My deadlift progress is entirely gated by my grip strength. Should I use straps or will it further hinder my grip strength?
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My deadlift progress is entirely gated by my grip strength.
>should I use straps
Yes. On any back exercise, really. People who say you shouldnt are always dyel losers who get off on suboptimal gains because they want to feel like tough men
Even pullups? No way I'm not disagreeing, just confused.
Yes, even face pulls. Even fork lifts.
>my deadlift would be improved if I used a BDSM gimp device to not have to be as strong in X muscle group
Therefore either become a roiding "bodybuilder" who only does one small exercise for each general body group once a week. Why are you even bothering with compound exercises when it sounds like you have no interest in becoming actually strong? Use a belt & ankle straps while you're at it.
I'm sorry you have too short an attention span to work towards a goal for more than a month at a time, but just continue adding weight until you can no longer lift it for 5 reps.
I personally through this method have easily begun adding 5 lbs every other month to my lifts, and have managed to avoid further injury.
>tfw forklift till failure
As if I could post gore on IST.
Yes. You get more out of the lift. If you dont compete in a sport Its just unnecessary elitism that limits your progress
You have to use straps when pulling open the gym door too so you don't pre-fatigue your grip.
Pull-ups, no. Lat pull downs on a machine, yes, if your grip is going before anything else.
Why the difference, why not yes on pullups but no on lat pulldown ?
Not the anon you're replying to but I mean... I've never tried pull-ups with straps, but if you do and get something out of them, then use them. Training your back is hard as is, anything that helps you to properly hit failure is a huge plus IMO.
If your grip is a limiting factor doing lat pulldowns then your grip strength is pathetic and you need to train it. Either is because your grip is so shitty from using straps for everything or because you're ego lifting, pulling weight with garbage form
I used straps for a seated cable row (thanks Sam) yesterday on a weight I could have most easily pulled without the straps. Feelsgoodman. Also I walk around with straps flappin like a badass girls see that and I can spank dyels with them
>Also I walk around with straps flappin like a badass
i do the same thing, why does wrist constriction feel so good?
i'm thinking of learning shibari coz of it.
This. Look, it's good if you can hold 400 lbs with your grip for 5x5 or 5x8, but odds are you can't.
Deadlift is a shit upper back exercise, which. using strap on any other exercise is dyel.
T never used straps and is a wristlet.
Please redpill me on how you train the back, you look amazing.
He used gear and is a twink.
You believe i used gear with my pencil neck?
Lmao at you morons.
Plenty of pencil necked nerds on gear.
Awwww you’re such a cute little twink don’t get too big now or daddy won’t frick ya!
Post back
t. griplet
Lmao I just know none of you move actual weight. Look, its cool to feel tough and manly with you rawdogging your 2pl8 diddly but once you reach 4pl8 its just not an option
Very much this. It could be why so many think it’s a useless exercise.
>can’t lift heavy because grip fails
>can’t do volume because grip fails
>result is no gains
>blames the lift
Also dont forget the instability you introduce. I forgot my straps once and went for lots of chalk and hook grip which worked but just gives you one more thing to focus on and worry about in an already complex movement once it gets heavy
>instability
Good point. Focus is very important. It’s kinda like when someone walks super close to the cage as you’re going for your third rep on a 3pl8 squat. As soon as your eyes dart over, it’s over
>complex movement
lol no it isn't
the only remotely complex part is the setup, after that it's literally just standing
>t. moron with bad form
>it’s just standing
No wonder you are afraid of the lift
>I think it's simple therefore I am afraid of it
Now I understand why you think it's complex lol. Go back to putting the star prism through the round hole I'm sure you'll get it this time.
My diddle form is good because I understand that you set up then you stand up. What else is there after the setup?
>feet shoulder width apart
>toes slightly rotated
>bar over shoelaces
>bend hips and grab bar
>bend knees until shins touch bar
>lift chest/retract scapulae, slightly drop hips and brace
What else is there Poindexter?
