Litmus test for?

Decided to post this here because most ISTizens don't know how programming works. They'll tell you to avoid starting strength bc
>muh fat
They'll tell you to hop on a bodybuilding split because
>muh fat
They'll tell you not to gain weight because
>m-m-muh fat

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Post body

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >verification not required

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Putting on any fat at all defeats the purpose of weight lifting, which is to look shredded

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can't look shredded if you have no muscle. Muscle growth brings along fat growth. This fact makes all of IST seethe. But what I don't understand is why? Fat comes off... unless....

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you fat by any chance and just projecting your insecurities?

    If you are then listen this:
    Cardio should be performed at moderate pace with BPM at about 140 and with a good breathing technique (inhale nose, exhale mouth)
    Don't focus much about hypertrophy and strength training just do bunch of cardio until you feel better. High intensity interval training is for conditioning and not burning fat so dont do that. It burns more glucose than fat.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Practical Programming is a programming book that literally tells you how to program.. get this, for strength and hypertrophy. It's cuts out the fat of the original starting strength book and tells you why your lifts are plateauing.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've seen the book mentioned in a thread a while ago and bought it. I like it so far but I want to know if the main book is worth reading. Am I missing out on important stuff by skipping it?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I would consider this book the "main book". Starting Strength is more about the technique and execution of the main lifts. It barely touches on programming at all.

          I think its good to start with but eventually you read through other books and learn to incorporate other aspects into your programming.

          Could you recommend some? I've definitely relied on this book extensively because I've never seen anything as rigorous. I know Bill Starr's wrote some stuff, but I always assumed that this book was the distillation of his work.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I know Bill Starr's wrote some stuff, but I always assumed that this book was the distillation of his work.
            Nah read the strong shall survive. Also check out bill starr’s Hopkins program

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sort of.

        The SS book goes into sufficient detail on Programming, especially for a rank novice. There is a discussion in the SS book about the principles of programming such that a reasonably intelligent intermediate who actually completed (and therefore learns from) the complete novice progression, including the so-called "advanced novice" changes, should be able to figure out a decent intermediate program, using some species of HLM programming.

        Yes, Practical Programming is brilliant, but the SS book discusses programming better than almost any other source out there that is not explicitly about programing.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Okay I'll concede that

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >exhale mouth
      Why? Sounds dumb.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, it depends on how fat we're talking here.
    You aren't getting shredded as a beginner, mostly your target will be around 20% bodyfat, and from there you'll start little cycles of gaining and losing weight, always around 18-22%.
    Or you could do it with bigger swings either way, you gotta find your own balance.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    isn't mark rippetoe the guy who uses that fake pic of a jacked guy? pretty sure it's mark rippetoe, lyle mcdonald, or one of those types.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      cope troony

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >roger estep
        heh, yeah, I thought mark rippetoe was the one using the fake

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's Roger Estep, anon.
        I don't think Rippetoe uses the pic himself, though. Dunno where the confusion started.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        do pics of young rippetoe exist?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No
          He was born a pink, chubby, 65-year-old Texan

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I love mark and his no nonsense ways

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I love mark and his no nonsense ways
          he lost me when he started catfishing as estep

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            He lost me when he told me personally on his forum that I did Not Do The Program™ because I was 6’0@185 lbs.
            Never milk your heroes.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's not why he told you that (but the fact of being 185lbs at 6'0 is a bit weird, clearly you're not doing the program) Get to 200lbs, start the texas method after
              >b-b-but... I'l get
              >fat
              No. you won't. You'll get big. You'll get strong. From then on you can dick around and do whatever. TWNRV

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’m bulking up to 200 lbs and currently running LP. 6’0@172 lbs, 255x5/210x4/315x5
                Look here it is. Actually the question I was asking on his forum was related to 4 day TM.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >troony

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think its good to start with but eventually you read through other books and learn to incorporate other aspects into your programming.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      i'm also curious about other books

      I would consider this book the "main book". Starting Strength is more about the technique and execution of the main lifts. It barely touches on programming at all.

      [...]
      Could you recommend some? I've definitely relied on this book extensively because I've never seen anything as rigorous. I know Bill Starr's wrote some stuff, but I always assumed that this book was the distillation of his work.

      >Starting Strength is more about the technique and execution of the main lifts
      Can this be replaced by other books or videos? I find it easier to understand technique/execution related topics through video whereas for programming I believe i'll be better off with reading. I also have not found any alternative sources that discuss programming without asking shilling a subscription

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I also have not found any alternative sources that discuss programming
        Check out Alexander Bromley on youtube. Nowadays he makes gay long format videos for normal clicks, but a few years ago when the channel had a couple of thousand subs he just made videos of him going through different programming with a whiteboard. Worth to watch to get an overview.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for posting anon. I did a modified version of the first method, where rather than alternate OHP and Bench weekly, I just did a rotation of Volume Press/Volume Bench/Intensity Press/Intensity bench. It's more effective because it allows you to get more pressing volume, but I think method 2 is still better. I plan to begin an upper-body only version of it later this year.

      i'm also curious about other books
      [...]
      >Starting Strength is more about the technique and execution of the main lifts
      Can this be replaced by other books or videos? I find it easier to understand technique/execution related topics through video whereas for programming I believe i'll be better off with reading. I also have not found any alternative sources that discuss programming without asking shilling a subscription

      >Can this be replaced by other books or videos?
      Mark Rippetoe's "Art of Manliness" series on youtube goes over the squat, deadlift, press, and bench forms. Tbh, bench and press are stupidly easy to learn. The squat will take the most practice.

      >I know Bill Starr's wrote some stuff, but I always assumed that this book was the distillation of his work.
      Nah read the strong shall survive. Also check out bill starr’s Hopkins program

      Noted. Thanks anon.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that RippedToe deliberately and covertly marketed himself as Estep to build credibility, knowing that mills and zoomers would side-eye his fatass self.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    you need to know what matters to you, do you want hypertrophy or strength, it's fine to have a preference for either but no method is optimal for both. If you want hypertrophy periodization doesn't matter, don't let powerlifters psyop you into doing some strength routine that doesn't fit your goals.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you want hypertrophy periodization doesn't matter
      you're wrong about this one

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no method is optimal for both
      Doing strength for hypertrophy is better than doing hypertrophy for strength. Especially when you're a beginner. Once you're in the intermediate phase of training, then I'd say hypertrophy can be focused on more, because most hypertrophy programs actually incorporate heavy lifts that beginners wouldn't be able to do.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    what is your point exactly?

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