>makes baldies seethe
>literally every handsome bodybuilder, Hollywood actor, and any man who “aged like fine wine” kept their hair
What are the downsides? I can’t seem to find any. Unless you’re one of the few lucky Ronald Reagan types who are blessed with hair genetics, I don’t see why anyone would willingly go bald in 2023
Because diabetics and lardasses complain about ED after taking it. Their sexual health was entirely reliant on DHT, and once that's removed the years of not doing any cardio or kegels eventually resulted in limp dick syndrome. Sad! Many such cases!
What is also funny is that non-fatties wait so long to get on finasteride that by the time they get on it they get age related libido and erection changes then blame finasteride. Look, do not wait until it is too late or you are in your 30s. It is like waiting to go to the gym when you are 50 years old.
finasteride gave me erectile dysfunction at 19 years old
no it didnt
no DHT on the body makes your dick smaller
Elaborate Having DHT makes it small or not having DHT makes it small
you know what's better? not taking a drug prescribed to actual trannies and still having your hair because you're not genetic trash
>makes holding onto their hair baldies like OP seethe
>"not genetic trash"
>has weak androgen receptors.
keep yapping bald incel
but... he isn't bald... because he takes finasteride... lol...
demoralizing baldies and hairbros, you can’t have it both ways mr. on the verge of losing it all
Actually baldies have upregulated androgen receptors which is often due to low testosterone levels. Upregulated receptors = more methylation = damage = dysfunction
Trannies don't need fin, they just take hrt for greater effect.
Or you could simply not care and just shave it off. Just remember that every single girl without daddy issues and who's dad is bald will find bald men attractive.
>without daddy issues and who's dad is bald
Wouldn't girls with daddy issues be more attracted to men who look like their dad?
The term "daddy issues" usually denotes some kind of relationship problem, anon. Daughters who don't have daddy issues usually loves their dads...
What is it you don't understand?
I just never fully understood what that term really means because it seems like dudes use it every time their girl does something weird.
I thought it was like a female Oedipus complex thing.
Within Freud's theoretical framework of stages of development children were thought to go through an Oedipal stage in early childhood (sexual attraction to the parent of the opposite sex, rivalry with the parent of the same sex). A child who develops properly will grow out of this phase, however.
Freud aside, it is largely accepted that there is a correlation between how attractive a man finds a woman and how similar that woman is in appearance to his mother. The same applies to females and I've never heard or read anything to the contrary.
Yes, FtM take it because introducing testosterone increases DHT which in turns rapes their hairlines.
you know what's better? dutasteride.
That's what they always say before the reaper cometh and taketh.
damn look at all this SEETHE
unironically knew a dude who would say exactly the same thing as you did when he was 22. fast forward to 25 he's a norwood 3 with shit density
the reaper can get you at any moment and you can lose your hair super quick if you're unlucky
Downsides include cost, potential sides(some of which are very gnarly), slightly embarrassing if people see. I use it though.
>cost
Mine is like .50¢ a pill and I only use half every day. If you can't afford that, I'm sorry your black/mexican
>potential sides
Yea but you can just start with a small dose (I did .25 a day for the first 6 months ) and if you notice sides just stop taking it and you’ll be fine in 1-2 weeks.
I don’t know which one I like more, the
>I took fin for 2 days 6 years ago and I haven’t been able to get a boner since!
Or the
>I took fin and started getting side affects after 15 years
Crowds.
>$10 a month
>nocebo from fat coping 40 year olds
>fricking actual nonsense
imagine these being the reason you lose your hair
I'm in top health and my dick felt funny the first week taking this, which probably scares off 90% of the "ohno mudikc!!!" crowd. It went away after 2 weeks though.
The worst it does is make your load smaller if you jack off everyday like me.
that's the redpill
It saves your hair by lowering the conversion rate of testosterone to DHT. Some people get really bad sides from this (dick stops working, etc.)
t. use fin without sides at 0.5mg/day, had sides at 1mg
The cure for baldness is literally just taking a pill which has no side effects 98% of the time. Instead of celebrating, the morons on here cry and fling their shit like monkeys.
100% of men have side effects
You can do scalp massages to loosen tight skin and prevent hair loss with 100% no side effects. You can do cardio and take nitrix oxide donators like citrulline and increase the blood flow to your scalp to prevent any hair loss and get a bonus of syronger and longer erection.
Only imbiciles go through hormonal theraphy for trannies to keep their hair. But the pill is easier than actually solving the problem.
>do scalp massages to loosen tight skin and prevent hair loss with 100% no side effects.
Scalp massages will not save the hair on your head. Most tight scalps are caused by dihydrotestosterone induced scarring. Reduce dht and you reduce scarring. Botox and platelet rich plasma injections into the scalp also help. Do not think you can massage your way out of being a pinhead
Scaring is the result of a tight scalp, not the other way around.
Scalp massages don't do shit and Rob English is a fricking fraud.
DHT-induced hair loss causes lack of blood flow to the follicle, not the other way around.
Can I regrow mine with this shit? Am I too far gone?
fin doesnt regrow it ll just stop receding more min regrows some but u seem pretty fricked anon...
What are the chances of those miracle regrowths I seen on reddit? I am very unhappy with my hair.
Go back
The only thing right now is a hair transplant and that does the job. The next wave of tech there are “cloned” or engineered hairs/follicles that they transplant in that basically just don’t fall out.
We are still a few years away from the hair cloning tech becoming widely available
This is pretty moronic, all trials that are made with this and other pharmaceutical for hair states "we saw 9-10 new hair per cm2!" Yet whenever someone asks if it can regrow hair, every answer is always "it only keeps what you currently have", now whats the truth
why did you take years before you decided to do something?