>actual rippetoetard arguing about form
lmao
>muh deadlift is... le complex
>when you've deadlifted 2pl8 as many times as I have you start to learn how it REALLY works... too bad... kid
Lmao keep doing your lmao4pl8 rippetard diddly and struggling to do bodyweight dips, fatty
What are you even arguing? That I lift more than you?
>I can lift my own bodyweight more times than you that means I'm stronger even though I weigh as much as a GI Joe
>he cuts: still strong
>you cut: Achievement Unlocked: Light as a Feather
Based illiterate. You must be the guy who thinks standing up is complicated.
>admitting to being a fatass with zero athletic capability
Post body right now and let my old ass laugh and mog you
Bet you aren't even white
>Bet you aren't even white
Post your muttskin
>is a shitskin
>calls others mutts
ohohohoho ahahahahah
trololol or tard. its normal european pigmentation. nords are outliers.
>poop colored skin is normal european pigmentation
kek
If your poop is that color you should see a doctor ASAP you're going to die soon
Whatever device your using has a shitty screen (because you're a turdworlder who can only afford TFT). This is my skin tone in sunlight, hope you can see it bro.
>that dyel arm
>hairline status: N1
>skin status: milk white
At what point do you post your poo brown skin or evaporated hairline?
>pudgy dyel still crying
>genetic detritus has an opinion
>begs for attention for 10+ posts
>"nuh uh"
histrionic personality disorder
Even if I'm DYEL I have already and permanently beaten you by genetic superiority. Your defeat is absolute. You can't outlift being a shitskin.
>Even if I'm DYEL
the joke writes itself kek
YWNBW
>its normal european pigmentation
Maybe in France lmao.
in poland is.
>poland
>white
homie i am like Fitzpatrick 3. just some remaining tan from summer.
I’m Italian/irish. Still laughing that this old man looks better than you and the fact that your intimidated to get mogged by a Black person
I'm English/English
Not a mutt
>colored like a mutt
might as well just be a mutt at this point
I asked for you body, not for your nationality, you neurotic mess, I'm dying from laughter at this point
>brown toned
>english
It’s over
it's OK to wish you were white
I would too if I were you :^)
You’re anything but white. Post body already so I can mog the shit out of you
>>muh deadlift is... le complex
>>when you've deadlifted 2pl8 as many times as I have you start to learn how it REALLY works... too bad... kid
Like it or not, this is what peak male performance looks like.
Did you really just flex about a 2pl8 diddly? Lmao lol even
Please tell me it was 5x10-12
Lower your tone if your hairline looks like this.
Be jelly
I weigh 80 kg and swim regularly
Thanks for being weak so I look better by comparison
>admitting to being a pudgy dyel with zero athletic capability
Its okay anon. I thought that as well when I was in my first 5 months of lifting
How can you be so weak that you can't even double overhand 5pl8? Are you a woman?
Train your grip and don't listen to homosexuals like this
>buy increasingly convoluted meme machines and spend hours to increase grip strength that no one on planet earth cares about
OR
>buy straps
Fpbp. If you’re so worried about grip strength do forearm work and have all your warm ups be neutral grip, you will notice eventually as your strapped lifts go up so will your neutral grip warm ups. Also, switching to straps for most of my back movements was a game changer because you can overload so much more
doing strapped DLs will still bring up your strapless DL so why not. especially if you do not plan on competing no reason not to use straps.
Yes, use straps, it's silly not to as they allow to train for so much bigger volume without fricking your hands up affecting everything else as well.
You should use straps on all back exercises. I'd go as far as to say you should use figure 8 straps if your goals are all about aesthetics. You don't want a small muscle that stabilizes the movement in some way limiting the growth of a large muscle being the primary mover if you can avoid it
Use straps, deadlifts are meant to push your back and leg muscles, you wont be able to push them at all if your grip gives out first. Just train grip afterwards, like a few static holds.
you would need overdeveloped forearms to be able to double overhand your max deadlift
>overdeveloped forearms
no such thing stickman
hook grip and chalk
This anon gets it. Chalk is much, much better than straps, since you still get to actually hold all of the weight and train your grip, instead of hanging the weight from your wrists with straps.
Hooking hurts like hell (it never stops hurting, you just get used to it), but again, it will train the grip more than straps (and usually make it not the limiting factor in a deadlift).
