Looks to me like the seedoil thing is more of a meme than actual science
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/scientists-debunk-seed-oil-health-risks/
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>soientists defend soi
Big surprise.
Yeah no shit Sherlock
morons here look for any excuse they can get to justify why the don’t get anywhere in life
into the trash it goes
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>harvard
dropped instantly
He is "right", omega 6 is actually less harmful than omega 3.
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I got my degree in nutrition almost 10 years ago and Harvard t. Chang school of pubic hearth was a meme back then too. You can usually assume the opposite of anything they say is true and save yourself the time of learning why.
Care to elaborate a bit? I believe you I just want to hear some details
They put out articles like these all the time
>there's been a lot of heterodoxy on X topic, here's why the orthodox position is correct
>trot out some """expert"""
>reference some study
>that's all folks! We're Right™
I think I was a sophomore and one of these articles was part of a class discussion, and because I obsessively did independent research I had studies bookmarked directly contradicting one of their articles; then it became a game of seeing what else they were lying about. I never found something they weren't at least moderately misrepresenting, so I stopped fact checking them.
Is it me or do they have a legitimate credibility crisis now? I actually want to believe them but they’ve been caught lying and making shit up so many times how could you possibly trust them especially when such an economically and politically powerful lobby is affected? Not to mention how can you trust anything now that mainstream education/media/government says it’s ok and completely normal to chop teenage boys dicks off?
There is no study on this earth that you can show me that will stop seed oils from making me shit myself
Its not that it's "toxic", it's just not a natural thing for our body to consume.
The process to extract the oil from seeds is complicated and not something our ancestors would have done. Wheras to get for example olive oil, you just need to squeeze olives, thats all.
Eating anything that is that ultra refined as a large part of your diet is not going to be good for you.
Of course just like anything, a small amount probably won't hurt you, but the problem is that seed oils are often one of the main ingredients in processed food because they are cheap and can be used to replace more expensive natural ingredients like butter and eggs.
>Eating anything that is that ultra refined as a large part of your diet is not going to be good for you.
why?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402009/
There's been more on this since then, you can look into it if you actually care; but it's just one example of how processing food makes it less healthy. Most slop nowadays is highly processed, meaning it's composed of processed processed foods.
Because refining something makes it more pure (think of pure sugar), and removes things that you would have eaten otherwise.
The things that are removed make your diet more balanced, things like vitamins, minerals and fiber. Our ancestors would have eaten those things and our body have evolved to find a use for them.
To this I'll add: if you took the amount of seeds it takes to make some seed oil, and ate them over a resonable period of time, that would be fine even though you would still consume that same amount of seed oil.
>Its not that it's "toxic",
No, they literally are.
They're highly oxidative and because they're highly refined they lack antioxidants to keep them stable.
They spontaneously go rancid after just a few days even at room temperature.
Oxidative damage in the body can cause blood clots and heart disease (among many other things)
>its been debunked
>me: by who?
Ok the 400% increase in sneed oil consumption corresponding directly to the 400% increase in obesity rates is just a coincidence yeah ok bud
>Linoleic acid is important for the production of cell membranes and skin health. Cooking oils are a major source, but you can also get it from nuts, seeds, meat, and eggs.
just eat nuts, seeds, meat and eggs as usual
>Those who suggest you avoid seed oils advise using avocado, coconut, or olive oils instead. Avocado and olive oils are mostly monounsaturated fat, which is heart healthy. But 82 percent of the fat in coconut oil is saturated, so it should be kept to a minimum in your diet.
use olive oil as usual
literally nothing new
This. They're just repeating the same old talking points
>Linoleic acid is important for the production of cell membrane
moron take. Necessary doesn't mean more is better.
Ray peat has some excellent articles on this. Pufas aren't an essential nutrient. And its impossible to complete eliminate than anyway.
>coconut oil is saturated
Does this even need any addressing at this point?
Yeah everyone getting heart disease from coconuts oh wait actually it's the fricking meat, stupid.
I would say use Avocado oil to for higher temp cooking, since olive oil becomes carcinogenic after it gets above 375.
>"essential" linoleic acid
Read this, zoyboy. The least amount of linoleic acid in the feed, the better the rat's health was.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200117080827.htm
I'm generally opposed to any oils added to foods because it increases the caloric content too much.
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>While it's true that many foods that use seed oils such as packaged snacks and french fries are unhealthy-
That's all I need to hear.
Why would they lie about this? I thought liberal intellectuals love science? Here's just two sources from credible sources.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200117080827.htm
https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/161/2/bqz044/5698148?login=false
Look up PUFAs on Wikipedia. There's a table of oils by % lipid content as well as omega6 etc. Guess which will frick you? Sneed oils.
Another problem is those PUFAs are already PRESSED and unbound. They are highly reactive and rancid by the times they hit the store shelves. There is no way they are healthy. Even that one with high omega3 only has the shitty plant version that relies on scarce enzymatic activity in your body to convert it into being useful.
It's a lesser issue than the frank metabolic effect, but seed oils also contain phytosterols, which are endocrine disruptors and pass the blood brain barrier. Not ideal.
good point
Solvent extraction.
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I fricking love science so fricking much.
Brainlet here, so what oils do I cook with (not seed oils obviously).
....butter?
Butter, tallow, olive oil are the big three. Ghee is great for high temperature cooking, easy to make it yourself. Coconut oil is fine too. Oils with a similar fatty acid profile to olive oil, such as avocado oil and high linoleic safflower oil, are okay, but I wouldn't use them as a staple.
Avocado is another one, but that shit is expensive.
Succinct and useful, thanks senpai.
I'm half moronic, I meant high oleic safflower oil. Regular safflower oil is already high linoleic, which is the crux of the Sneed oil question. It's useful in a pinch for one-off frying, or to make mayonnaise. I hardly ever use it.
Well, if the heckin scientisterinos say it, it must be true!
Some seed oils give me inflammation. The less I take, the less my joints ache, it's that simple for me.