Martial arts

BJJ is the best fighting spo-ACK!!!
Why the fuck is this sport so common, and why are the people who practice it so excited about it, when wrestling is the objectively better grappling sport?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because ufc 1.
    BJJ is a huge fraud anyway. It's just judo with half of it removed because it was gracies were too weak to do it, so they took it out and said they invented a new style, and called it brazilian. When Nipponese are the ones who invented those moves anyway.

    This guy actually broke a BJJ guy's arm, and the move was named after him. Probably why there were no judo guys in ufc 1.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maeda was also a traveling pro wrestler, who at the time were overwhelmingly mostly catch wrestlers by discipline. Catch wrestling mogs BJJ, it’s stand up/ take down offense is naturally more aggressive, and techniques on par with bjj. These old time catch wrestlers also trained and built the Japanese pro wrestling scene, so a lot of Japanese transitioned fairly well into mma. That’s why all the old mma fighters were also pro wrestlers. Pic related: Kazushi Sakuraba mogged the Gracies multiple times with a seemingly natural talent in fighting/grappling.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/pKzPyCE.jpg

      Maeda was also a traveling pro wrestler, who at the time were overwhelmingly mostly catch wrestlers by discipline. Catch wrestling mogs BJJ, it’s stand up/ take down offense is naturally more aggressive, and techniques on par with bjj. These old time catch wrestlers also trained and built the Japanese pro wrestling scene, so a lot of Japanese transitioned fairly well into mma. That’s why all the old mma fighters were also pro wrestlers. Pic related: Kazushi Sakuraba mogged the Gracies multiple times with a seemingly natural talent in fighting/grappling.

      Thanks for giving a straight answer Anon, I appreciate the history rundown.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No problems. I’m a different anon from the maeda poster. But yeah, BJJ can help, most definitely, but nothing is new under the sun. Josh Barnett, primarily a catch wrestler, submitted Dean Lister, a bjj grappler who was up to that point, for 15 years, never lost to a submission. MOGGED! Lutta livre, BJJ’s neighbor is heavily catch inspired and rivaled the Gracies back in Brazil.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is true
      Additionally BJJ is useless against Judo chads because it requires you to be on the ground.
      BJJ guys don't train, or don't train hard enough, in takedowns
      So BJJ guys have very little chance of getting a Judo chad on the floor
      That means BJJ guys against Judo chads are just going to get thrown on their head over and over, or they'll lie on the floor and get kicked in the face

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because of submissions...
      >be wrestler
      >take down some bjj guy
      >dominant position
      >shit so cash
      >ah fuck I'm a triangle choke
      That's literally it, that's why BJJ is king of grappling

      This is true
      Additionally BJJ is useless against Judo chads because it requires you to be on the ground.
      BJJ guys don't train, or don't train hard enough, in takedowns
      So BJJ guys have very little chance of getting a Judo chad on the floor
      That means BJJ guys against Judo chads are just going to get thrown on their head over and over, or they'll lie on the floor and get kicked in the face

      >Be Judoka
      >take down some bjj guy
      >hit him with the Kuchiki Taoshi
      >dominant position
      >shit so cash
      >ah fuck I'm a triangle choke
      It's only AFTER wresttlers/judoka's learn BJJ that they have a chance, when that happens they're a fucking beast though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >thinks judo has no submissions
        >literally thinks the gracies invented submissions

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          BJJ has much more submissions and more enters to submissions. But that's the least part, biggest part is that jitsers spent much more time practicing submissions and grappling till submissions. That's why this training time borrowed from takedowns

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'd say you only need to get to BJJ blue belt and then you can move on.

            There's are obscure moves that are almost never used, but you're better off working on take downs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Judoka
        >slam BJJer on concrete

        That's it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't know why judo banned leg grabs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This guy actually broke a BJJ guy's arm, and the move was named after him.
      This guy was top 1 judoka of the world when judo already was high rivalry competitive sport and he faught against some scrawny lighter guy with much less competition experience.
      >When Nipponese are the ones who invented those moves anyway.
      Lot of judo moves was borrowed from westren wrestling when Kano traveled to the west.

