Natty lifting is a waste of time (unless you have insane genetics). Just use a little bit of test you cowards.
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Natty lifting is a waste of time (unless you have insane genetics). Just use a little bit of test you cowards.
You first
Why are you so concerned with others' time? Could it be that you lost your natty card at the first hint of challenge and are now trying to rationalize this decision?
Enjoy your "heart problems" gayboi
Im sure everyone will believe it was genetic, kek
i will not put the needle in ze ass
It appears we are at an impasse.
The main problem with frauding is that you don't know how your body is going to respond beforehand, and I honestly care more about my health than my looks.
Zyzz' death unironically scared me away from that shit.
>Zyzz' death
Zyzz did literally everything wrong
>roiding as a teenager
>using high dosage deca/tren cycles
>doing cycles back to back and effectively permablasting
>taking clen the entire time
>not doing cardio
>doing party drugs the entire time
>not getting a physical once to track how his body was handling it
>etc.
But I like natty lifting
That said, because of time constraints, I will be forced to do a cycle this year so that I can get the babes asap
If i started lifting on time (in my early 20s or earlier), I would never consider doing the drugs
Sad!
ur face is sad
If you put on muscles chemically, you'll lose all your gains waaaaaaay faster than if you packed natty.
Once the needle stops the gains drop. So you'll need to do it again, and again, and jump on TRT because your testicles don't work anymore.
Other than the gyno he looks pretty good.
He looks like the average natty lifter. If you didn't have the left pic as context you'd be defending him as solid for a natty.
think his point was that all your gains frick off the moment you stop injecting
that's not news to anybody
The average natty lifter at the gym is a moron that doesn’t know how to train nor eat.
The dude was a pro and still looks like AVERAGE natty you doesn’t fricking know what he’s doing at the gym lmao
Training is not some esoteric sciences it's very simple if you have a basic understanding of how joints move and where major muscle groups attach. Even if you don't know any of this Youtube is beyond saturated with fitness content
c'est parce qu'il a mangé le poulet roti qu'il est devenu comme ça
Putain j’ai attendu longtemps pour qu’un français réagisse ahah
c'est qui?
Un bûcheron
there's no reason to hop off
this, organ damage is easy fix, just get a transplant every few years when its due.
The test is injected for this reason, you can cycle orals as you please
yup, its completely safe, the statistic that most roidtrannies die between 30-50 is fake.
It's not most, many of the golden era are alive and well, probably still on TRT doses at minimum. Besides dying in your youth looking like a greek god is not that bad a fate.
yup like arnold who had 3 open heart surgeries 99% of them are alive and healthy totally not dead.
>99% of them are alive and healthy totally not dead
This is factually correct. Repeating it sarcastically doesn't change the fact. Nietzsche says best death for man is while chasing excellence. I have seen both my grandfathers die unable to wipe their own asses, one was in diapers for the final 2-3 months of his life. Everyone dies alone. I at the very least wish to go out on my own two feet
you'll die pissing and shitting yourself from a stroke or heart attack like everyone else, just 30 years sooner. youre not an epic warrior in a chudwave meme, and no one will care that you had slightly larger than average muscles when you're gone
It is better to die young than old.
You will die young with the old body long before your time.
You will have problems with your body long before you die.
>Behind all the cope roidtrannies are just suicidal
called it
>he needs to shoot himself with steroids to feel good about his progress
ngmi
I lift for myself
I give 0 (zero) shits about what anyone else thinks of me or if I pull women or don't
why aren't you happy with yourself anon?
pretty much this
I like what I see in the mirror, I can improve with better diet / training, I get free pussy
It's all good to me
You can be happy with yourself but you never looked at prime Arnold and wished you'd one day look like that? It takes courage to take that step
>I get free pussy
you're 100% a jestermaxxer
NTA but I have had women throw themselves at me vegana first since I turned 21 just because I have nice hair and I'm 6'4. Roiding for girls is one of the most moronest things ever conceived of or advocated for on this board. I fully support roiding for other goals however.
Congrats that you're a chad bro but that solipsistic idea that because it's easy for you it makes no sense for others to do it, maybe others have to make up for their short comings and roids are a great way for this.