Just dont be the DYEL pulling under 315 with straps.
>Just dont be the DYEL pulling under 315 with straps
I literally have to because a hand injury has permanently fricked my right thumb. Currently using them to do 5x8 @255lbs. I hate it but my body thanks me for the work
ok so you're an exception
nobody asked, no need to justify yourself
>Should I use straps
Yes. Using straps let's you focus more on the weight than engaging in a mental combat with your wrists.
Take my advice. They work good. On the side you can train your grip.
>pic not related
So many straps posts back to back. You guys don't like mixed grip?
I have an irrational paranoia of muscle imbalance or tearing a bicep. Just nut up and use hook grip.
>use hook grip.
this
board full of fricking zoomoids
they're used to all kinds of straps
Mixed grip does the same thing as straps except it throws off your left/ right balance and puts your bicep at risk of injury.
Hook grip kills nerve cells. If you aren't roiding or trying to yank the bar up with your bicep it won't tear from mixed.
>t. deadlift 3.4x bw with mixed
Mixed is fine but if you're doing higher rep sets (especially on axle) or snatch grip straps are much less hassle. If you need to train grip specifically then do some behind the back holds out of a rack
Have used mixed grips a lot of times but in the end I don't like the unbalanced situation that comes with it. I don't lift THAT heavy to be afraid of destroying one arm's biceps tho.
>mixed grip
it pissening mlard
you can load even more with straps, ideally for warm ups I do neutral grip, hook/mixed and then bring out the straps
How much is your deadlift? If it's less then three plates you shouldn't be getting filtered by grip strength
moron shitter mong take
might as well learn how to hook grip, chalk is a must in any case
hook grip sucks for high(er) rep sets, so just use straps for that
https://youtube.com/shorts/GX21htbJqIA?si=LNn7kNef6AnaWM8x
This absolute shitter with terrible form dosn't get grip filtered at 165kg. Do people just never use their hands in day to day life or something?
There are people that can double overhand deadlift way more than either of us for a myriad of different reasons. Larger hands, stronger grip from training, stronger grip from birth etc.
By your logic, we should just fricking quit right now and let our entire posterior chains forever be limited by what we can double overhand grip, right? We can't do RDLs or barbell/DB rows with meaningful weight either, because what you can grip for the entire duration of a set is very different from what you can grip starting from the floor until lockout.
Stop being voluntarily moronic, or at least contain it to yourself
>we should just fricking quit right now and let our entire posterior chains forever be limited by what we can double overhand grip, right?
Just do low bar squats?
nta
my erectors are barely a factor in squats, because my posterior chain isn't dogshit because I didn't arbitrarily limit my DL and everything else by what I can double overhand grip
I barely even use straps but this notion
needs to die
>moron shitter mong take
I would never claim to be remarkably strong but I can double overhand 3pl8 for 2 or sometimes 3 reps on a good day.
He’s absolutely right. Much over 315 is when grip strength starts to come into play.
You should be able to pull 3pl8 for double overhand for 1 rep, otherwise your grip is weak
I can do 3pl8 double overhand, I use that grip while warming up to a certain point.
I never specifically trained for grip, or thought about it because everybody who seriously lifts uses a combination of chalk, mixed/hook grip or straps for DLs and also a bunch of other lifts. You are creating a pointless bottleneck metric.
use straps and start doing plate pinch
Use fat gripz and do deadlift bodybuilding programming for a while.
Farmer's carry too.
I dont and have never used straps but what is the purpose of 'muh grip strength' and doing a specialized grip strength program for bodybuilding?
Time would be better spent doing an actual bodybuilding program
Using straps(or any equipment really) defeats the purpose of this exercise.
If you want to train your ass more, just do isolations.
That being said, if you are powershitter or just like to see the numbers grow(alongside with the risk to fuse your disks) go ahead!
