what the frick do you mean 5 days a week?
while your original statement isn't far off from the truth there's abobawdely no shot your body can recover from fricking muay thai kicks like its your day job
any serious Muay Thai practicioner trains minimum 5x a week but serious fighters in my gym train 2x a day so more like 10x a week
you wear shinguards in training/sparring and also mix in pad work. if you can't train 5x a week your either a weakling or your gym is doing some fricked stuff.
I think that has more to do with their style of mt, which leaves them vulnerable to hand combos. If the Thais want to remain at the top, they're going to have to invest way more time in boxing and adopting different guards
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just an armchair when it comes to Muay Thai but I also think that the Thai culture of avoiding hard sparring really bites them in the ass. They just aren't very tough compared to the foreigners. Most Thai only do soft sparring.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They only do light sparring because they end up fighting weekly from a young age, Buakaw, Rodtang, and Saenchai as examples have fights numbering in the triple digits each whereas most westerners never even come close to 100
Most people in the world have zero training, so to beat an average person? Probably 6 months of training and have someone punch you in the face a few times. If you never spar with some face contact you're going to go through a crisis and forget all your training the first time someone off and hits you. It's an experience
Did you do that? Have someone punch you in the face? Based on what you said it seems almost indescribable, but could you try to explain it? I've never been punched in the face but training and not being afraid if ever punched seems important.
Thanks in advance
There's just a sense of disbelief. If you've ever been hit by another car with no warning you'll be familiar with the sensation. It's massively exacerbated by the fact that nearly all punches are in the context of a sucker punch and often inebriation. The best trick is to punch first if someone is acting aggressive and otherwise generally avoid being in circumstances where someone might punch you for no reason.
I just moved to a whole new state and I’m about to start Muay Thai (they also have boxing and JJ). How many times a week do I need to go there to train to be in this 99 percentile? >weightlifting for over a decade >good muscular physique >stiff as shit though >never taken a martial art before
Why you hating bro? I’ve been into bodybuilding for years, but I want the assurance that I could defend myself if it came down to it! Is it the arrogance or… ?
They're both woefully sub-optimal, but Kyokushin and Oyama karate is more practical than Tae Kwon Do and I'm saying this as someone who trained TKD, so you're wrong on that.
Case in point: there are successful karatekas in UFC but I haven't heard of anyone who came from TKD.
Seriously? Huh, guess that's a testament to how much of a freak he was.
Point is, TKD will teach you absolutely nothing useful besides how to throw a high kick, karate has sparring where punching is allowed so it's almost like bargain bin kickboxing.
Yeah karate is actually sub optimal but fine. I just cringe at the ideas of doing katas, training obscure scenarios, and the Larry Tatum shit you see on YouTube.
Boxing is fun and will teach you a ton. Getting hit in the face is good for you and having that experience will massively improve your odds in a street fight (assuming you have no fighting experience). If you can find a tai ch'i instructor that teaches the martial art/ kung fu side rather than just the healthy exercise side, I also recommend that. That learning has specifically saved my ass a few times.
I don't rate bjj, it has some value but it's so focused on grappling whereas in a real fight you really do not want to get on the ground of at all possible. If it happens the best thing you can do is getting back on your feet pronto.
>Minimum number of martial arts sessions to get good at it?
Depends how "Good" we're talking.
BUT I do have a really good answer for you:
It's called the "100 Hours Rule".
The Rule can be broken down into 2 parts :
1- Practicing a New Skill or Hobby for 100 hours makes you better than 95% of people on the planet at this thing.
2- Broken down into a 1 year time scale, 100 Hours represents 18 Minutes of practice every day.
And you can keep extrapolating this math if you want to.
- The first 100 Hours makes you better than 95% of people
- The next 100 hours (200 total) makes you better than 97% of people on the planet.
- The Next 100 hours after that (300 toal) maked you better than 98% of people.
And so on, until you reach 99% precentile or top 1%.
So as I said earlier, it depends on "How Good" you're aiming to become and how fast you want to achive that.
So obviously, depending on how good you wanna become and how fast you want the process to be, you need to put in more hours per week.
If you put in 2 hours of work every week, that's approx the same as putting 18min a day / 100 hours per year.