And roiding for other goals such as? You don't need it for strength, or athletic performance. If you can't be competitive naturally roids will make no difference. They will however make you very esthetic even with average genetics
You have gotten so wrapped up in dogma you've forgotten why you lift. You lift to improve your health and fitness. The good looks are the visible proof of your health. If you have to poison yourself to look good, that defeats the entire purpose of lifting.
>You lift to improve your health and fitness
Only dysgenic, fat or men who started lifting too late do this. We lift to mog
ok you seriously need to post body now
So, which one are you?
none. post body, indian
Do you then not realize how gay the sentence "i lift for health" sounds? Wtf kind of normies are lurking fit nowadays to conjure up this dyel drivel. Post body immediately
>he wont
wow thats a shocker. do you know how gay ‘we lift to mog sounds?’ are you schizophrenic? why are you speaking in plural like this is a team sport? gayest shit i ever saw.
This is pure cope. Why tf would a young fit able bodied man in his prime obsess over health? You're definitely +30yo old guy coping with health. You'll never look impressive or be genuinely strong.We don't give a frick about that shit every young guy i know wants to mog
What even is the context
Its a television show. That girl is into the dude on the couch and the guy without his shirt takes his shirt off thinking the girl would instantly fall for him. Honestly poignant for IST
Ahhthx for explaining
And what will I achieve if go roidape? I might consider using some when I go further into middle age to prevent more serious illnesses from occurring, but not going to recreationally use it and still be a sad frick.
>go to gym for 10 years
>stalled on lifts 1 year in
>make no changes
>claim to be working hard
Natties will never look impressive
leaner
height??
I know they were like 5' flat but unironically how did they do it? were they gobbling bull testes or something not knowing about the hormones?
roid cope LOL. also
>caring what others find impressive enough to frick yourself up chemically AND pay for it
homosexualry overload
what (you) find impressive is not much different from the rest. So it's not really delegating this to impress others, to impress others is the same as to impress yourself. A natural body can therefore never measure to this shared new standard. hackenshmid was impressive in the 1900s but would be a gymcel in 2020s
if the "new standard" requires one to become dependent on pharmaceuticals then to hell with that shit
Take a risk boyo. Even if you don't ever recover so what? You'll be pinning once a week trt big deal. But take a risk. You have no reason to hop off anyway
you sound like a drug addict/dealer
I'm Faustian, you wouldn't get it
>Faustian
Fedora wearing hands left cheeto dust on a mechanical keyboard as they typed that
brown people cannot possibly relate i don't hold it against you
Wypipo didn't need to inject pharmaceutical drugs like trannies in order to subjugate a third of the globe. The only "brown person" here is you (if not physically, then mentally).
he is
Holy cope
>just be handsome bro
Were you just trying to flex on currycels or are you that lacking in self awareness?
>just use a little bit of test
fricking cheater. my body mogs yours and all i do is martial arts, bike everywhere, and lift weights a couple times a week.
post body
>my body mogs yours and all i do is martial arts
If you take Test your body naturally produces less of it to compensate. Do this long enough and you've permanently decreased your test
What if you are low test anyway? My levels were shut last time I checked and I'm thinking of getting the ball creams.
boyo you're not a troony, creams are for enby female rape victims, you have to pin test
I have a better body than this natty but even this is impressive to normal girls. You're all mentally ill.
Impressive probably isn't the right word. It's just normal.
Most people are fat. A ton are obese. This impresses most normal people trust me. I've been called intimidatingly fit and I'm just a bit more jacked than him.
yeah I decided to do a test cycle after a few years of good natty progress and it just sped up the progress to pretty much what i wanted, stil a few weeks to the end
think i'll do a cutting cycle later during the year, around june, and then just maintain so i can focus more on other stuff
only sides i got is i'm sweatier, didn't even need AI
shit's so fricking easy just don't be poor
it is what it is
>unless you have insane genetics
I have this insane genetic ability to not care what homosexuals on the internet think. I'll continue not roiding.
