Mike Mentzer

What's the with reddit cult surrounding this guy now?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was watching RP and he says Mike was known for blasting meth.
    Does meth make based people more based and shitheads more shitty?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He used Adderall if I'm not wrong, I don't understand why arnie gays always call menzter a crackhead even though Arnold himself did cocaine

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This post reveals a fundamental part of the HIT zoomers mindset. Half of the appeal of HIT is not its purported benefits for hypertrophy, but a personality cult around Mentzer, which is why there is such an intense focus on the tragedy of Mentzer not winning this bodybuilding show back in '78 or whenever, and the hatred of Arnold (because his personality cult is viewed as competition for Mentzer's). The other part is that you can pretend to be hardcore while going to the gym for 30 mins once a week.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't actual meth, it was some amphetamines he used as a preworkout but that's pretty different from what junkies use. Many today use DMAA which is also amphetamines in your preworkout and it's more like caffeine but stronger

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they're talking about after he quit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it was some amphetamines he used as a preworkout but that's pretty different from what junkies use
        not in europe

        t. speed enjoyer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Based fellow speed enjoyer. German, by any chance?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Then why did his flat mates refer to it as meth? He got into drug addiction and fricked men, some for pleasure, some for money.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Non lifters are moronic, anon.

          Remember that time someone on IST tricked the media into reporting that Roger Elliot was addicted to creatine and they started reporting that it caused dangerous behavior?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Had to do a quick search for this and holy shit, its actually fricking true.
            Jesus fricking christ people are moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That shit was funny tho

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ackshually, it was a refined version of the same drug junkies use

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is a performance enhancer to a degree but use it enough and in the end it turns everyone shiity.
      Iykyk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mike did get addicted to amphetamines for a time because he was also addicted to be productive especially as he was getting into writing and so on.
      >RP
      He also confused Ray Mentzer for Mike and thought the workout video was all Mike.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are amphetamines good for you?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Meth can make you stupid strong, not feel pain and give almost endless endurance if you're cranked on enough.Methheads are one of the hardest types of people to restrain
      t. hospital security

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because he advocates for training once or twice a week at most which is appealing to lazy c**ts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lazy people can pretend they are training better than you by doing just a couple hard sets

      >lazy
      Why can't I gym 2 days a week and focus the rest of my week to sports training?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can absolutely do that. But don't think you will get bigger than someone going to the gym everyday. Those Anons are referring to people who want to bodybuild, not compliment other training

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's different, of course
        Mentzer advocated 1-2 days of lifting per week, with the remainder being rest days, i.e no training of any kind, including sports

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I train every 4-7 days ideal routine style and I’m seeing crazy gains

          >Why can't I gym 2 days a week and focus the rest of my week to sports training?
          According to Mentzer cardio is pointless because weight training for 30 minutes twice is week is more than enough if done with low rest periods. I am also certain he would object to you training some other sport as it would interfere with recovery.

          Yeah it’s stupid to waste energy to useless sports if you wanna build mass

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah it’s stupid to waste energy to useless sports if you wanna build mass
            No, if anything you will be better off in the gym because of increased capillaries in the muscles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why can't I gym 2 days a week and focus the rest of my week to sports training?
        According to Mentzer cardio is pointless because weight training for 30 minutes twice is week is more than enough if done with low rest periods. I am also certain he would object to you training some other sport as it would interfere with recovery.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lazy people can pretend they are training better than you by doing just a couple hard sets

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have you ever tried to sprint a mile?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. And you get way better returns by going farther at a steadier pace, or doing HIIT - both multiple times per week, not just sprinting a mile twice per week

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's right about some things though. The carnivore crusades against carbs is moronic, almost all pro body builders rice and chicken.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Had to do a quick search for this and holy shit, its actually fricking true.
    Jesus fricking christ people are moronic.

    Oops ignore that, sorry I meant to reply to someone in /fraud/

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because every gay is looking for "THE SECRET FORMULA" for easy gains.

    And Mentzer "less is more" approach is exactly that. Promises unbelievable results by doing a third of the work.

    In reality, we know nowadays that Mentzer’s programs are seriously lacking in volume and frequency to elicit optimal stimulus.

    It’s popular for noobs and skinny teenagers (ie reddit) because you don’t use a lot of calories with these quick workouts and still triggers hypertrophy (suboptimally though ) so a noob will gain muscle without having to eat like an ogre.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      kek, you are in for a rude awakening if you think gymceling 5 times a week will give you significantly better results than, let's say, 2 intense workouts a week, especially if you're a natty
      I might have shit genetics, but I lifted for more a decade and in my experience more than 2 sessions a week border on wasting time
      mentzer crowd is definitely onto something

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Simple, lazy fricks adore the idea of working out once a week and barely eating protein, ignoring the fact that Mentzer was roided to the bone.

        Triggered the redditors

        >seriously lacking in volume and frequency to elicit optimal stimulus.
        The stimulus is caused by mechanical tension, which itself has nothing to do with volume or frequency. These are completely separate concepts.