You should always train double overhand strapless up to as heavy as you can and then use straps
Your grip strength will vary day to day
When I'm having a good grip day I can overhand 4pl8 and hook grip over 5; but some days it's hard to even hook grip 4 so I use straps
Using straps all the time for every back movement is moronic tho
You want big forearms which will help lead to big bis and tris
If you're doing so much back volume your grip is failing, you're just simply doing too much volume to begin with
NTA, I'll add onto this: compounds are there to train as much as possible. A weak link is that: a weak link. It needs the exercise more. So you should do more work on that group on top of gripping your lifts, if your goal isn't just big numbers. You can always do isolation work if your goal is to isolate leg and / or back muscles. Reverse crunches are a thing hombre.
Grip on deadlifts doesn't translate to forearm strength.
That's why I mentioned doing grip work specifically.
This is the same board that thinks compounds and diet are enough for abs. 99% of people on here won't do direct forearm work kek.
Barbell deadlifts in and of themselves are a bit of a shitty grip exercise so you're better off strapping up and training grip separately with behind the back holds, grip focussed farmers (pick up, hold 5s, walk, hold 5s, drop) or double overhand axle deads
Learn hook grip and work on grip strength
I personally don't like straps because I like to build tension from getting tight in standing position then quickly bending down to take the bar. Staying in the bottom position fiddling with straps or setting up your hook grip will make you lose tension.
This is why you see most big conventional pullers using a mixed grip. Hook grip is more common with sumo.
Plenty of options.
>hook grip
>chalk
>mixed grip
>grip strengthening exercises like pinch holds, spider curls, farmer's walks, thumbless pullups, dead hangs, forearm curls, and so on
If your goal is to deadlift a lot in a competition then use straps, but if your goal is to have general strength then train your grip as well.
Spread your grip. Then your cheeks.
>tfw grip gives up at 220lbs
I have short fingers, can't even wrap my hand around the bar. Should I just go for straps? Mixed grip is not helping.
Yeah it's pathetic I'm well aware.
>Mixed grip is not helping
you are doing something extremely wrong then, the reason it works is because it eliminates the bar rolling
also chalk
also
>can't even wrap my hand around the bar
doubt it
The bar in the gym I go to is an olympic bar since they don't have dl bars. The way my hand wrap around the bar the thumb barely touches the pointer finger. Not sure if that's expected.
So what ends up happening is that the bar entire weight is pretty much sitting on the fingers. It's fricked up, I don't know why my grip is so bad. I've been improving my dead hang time hoping it would help and it's at 70 seconds which is not much but I'd expect not to be suffering in lmao2pl dl.
Few places have speciality bars, I am just saying I don't see how it's possible to have small enough hands to where you can't grip a standard oly barbell. Do you wedge your hands in? Chalk?
Are you a child?
probably a manlet
I'm a manlet but the problem is the length of the fingers. My dad is a huge dude and we have similar palm sizes, but if we compare hands my fingers are way short. This is so fricked up.
can you palm a tennis ball?
anon an olympic bar is only 28mm in diameter, how fricking tiny are your hands?
Maybe it's a shit gym with 32 or 33mm bars
You have to be eight to post here
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even with alternated hand placements you still fail grip?
straps.
What are good accessory exercises for diddles if my grip is not the limiting factor? (I'm not sure what is)
Bbc
Use straps.
You don't want grip to be your limiting factor.
You don't want to be unsymmetrical.
Are you not switching to mixed grip for heavier sets?
That should make grip strength a non factor
HOOK GRIP
just do whatever you want, man
over/underhand grip helped me immensely to get my PR by quite a margin. Before this I was limited by grip, just like you.
I haven't tried straps but I don't like the idea of them
who gives a frick about grip strength? what do you need to grip so tightly all the time?
use straps
>who gives a frick about grip strength?
It makes your forearm look bigger and you can more easily handle things. Sounds like you never lifted anything heavy or thrown a single punch
Just use straps, and double overhand.
Forearm strength matters but there are plenty of other exercises to train this. And the forearm muscles are surprisingly complicated and should be trained in a lot of different ways to forearm max
the point of a deadlift is to train your legs and back, not your grip. You WILL have to change to mixed grip if you get decently strong and there’s no reason to do that unless you compete in powerlifting. Use straps
>the point of a deadlift is to train your legs and back
Name one exercise you can use more weight for forearms
One arm deadhangs.