They seriously haven't made a testosterone that doesn't have a bunch of side effects? My balls make it every day, how come I can't just have more?
use your tiny bird brain for once and figure it out
These are the guys giving you life advice on IST
>homies be roiding just to be swole ass waiters
There's no reason to roid for strength or athletic performance, i have a 300kg deadlift and i don't look impressive. You can be very strong naturally but if you want to mog esthetically you need steroids. The only reason to roid is esthetics
>be me
>swole bartender
>unlimited mires daily
>you're a big guy (for you) etc.
>better tips due to sick fisique
The roidtrannies that do it to impress people are the most pathetic, I can't imagine convincing yourself you need steroids to impress the same normalgays who think ottermode is impressive.
the ottermode in question
Frick off Jeff
Seethe
When i have to stop neeting and get a job I'm hoppnig on the roids. Probably this time next year i should be on roids. I already have very high natural strength(+2/3/4/5) and size but would like to be big and very lean 10-12% bf. Hopefully also roids raise my metabolism and appetite so i can have easier time eating. because i have trouble even maintaining my bw at 115kg. Think 120kg lean would be ideal for me. I also do wish to live past 50yo so if roids kill me at the peak of my youth, which is very unlikely, that's also fine
LMAO IS THAT LOOKSMAXIMUS?
Man I miss him.
Frick /misc/ for disgruntling him.
Do you post there?
I look pretty decent, easily top 1 or 2%. That's not saying much, but I'm relatively tall, blond, have full head of hair, non-poo eyes, white, good muscle mass, good frame. Smart (I think I'm a moron, but I'm an engineer so I made it passed that filter).
My lifts are decent, not stalling so far. Used to lift pretty heavy but stopped because it was useless, now I full body three times a week.
All and all, pretty solid for a 28 year old. I have no need to roid. When I start pushing 35-40, maybe I'll pin to maintain a healthy young adult level of test, for now? Waste of time and money.
>decent
>easily top 1 or 2%
you don't even believe yourself
I do, it's just I live in North America. Being top 1-2% doesn't really take much. Just not eating garbage and walking alone would put you into the top 10-15%, top 5-10% of you have decent face and hair. Lift even a little bit and you're pretty much there.
I also have a very defined jaw and am very handsome, and more people than just my mom told me that, as a side note. Yes I lift and put in effort on top of the bare minimum, but I acknowledge I was handed a very good deck of cards genetically. I'm married with kids though and started my career recently, I don't use my looks to any particular advantage. But I notice I get mires a lot. Call me a liar or not, doesn't change anything to me. Just saying I don't need roids to cope, and don't need them to look better than the rest at the moment.
Well if you're married then it makes sense you wouldn't roid. Why did you marry so young especially in this social climate? This is very low iq play. Men need to stop marrying under gynocentric laws and society. Until we have the equivalent of a Sharia law in Europe
It says in plain text that I live in NA, why would European sharia law change anything? Is this a 5D chess move I'm not getting?
Also, marrying is legit a high IQ move. Only Black folk don't marry. Married men on average: live longer, make more income, and have higher status. If you become a fat slob because you got married that an individual skill issue. Also I wanted to have kids, and I wanted them as young as possible. I didn't want to be pushing 40 then get my first born, frick that. I want to chase them around and play, it's more fun being a nimble parent. I also know I wanted to maybe pin one day, like I said, to get 18 year old test levels when I'm older, wanted to secure my lineage before I potentially frick my nuts up.
>live longer
take less risk, doesn't necessarily mean better life spent
>make more income
to support their families, doesn't necessarily mean they enjoy any of it
>have higher status
Not buing it, it's also hard to define, but i'd love to see a statistic though
I talk about Europe because every other western state can be inferred i don't actually know or care where you're from even if you mentioned it
>live longer
Loneliness is the new trend when it comes to epidemics and it's a growing one. It takes about 15 years off of lifespan. Being married is defacto not being lonely.
>to support families
Why make money if it's not to raise a family? What do you live for, material goods? Are you a asiatic or an arab?
>higher status
By being married you're already vetted as not a loser to all women so you're instantly more desirable sexually. Also you're seen as more mature and dependable to employers and colleagues. Your advice is more appreciated.