Corona kind of fricked up my life and I was too depressed and shaved it off then I noticed that female attention is getting rare. I was afraid of fin, asked for it 2 times over a year ago but doc told me both fin and min stupid and dangerous and useless.
Right temple is ravaged as frick. I see some weak baby hairs, maybe the rosemary helps but I'm afraid this needs either transplant or heavy intervention.
Idgf about my sperm anymore I want my hair back.
Dermapen and minoxidil (and ideally fin too) especially if you see baby hairs. It means they’re not completely dead and they could potentially turn terminal again. That’s what happened for me, I had a lot of baby hairs on my temples and a decent number came back with dermaoen and minoxidil
Lmao not that anon but same hairline, it didnt take years it took like 2-3 months for it to get this bad, basically overnight. I didnt even realize it before it was too late
You are ripe for transplant
I have the exact same hairline. I'm 26. Strongly considering >just shaving it off.
I would shave it off. I did, it wasn't super bad but my hairline is very asymmetrical and creeped even further back. 3 years ago it was viable but I refuse to do it anymore. If yours is not asymmetric then try it out. Unfortunately my right temple and side is twice as bad.
How much time until I can expect regrowth from fin min? Will I know pretty fast if I'm a responder? I don't wanna go around like this for years.
It started 7 years ago already, it has always been very slow and gradual and then suddenly in the past year or so my hairline just dropped off a cliff. I've also started getting comments from everyone suddenly "hey anon, I think you're balding!"
Rip bro. I've been concerned about mine for over 7 years too, I'm 35now. 5 years ago it was salvageable, now it looks grim but inspecting pics from 3 years ago it was probably same shit even back then. Health issues and skin problems were a big with mine, hope to see regrowth but lot of time passed...
I grew out my hair and from a short persons perspective when it's freshly washed and properly styled it's managable but 90% of times this is not possible.
I hope some anons have some experience with regrowth. Don't wanna travel down to Turkey/Thailand for a transplant.
Here I am shilling transplants + fin/mix for free again. My suggestion is to try a topical finasteride + minoxidil mixture for 6-8 months and then get a transplant if you aren't satisfied with the results. You are going to want to stay on the fin+min 4ever though, since non transplanted hair will eventually fall to the Norwood reaper if you don't.
frick yeah, it's le macron. he's back!
With fin and minoxidil you will likely get some regrowth. But more importantly you will maintain what you have left and in a few years could save up for a transplant. For 8000 dollars you could fix that easily.
Fin regrows some hair in 60% of patients after two years
Some regrowth, mostly maintenance. A good transplant will fix you forever (if you stay on fin)
Yup
It isn't and yet fin is incredibly well tolerated. Read some studies instead of incel subreddits.
Literally every major study, in every country, shows finasteride is incredibly well tolerated. You aren't wrong, we do produce DHT for a reason, but after puberty it doesn't have much use. Testosterone seems to be able to fill in for it, most men get zero sides, of those that do they tend to be mild and go away after a couple of weeks. A minuscule percentage gets persistent sides, like less than 1/2000, maybe 1/10000
For most men that risk is worth keeping their hair
Literally every major study in every country involving finasteride is horse shit. Dick not working beats balding any day on pain scale
I was afraid of dick not working but got on it when I started norwood 2 vortex-ing. I had fin dick when I was taking 1mg every 3 days but once I dropped back to one 1mg tab every monday it went back to normal. I think sides only happen when you take too much.
It's an insane risk. You had sides and continued, I broke my dick before and it was hell, worse than any balding.
Holy shit, Shlomo. Chill the frick out.
>but after puberty it doesn't have much use.
Yes, it does. Have you ever taken Methenolone or Mesterolone? Oh, I forgot you're a scared homosexuals who's afraid of his hair like a woman. If you had ever taken one of these you would know the effect of DHT, especially the mental one. You're claiming it doesn't affect you but here you are, crying about your hair like a woman. The problem with mental side effects is you don't usually notice them.
Frick. My shit looks real Bad ehh? Transplant? Problems it's seems like most of the damage occurred couple years back so I can't really expect regrowth right? Im sad as frick. Raki g these pics and realising Im nw3 now I got it why women tend to not give me much attention anymore
You should have been on fin years ago buddy
Don't listen to the doomers, start ASAP and save the hair you still have, save for a transplant down the line and won't be as expensive as if you lost all of your hair
fin probably not but many people have had some nice regrowth on dutasteride
What are the downsides of dutasteride vs finasteride? What about using both? I noticed there are topicals that combine both finasteride and dutasteride.
No point in using both, they do the same thing but dut does it better. The downside is it nukes your DHT and there are gonna be some consequences for that
Then why does anyone opt for finasteride over dutasteride if they do the same thing but dutasteride is more effective?
Different price and also, since dut is stronger than fin, people are scared to get sides sooner than fin
Troon pills
>blocks your path
83 btw.
not taking the trannie drug moshie
>chemical castration has no downsides
Explain yourselves. I no longer care about sides. Doesn't matter if I can't reproduce with cute 20 year olds and gets young waifu to bear my children
you won't get a young wife whether you take finasteride or not lol
Frick off shitskin crab. I will. Don't project your misery
Then why not take it? the cons are already there, the pros is feeling better about himself
He is a bald seething chink crab. You also make a very good point.
because DHT is a very important hormone, especially for your brain
Children seem to do fine without it,in fact they are way happier than us
cut off your balls then
Eunuchs seem to do fine without it,in fact they are way happier than us
Some religious people did that in the past actually kek
But yeah you dont really need testosterone,dht and all that shit, and the prove is everyone else but grown men.