So I say, start there. 2 hours per week, for a year and you'll be better than 95% of people on the planet by then.
And for every 100 hours you put in, you basically naturally Rank Up like in a videogame.
Link to an article that talks about the study who created the 100 Hour Rule
https://medium.com/accelerated-intelligence/the-100-hour-rule-forgotten-study-shows-how-you-can-become-world-class-in-100-hours-ae2f94cc2fb0
On a related note. It is cringe for a boxing coach to use his position to hit up the +30s roastie that goes to the class?
Notice that he was hired by the gym (not owner), one of the regular oldgays was hitting it up with the roastie before him and we aren't many on the boxing class (we just were 4 last class).
I mean, a 40yo dude shitting were he eats and compromising the boxing class.. tbhs, it made me lose a little bit of respect for the guy.
>how many situps until I get a six-pack >how much exercise until I MOG someone >minimum number of martial arts sessions to get good at it
It's not a prescription, curb your instant gratification and go fricking train. Maybe it's 1 session, maybe it's 1000, how the frick should anyone know who you are, what's your shape and what's your talent level. If you have to ask, you'll probably hit the bag 7 times, go home and never train again
dont wait for a certain time, if you fell in love with the martial art you pick then the time doesnt matter, you are just keep going and practicing, get good at it. What the frick are you gonna do after 6 months? Quit? It applies to everything, find what you like and go for it
>how many situps until I get a six-pack >how much exercise until I MOG someone >minimum number of martial arts sessions to get good at it
It's not a prescription, curb your instant gratification and go fricking train. Maybe it's 1 session, maybe it's 1000, how the frick should anyone know who you are, what's your shape and what's your talent level. If you have to ask, you'll probably hit the bag 7 times, go home and never train again
I phrase the question wrong but what I meant was how many sessions a week should I do because I don’t want it to infer with strength training
Depends, what's your lifting program? You'd probably be fine with 3 days per week if you're running something intense. More if you're doing something more athletic based.
Oh, in that case: >1. set your priority - is it lifting, martial arts or both? you'll never get 100% of both. >2. what's the maximum you can do in a week?
%3D
I started grappling 2x a week to ease myself in, consistently. During the first couple of months, I reduced exercises such as pushups because my wrists were getting beat to hell in training. Other exercises were tailored to maximize my conditioning (honestly, eating 4000 cals to sustain it was the hardest part).
I take it day by day. People are hard stuck in routines and recipes. If my legs are beat to shit because someone leg locked me, I'm not doing leg day the next day just because I copied a program off some butthole.
>EVERY DAY: FLEXIBILITY/MOBILITY >MON: light calisthenics if I want to >TUE: grappling >WED: nothing >THU: grappling HARD + some weights after the session >FRI: nothing >SAT/SUN: lifting HARD on one or a bit on both days
Brock lesnar had many training camps and he was never good.
I would say 1 year of training should make you good enough.
Muay thai and judo is what I'd go for.
I did bjj for 1 year and my takedowns suck. Judo also has submissions.
Please remind your fellow martial artists in every martial arts thread that MMA is a blood sport and you should be topped off on your (traditional) vaccinations, like HEP and HPV so you dont get any thing nasty and NEVER roll with someone who has ""cold sores"".
Almost half of young people have genital warts because they are dirty braindead bastards fricking the whole town on tinder and don't know it takes 30min to get vaccinated against it FOR FREE.
Do Muay Thai and BJJ for a year. You will be in the 99th percentile in fighting ability
I plan on doing Muay Thai because my uni has a club for it but how many training session is enough?
5 days a week for a year, so 260 sessions I guess
what the frick do you mean 5 days a week?
while your original statement isn't far off from the truth there's abobawdely no shot your body can recover from fricking muay thai kicks like its your day job
You're not getting kicked at full power during training..
any serious Muay Thai practicioner trains minimum 5x a week but serious fighters in my gym train 2x a day so more like 10x a week
you wear shinguards in training/sparring and also mix in pad work. if you can't train 5x a week your either a weakling or your gym is doing some fricked stuff.
>not starting Muay Thai at 5 years old
ngmi
Legit. The Thais even say starting at 14yo is too late.
the thais retire at like 30
the thais are getting rekt by foreigners in ONE championships nowadays, they're washed
Is ONE better than UFC?