You're not actually training your grip on strapless deadlifts lmao.
You'll get your fingers opened and your wrist buckled back by anyone with a 40kg+ pronation and good back pressure.
It's not about the weight, it's about the movement.
Deadlifts don't work your forearms almost at all Black person lmao.
>inb4 some type of cope
Go to your local arm wrestling club and you'll get manhandled by a 150lb manlet on the table.
Your body is designed to work as a complete, self-contained unit--straps violate this principle.
>thinking your grip strength will be equivalent to leg strength
by far the gayest and most dyel thing ive read this year.
When you wear a belt or have straps, your unit knows you’re more stable/have excess grip and gives your cns signals to fire off harder
What people don't understand is that raw power needs to comes from the body and not accecorie helping you. You simply are to weak to progress and your clearly not willing to up your calories for more energie and protien so you can get stronger with the raw power. up your food intake gaygit!
>t.
>raw power needs to comes from the body and not accecorie helping you
why are you in the gym and not farmer-maxxing then?
raw food needs to come from the body and not accecorie helping you
I cant tell if everyone is dyel here cause its thanksgiving but thinking you can double overhand everything is the most dyel thing anyone can say
Use straps or mixed grip or hook grip on your top set(s), otherwise use DOH as much as possible.
>t. 633 lbs hook grip deadlift and 440 lbs doh deadlift
Yes. Use straps during top sets. Do weighted pullups to get the most out of your grip.
If you compete in powerlifting - without straps.
If you don't compete in powerlifting or compete in another sport - straps.
No straps is a meme unless you have to specifically train that way.
For your heaviest sets yes, but you should train some set without straps so as to build grip strength within the movement itself.
You should do grip exercises. Don't give yourself carpal tunnel syndrome because you wanted +5# on your lifts. In the meantime, train your endurance, or alternatively, try a different lift for activation gains.
your potential grip strength will never be equal to your potential leg strength
so use straps when your grip strength is holding you back
For me, I want to grow with the weight and that includes grip strength. When grip is keeping me down I just work on it, dial back and keep at it. Mixed grip, hook grip, chalk are all good but I’m not using and special gloves or straps.
But if your whole thing is lifting more weight then yeah use straps or cobra grips or whatever keeps the bar in your hands,
>clean
That's totally obvious, you never clean using straps if you don't want to snap your wrists. Concerning high rep deads, I can pull my 1RM without straps but more reps would just frick my hands, moreover I deadlift with a snatch grip.
>I have tiny hands
post hands in thread rn or you will get erectile dysfunction
Hook grip is basically the same as straps, making it easier, which is okay, because it's not a grip exercise
Straps are ok as long as you're lifting over 3pl and you keep it to only deads and bb rows (assuming you're pulling over 3pl). Using them for every pulling exercises is stupid and you will make no forearm gains. Taking forearms out of your lifts then going and doing forearm isos to make up for it is ass backwards and a waste of time. If you need straps to pull any weight below 305 on any exercise you need to train grip
This anon should be ignored wholesale. If you are at all concerned with the size or proportion of your forearms relative to the rest of your body then you have fricked up badly somewhere.
Forearms are like calves, you dont need to work them like you work everything else. If they are small it is because God does not like you or you are a woman. Transition
Found the chicken legs motherfricker.
Lmao my calves are probably the size of your head boi
Okay fatty mcgoo
Too add onto this, a foid came up to me in the gym the other day to ask my leg routine, said she had been working up the courage for a long time coming.
I told her squat (heavy), leg ext, ham curl, and play soccer for 15 years as a kid. Hope it helps
Shit that never happened for 400, my god.
>I'm going to ignore a muscle because I'm genetically predisposed to being small
This is why you'll never look good
left roids right natty
Holy frick that guy's arms look like straight from a video game.
>use a crutch so you can skip training the most important kind of strength
It's fine to lift with straps as long as you ALSO train your grip strength separately. No need to moron your progress in one area while catching up in another, but that's also no excuse to neglect the already disproportionately weak area.
ITT: coping brownoids