Im not advocating for cutting balls off or much less taking estrogen,but I dont think any of that stuff is that important.
and you still retain 30% of your DHT on finasteride, which is more than sufficient for your brain. its the same arguments with you people who refuse to be honest about why you dislike finasteride. you pretend the reason is medical or scientific, when there are meta-analyses and systematic reviews against you that get posted every single day. so what is the real reason you personally oppose finasteride?
cutting an androgen by 70% is not insignificant lmao
I don't like finasteride because it has transformed most modern men into weak beta males
>I don't like finasteride because it has transformed most modern men into weak beta males
5% of men take Finasteride? 10%?? Cmon man
every guy I've asked is taking it
most don't mention it
That wasn't finasterid but microplastics, xenoestrogens, fluoride, goyslop food, school system and israelites.
>"finasteride has transformed most modern men into weak beta males"
LMAO the actual core belief behind your average anti-finasteride poster. yeah, only weak beta males choose to keep their hair! you should just go bald and look like an adult baby so that you're more alpha! maybe you should try using all that DHT in your brain to come up with an intelligent post for once.
fin fricks seething
>caring about aesthetics and not raw power
yeah im thinking beta male
What are you on about? You're pretending that 99% take it when it's barely 1% and a lot of those are probably geriatrics with prostate hyperplasia.
>muh hair
>muh looks at 60
you gays are so unbelievably gay I wonder how your ancestors reproduced at all
If you take fin for 5 years and suddenly stop does the balding progress as normal or is it like a retroactive payback and you lose tons of hair?
As you grow older your DHT sensitivity increases so you will likely lose it all very quickly yes.
It would be cool if they actually invented a cream or some shit to reduce dht sensitivity in the scalp huh?
Rosemary oil does that but you look like a greasy nigro so can't wear it during the day
AFAIK fin just “pauses” balding, so cessation will just unpause it.
Does it make sense to take this when doing TRT to stop any potential hair loss? What dosage is a good start?
.25 mg or .50 mg
I would assume that is standard protocol. But i have no idea
gave me weak erections after one 1mg pill. i didn't have a full hormone panel but i was at 700 total t and 13%bf. didn't care to pursue further at a smaller dose
This drug is for coping mutt manlets losing the one thing they barely had going for them. Just accept it little guy lmao, maybe get a personality?
>Replies are increasing but poster count isn't
.......
There are two reasons why someone would shill Fin or any kind of medication no one NEEDS in here
a) They are actually paid israelite shills
b) They know they shouldn't be taking it but they want to pull on other people so they're not alone (like with drugs)
Which one is it?
Why can that be the only two reasons?
Why can't it be?
People that have taken it and had good experiences with it and recommend it to others to help people out?
you cant expect poltards to have reasoning skills my man
anyone or anything that disagrees with them is a israeli psyop
poltards? But we are on fit?
first time?
haha yes xD
xd
it wasnt really talked about until like 5-10 years ago which would have been when i was 25. too bad for me.
you dodged a bullet bro
I'll just drop this for the hypochondriacs that fill this board: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/
Nocebo cucks are brain dead.
No medication has no side effects and the human body does not produce a single useless hormone. Not only is DHT important but DHT also has metabolites. You are denying biochemistry. You're either a israelite or a coping moron. You are actually in here trying to convince people to take a pharmaceutical which they don't need.
I'm trying to get people to use a pharmaceutical they don't need? When have I told anyone who isn't balding that they should get on finasteride? Answer: Never.
Dick health is more important than hair
But every study posted here shows that the ED myths are bullshit? One of those studies had over 17,000 participants... In fact, if you would have just looked at who the poster replied to before you replied to them, you would've seen this
So much for DHT helping your brain when 90% of anti-fin posters can't read two sentences before their coomer ADHD brain shuts down.
stupid shill goy
how is it not possible to understand what suppressing DHT does to your libido
What does suppressing DHT does to my libido then?
reduction
>But every study posted here shows that the ED myths are bullshit? One of those studies had over 17,000 participants... In fact, if you would have just looked at who the poster replied to before you replied to them, you would've seen
Like the vaxx, right?
and what's the point when you can't use your dick because no woman in the world wants to frick you to begin with. i'm 5'8" with a not so attractive face, when i buzzed my head female attention went down to absolute zero. i'll take the risk of weaker erections over the certainty of never having anyone attracted to me again. i can make my dick work with cialis if anything.
>When have I told anyone who isn't balding that they should get on finasteride?
People who bald don't need Finasteride either.
you're not here to help anyone. you're literally a bald crab cuck that's desperately trying to keep the other crabs in the bald bucket with you. you're worthless.
>hair transplant doctor
useless
This is me
I recommend topical fin because I tried orals and had terrible side effects. I didn't get ED, but I felt shitty and when I had an orgasm it felt like nothing at all. Like I would cum and there was just no pleasure to it. In addition to that, I think it caused swelling in my prostate because I was pissing way more often than usual.
I've been on topical fin for a year now and I've not experienced any noticeable negative side effects.
I have no issues on fin, and might try topical minoxidil later.
I am taking 1mg fin every day
Can't even tell really.
Genetic lottery, I guess.
>author is a dermatologist who are the least competent medical doctors
>article does notml mention allopregnanolone, 3a androstanediol or DHTs role as a neurosteroid
*I forgot
>author is Indian
only type 1 is responsible for MUH NEUROSTEROIDS which finasteride doesn't block.