In terms of skill, no.
In terms of exciting fights, yes. They let you kick downed opponents, which gets rid of the wrestle fricker bias.
I think that has more to do with their style of mt, which leaves them vulnerable to hand combos. If the Thais want to remain at the top, they're going to have to invest way more time in boxing and adopting different guards
I'm just an armchair when it comes to Muay Thai but I also think that the Thai culture of avoiding hard sparring really bites them in the ass. They just aren't very tough compared to the foreigners. Most Thai only do soft sparring.
They only do light sparring because they end up fighting weekly from a young age, Buakaw, Rodtang, and Saenchai as examples have fights numbering in the triple digits each whereas most westerners never even come close to 100
Most people in the world have zero training, so to beat an average person? Probably 6 months of training and have someone punch you in the face a few times. If you never spar with some face contact you're going to go through a crisis and forget all your training the first time someone off and hits you. It's an experience
It’s just a matter of punching the bastard first then.
Did you do that? Have someone punch you in the face? Based on what you said it seems almost indescribable, but could you try to explain it? I've never been punched in the face but training and not being afraid if ever punched seems important.
Thanks in advance
There's just a sense of disbelief. If you've ever been hit by another car with no warning you'll be familiar with the sensation. It's massively exacerbated by the fact that nearly all punches are in the context of a sucker punch and often inebriation. The best trick is to punch first if someone is acting aggressive and otherwise generally avoid being in circumstances where someone might punch you for no reason.
wrestling , judo, bjj, boxing
I just moved to a whole new state and I’m about to start Muay Thai (they also have boxing and JJ). How many times a week do I need to go there to train to be in this 99 percentile?
>weightlifting for over a decade
>good muscular physique
>stiff as shit though
>never taken a martial art before
Five days a week for a year.
6 months is good.
To give you an example, most militaries train soldiers hand-to-hand combat for like 2 weeks, sometimes a month.
Do Judo and Thai boxing. Just don't fall for a meme boxing circuit class, if you're not doing same-day sparring for an hour. It's a meme.
Pick up a book instead
damn homie, imagine how many poems you coulda memorized if you never worked out
This is how you will end up if you don't start reading instead, OP.
Reminded me of that scene in Bourne Ultimatum lol
6 months if you go 2-3 times a week
mma gays should be forced to alternative sports or whatever with wrestling gays seriously frick all of you
Why you hating bro? I’ve been into bodybuilding for years, but I want the assurance that I could defend myself if it came down to it! Is it the arrogance or… ?
What ever you do, work on maximum brutality and overwhelming.
Typical mma stuff like bjj, boxing muay, boxing? Months for self defense years for comp.
Olympic style shit like Judo, wrestling, taekwondo? Years for self defense and comp.
Karate, wing chung, capoeira? Don’t bother.
They're both woefully sub-optimal, but Kyokushin and Oyama karate is more practical than Tae Kwon Do and I'm saying this as someone who trained TKD, so you're wrong on that.
Case in point: there are successful karatekas in UFC but I haven't heard of anyone who came from TKD.
>but I haven't heard of anyone who came from TKD.
anderson silva
Seriously? Huh, guess that's a testament to how much of a freak he was.
Point is, TKD will teach you absolutely nothing useful besides how to throw a high kick, karate has sparring where punching is allowed so it's almost like bargain bin kickboxing.
Yeah karate is actually sub optimal but fine. I just cringe at the ideas of doing katas, training obscure scenarios, and the Larry Tatum shit you see on YouTube.
> tfw too poor for martial arts
Depends on three things: the quality of your trainer, the quality of your training partners and your dedication
Kudo.
Boxing is fun and will teach you a ton. Getting hit in the face is good for you and having that experience will massively improve your odds in a street fight (assuming you have no fighting experience). If you can find a tai ch'i instructor that teaches the martial art/ kung fu side rather than just the healthy exercise side, I also recommend that. That learning has specifically saved my ass a few times.
I don't rate bjj, it has some value but it's so focused on grappling whereas in a real fight you really do not want to get on the ground of at all possible. If it happens the best thing you can do is getting back on your feet pronto.
Do you have real street fight experiences?
>Minimum number of martial arts sessions to get good at it?
