Ive read that supplements cause as taurine, cysteine, carnitine, alpha lipoic acid are goated for this.
Is there anything else i should consider supplementing? I know there are few nutrient supplements that can help.
Along with this i will do lifting, at times extended fasting and focusing on early sleep and maintaining good sleep pattern
any anons dealt with this before?
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>taurine, cysteine, carnitine, alpha lipoic acid
All of this is in meat. Sounds like you just need meat.
That is true but taurine is found mostly in fresh meat and im a citycel so difficult to find freshly butchered meat. Im not sure about these other ones, whether they fade the longer the meat sits
Taurine and carnitine are destroyed by the cooking process. If you are willing to eat your meat raw, you will get a lot more. You could also eat scallops if you can find any, as they are high in taurine
Dont listen to rawtards OP
What exactly makes someone who eats raw meat a "rawtard"? Why exactly should I burn my meat, destroy it's nutrients, and turn it into goyslop?
this is just imo, but because of the risk of parasites and other chemicals not being broken down. and you probably weren't raised by wolves, so i doubt you have the proper microbiome.
i like this idea, i've read that it's good for telomere lengths too. surely there is a drawback though?
i don't know about calling it poison but it definitely seems like something to treat yourself with as a therapy rather than take constantly. for example, i've read that it can cause cancers to increase their rate of growth.
I have been eating raw meat for 5, nearly 6 years no problem. I think my microbiome is doing just fine. It is natural for humans to eat this way, so a human microbiome should readily adapt to this way of eating.
i cooked some steak bleu the other day and it was great didnt get sick or anything
my thinking is that just because you can doesn't mean it's necessarily better for you though. i suppose time will tell if you're committed to it, they do say sear marks are carcinogenic so at least you're avoiding that lol
>sear marks are carcinogenic
i think thats because people cook with unstable industrial oils i.e. seed oils. if youre cooking with more stable saturated animal fats its probably a non issue or at least much less of an issue
No, it is not a non issue and it has nothing to do with the cooking oil. The heating process itself is the problem and yes, browing of the meat is inherently carcinogenic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction
cancer was much more rare a hundred years ago. people werent eating all raw foods but they werent eating seed oils
yeah probably because they ate less cooked meat too. Cooked meat is fricking terrible for you and I understand why it is classed as a carcinogen, it is entirely because of the cooking process
its definitely possible but i think seed oils replacing more stable saturated animal fats are the bigger issue
well I can't argue with a get like that.
Anyways, we can agree that saturated fats are great. tbh I eat 1-2 pounds of butter a week, and drink 2 quarts of raw cream a week
has greatly improved my health
looks like he secretly eats carbs
You eat raw meat?
Yes. Raw meat, some raw low sugar fruits, raw dairy.
I think it is better though. The only concerns people ever have seem to be related to the silly idea of getting sick from parasites, all the while getting sick from the carcinogens generated from cooking as well as the loss of nutrients. Eating it raw prevents it from losing b vitamins, carnosine, carinitine, taurine, prevents the proteins from glycating, etc
I see no reason to eat cooked meat.
Getting sick from raw meat is mostly just a fantasy that people get from watching youtube videos tbh.
We absorb more nutrients by cooking it, you're not just gonna get all the nutrients because it's raw. Even vegetables
>We absorb more nutrients by cooking it,
this is just wrong, stop making up stuff.
You destroy the vitamins and vatioua beneficial compounds like carnoside while also glycating the proteins and oxidizing the fats which destroys you from the inside. Shut the frick up.
you cant be helped
imagine being this confidently moronic, the world is soo strange.
Sprint OP.
HIIT Workouts Turbocharge Our Mitochondria’s Superpowers
High-intensity interval training enhances mitochondrial bioenergetics.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/202112/hiit-workouts-turbocharge-our-mitochondria-s-superpowers
Interesting thanks anon
i wonder if weight lifting can produce the same outcomes
No problem. Try sprinting + L Citrulline.
I'm 53, look 35. It works.
The main purpose of this study is to determine the safest maximum dose of an amino acid, citrulline, which will be used as potential treatment for adult patients with a disorder of energy metabolism called Mitochondrial Encephalomyopathy
https://namdc.rarediseasesnetwork.org/research-study/7416
Lol you're a moronic nitric oxided up Black person!!!
NO is terrible for health, look up Ray peat work on it, same thing with GH
wtf is NO?
dont listen to that tard
Nitric oxide
>t. Chudcel who thinks consuming massive amounts of NO is healthy
Enjoy your Inflammation
Nitric Oxide, people think it's the primary vasodilator, it's an emergency one that causes vascular leakiness and mitochondrial dysfunction. CO2 produced from proper mitochondrial respiration is the actual primary vasodilator, with a wide range of protective effects.
Frick of, you raypeatarts. Ray makes basic mistakes in logic. He can't into logic to be more specific.
For example, he looked up into pufas. Omg, they are terrible. Yes, they are. Most of the humans were never consuming, escpecially in modern quantities. But he puts omega 3 in the same category, when fish was every day food for humans in the past. British peasants were complaining that they are tired of eating salmon every day. Out body uses omega3 to make the membranes of our cells elastic which prevents their damage and we process omega3 into short chain fatty acids that are antiinflamatory.