>topical fin
lmfao this moron fell for a useless scam
Does topical not work? I've been using topical fin for months now with seemingly no effect, so I'm going to try oral fin soon.
>side effects stopped when the medication stopped, this means it was a nocebo
did they even think that line through lol
If the side effects were the result of the medication, they should have continued upon ceasing the medication for a while because the drug is systemic.
the half life is 6-8 hours lol
Oral finasteride takes effect via systemic absorption.
It takes 10 half lifes to reduce it to levels below 0.2%, so its actually around 4 days until you can use topical fin with no sides
Two groups received finasteride, but only one group was told about potential erectile dysfunction side-effects, and when both groups were later asked about ED side-effects, only that group that received the warning reported erectile dysfunction side-effects.
Maybe you should try using that "DHT" in your brain to understand basic scientific research.
Do you really want to get rid of these just for hair?
I don’t think finasteride is as bad as some people would have you believe, but you should exhaust the over-the-counter methods that aren’t minoxidil (because minoxidil is arguably worst of all) before you take finasteride. Try ketoconazole, rosemary oil, castor oil, dermarolling, dermastamping, use a wide tooth comb, less hot showers, don’t scrub, anything you can to improve your hair. Personally, I found the above slowed my hair loss pretty dramatically. I have a Norwood II/III and I’m now in my 30s. So if that’s all I have by the time I’m 40, that is not bad in my opinion.
how do you accept minoxidils risk and not finasteride?
Finasteride also has risk, but the risk isn’t heart-related. In my mind, a dysfunctional penis is definitely less risky than a dysfunctional heart, which is a potential side effect from minoxidil.
I can't even apply minoxidil once without getting heart palpitations
This shit gave me dick AND memory/cognition problems that nearly ruined my life.
Don't believe this frickhead.
If Finasteride was as harmless as fanboys insist, doctors would had it out like candy and we wouldn't even be having this discussion in the first place.
The only people who seethe are the coping homosexuals who actually take it.
Have fun being limp dicked.
They're doing some serious mental gymnastics in order to justify why they're suppressing the main male androgen in the body.
The hilarious thing is they can't wrap their heads around the idea of being laughed at by people with hair.
Every fintroony I've mocked has automatically assumed I'm bald.
the hierarchy is clearly:
chads with good hair genetics >>> men who go bald >>> finasteride trannies
>I would rather take drugs all my life to look pretty for people that don't give a shit.
Is it this hard to just b urself these days?
>Is it this hard to just b urself these days?
It only is if you're a permanently online sperg incabable of socialising.
baldness is equivalent of pcos. it comes from bad circulation and hyperglycemia with other stuff contributing. you need high shbg because it inactivates dht the most but has weak affnity for epitestosterone which is endogenous antagonist of androgen receptor and aromatase inhibitor. in androgenic tissues like hair and prostate androgen receptors are nearly saturated unlike in brain or muscles. low shbg is associated with insulin resistance and low fitness. look up what influences shbg and look up what happened to baldness rates in japan where before war they ate sib 10% of calories from fat to current times where tgey eat 20-30% which is recomended in west cause muh healthy fats.
I don't understand that all so what's the solution diet and lifestyle wise?
Minoxidil and dermapen is good too. This place save my hair. Was going to have a nw 3 and a bald spot. Can’t believe dermapen and minoxidil actually saved it (caught it reasonably early though). There are hairs on my temple where there haven’t been any for years
How many years we talking about? I'm catching up like 4 years late. I wanna know if it's over or not
I’d say that part at least a few years but it’s not like dense hair, at least not yet. I’d probably add in fin to the regimen if the spot is completely bald. Still it’s been pretty amazing though. Only caveat is progress is a bit slow
>tfw on actual hrt with tested female hormone levels and can still jerk off and cum(barely) 10+ times a day
honestly if you take fin and have trouble getting it up you probably had low tier breeding genetics to begin with
>captcha
pottery
>coomer with autogynophilia is still a coomer
Surprise surprise.
>started fin yesterday
>this thread
1 month in, feel the same, if not better. However feeling better has to do with less ISTIST consumption almost entirely.
what does are you taking? my prescription is for 1mg every day, seems to be pretty common
That's what I am taking, and I am a fat neet who may have low t, but still gets no negative sides...
I took fin 0.5mg daily for six months starting in November 2022. I'm currently taking a month off from it as I've heard some people take two weeks or a month off every six months. I decided to try that and see how I'd feel. My experience with this drug has been interesting.
I'll preface by saying I'm a depressed homosexual with a porn addiction, almost a NEET but not quite. I've improved somewhat in this time. I also think that before I started fin I was operating at a much lower level of testosterone than I am now, maybe I was even clinically low T. When I'd fap afterwards I'd get this really drained hangover feeling, like all the energy and confidence had been sucked out of me. This doesn't happen anymore; post-fap does lull me a bit but I don't feel zombified, and this change happened like three days after starting fin. Also right when I started fin my erection quality improved big time and I also became much hornier. This eventually settled down after about month. I wasn't quite as horny then (there was less "urge") but if I wanted to fap I could (and I still did it far too much, frequency was the same). Also my erection quality remained better but not as good as the first month that I started it. I have a theory that since I was low T, the boost in testosterone that finasteride caused in expense of DHT was highly beneficial to me. I became more confident on the drug as well and found it easier to get out of bed, I felt less depressed. Also btw the drug totally worked for my hair. I had some minor early thinning on my scalp and fin filled it in well.