      This is true
      Additionally BJJ is useless against Judo chads because it requires you to be on the ground.
      BJJ guys don't train, or don't train hard enough, in takedowns
      So BJJ guys have very little chance of getting a Judo chad on the floor
      That means BJJ guys against Judo chads are just going to get thrown on their head over and over, or they'll lie on the floor and get kicked in the face

      >Additionally BJJ is useless against Judo chads because it requires you to be on the ground.
      This is not true since most frequent BJJ takedown is single leg which works well against judokas

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Judo invented the single leg AND double leg takedown, pleb
        Don't spar with white belts and think you know about Judo

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Judo invented the single leg AND double leg takedown, pleb
          First of all, saying this retarded shit is like saying kung fu invented punching while it's the most basic fighting mechanic. Single and double legs presented in western wrestling since beginning of times. Secondly, no one cares if someone invented anything, what matters is how often is it practiced, and reality is in BJJ single leg practiced more than in judo. Even before banning single leg in judo it was much more usefull in submission grappling than in judo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Banned in Judo
            *Sport Judo

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >wrestling is the objectively better grappling sport
    regular wrestling is shit too. catch wrestling is wastly superior

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wasn't talking about your homoerotic American freestyle wrestling, Anon. Where I come from catch wrestling is just called wrestling. Which is why it pisses me off when a BJJ twink thinks he can beat any man under the sun when my brother, a wrestler, nearly kills himself training.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Where are you from?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with wrestling is similar to the problems with Judo: in the interest of making it SAFER, Olympic rules castrated the sport. In my opinion any wrestler who doesn't know how to submit another man is no wrestler at all. Now the old submission techniques are no longer being taught at "competitive" schools and are relegated to the more traditional ones. Now with Judo and Wrestling being a shadow of their former selves, only BJJ remained to absorb the submission style techniques, which is why I assume it's so well known now. But why,why, WHY do the gyms, at least the ones I visited, train guys like they're training kids? I picked up kickboxing because I was fucking terrified of the training my brother and other grapplers did, so why is this easymode nu-grappling art so popular? Is it the reverse, it's popular because the normies can learn with minimal effort and injury?

        wresting is fcking stupid enjoy getting a knife in the back of your neck lmfao

        I'm a kickboxer, Anon, but I promise you a good wrestler will fuck anyone up in a streetfight before they can even consider bringing out a knife, and if it's pulled out first, they can run faster and farther from that fight better than anyone except dedicated runners.

        https://i.imgur.com/umnflTX.jpg

        No problems. I’m a different anon from the maeda poster. But yeah, BJJ can help, most definitely, but nothing is new under the sun. Josh Barnett, primarily a catch wrestler, submitted Dean Lister, a bjj grappler who was up to that point, for 15 years, never lost to a submission. MOGGED! Lutta livre, BJJ’s neighbor is heavily catch inspired and rivaled the Gracies back in Brazil.

        I heard a lot about Luta Livre, it seems very similar to our hometown sport. At least these Brasilians have some fucking respect for the art.

        Where are you from?

        Northern Turkey.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Turkey? Oil wrestling? Baspevilan!
          Also Ken Shamrock(pro wrestler in Japan=indirect catch wrestler) gridlocked Royce Gracie, the then face of BJJ. They stalemated for about an hour!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Oil Wrestling
            Funnily enough, people like to think of Turkish wrestling as either Oil or belt, but my home village(area?) didn't use oil due to the fact that their location was blockaded during the First World War, forcing them to teach the classic oil wrestling techniques without the oil. It continued even after the war, but I have no idea what the fuck we're learning. Catch is closest.
            Also I fucking love how Japanese embraced catch wrestling when they realised their judokas were getting BTFO by a catcher, even with Gi on. I still respect Judo as a sport though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Side note: We can be called pehlivan, the normal wrestlers. Bahspehlivanlar are the master wrestlers.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Become a bahspavilan then Turk bro. We will meet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Where I come from catch wrestling is just called wrestling
        feels bad it's basically non-existent anywhere else anymore. I always wanted to train it, but at 35 y.o. I'm too old to learn a fighting sport now anyway

