achieve a much higher max and think the program is magic - not realising that it's simply a trick to make them actually stick to lifting for long enough to make gains, which they wouldn't have done if they had tried to LP to that max they just set
5/3/1 has way more volume allowing your muscles to actually grow while SS is a peaking program. skellies have no base to peak with
>Linear progression only works for newbie gains, which are overwhelmingly neural gains
wrong
>The brain gets better at controlling and firing the motor units to use your existing muscles more effectively
wrong
>ONLY when that becomes insufficient to defeat the loads placed upon the system, do hypertrophy and maybe hyperplasia occur
wrong
Imagine being this wrong
You cannot train your neurons. Look at people rehabbing a spinal injury. The neural system can't be trained much at all.
Your early gains are muscle. Your idea that you don't build muscle until after your nervous system changes is nonsensical.
Let me guess, you rested only 2-3 minutes between your work sets...
No I didn't you homosexual, I rested for at least 5 minutes at least. I would spend 1.5-2 hours per workout. Now you're going to tell me about 2.5lbs progression and diet/sleep recovery right? Don't bother because there were no issues there either.
You're supposed to rest 5 mins for SS? I've been resting less than 2.
Yes, read this article for more info:
https://startingstrength.com/article/the_first_three_questions
I see, very insightful. I'll read some of the other articles too. I've been doing it for 2 weeks and felt bad my bench wasn't going up by 5lbs every session, but I should have been doing 1.5-2lbs
You can also learn more by listening to his podcast, starting strength radio.
Rippetoe would probably tell you to eat more and to stop being a pussy.
In reality op:
>Didn’t really eat 4000 cals a day
>Slept <7 hours a night
>Rested 2-3 minutes between sets
>Did half squats
So why not tell us your starting weight and lifts and ending weight and lifts and maybe a picture
>does program created by guy that literally says that its not for aesthetics
>complains about getting fat