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Now for the downsides. My facial hair is pretty shit and I think fin made it a bit worse (this reversed after stopping). It also made my voice a little less deep -- I THINK. Now I don't know if I imagined this but I think fin gave me less sharp while I was on it. In the beginning I definitely had pronounced brainfog but that past. Since I've stopped the drug at the start of June I feel a bit sharper. The other difference is in sleep quality. I think I sleep much better without fin. When I wake up in the morning I feel like I'm actually waking up from a deep slumber whereas on fin I slept much lighter.
I was worried that once I stopped fin I'd go back to feeling as shitty as I did before starting it and that my improved confidence and erections would go away. This hasn't been the case. It's like my body has adapted to the increased test level it got from the fin and now that's the new standard. Actually since stopping the drug my confidence increased further. I also got that greater urge to fap more back. Also my voice is very deep again. I've been paying attention to that scalp burning sensation which to me signals DHT frying my hair follicles and it really doesn't seem that pronounced anymore, even though I've stopped taking fin. I remember before I started fin my scalp would be burning all the time however once I started fin that sensation almost entirely went away but I'd still get it occasionally. The frequency of that scalp burning of when I was taking fin to now hasn't seemed to have changed much.
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Idk. I'm planning to not take fin at all for three months and to try getting as IST as I can, hit the gym loads, eat healthy, quit porn/masturbation etc and see how I feel. I'll get full bloodwork done then just to see what my healthy baseline looks like. After that I'll try restarting the drug (only if it seems like my scalp has started worsening again). If I notice that fin makes me feel dumber again then Idk if I'll keep taking it. Overall though this drug has helped me out a shittonne and I'm glad I took it but I'm iffy about restarting it. I really feel like it's miraculously helped out my hormonal balance and brought me to a new test baseline even after stopping it.
Reminder that there are literal pharma shills on this board.
Fin is a troony drug, peroid.
ok baldie
MtF trannies take finasteride because, unsurprisingly, men who want to be women don’t want to be bald. They don’t take it because it turns them into a woman. You and the others like you are idiots.
Exactly, a balding or bald "woman" breaks the illusion.
it must be a coincidence that finasteride causes micropenis and the cure for micropenis is DHT
I don't care if there is even 1% chance of any side effects. Being bald sucks, but at the end of the day health is more important.
Does a low dose like 0.25 lower dht just enough to stop hair loss without having any sides?
I 2nd this.
It depends on the person.
Yes I'm a fan of low dosages. I used to take 1mg every day then reduced to 3x a week then 2x a week and now just once a week. I get let sides and I'm still keeping my hair.
I have been on fin for 5 years now in total
If you're genetically pre-disposed to losing your hair you lost the genetic lottery. Understand your place.
Sure but id rather lose them after 40 and not in my 20s lol
Doesnt anyone else see how one of the sides is much more EVIL than the other, sure maybe the other one is wrong but lets examine
>Pro Fin
Take Finasteride to keep your hair and be happy
Done,Thats literally their whole talking point meanwhile the talking point of Anti Fin users...
>Anti Fin
You are TRASH,Genetic Trash,have a nice day
You are a troony, a transexual, you arent even a man
Enjoy your broken dick ,broken brain etc
Looking at this from the outside If I had to make a choice I think I know what I would rather pick
Every fin poster at one point without hesitation has posted about how they want bald people to kill themselves and talk about how subhuman they are.
Every post calling you a troony/broke dick boi is the cause/effect of finguys ferociously pushing their standards onto other dudes. You're not exactly letting people live and let live like you claim.
Show me one screencap of that,Ill check this thread later
>Every fin poster at one point without hesitation has posted about how they want bald people to kill themselves and talk about how subhuman they are.
I don't think I will
The correct thing to do is just try finasteride if you're losing hair and want to stop it. That's it lol. A small percentage of people get sides; if you get sides you stop the drug and go back to normal. Now some people claim "post-finasteride syndrome" exists and that it's permanent. I have no idea if it's a real thing or not but if it is real that shit is EXTREMELY unlikely to happen to you going by reddit post-fin board forum and propecia help total member numbers (like 1.5K each). The boards are barely active, too, and the members have videos on youtube that get like 10-15 views a piece, it's pathetic. Considering finasteride has been on the market since the fricking 90s and has had millions upon millions of men take it for years and years, your likelihood of ending up with "post-fin syndrome" is like 1 in a 100,000 (if it's even real). If you're not prepared to accept these odds then don't ever take the drug. Yet on IST we will have this thread every single day, the constant war between so-called fintrannies and bald crabs, that will go on and on ad infinitum. Maybe y'all should stop caring what other morons think. Stoicism is the way forward.
i don't want young men to take fin because I genuinely believe they will be happier with the increased libido and aggression from DHT compared to holding onto their hair
nulified by the depression caused to young men by going bald far earlier than all their peers
If you care that much you are a massive homosexuals.
slaphead cope.
What if you take only a half pill every 2nf day or something.
Or use topical fin with your min?
You're obviously a Fin shill, because you post like a woman.
So has anyone had results actually improving their hairline around their temples with finasteride? I’ve got a bit of a Vegeta thing going on.
It doesn't improve anything. It just stops you from balding.
I seen miracle regrowths on preddit. Dunno the circumstances but sometimes it happens.
I wouldn't bet on it
I have to. I'm seriously depressed over my nw3.
The only real question is whether it has permanent side effects. After doing my research, I don’t believe that it does.
I dont get it, if fin really breaks your dick from lowering DHT cant you stop fin and take DHT meds to fix it back to normal?
Probably, you don’t need to take anything. If taking finasteride causes side effects they will just stop when you cease taking finasteride.
