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It's good for exams, though you'd want to take it in conjunction with caffeine. But I don't see how you'd need a stronger stimulant than caffeine as a preworkout. You better throw in some generic pre supps like taurine, citrulline etc.
I take a quarter of one and that does me for about 10-15 hours. Randomly feel super uphoric on it sometimes. Don't know if it's more concentrated or cut with something else.
You're not supposed to get a boost off just 50mg of moda. Sounds cut. Did you check the serial numbers on the blister packs?
I used to do half a tab of modafinil sublingual (100mg) and it got me insanely focused and alert for 4 hours
I don't know where this moronic meme came from, but taking a pill that is meant to be swallowed sublingually only works because you eventually swallow the dissolved pill. Swallowing a pill that is meant to be dissolved under your tongue either won't work at all or will have decreased absorption. You're all welcome.
You absolutely can, 200mg is too much for me but like
50mg is just right
Don't be a junkie, 50mg is plenty, often find it hard to sleep that night after taking 50mg in a morning.
50mg is my dose as well, I won't get the buzz that 200mg gives me, just little push and that's enough. And most importantly it doesn't take me 3 hours to fall asleep like when I take 200mg, so I can take 50mg daily.
Long time user of Modafinil here.
It works. Works well
didnt really feel it much tbh, but I'm also prescribed dex and use a lot of caffeine. I took 100mg.
I don't really like being that stimmed for working out anyways. Some normal pre with caff is all i need. I find with stronger stims I get tired quicker during a workout since im not as relaxed.
You have clearly never taken them. They are not stims. All they do is stop you from sleeping. Note this does not mean it never makes you alert, just stops your brain from begin able to sleep,
That's cope.
Moda is also a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
It's like saying being on TRT is the same as being natty because you have natty T levels on paper.
>all the newbie larpers thinking acting these are like amphetamines
It's at most a coffee buff they keeps you from dozing off.
I tried it once and got nothing out of it whatsoever
What does it do?
Imposes a blockade on sleepyland.
Heres my routine, I wake up and take 1-1.5grams of phenibut with 200mg of modafinil. Then i go on like a 30-60 min bike ride so the drugs will kick in more efficently, then afterwards ill eat about 2 hours after i take the phenibut. By this point im feeling good. After I eat ill have a big cup of coffee, then another 200mg of modafinil soon after. Then ill go on another intense bike ride come home, go for a long walk, eat and have more coffee. Feels great 10/10.
makes me sweat like a pig and fricks my sleep. No thank you
>permanent increase in ACTH, corticosterone and cortisol
Just be close to a toilet
>samegayging this hard
We heard you the first time. You're still wrong.
Maybe you're just a dumbass and we're right.
the drug was designed for sleep deprivation, if it had any other potential it would be under its prescribed usage, but it is not.
>the drug was designed for sleep deprivation, if it had any other potential it would be under its prescribed usage, but it is not.
Literally not an argument. Just because it's not fully researched and the drug's side effects are not fully known yet, does not mean it doesn't have other effects besides being a stimulant.
>im taking a drug that isn't understood
>trust me
could you make yourself sound like a bigger dumbass? jesus dude, quit while you're ahead.
>Due to modafinil's lack of euphoric effects, it is not considered to be a classical psychostimulant, but rather is classified as a eugeroic (wakefulness-promoting drug).[3]
>>im taking a drug that isn't understood
me
Who are you quoting? Yourself? Maybe you should pop a pill since your moronic brain can't keep up.
>TRUST THE SCIENCE CHUD
Any more worthless citations? Please note that none of your "sources" contradict the fact that Modafinil is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor
>i base my worldview on opinions that make me feel good and smarter than everyone else
>this thing that literally isn't classified as a stimulant and the mechanism of action doesn't even work unless sleep deprivation is present, is a le stimulant because I said so!
>i base my worldview on opinions that make me feel good and smarter than everyone else
Like
said. You're a moron because you lack any kind of self-awareness.
post the research, any research, (you can't)
and like
said
>reading just the abstract doesn't count.
i'll wait.
You're the moron claiming that Moda isn't a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, first try addressing that specifically.
>reading just the abstract doesn't count.
