LOL

Its funny because people think it takes 10 years to build a good body from the gym

In reality you make 70-80% of your life-time gains in your first 12 months of training.

You can literally catch up to most 10 year lifters within 1 year.

For some reason nobody seems to ever talk about this or mention it.... I guess im the only honest person here, everyone just seems to lie for some reason

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everybody knows about noob gains & that gains slow down. But this '70-80% of the gains you'll ever make will be in your first year' you've got absolutely no idea if that's necessarily true. You're just throwing numbers around.
    Your reply to this post will not contain any evidence for your stupid untrue claim.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh and the other thing LOL

    When people say

    >No, he is natural bro!, he's been lifting for 10+ years bro!, if you lift for that long and do it right, people will accuse you of steroids!!!!

    Fucking LOL

    The people saying this have to be young and ignorant, only someone who hasn't lifted, or thinks 10 years is a long time (they're probably 15 years old the people saying this) actually believe this non-sense crap.

    Lifting for 10 years doesn't magically make you look like a steroid user.

    You make 70-80% of your gains in the first 12 months (1 year)

    You then make the next 20-30% of your gains in Year 2/3

    By the end of year 3, you're basically at 99-100% of your potential noticeable gains that you will ever make in your life, but honestly there's not much of a big difference between you having 70-80% of your gains vs having 100% of your natural gains, it really is not a massive difference, it's a minor difference.

    So this whole thing of making gains year after year after year after year and each year making you look different, is utterly delusional.

    The only way to make noticeable changes after 1-3 years is to do crazy insane bulks where you put in 50 pounds of fat, and then proceed to lose the 50 pounds of fat, and look exactly like you did before you did the bulk/cut started cycle.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Timestamped body or stfu

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That guy is probably 55-60kg at 6ft

      Yes, even just doing some kind of terrible bro-split routine with low frequency you can look like that in 12 months no issue if you have the same insertions and bodyfat%

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you don't look better than that after 1 year of lifting you need to CUT brother. It's not hard

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's more like 2-3 years for 70%.

    I went from 62kg -> 73kg first year
    73kg -> 81kg 2nd year
    81kg -> 94kg 3rd year

    Started at like 5% bf (very skinny could be even lower) and am now around 10-12% bf at 183cm height.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If it took you 2-3 years to hit 70% it means you are probably a naturally skinny guy who doesn't eat much.

      If you eat any normal amount of calories in a western country and aren't a natural under-eater, you will achieve 70-80% of your life-time gains in the first 12 months.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're right bro, and just to rub it in to all these liars you should post body

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would i post body again?

      I started lifting in 2012, my 2015 body is basically the same as it is right now in 2023 give or take a few kg. No difference you'll see in pictures. In-fact lighting and angles and shadows will create more of a difference than a few kg of muscle, muscle is very small and dense, its hard to really notice it. on a body unless you have significant amounts of it
      I gained roughly 20kg of lean muscle mass in 3 years (2012 > 2015) and since then maybe Ive gained 1 or 2kg.

      You aren't going to notice 20kg +gain of muscle mass from 2012 - 2015 and +1-2kg of muscle mass gained 2015 - 2023.

      Diminishing returns hits hard when it comes to this "sport" and I dont understand why this information comes as a shock to people when I post about it here. This is just common sense. I guess because nobody talks about it nobody knows.

      Only high IQ autists like me notice this shit, normalfags just quit lifting during the first 1-3 years so they never realize, and other serious lifters just jump on steroids by that point, so I guess what happens is only autists like me who keep lifting for 10+ years naturally actually realize this reality.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why would i post body again?
        Why wouldn't you?

        https://i.imgur.com/UDqb0W5.jpg

        >should post body

        I've been lifting for 6 months. Started at 160lbs 5'10 Jan 2022, now 195lbs Jan 2023. All natty except SARMs, it's possible bro.

        Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >should post body

      I've been lifting for 6 months. Started at 160lbs 5'10 Jan 2022, now 195lbs Jan 2023. All natty except SARMs, it's possible bro.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Worthless without a timestamp you retard

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Listen here cunt. I'm not going to take my shirt off, walk to the bathroom, walk back to thr study to get a pen and paper, walk back to the bathroom, take a photo for you then upload it.

          I'm natty and those are my stats and that is me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah cardio kills gains

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >all natty except sarms

        GUYS, I AM NATTY IF YOU DISCOUNT THE STEROIDS

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks SARMs are steroids

          Tell me you're an idiot, without telling me you're an idiot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >"haha you think performance enhancing drugs are performance enhancing drugs!"

            Sarms means not natty stop the copium.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >SARMs are performance enhancing drugs

              You know.. we have Google in 2023. One search and you can look at what SARMs are actually designed for. By your theory, drinking a black cup of coffee pre-workout makes you enhanced.

              Top lel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"just google SARMS bro, they aren't steroids!"

                >le googles sarms...