But finasteride, for some reason, has alarmists talking about how it causes permanent and unfixable damage to your dick, to your brain, to your hormones generally.
theres nothing unfixable its all science
the sides are from low dht so you just make dht higher lol
pretty much, you need to take test+tren to repair the damage fin causes
Whats a good TRT/fin dose to be perma high test and mediumish DHT so I get the benefits of it but dont lose my hair
I'm balding haha
>English teacher in Asia
Honestly he should've just shaved it all off.
Like if you have 90% of your hair you should keep it and start fin+monoxdil but if you got a little morsel left, it's over just shave
Where do you get a prescription? My dermo no longer takes my insurance and any other place isn't having new patients until 2024.
Please help I don't want to lose my hair
online doctor. keeps in US, essentialclinic in canada. dont know about europe
>having to take drugs to keep your hair
>claiming other people are seething
lol
>took .25mg a day of fin
>got minor sides
>stopped
>sides went away in less than a week
Fit told me my dick would be permanently broken and I would never get a boner again after taking fin for 2 weeks?
What about your hair situation sir?
The entire process of taking for the first time and ceasing fin all happened this month so nothing has changed hair wise. Im gonna reassess my next step here soon.
bro if your minor sides were balls hurting and watery cum just power through
it disappears after 2-4 weeks
The only side I got was I didn’t get morning wood at all the 2nd week (I’m 23 and have gotten morning wood every day basically my entire life)
do you jerk off/ have sex daily? do you watch porn? I'm on 1mg fin daily and I quit porn and jerking off. I wake up with wood every morning.
I haven’t watched porn in years and I jerk off maybe 2-4 times a week. I work out track macros etc etc etc, basically I’ve never had problems with boners
I’m only concerned because my morning woods would literally throb so hard that they would wake me up, and in the span of a week they just go soft and the only change I made was fin…
I only took it for 2 weeks and never got a morning boner at all the 2nd week
finasteride stopped me getting morning wood at 19
never got it again until I stopped taking it
My balls ached like crazy until I stopped taking it (about three months). Not worth it
Same, it was my left nut aching, for some reason the left nut its the same for a lot of people, i had to stop for 2 weeks before using it again every 7 days, now i have no sides luckily
the problem is when guys take 1mg/day for years
you took a conservative approach so you avoided long term side effects
I have a receding hairline, have never taken any medication for it, and have been more successful in my life than you despite issues such as this and gyno.
It's in your head. You aren't a hollywood actor, so it doesn't matter if you have perfect hair. You are just weak
my fricking temples are getting shredded since starting this shit. I was a decent NW2 but its gotten much thinner. What the frick, its been 3 months
Before you use pills I'd reccomend diet, exercise, and doing scalp massages for 3-5 minutes a day with every shower. Also stop shampooing every single day--stretch it out to every 2 or 3 days. Quit drying your head out with synthetic detergent shit. Scalp massage is absolutely effective for some people if the underlying issue involves tight head muscles or poor skin/scalp mobility or poor blood flow. In my case I started regrowing a modest amount of hair despite cruising at stupid high doses of T. Other blood flow strategies include adding in magnesium supplementation (at night, it makes you sleepy). Fixing your anxiety and fricked up worldview will help as well. Stress causes you to flex your scalp muscles which pulls skin taught which deprives hair of blood. Stress also releases epinephrine and cortisol chronically which probably aren't good for your hair or skin, and which are defibitly not good for BP and end-organ function im general.
For some people massage, diet, and exercise don't help and in this case it's likely genetic, or some lifestyle shit we don't understand yet. I've seen pictures of straight up wild hunter gatherers untouched by civilization's poison who had recording hairlines so sometimes it just gets you. The MOST important thing to remember about losing your hair is that it doesn't fricking matter. What matters is that you're hot and jacked and fun and cool. If it's receding and moronic looking just buzz it or shave it. You ARE fit, well groomed, and socially competent already...right?
Can you teach me how to massage?
>You ARE fit, well groomed, and socially competent already...right?
No so I need my hair. Hair matters a lot. Not everyone can pull it off. Shorter guys are at a giant disadvantage here as a tall bald dude percieved differently.
It’s a nice fantasy to imagine that lifestyle changes will overcome what is fundamentally a hormonal issue, but they won’t. If you can’t manipulate the hormones, you won’t get results. Period.
Dht in most cases is only an issue if you have a shitty lifestyle. Other cases are genetic. But no, most people nowadays go bald because of the shitty lifestyle, not genetic.
Okay. So do you have a study that shows the effects of lifestyle changes on DHT? If not, you’re just guessing.
Does Rosmarinöl work?
Rosemary works. Just use it before the disaster happens.
Yeah I think I'm just right before disaster, so started using it for 2 weeks rn. The stuff itself is disgusting tho
For people balding who are anti fin
Have you guys though of trying a diet that blocks DHT naturally or do you think blocking DHT is bad no matter what?
Because there are certain foods that lots of people eat that can potentially reduce DHT by a lot,if interesed I could share a couple of foods.
Why can't you just list them it would be less typing than asking if anyone is interested. Lions mane. What else?
Natural dht supresors should have all the same side effect the anti fin people claim, why? Because at the end of the day, by removing DHT, either naturally or with fin, your body is going to experiment the effects of a DHTless body, aka hair growth
Not necessarily because it’s possible finasteride causes effects other than merely suppressing DHT.
they do you brainless moron
Most of the alternatives are topicals aiming to stop dht binding to hair follicles in the scalp, rather than reduce dht directly
There's also topical fin which seems be slightly more targeted to dht reduction in the scalp and slightly less full body reduction, but that's less studied
Hello? I'm so upset!