I'll wait.
Any moron can copy paste sources that confirm their bias. Maybe start by looking at the actual research. And no, reading just the abstract doesn't count.
>Any moron can copy paste sources that confirm their bias.
then why haven't you? lol because I'm right and you're baseless.
>Modafinil has been used non-medically as a "smart drug" by students, office workers, transhumanists,[41][42][43][44][45] professionals in the corporate and tech fields, surgeons, truck drivers, and call-center workers. Its attention-promoting, cognitive-enhancing, and wakefulness-boosting properties are cited by those people as reasons behind modafinil's use.[46][47]
>However, multiple studies have consistently shown that modafinil does not provide cognitive enhancement or attention improvement benefits in non-sleep-deprived individuals, with some studies even reporting impairments in certain cognitive functions.[48]
basically the medical community thinks you're a moron
Almost every drug is used for off-label applications. Saying that a drug can't be used for anything but what it has been shown to be useful for in a clinical trial is like saying that jacking off is impossible because a penis is made for impregnating a woman.
refer to
specifically
>However, multiple studies have consistently shown that modafinil does not provide cognitive enhancement or attention improvement benefits in non-sleep-deprived individuals, with some studies even reporting impairments in certain cognitive functions.[48]
It has been proven to not work for off label uses.
the situation isn't that there isn't info of whether or not it works for off-label uses, it's that it literally doesn't work for off-label uses and has been proven to not work for off label uses.
HOW have you not given up yet?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179180/
Here ya go. A piece of research about an off-label use for modafinil. It is banned by the WADA after all.
>The RPE results suggest that the dampening of the sensation of fatigue was likely a factor responsible for the enhanced performance.
This isn't technically an off-label use, modafinil staves off fatigue. Performance enhancement is nominally an off-label use but mechanistically is identical it's prescribed function.
1. this is an abstract (lol at you being a hypocrite)
2. N=15
3. the difference wasn't even big "slight" according to the researchers
4. this is technically an on-label use
5. this has absolutely nothing to do with the 'off-label uses' that are commonly used, or even discussed in this thread.
performance enhancing is off-label
not all ergogenic substances would be suitable for performance enhancement (sides like hypertension, dehydration, tachycardia etc)
modafinil happens to be one of the better drugs that is specifically used for direct performance enhancement and not for promoting wakefulness due to fatigue..that is why wada banned it. You don’t see caffeine on that list yet you could make the same argument
okay yeah sure, but the other offlabel uses were proven to be bullshit.
try harder
IDK whos who someone said that abstracts aren't good enough and then someone posted an abstract and I criticized it, and now you're butthurt again (big surprise)
Yeah neither of those were me (I'm the guy that said that).
You should just say you were wrong, tbh.
what other off-use labels were bullshit?
You admitted it acts as a DRI.. that effect itself produces benefits far beyond ergogenic
I’m phonegayging rn but I know there are studies out there on modafinil and depression (because of the dopamine reuptake inhibition)
I’m also fairly certain there are studies with modafinil producing greater/longer work output in non-fatigued individuals... you seem pretty honest so I’m sure you will genuinely take a look.. im on the go right now
>You admitted it acts as a DRI
It's weak and selective, it is not a psychostimulant which is what you are trying to suggest it is -- a psychostimulant has the properties you are trying to ascribe to modafinil.
>I’m also fairly certain there are studies with modafinil producing greater/longer work output in non-fatigued individuals
According to the wiki it only produces benefit to sleep-deprived individuals and may have adverse effects on non sleep-deprived individuals.
Anecdotally I felt more alert even when I slept well and took it, but separating placebo from actual effect isn't something I can account for myself, and it's not a profound effect, I could do just as much work on Mod. than off it; but it gets complicated when you think about leftover fatigue from losing sleep, not last night, but the night before, and whether or not the drug is affecting your sleep cycle and quality creating a dependency effect for wakefulness.
forgot to add
>what other off-use labels were bullshit?