        Mechanical tension is only one factor of the stimulus, saying that frequency and volume don’t have a role in the growth stimulus is being a delusional brainlet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You have no idea what you're talking about.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Mechanical tension is only one factor of the stimulus, saying that frequency and volume don’t have a role in the growth stimulus is being a delusional brainlet
          Imagine an individual muscle fiber within the muscle. It's sole purpose is to contract when ordered. Do you think this fiber keeps track of how many times it has contracted, using a little counter? Do you think it keeps a little calendar to mark down when it was last used? No, that's ridiculous. All it can do it contract. When ALL the fibers have contracted, and mechanical tension is at its peak, that's when your body decides that it's time to add more muscle. Your body simply does not know how many workouts you've done this week or how many reps you did yesterday. It doesn't matter.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody implied that a muscle had a brain, moron. You're making a shit strawman argument.
            >that's when your body decides
            Oh do you think that there is a little committee of cells that discusses if there needs to be a larger muscle or not?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >little committee of cells that discusses if there needs to be a larger muscle or not
              >what is a brain

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Nobody implied that a muscle had a brain, moron. You're making a shit strawman argument.
              Not a strawman, since that's not what I said. I said they do not have the ability to track volume and frequency. Your claim that volume and frequency factor into the stimulus you get in the workout is wrong.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How about 5 intense workouts per week?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you won't recover, won't get gains, get injured and waste a lot of time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      science™Black folk like you really are the cause for mentzers resurgence though
      palestinetel or schonfeld who advocate for obsenly high volume without ever going close to failure have people in gyms for hours and alot of people do realize that a few hard sets taken to or close to failure are really all you need
      are there alot of people doing acutal HIT i.e. taking sets beyond failure via eccentrics or drop sets or assisted reps or is it people returing to a reasonable quality over quantity approach?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >seriously lacking in volume and frequency to elicit optimal stimulus.
      The stimulus is caused by mechanical tension, which itself has nothing to do with volume or frequency. These are completely separate concepts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Mentzer "less is more" approach is exactly that
      The just do 10 sets of 10 reps or any other scheme can be said to be just as much of a
      >"THE SECRET FORMULA"
      The high volume routines themselves come from muscle mags in the 30's to 70's sold in this exact way. Just do the rain dance ten times instead of once and it will rain.

      In reality, the ideas Mentzer inherited were simply just about find the most efficient way to produce results.
      >a third of the work.
      You do work more in the last couple reps and that partial rep when failure than you do in all the sets combined of a typical high volume program. Reps in high volume programs tend to be low fairly low effort reps, so lots of sets are required to compensate for that.
      >we know nowadays that Mentzer’s programs are seriously lacking in volume and frequency to elicit optimal stimulus.
      No. We don't. Frequency tends to not matter. Once per week per muscle group makes very little difference compared to two or more times per week when volume is equalized (without considering any differences in training methodologies), and additional volume being beneficial depends on training methodology and the qualities of your sets. If you are using slow negatives, taking a set to failure, etc. you likely do not need anywhere close to the amount of volume of someone who doesn't go to failure and doesn't use slow negatives.

      The volume and frequency recommendations commonly cited are just the opinions of some official organizations and are not necessarily correct in general.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The volume and frequency recommendations commonly cited are just the opinions of some official organizations and are not necessarily correct in general.
        As opposed to your IST and Reddit posts?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A IST or reddit post is more likely to be correct than official organizations.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mentzer is a new zoomer meme. Nobody on IST (or Reddit) followed his shit. Zoomers are always wrong.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's a shame then that Zoomers are bigger than you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post body, twink

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the thing that slays me is that hardly anyone actually trains intensely enough to replicate what mentzer and dorian did. even the people that think they are almost certainly aren't. It's idiotic for an average lifter to even try.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >third of the work
      how is it possible for you to be so moronic?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Simple, lazy fricks adore the idea of working out once a week and barely eating protein, ignoring the fact that Mentzer was roided to the bone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >working out once a week and barely eating protein,
      thats all you need to do as natty tho, following roid troony workouts and diets as a natty is dumb as frick

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HIT is for natties who can't train 5 days a week and recover as fast

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mike died from cardiovascular disease
    >his brother ray died from kidney failure 2 days after
    ray was also bigger than mike

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HIT only works for dyels who've never trained in their life. Literally any resistance training will make them blow up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      spoken like someone who never trained with HIT. it's designed only for advanced lifters, but you've never lifted a weight before, so how would you know? I'll give you a pass this one time

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    THE GAY LOVE IN FOR THIS gay STARTED RIGHT AFTER ARNOLD WENT FULL GOY WITH HIS FRICK YOUR FREEDOMM SHIT.
    THE ENTIRE THING IS A "OMG WE HATE ARNOLD NOW" REACTION. wHO ELSE HATED aRNOLD? mENTZER. sO THEY GRAVITATED TO THIS gay AND HIS STUPID TRAINING IDEAS AS A CONTRARIAN FRICK YOU TO ARNOLD.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have you ever considering reading Ayn Rand's essays and novels dear reader?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/q03zFFO.png

        What's the with reddit cult surrounding this guy now?

        >loses to volume chads
        >ragequits
        >spends rest of life a junkie and a wannabe
        intellectual
        >dies aged 49
        Nice hero you've got there boys.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey, this guy says that you can get jacked by doing 2 weekly 40 min gym sessions while also only doing 1 set of each workout

    Thats it, thats literally it

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