Literally all baldlet cope, trying to drag as many poeple to their level because they waited too long and now their only resort is a hair transplant
What don't ~~*they*~~ produce official topical one ?
There is topical finasteride bro
I personally prefer dutasteride, it COMPLETELY stops hair loss and it's only applied in the skin of your scalp.
I don't get why would you take drugs into a systemic level.
Oral and topical exist for both finasteride and dutasteride.
Been taking it for a year. My hair has stopped falling out and I feel perfectly fine. This shit has been available since the 90s, if you’re bald at this point you deserve it. And no I won’t be coming back to this post
>What are the downsides?
Rare chance of ED side effects (mostly placebo), with an even more rare chance of them persisting after you stop taking it. I take .5 mg a day for a year now and have never had any side effects.
I got my prescription today, doctor asked me to do some blood tests before, zinc and selenium, forgot to ask him why tho lol. What do they do?
>Container
Is this just how non generic looks? Imagine paying more than you need to kek
>be me
>not born with DHT sensitivity
>full hair at 30
>make proto trooners seethe by existing
>yfw you reply "cope baldie!!11" while chugging trooner drugs
Am I going bald bros?
You're all good mate, just keep your hair clean
>Scalp massages don't do shit
I've heard anecdotes, going to try it for a few months, my time is worthless at the moment anyway
>Rob English is a fricking fraud
Yeah 100%
Signed up for his service only to get told fin and minox fricking kek
Nah you are fine man
I’ve had topical fin/minox in my bathroom for a couple months. Is it as effective as oral pills? I’m afraid it going to make it patchy or some shit. I don’t want to start until I’m like 100% sure this shit isn’t going to make my hair fall out permanently
It’s not as effective, but topical finasteride usually has a lower risk of side effects than oral finasteride. Oral minoxidil is dangerous.
>What are the downsides? I can’t seem to find any.
lol how
Probably looking at actual studies with a sample size done by scientists and not anecdotes from pornsick estrogenic hypochondriacs.
yeah i bet
>Probably looking at actual studies with a sample size done by scientists and not anecdotes from pornsick estrogenic hypochondriacs.
You mean the same studies that report side effects?
>people have fearmongered me into believing all the bad side effects happen to everyone who has ever taken it!!!!!!!!!
how sad!
it's like you're replying to a completely different post
Fin sides only happen to low test soibois who already had broken dicks, and limp dick boomers.
Because of the nature of ED, many men refuse to admit to themselves they have issues. Until of course they have some specific drug they can lay blame on, because then it isn't a result of them being low t but a result of the drug instead.
Is micro needling worth it bros?
Combined with minoxidil, absolutely. Extremely pleased with the results, and they seem to be staying. Results are slow though and it’s best if you catch it early, like nw3 max.
How to microneedle sir can you teach me?
Thanks, it seems like microneedling is the most effective boost for regrowth from what I’ve seen lurking on reddit
how do we feel about rosemary or peppermint oil?
I've been taking these in half pills every day for a month and I have not felt a single thing. Not even sure if its working because I still have a ton of hair. Why are people so afraid of this? Literally nothing happens to you.
Why are you taking it then?
we'll be able to regrow hair in 10 years don't poison yourselves.
60 years ago they said this.
10 years later it was not a reality.
50 years ago they said this.
10 years later it was not a reality.
40 years ago they said this.
10 years later it was not a reality.
30 years ago they said this.
10 years later it was not a reality.
20 years ago they said this.
10 years later it was not a reality.
10 years ago they said this.
10 years later it was not a reality.
Today you said this.
10 years later it will still not be a reality.
Those guys are ugly with or without hair
Just shave it off and hit the gym bro girls love that shit.
Most men use their hair as a filler for their ugly looks, it's literally a saving grace. Obviously having hair makes ANYONE more attractive, but it can only do so much varying to so much degree.
The real test of looks is if you still look fine while also being shaved. Example of a good looking bald guy with good facial features that would slay in Asia. Being bald doesn't matter for him, but to an ugly guy who's relying on his hair it would crush him if he was bald.
It really shows how lucky having European facial features is
>pharma industry actually hiring shills to promote non-essential medication to incels on a kyrgystani image board
>baldgays calling bantering other baldgays for not taking non-essential medication
Can't make this shit up
>notice my hairline is fricked years ago
>freak out over balding for years
>finally decide to shave it
not so bad, it just made me look slavic
>prescription make-up for men
Hahahahaah I can't. BigPharma cope for low self esteem anons
>the rich do it
I'm smarter than many many many actors because acting doesn't take brains
fin and min both killed my dick
will rosemary oil on its own grow it back or am i fricked?
Rosemary said to block DHT and as potent as 2,5% min.
I think it works for me, wish I started much sooner.
That being said I don't think I can restore my nw3 with only that.
I highly recommend rosemary for maintenence to keep your glorious hairline or even as restore protocol while you still early on the nw scale. I believe with it you could restore nw1-2 pretty fine.
They make topical finasteride. I don't know why you and most of this board are so obtuse.
>balding
>use fin
>not balding anymore
>fear monger on the internet
>more gen z pussy for me
absolutely devilish
Wish I took this seriously sooner. No more gen z pussy for me but seething angry toasties because I don't give them attention
every handsome bodybuilder, Hollywood actor, and any man who “aged like fine wine” kept their hair
everyone doesn't have shitty subhuman genes sweetie darling
?t=429
?t=79
My shitty genes = balding
Your shitty genes = low IQ
Thankfully they have medicine for my shitty genes : )
> "sure"
>DHT is useless after puberty
Explain those things then you smug mofo
3a-diol gets derived from DHT and is an important neurosteroid. Without it, you become a feminine crying b***h.