With nitric oxide he looked that there is nitric oxide where is inflamation. But he didn't think that possibly it's not the cause of inflamation, but what our body uses to deal with inflamation. The later is true. It's the same as cholesterol which our body uses to prevent internal bleeding, but doesn't cause arterosclerosis on it's own and is super healthy to consume.
Frick ray peat and frick his moronic followers!
A combination of Glycine and NAC seems to have a positive effect on mitochondria dysfunction, as well as reversing several biomarkers of aging.
They are both cheap supplements, so easy to experiment with.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8773349/
NAC is poison. Please don't trust meme studies.
Why is that? I saw one study where it had damaged a heart valve or something
Anecdotally it made me hack up my lungs the one time I tried it, felt like I was dying until I stopped. However it seems to disrupt glutamate homeostasis, chelate certain metals in the body, etc.
SS-31
Sugar
CoQ10, Vitamin D, E, B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B7, K2, Aspirin, T3, Lysine, Taurine, Glycine, Caffiene, Magnesium, Selenium, Zinc, Baking soda.
Carnitine is carcinogenic garbage due to it inducing excessive lipolysis; the drug Meldonium is considerd a doping drug because it increases endurance and stamina by antagonizing carnitine, forcing the muscles to use sugar as fuel.
Carnitine is good for you its in meat
It's needed in small amounts and can be made in the body if needed from methionine and lysine, taking a supplement of it is suicidal.
Why suicidal?
Because intentionally triggering mass lipolysis causes cancer, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, in of itself, what's worse is that most peoples fat stores are mostly PUFA due to it being too toxic to metabolize, lipolysis frees that up and damages organs and mitochondria.
so by that logic you should lose fat?
Yes and aquire large muscles that can use up the ffa in the blood, allowing organs to safely use sugar for mitochondrial respiration.
i meant as in fat loss releasing pufa stored in fat cells
You shouldn't promote it, restricting PUFA and eating enough sugar, improving metabolism and excreting the PUFA slowly from baseline lipolysis and glucoronidation so as to not overwhelm the liver and damage organs and energy production capabilities.
>aspirin, baking soda, caffeine
poison
>everything else
in meat
>carnitine
good for you and lipolysis is good for you frick off troony
Lol, what's your body temprature sitting at, have fun being cold and dying young moron.
Fricking lol at just repeating everything you read in ray peat forums as gospel dude, shut the frick up, take your toxic t3 pills and candy, and stop peddling this israeli nonsense like it's your religion.
>toxic t3 pills
you can just eat raw ruminant thyroid for the same effect you know, and besides, peat and aajonus have more overlaps when you dig deep enough
aajonus promotes a lot of poisonous stuff like eating nuts or eating honey with fats and proteins or eating honey at all, I don't follow that guy.
oh you're a carnitard, see tou at raypeatforum.com in a few years
Lol the israelites are laughing at you eating your raw testicles and taking cold showers, they know stress will age you rapidly and is the main cause of disease, that's why all kosher food is free of PUFA and the kosher coke is made with cane sugar, they also all take thyroid and live to 100+.
I don't take cold showers or eat raw testicles are you assuming I do this? sugar is poison dude, I'm not eating that crap
*why are you assuming
The body uses sugar for energy. That's why there is blood sugar. Sugar is one of the main energy sources of the cells.
I feel better using butter as my main source of energy
no I'm not even carnivore. I've been to raypeat forums, everyone there is moronic and prediabetic and looks up to fataases like that georgi guy who flip flops his mind on everything. Every single one of them is in chronically bad health which is worsened by their high augar diets
>I feel better using butter as my main source of energy
as i said, see you in a few years
Been doing this for years amd my health has only improved but thanks. I'll see you with an insulin pump in a year
my blood glucose is much better after sugarmaxxing, i was almost diabetic when i did low carb, that's how i stumbled upon peat's works
Bullshit. My blood glucose never exceeds 80 mg/dl after years of a diet using butter as my main energy source.
Two more weeks though right?
how does dietary sugar improve blood glucose?
it doesn't. that guy is a mentally ill and suicidal diabetic
sugar helps regulate blood glucose by lowering cortisol and is easily absorbed, and fructose can bypass the fatty acid inhibition, that's why fruits and honey are good for diabetics
take heed anon, keto works well until it doesn't, every peater i know who was into keto in the past all give the same testimony, they felt really good after doing keto for years and then everything suddenly goes abysmal, trouble sleeping, brainfog, low test, elevated cholesterol, cortisol, and SHBG, no energy, you name it
I don't trust anything a peater says because they are all mentally ill geriatrics, and funnily enough every one of them who I've read about trying a "keto diet" flip flopped and didn't actually stay on a keto diet, and ate 100+grams of carbs along with a ton of pufa even when theh "ate keto". the typical "peat" diet causes diabetes and that is reflected in most of its adherants.
You cannot go wrong with: red meat, animal fat, low sugar fruits/peppers/berries/low harm vegetables like lettuce, cream, eggs.