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          wrestling is quite spreaded around East Europe and Near East

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm from Poland and I haven't heard about a single catch wrestling club in the whole country

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >when my brother, a wrestler, nearly kills himself training.
        How is catch trained anyway? Drilling? Rolling?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wresting is fcking stupid enjoy getting a knife in the back of your neck lmfao

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Must be a bait thread because any jiu jitsu school worth a damn incorporates judo and wrestling moves and you start your sparring sessions on your feet instead of on your knees. Every legit martial artist in UFC or just elite martial artists in general like navy seal commander Jocko will tell you jiu jitsu is easily the most beneficial and deadly martial art if you get good. I've rolled with skinny manlet purple belts who render my 255lb body, my 405lb Squat for reps and my 505lb deadlift useless. It's one of those things you have to experience to believe or else you'll just think youll just use brute strength and win

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Main BJJ and add wrestling
      >Not maining wrestling and adding BJJ
      Wrestling, preferably catch, mogs BJJ so hard it's not even funny. Moves and rules aside, the training alone makes wrestlers inherently better. Maybe there was a time when BJJ was good, but from my limited experience it's just a new sport for manchildren to brag about these days.
      >255 lb
      Fattie detected, opinion discarded.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >catch
        Low rivalry sport no one cares about.
        1) When was last catch world competition and how many competitors was there?
        2) When was the last time catch wrestler won ADCC?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Competitivefag cope. If you took the time to read the thread, you'd know that the only reason catch isn't popular is because of how the new rulesets try to avoid danger to the participants. If you want to practice catch to enter le heckin world tournaments, you're better off doing Greco-Roman or freestyle.
          But for the sake of argument, I'll also claim that freestyle wrestlers, and even Greco-romans, are better grapplers than BJJ, because they have better training and conditioning, with a higher focus on strength.
          >ADCC
          Literally what?
          >...similar rules to BJJ...
          I see. When's the last time a BJJ gay won the Wrestling Olympics?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Competitivefag cope.
            Cope.
            >you'd know that the only reason catch isn't popular is because of how the new rulesets try to avoid danger to the participants
            >MUH KUNG FU STYLE IS TOOO DEADLY TO COMPETE
            Any existing sportsyle including BJJ already did it.
            >If you want to practice catch to enter le heckin world tournaments
            Effective styles = sport syles, if you deny this you are le deadly kung fu practitioners. You can learn something only if you can use it in competitions. More competitors means better preparation, better methodics, better talent pool.
            >Literally what?
            Cope
            >When's the last time a BJJ gay won the Wrestling Olympics?
            They have very different ruleset, unlike BJJ and catch.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Hyperfocuses on what I said about catch, a sport that still has gyms and competitions, and turns it into "DEADLY KUNGFU" and "UNLESS YOUR SPORT IS PRACTICED BY EVERYONE YOU CANNOT USE IT EFFECTIVELY"
              >Ignores everything else about other wrestling styles
              I'll just call you a retard. However, about your precious ADCC:
              >No neck cranks
              >No elbows or knees on head
              >No slams
              >Point system, wins by submission, no pins
              A grappling competition tailored for BJJers, and they STILL lost to judokas and wrestlers on occasion. Face it, you invested too much time into a neutered sport that's ineffective compared to the competition.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>No neck cranks
                >>No elbows or knees on head
                >>No slams
                system, wins by submission, no pins
                >NOOOO, MY KUNG FU STYLE HAS DIM MAK, I CAN'T COMPETE WITHOUT IT
                Kek. Also there is UWW grappling that allows slams and doesn't allow buttscooting, but I guess you are still deadly to compete here.
                on what I said about catch, a sport that still has gyms and competitions, and turns it into "DEADLY KUNGFU" and "UNLESS YOUR SPORT IS PRACTICED BY EVERYONE YOU CANNOT USE IT EFFECTIVELY"
                Aikido still has competitions in some federations, so what? It is same row rivalry shit as catch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >and they STILL lost to judokas and wrestlers on occasion
                Kek, examples?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mark Kerr. Won 4 times, only lost a single match. Only MMA and wrestling.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>No neck cranks
                >>No elbows or knees on head
                >>No slams
                system, wins by submission, no pins
                Sambo and judo have much more differences and they still compete with each other