>statistic
>muh numbers
Everything I do is based on my gut and life experience. All I do is wing it and win it and it makes incel blackpillers seeth.
Also, you ignored the most important part, having kids. Best thing you can do, one thing that is inarguably what everyone is meant for, the whole goal of life is to procreate. And having kids out of wedlock is defacto Black person behaviour. If you don't want to be a loser, you need kids, and if you're not a loser, you have kids while married. It's how it is.
15 years at the end of your life don't matter. How many men are in dead merriages aka lonely? divorce rate at >50% in first world gynocetric societies. Ask any arab or muslim with draconian patriarchy what their divorce rates are
>Why make money if it's not to raise a family?
i just explained why you're logic is flawed.. You don't have to break your back to make as much money as possible if you're chilling single.
>All I do is wing it and win it and it makes incel blackpillers seeth
we're trying to warn you but cool you're a hateful normie
>Best thing you can do, one thing that is inarguably what everyone is meant for, the whole goal of life is to procreate
your life goals are the same as a worm, or a dog. And even then they don't do it for any other reason than to coom. If you have no familial generational legacy to pass to a son there's no logical reason to bring a child in this world
I think people get divorced because they are weak willed. We live in a society where it's too easy to throw things away and replace them than to keep things and fix it for the better. Before if you got divorced, you'd go to hell or whatever. Nowadays people don't care and get a divorce at the slightest hiccup. Seeing others fail shouldn't make you give up on what's right.
Shit's expensive nowadays, even people chilling single have to make a decent chunk of change if they want to live off of something that's not ramen.
I'm not hateful, I just refuse to be dragged into the bucket by fellow crustaceans.
You don't need to be a dependant of a king to have something to pass on. Just teach your kids to be good people and make this wretched planet that much better.
bro i am an outlier, there's no bucket here, the bucket is all the normie Black person cattle going to marry modern females. Somehow you think you're counter culture for doing this. No, your kids are destined to be attention prostitute cum dumpsters or jestermaxxers and incels
>Smart
>but I'm an engineer
Lol even code monkeys rank higher in the stem world in terms of "smarts". Absolute bottom of the brain totem pole in terms of "smart" jobs.
subhuman cope, kys ranjesh
>t. cucked by patel in IT, hasn't stopped obsessing over it, assumes his physical/mental superiors MUST be one of those no-do-gooders who lured my high school crush away
lol you look like shit, have a shit brain and a tiny, limp dick you absolute homosexual manlet. prove me wrong; concession prematurely accepted, we all know you won't because you can't, martinez
no thx, i don't want to troon out and like my balls functioning.
So he was a homosexual before t and became a bigger homosexual. Got it.
>and then everyone clapped
If your goal is just to get huge/jacked/yoked etc and started late then yeah you’re spinning your wheels but you’ll still look better than an overwhelming majority of men and will be healthy so that’s hardly a waste of time. With an early start and “winning” genes you could get pretty big tho
I have good genes and am ""big" but genes doesn't matter you can only pick 2. big, lean, natural
>ruin your body for no reason
bro....
Dennis was more fit in later seasons i think. and even there is good enough to be active and get women.
gl to all.
conservative test dose or TRT+ and being lean is healthier than being clinically overweight/obese over the long term
I wonder how many people on this board have man breasts and elevated blood pressure while bemoaning 200mg test
>you roid or you are obese
Muttland everybody
Just use diet to manipulate your test levels.
i look like that
At a certain point the reward is maintaining your aesthetics.
>insane genetics
If you don't have the genetics to look good without drugs you won't look good with them either
dont do it kids it will make you dependent unbalanced, age the shit out of you and makes you weaker in the long run both mentally and physiclly litterly a drugs for woman brained people
natty lifting does seem like a scam
i havent been to the gym vigourously in 10years +
and people still ask me if I lift
I'm not even shredded, I'm fat as frick
being a mesomorph is a cheat code
Can somebody post a picture of what peak natty actually is? I basically just want pic related with a bit more chest definition.
It varies from person to person
That's not peak natty, but that is Bruce Lee's son, he may not have been training for size.
bump
Demoralizing shit thread