                "Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) area class of therapeutic compounds that have similar anabolic properties to anabolic steroids"

                I really don't have to say it at this point, but you are a retarded, coping roidchud. Kek.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) area class of therapeutic compounds that have similar anabolic properties to anabolic steroids
                >similar anabolic properties to steroids
                >similar anabolic properties
                >similar

                Thanks for proving my point. They're not steroids but have similar properties. Similar you idiot

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hahahaha

                SO YOU ARENT NATTY IF YOU TAKE SARMS YOU STUPID FUCK LOLL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >takes protein powder
                >takes creatine
                >takes BCAAs
                >hurr that's natty bro! Not SARMs!!!

                Imbecile.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks sarms are the same as protein powder or creatine

                you really are retarded coping

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All those things assist in anabolism and would hold anabolic properties. You absolute dunce.

                Post body. I guarantee you're a skinny little homo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So which foods are sarms naturally found in the way protein (a macronutrient, no less) and creatine are then? Retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                None of that shit has "SIMILAR EFFECTS TO ANABOLIC STEROIDS"

                pathetic chud

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >All natty except SARMs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >roiding for this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thats actually really impressive if true,most people I know on Sarms made 0 visual chances ,but atleast the scale said they gained a couple of pounds and lofts increased.
          But Im serious no changes as in they looked the exact fucking same after 2 sarm cycles.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks bro. Getting a lot of hate here but I guarantee I MOG lifters that are 2+ years in. I work my ass off for that physique, SARMs did very little of it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SARMs can be stronger than steroids. It is time to get off of those before you go blind or your dick shrinks

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I always think those noob gains have that fluffy look, and it's usually arms, chest, lats. You see a seasoned lifter, natty, they keep their routine, bf% low, maintain their diet, they have a hardness and striation to their musculature and the smaller muscle groups have a refined quality. That takes years to finesse. So it's a yes but a no.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they have a hardness and striation to their musculature and the smaller muscle groups have a refined quality.

      This is retarded shit Ive heard people say for ages.

      There's no truth to it at all.

      I've seen newfags comes into the gym 120lbs soaking wet skinny as hell with 0 definition and by the end of the year be 160lbs shredded with dense/striated muscles, and these guys are natty.

      Ive been lifting for 20+ years natty, I can tell the difference between those who are natty vs those who are not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I've seen newfags comes into the gym 120lbs soaking wet skinny as hell with 0 definition and by the end of the year be 160lbs shredded
        >natty

        You're pretty dumb for someone who has been lifting for 20+ years. I pity you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's a lot of truth to this. The fluffy look is when an increase in volume increases your non-fat but also non-muscle mass. It's just water and some science words like glycogen or sarcowhatever. It does increase performance and so it technically is gains but what the dudes who've been there for years have that noobs don't is significantly more actual muscle fiber gains, which came every time the weight or reps with a given weight increased. Really the only misconception with this general idea is that it necessarily takes 10 years and that doing ten years of more volume with the same weight and reps will even achieve it.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Exposed yourself for being DYEL.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's why he won't post his body.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think it's as drastic as OP claims but there's some definite truth to it. Fitness is a game of rapidly diminishing returns. Most people, both natties and roidtrannies, would hit 95% of their potential within 3 to 4 years. It really doesn't make sense to lift past that point for more than maintenance. I mean look at olympic athletes. They all peak at 20-25 and then proceed to have another decade of a declining career while continuing to work their asses off on gear every day. Life isn't fucking anime, you don't break your limits with persistence alone. Guys eho spend decades in a gym do it out of habit, it's their smoking.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is actually true if you learn fast and/or are already have a natural inclination to the exertion of maximum skeletomuscular tension. Nothing is actually stopping you from adapting to stimulus quickly if you actually do it, otherwise we would just die. But most won't actually do much of anything most of the time. 99% of workouts are wasted and tangible progress is accidentally squeezed in there once every month or so. Rapid adaptation will never apply to someone with 90IQ who moves so lackadaisical that he makes a pair of shoes stay fresh for 10 years, aka the average man. Or in other words, the lowest common denominator, who standard advice is aimed at. Furthermore even if you are equipped to do it quick, you also have to be tough enough to handle it. The most optimal training plan is only really optimal for a handful of men and everyone else would move faster on a lighter workload that won't break them the fuck off.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does it make people seethe so hard when I tell them this reality?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because they suck at lifting and they're not very smart. What did you expect?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok can you post body?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He already did.

      https://i.imgur.com/UDqb0W5.jpg

      >should post body

      I've been lifting for 6 months. Started at 160lbs 5'10 Jan 2022, now 195lbs Jan 2023. All natty except SARMs, it's possible bro.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't realize sarm rage was a thing till I saw this thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Ostarage is real

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dude! Those are totally epic wholesome chungus roids that affect androgens like "actual" steroids but aren't steroids!

        >I'm natty except for sarms!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Post body or go homo.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you're obsessed with gays, do sarms gaymaxx you?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, just like tren but not really cause I'm natty!!

              I'm trans by the way

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm on tren but I'm natty because the voices in the wall told me that

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I actually never made noob gains. I am not sure why. I always thought maybe i was too athletic and strong already so when I started lifting my body didn't respond the way a complete beginner would. Or maybe I just gain slow and steadily.

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