This diet CANNOT cause high blood sugar, it is literally impossible unless you are already a diabetic.
>This diet CANNOT cause high blood sugar
yeah it will make you DYEL and impair your glucose tolerance instead, post body
The body uses fat and sugar
I'm in the field of mitochondrial metabolism and I hate the term mitochondrial dysfunction as it isn't specific at all. Your mitochondria do hundreds of functions that differ between the various tissues in your body. Want to know how to improve your mitochondrial health? Eat a healthy whole foods plant focused diet, exercise regularly (both aerobic and resistance), sleep well, and minimise stress.
Taking a few of these will improve your health but most of this will just give you expensive piss. The idea that having a CoQ supp will somehow lead to increased energy production is funny, it's not the rate limiting step in the ETC let alone respiration in general.
>plant focused diet
You meant to say you're in the field of regurgitating religious soience dogma.
Nah, without doxing myself too hard I've been involved in alot of nutritional based metabolic disorder prevention and treatment with a specific focus on those characterised by mitochondrial dysfunction
what will ingesting a bunch of amino acids your body already produces or you consume in suffciient quanities in your diet do? Fricking nothing of course. Is alpha-lipoic acid some magic molecule? No probably not, but if you want some more eat brocolli and tomatoes
>Nah
Yeah actually.
taurine is hard to come by without freshly slaughtered meat
your body synthesises it in the pancreas via the cysteine sulfinic acid pathway, it is a very abundant molecule.
What about OP taurine, ala, taurine, cysteine, carnitine, alpha lipoic acid?
>how to improve mitochondria function
Do not be fat/lose weight/quit obesity
Zone 2 cardio/Maffetone method running
Everything else is snake oil, negligible, or mimicking one hundredth of the stimuli provided by aerobic exercise.
If you want an in depth study, look up Inigo San Millan
Lol, aerobic exercise is like speedrunning aging, it literally opposes proper mitochondrial respiration.
I don't know man, I think you can literally make everything work or not work.
Drinking water? You can improve your health or destroy your health.
Eating meat? It can improve your health or destroy your health
Aerobic exercise? It can improve your health or destroy your health
I just don't trust anything anymore seeing as everything is used to push agendas pro or against things. You can literally find studies to prove or disprove ANYTHING. Fairly sure if i searched long enough i could find a study that shows eating shit is the pinacle of health. Nowadays I simply go by feeling to be completely honest.
The most peaty exercise is aerobic exercise though, walking
Not to the extent of breathlessness lactic acidosis, that's what I mainly think as aerobic exercise.
I don't think you know what mito respiration or mitochondrial biogenesis is
Source: my ass
>fricking moron s o y jak here, erm extreme stress actually good and even if it wasn't theres nothing you can do because that's pseudoscience
>light jogging
>EXTREME STRESS
ok fatass
remove seed oils and plant garbage and eat mostly nutritious animal fats
supplement and biohacking like methylene and red light therapy and hydrogen/magnesium baths
>methylene
methylene blue
Based mitochondrial scientist. Could you explain how obesity hinders mitochondrial respiraton?
Likely impaired substrate utilisation (of course impaired glucose uptake, but also it fricks with lipid metabolism) leads to morphological changes with a tendency to a greater amount of fission and mitophagy (lower mito content). There is nothing definitive due to the fact the mitochondria is incredibly complex (for context it is very tissue specific and contains at least 1,138 proteins (if you believe mitocarta v.3-however we are constantly finding new shit in 'plain sight' like in Kienzle et al. 2023 BMC biol. from literally 7 days ago lol). One funny thing about insulin resistance is it leads to a greater coupling of the ETC to OXPHOS (basically more efficient creation of energy (ATP) from food) so fatties burn less calories (for context about 20% of the energy potential we create through chemiosmosis from the ETC is wasted (well it is used to create heat but wasted in the sense it doesn't give us ATP). However, unfortunately for fatties this leads to a greater production of ROS through spurious superoxide formation during the reduction of oxygen.
Damn, you're the kind of people that makes me wish knowledge download 'à la Matrix' was a thing. Thank you.
in english egghead
huge redpills itt
DONT LISTEN TO THIS PEAT TARD LARPER
Taurine, ACL, ALA are hard to get enough from diet too boost poor mitochondria
unironically, is coffee good for you? in regards to mitochondrial health.
also, i welcome any anon to tell me why drinking ~1.5 bottles of wine while walking 10+ miles might not be THAT bad for my mitochondria...
Coffee is very good with enough fuel provided for the increased metabolic rate.
Cardio is the best thing to improve the number of mitochondria and their function.
Specifically zone 2 cardio. That’s essentially getting your heart rate between 120-140 and holding it there for 90 minutes. 3/4 times a week.
Lifting is not cardio. Ignore people who say it is.
>he didn't take the Ray Peat pill
fasted low intensity cardio, maximizing fat oxidation. you could also combine it with a (high protein) ketogenic diet for even further increased effects.
taurine is great, but don't take cysteine (and NAC should be used sparingly). I'd also recommend daily 10g glycine. MCT oils can also help increased fat oxidation.
I've also read some interesting things about methylene blue, but I've never taken it.