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >with a higher focus on strength
            This is only american perspective on training. Picrel never touched barbell in his life.
            >freestyle wrestlers, and even Greco-romans, are better grapplers than BJJ
            That's because freestyle and greco roman wrestling only exists in form competitive gyms that you can do only since you are a kid. Is there any wrestling gyms for 30+ white colars? There is a lot of BJJ competitors who combine BJJ and lifting

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Is there any...
              >There is a lot of...
              Good morning Sirs! Hope you don;t forget to do the needful!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              OP here, Anon, that's exactly my point. Why are there so many BJJ gyms when wrestling is the best?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What worked for me was.
    Boxing movement and guard +Muay thai strikes and judo without the stupid rules they put in place for sport

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cuz no cardio is needed, you just lie around playing who can lift who. Been there, unless you're an absolute fatty or a powerlifter, you will suck at it no matter what.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure these threads are made by the same people because people who never train talk the most shit. I’ve trained in a couple styles (which is the best btw, every grappling art has holes and cross training makes you a well rounded beast) so: a blue belt in bjj obliterates 99% of judokas on the ground if it’s a submission rule set. Judokas rely on flipping to their belly and stalling way to much, plus their rule set has pins (which don’t really mean anything in submission grappling, since a big challenge is moving from a strong position into a submission). A judoka would dominate any jiujitero on their feet *in GI in terms of getting a takedown and ending up on top. When it comes to no gi, I think a judoka would find a lot of techniques are either undoable or need modification to work. This is where a wrestler shines and obliterates the bjj and judo fag on their feet. And imo, wrestling is the best grappling base if they were going to do bjj or judo…anyone that has trained bjj or judo with a d1 wrestler (a near elite wrestler in the US) knows how tough it is to go against a wrestler. tl;dr train everything

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fun fact judo is usefull for:
      >Taking people to the ground so you can stomp them
      >Taking larger people to the ground more easily than bbjfags
      >Suplement for boxing

      Sorry but only bjj and wrestlijg are good for homoerotic sex on the ground

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't know why judo banned leg grabs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You’ve never trained judo at a high level or you’ve only trained judo and never crossed trained.

        Most techniques can be translated to no gi if you know who can teach you thay

        …that’s what I’m saying? Judo techniques need to be translated to no gi grappling so I would expect a bjj fag with no gi experience to dominate a judoka with zero no gi experience in stand up grappling. With practice the judoka will get up to speed and go back to dunking on the bjj fag in stand up, but judo as is trained at 99% of places today is a good but flawed grappling art. Sambo is what Judo would’ve been if they didn’t water down the sport for gays. Last thing: my favorite thing to do against a judoka in a submission match is to fish for ankle locks and heel hooks, it works 100% of the time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most techniques can be translated to no gi if you know who can teach you thay

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of people who don't actually do bjj posting in here. Of course bjj helps lol

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just train bjj because it's fun. I don't get in street fights because im not a ghetto wigger, im an adult with an actual career. And adult wrestling schools are not common in the US.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wrestling just involves taking someone's back to the floor for a couple seconds.
    BJJ involves in killing a person without hitting them.
    You combine the two, with strike defense, to beat anyone up.

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