Depends how "Good" we're talking.
BUT I do have a really good answer for you:
It's called the "100 Hours Rule".
The Rule can be broken down into 2 parts :
1- Practicing a New Skill or Hobby for 100 hours makes you better than 95% of people on the planet at this thing.
2- Broken down into a 1 year time scale, 100 Hours represents 18 Minutes of practice every day.
And you can keep extrapolating this math if you want to.
- The first 100 Hours makes you better than 95% of people
- The next 100 hours (200 total) makes you better than 97% of people on the planet.
- The Next 100 hours after that (300 toal) maked you better than 98% of people.
And so on, until you reach 99% precentile or top 1%.
So as I said earlier, it depends on "How Good" you're aiming to become and how fast you want to achive that.
So obviously, depending on how good you wanna become and how fast you want the process to be, you need to put in more hours per week.
If you put in 2 hours of work every week, that's approx the same as putting 18min a day / 100 hours per year.
So I say, start there. 2 hours per week, for a year and you'll be better than 95% of people on the planet by then.
And for every 100 hours you put in, you basically naturally Rank Up like in a videogame.
Link to an article that talks about the study who created the 100 Hour Rule
https://medium.com/accelerated-intelligence/the-100-hour-rule-forgotten-study-shows-how-you-can-become-world-class-in-100-hours-ae2f94cc2fb0
On a related note. It is cringe for a boxing coach to use his position to hit up the +30s roastie that goes to the class?
Notice that he was hired by the gym (not owner), one of the regular oldgays was hitting it up with the roastie before him and we aren't many on the boxing class (we just were 4 last class).
I mean, a 40yo dude shitting were he eats and compromising the boxing class.. tbhs, it made me lose a little bit of respect for the guy.
14
>how many situps until I get a six-pack
>how much exercise until I MOG someone
>minimum number of martial arts sessions to get good at it
It's not a prescription, curb your instant gratification and go fricking train. Maybe it's 1 session, maybe it's 1000, how the frick should anyone know who you are, what's your shape and what's your talent level. If you have to ask, you'll probably hit the bag 7 times, go home and never train again
dont wait for a certain time, if you fell in love with the martial art you pick then the time doesnt matter, you are just keep going and practicing, get good at it. What the frick are you gonna do after 6 months? Quit? It applies to everything, find what you like and go for it
I phrase the question wrong but what I meant was how many sessions a week should I do because I don’t want it to infer with strength training
Depends, what's your lifting program? You'd probably be fine with 3 days per week if you're running something intense. More if you're doing something more athletic based.
I’m running a 4 day UL with linear periodization for my main compound on each day
Oh, in that case:
>1. set your priority - is it lifting, martial arts or both? you'll never get 100% of both.
>2. what's the maximum you can do in a week?
%3D
I started grappling 2x a week to ease myself in, consistently. During the first couple of months, I reduced exercises such as pushups because my wrists were getting beat to hell in training. Other exercises were tailored to maximize my conditioning (honestly, eating 4000 cals to sustain it was the hardest part).
I take it day by day. People are hard stuck in routines and recipes. If my legs are beat to shit because someone leg locked me, I'm not doing leg day the next day just because I copied a program off some butthole.
>EVERY DAY: FLEXIBILITY/MOBILITY
>MON: light calisthenics if I want to
>TUE: grappling
>WED: nothing
>THU: grappling HARD + some weights after the session
>FRI: nothing
>SAT/SUN: lifting HARD on one or a bit on both days
10 hours a week. Split it up however you want.
Brock lesnar had many training camps and he was never good.
I would say 1 year of training should make you good enough.
Muay thai and judo is what I'd go for.
I did bjj for 1 year and my takedowns suck. Judo also has submissions.
>tfw want to do judo or bjj but always embarassingly bad at the warmups
shrimping/reverse shrimping and shit like that have filtered me from going
Please remind your fellow martial artists in every martial arts thread that MMA is a blood sport and you should be topped off on your (traditional) vaccinations, like HEP and HPV so you dont get any thing nasty and NEVER roll with someone who has ""cold sores"".
Almost half of young people have genital warts because they are dirty braindead bastards fricking the whole town on tinder and don't know it takes 30min to get vaccinated against it FOR FREE.