>Modafinil has been used non-medically as a "smart drug" by students, office workers, transhumanists,[41][42][43][44][45] professionals in the corporate and tech fields, surgeons, truck drivers, and call-center workers. Its attention-promoting, cognitive-enhancing, and wakefulness-boosting properties are cited by those people as reasons behind modafinil's use.[46][47]
those are the off-label uses that these people taking modafinil talk about that aren't supported and actually disproven
>However, multiple studies have consistently shown that modafinil does not provide cognitive enhancement or attention improvement benefits in non-sleep-deprived individuals, with some studies even reporting impairments in certain cognitive functions.[48]
Holy fricking cope. Goodbye.
The abstract does have a paper attached to it you double moron. You have to click “full text links” Shut the frick up about scientific papers until you’ve demonstrated you’ve actually ever read one. Holy shit what a pseud.
this shit literally gave me a psychotic episode
>most safe """SMART""" drug
frick outta here
This is what the papers say, that modafinil is not good stimulant and not good to enhance focus. Interesting that half of the college students are on moda and they can clearly feel the effects it has that it shouldn't according to science.
>trusting dipshits opinions is better than clinical trials
I just know you're either brown or a Black person.
>what is placebo?
do you think gas station pills give you big muscles and a bigger dick too?
>after all dick pills are a big market so they must work!!!
pic related, I never claimed it isn't a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, it's atypical in the respect, and isn't a classical stimulant. This is drug info 101, the fact that you don't understand this makes you not worth arguing with.
Just say you were wrong, bro.
I'm still waiting for you to post literally any research.
Modafinil isn't a psychostimulant you fricking dumbass.
How about you admit you're a moronic loser? Your life will change dramatically for the better once your honest with yourself.
Lets start here, you were insecure about your intelligence and found a drug online that some indian guy told you would make your smarter and you fell for it, now you felt better than everyone else for once and you're too childish for me to take that away from you. Sound about right? Get your shit together anon, grow up. An adult would have admitted they were wrong about 30 minutes ago.
>all that butthurt
Just say you were wrong, bro.
have a nice day.
I don't know what the underlying mechanism of this drug is, maybe it's placebo (which I doubt because there are lot of legal smart drugs that clearly not have the same effect), who knows, but there are millions of students having benefits from it. You clearly have never tried it.
I have tried it, if I were home I'd show you the leftovers I had years ago from SunPharma India that I bought for $200 using bitcoin.
I don't know how many ways I can say that you're fricking moronic until it lands with you.
There are hundreds of thousands of people that think dickpills work and millions of chinks that swear by Armadillo penis, guess it's all true then, huh?
you're clearly wrong and stupid.
>THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] CHUD[9]!!![10]
>Minoxidil is only used for hypertension, if it had any other potential it would be under its prescribed usage, but it is not.
>Finasteride has no side effects/makes you permanently impotent
>The vaccine is completely safe
Post skin color with a time stamp (you won't)
i must be so lucky to meet with a random IST user on an obscure mongolian basket weaving forum that knows more about the drug than the people that literally synthesized it.
>Didn't get the hint.
The lack of self-awareness is staggering
>can't be direct
>hasn't posted any of the research he swore he had a ton of
>ad-hom because no argument
>hasn't stopped arguing because now his ego is involved
>completely assblasted in every reply, doesn't kill himself
>one-liners to keep his thread alive with minimal effort
>you're not self aware bro
lol, learned a new side effect of modafinil: profound mental moronation
That's a whole lot of projecting.
Just admit you were wrong, bro.
blunts more subtle thinking. really only useful if you want to be a complete square. if you couldn't tell the difference though just carry on. you weren't losing anything you never had in the first place.
frick you Black person im a retired navy seal and i sold 11 businesses last year 10 mill each
I prefer adrafinil so you don't have to import from India.
how much does that cost and how many doses..?
you can get modafinil from india at like $2/gram
Yeah but it doesn't have fecal matter in it
Adrafinil is highly hepatotoxic in large doses, and since your body isn't 1:1 converting adrafinil to modafinil, you need a far larger dose to reach the same amount of product in a modafinil pill.
Also those drinks contain 150mg of adrafinil, which would equate to only about 50-100mg of modafinil, so you're paying a premium for less product.
I tried adrafinil from a reliable source, and it didnt do anything for me. Modafinil on the other hand, well, Im still taking it
>does nothing