Well that sounds terrible. So how can I keep and restore my damn hair then? Small doses of fin? Topical? I'm nw3 this can't get worse. It already is.
Topical fin, MAX 0.25%, use 1 ml once every 4-5 days to not cause any systemic absorptions (in 4 days 10 half lifes of the product will have passed, and it reaches extremely low concentrations).
Progress will be slower than using it every day, but you will be side effects free and at least still doing something for your hair
So can I use a lil more during the first couple months-half year to promote faster regrowth then reduce the dosage? I can't do permanent damage right?
With my knowledge of how these biological processes take place, i wouldnt risk a dosage where it causes side effects, mind you that the homies who claim to not have side effects are crying behind that smug mask they created just to bring other people in their suffering.
This is why i recommend you to use it every 10 half lifes, the product by then will have been metabolised completely by the body and use its components for other things or expell it via piss.
Look, the only question that needs to be answered is if there are permanent side effects from using fin once. If not, then you just take the prescribed oral dose and change doses/delivery until you no longer have sides or stop altogether. If you can answer that one question, it’s that simple. If there are no permanent side effects, then there’s no reason not to start with 1 mg oral daily.
It depends for how much you take it, once the dht levels are low, your testicles stop producing too much testosterone because the medication is inhibiting its conversion, and only produces that small amount that its not attacked by the medication once it binds to the enzyme for dht.
I wouldnt risk taking that, every day and get side effects, my advice for soon to become baldies is to say as i do, perhaps with pyrilutamide as it wont inhibit dht but always following the 10 half life rule (mind you every product has its own different half life, search that first)
That's if you're on DUT MAYBE and even then there's barely any evidence. Finasteride only blocks type 2 AR. It's impossible for it to make you feminine in how you think or act.
>Finasteride only blocks type 2 AR
>only
where 2 cop 0.1mg?
You know what's more pathetic than someone who is bald?
Someone who has a morsel amount of hair left clinging onto a single strand desperately. Remember in Asia if you're white you can get a wife even if you're bald but have a good jawline, light blue/green eyes and a good physique and you'll have no problem finding a woman.
Remember there's a time and place for a hair transplant and drugs but if you're too far gone, you're too far gone
Look at this face, even with a shaved head, or even bald serpentza still slays in china. European Facial features are everything. Hair is impermanent and will not help you that much if you have an ugly face.
What I find much more blackpilling is that facial features are permanent, set in stone for the most part. That is unironically scarier than losing your hair
Is this man bald? Yes
Does it matter to him? No because he's attractive, has European facial features and Asian women would love to marry him.
He's better looking than 90% of Asian men, even while being bald simply because he's white
Just be white is not a joke. Even baldness can't stop the superior looks of European white men.
All you cucks crying about your hair when you should honestly be more scared of being shitskins and or ugly.
DAMN it feels good to be white and have blue eyes, knowing that as a white man I am UNTOUCHABLE in my looks
Being bald does literally not matter you crybabies.
Being white matters. God damn it feels good to be a white guy.
You LITERALLY CANNOT lose as a white man even if you have severe Norwood and are balding. You are still highly prized around the world
Why dont i see more people talk about transplanta in these balding threads? Ive never looked into them but it seems like a more for sure way to fix the problem. It cant be that expensive right? Is there some other downside i dont know about?
It's just expensive and balding isn't that big of an issue. It just naturally part of life and most men look find even with bald shaved heads.
Do western women prefer hair and pretty boys yes but there's hundreds of millions of women around the would that would DIE for a bald white European facial features white man in their life.
It's not that deep. Being bald/shaved head makes you look more professional IMO
Thats fair. Im not super happy about my hairline like most people id guess but i can safely say if thats the dealbreaker i dont want them in my life. Maybe if i was making 6 figures id look into it.
A lot of the stuff i read about here seems like snake oil. If it causes this much distress why not save up for the surefire solution.
Exactly if it's really that big of a problem. Just save and go to Asia for a 8,000 follicle graft or whatever the most you can get. Boom you got your hair back.
I myself am 30, I have my head shaved but I also have blue eyes, Nordic nose and I'm 100% Germanic from my mom's side.
Life really is unfair to ugly people with ugly facial features though which makes me question if there is a god. If everyone was made white and European I would literally have no doubt there is a god.
Im 28 and feel like my hairline has shot back lately but looking at photos i think its just my self esteem is a bit deflated. Im sure if my hair was good i would feel bad about my dick or my teeth or something. Theres always something you can find fault with if you look hard enough.
Average surgery price is like $10k in the western world. Its a lot but not unattainable to save that much for most people.
When im good i feel like a god but when im down im down. I dont think im ugly but maybe im overrating myself.
Im glad things are good for you anon, i hope it stays that way and only gets better.
It's because you'll have to take finasteride anyway to keep your transplanted hair. The big controversy is around finasteride use in general.
European genes are just too strong you literally cannot suffer even as a bald fat white man
If you're white, European facial features and average you are literally fine. Being shaved or being bald does NOT matter to women. Especially Asian women who would literally grab you up.
The concern comes in when you're a Hispanic, pajeet or Nog. Being white is like being on the top.
Being born brown, ugly AND bald is like a triple whammy.
I’m 26 and noticed my crown is getting sort of bad, I’ve had bad dandruff or something similar to dandruff for at least 10 years and it’s healing now, should I wait a month or two to see if that was responsible for the hair loss or should I just start downing pills?
Rosemary oil., ou young you can recover with other less invasive treatments.
wheres a good place to buy from if I live in Australia