I have never fully watched a single one of his videos because of the accent, not to mention the hour long ones. No matter how interesting the title or description might sound.
>I have never fully watched a single one of his videos
I was into NH a few years ago since hid vids made for good background noise but the more I listened , the more I also realized how long-winded and pointless most of his arguments are. He's got a stick up his own ass and people specifically listen to him because of the accent, not in spite of it.
The reason you think this is because to look like you lift without a shirt on…
1) You have to be fairly lean to look like you lift as a natural shirtless, like legit 10% or less bodyfat because natural muscle mass potential is so small that you need a lot of the fat stripped off your frame for your muscle mass to show and give defined definition and separation
2) Steroids allow you to build so much muscle that you can be 15-20% bodyfat and still have muscle definition and separation
The issue for natties is that if you’re like 15-20% bodyfat (where most will be) you won’t have any muscle definition because fat will be covering the muscle
So if you plan on being natural and staying natural, you should focus on getting to 10% bodyfat and staying there and trying to make lean gains there. Or you will be forced to do bulking and cutting, but expect to never look like you lift (naked) when bulking
Looking good while bulked up is literally only possible for roiding levels of muscle mass on your frame.
The good thing is natties can get pretty fricking shredded and diced, and actually look leaner than a roider, roiding causes water retention which is why elite natural bodybuilders can look way leaner than elite roiding bodybuilders
where the frick do you guys get these fantasies from
getting muscle without gaining fat doesn't exist unless you are on lots of gear, the body without exception stores fat on a caloric surplus no matter what, getting to low BF natty is fukcing hell, "natural" bodybuilders look less lean than openweight olympias and they also look so tiny they borderline look like endurance athletes, where in the everloving frick do you get the idea from that steroid users look less lean than people who don't roid? your imagination?
I think he means competition-tier bf%, which looks ugly as shit even on roiders, imagine how MASSIVE a pro bodybuilder would be if he was allowed to be at 12% bf, more people would get into it tbf
It's like this but completely opposite.
15-20% for looking yoked, being strong and feeling healthy while having fun because lifs actually progress
Sub 10% for social media mental illness posting
Yeah I'm not too sure about that RE natties having to be like 10%. I did one of those body scans just last week and it stated I'm 19.4% but I think I still look like I lift despite having a clearly natty level of muscle mass. Plus, by being 19% I can make progress without getting fatter than this because recomping is possible at this bodyfat range.
It’s funny you’re the only person who agrees with me.
All these other morons think because they look “big” in clothes at 15-20% bodyfat that it means you can be that BF as a natty
I’m talking about being shirtless, naturals need to be 10% bodyfat or less to have definition and separation, all of that goes away at 15-20%
Only steroid users maintain that definition at separation at 15-20% because they have so much muscle that it overwhelms the fat. You can’t “overwhelm” bodyfat as a natural by gaining muscle, a natural needs to cut away all the fat to actually have good definition and muscle separation due to how smaller natural muscles are
it is real muscle, cope harder
steroid users are dozens of pounds heavier in lean mass than naturals and look leaner even at a higher bf%
>tldr
Matthew, get off the internet for the day dude.
wrong guy, I'm not shitalian-arab
you're out of your mind. manletdestiny made very obvious gains since then. he is bigger than that and leaner at the same time.
>you're out of your mind
look at the 2016 video, then look at his 2021 fatloss transformation video at the exact same bodyweight, tell me where the progress is
sure he got a bit stronger with neurological adaptations on some exercises but in terms of actual muscle it's impossible to tell if he gained a single pound of muscle in the last 8 years of training. >he is bigger than that and leaner at the same time
pic related
>recovery capacity are elite tier
isnt this because he was a runner and already an athlete to begin with
maybe it's his running background, maybe it's his genetics, possibly a combination of both
regardless his muscle insertions, ability to recover from resistance training and ability to grow and muscle insertions are elite tier he looks better than competitive bodybuilders
I don't even know why people are arguing with you man, shit's getting moronic.
Your hot takes so far >natties need lower bodyfat to show separations
I guess it depends on genetics and the muscle we're talking about but this is true. As an example my quads have that teardrop thing even when I'm around 20%bf but that's one part of a muscle and I naturally have massive legs >there is a natty limit >steroids build real muscle
No shit lmao
>pic
alright, you have more of a point than I thought. 2016-21 is definitely a discussion. I don't see much of a difference. 21-23 I think his forearms, biceps and delts got bigger but even there, I have to admit the difference is subtle.
I'm also interested in the discussion about GVS. he always downplays his genetics as average and I thought I was the only one who thinks he is gifted. I do firmly believe he's natty but I don't believe just anyone can achieve (some of) his measurements, especially given how long his limbs are. his arms are truly inspiring, especially for me because my arms are long.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not exactly saying alex made 0 gains, it's just very hard to tell
my point is only that he already look good with little training time and close to his genetic limit, and I think this happens to pretty much everyone else unless their training or diet are terrible
if I'm not mistaken he switched to a plant based diet right around 2017-2018 and has been following one ever since, possible that the lack of progress might have something to do with it but I don't know, I honestly think he simply got to 90% of his genetic potential with 2 years of training and no matter how he trains or eats he will never make noticeable progress on anything from that point on unless he started taking gear
180lbs lean at 5'5 is insane > he always downplays his genetics as average
ofc he does, all these noble natty dudes that happen to have a great physique do this
in reality he looks better than bodybuilders that compete
above average lifters and genetic phenoms larping as mid gymcels reminds me of models talking trash about lookism lol
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
GVS is gifted, I remember him saying his waist was around 29 in. and this was when he was bulking. It helps that the only people around him are Chinese tbf, we haven't seen him in person with someone that even gets close
You aren't 10% bodyfat. And nobody is "staying and making lean gains at 10% bf, least of all you you fricking DYEL.
God you are so fricking moronic. There's plenty of dudes with the "bouncer" physique that look muscular but don't defined abs.
Its literally the EXACT opposite way that you are describing. How are you fricking moronic incels on IST able to not just be wrong, but be literally the exact opposite of the truth wrong.
Because he is a heightfraud and is actually around 5'8". You can scale up/down your arm size to match your fraud height but you can't scale up weights.
Funny that he's becoming relevant here now when he already peaked after his lifting x berserk shtick peaked almost a year and a half ago.
His content is already firmly in dogshit territory now.
Look bro I'm 100% Italian American and yes RF has an Italian surname but his features are just weird, there's something else there. Like this random guy from Jersey Shore looks fully Italian (like most Italian-Americans), RF not so much, maybe he just has unfortunate lips genetics I don't know.
Italians don't look that way. He's mulatto. Not to be cliche but the sopranos is what Italian Americans look like. Rf looks like the hodge twins twink cousin.
yeah, opened and closed the vid instantly, not gonna spend my time looking at some indian disgusting looking mutt. I have zero respect to that kind of shade people
>basing a man's whole worth on his beauty
modern man is so buck broken and cucked he even thinks like a roastie. No doubt you're a western european or american, most female brained men presently
>the low IQ internet meatheads are fighting again
Revival is so dumb he's actually hard to listen to and NH isn't smart enough to be as arrogant as he is. GVS is leagues better than either because his ego and advice match his intelligence.
GVS isn't as intelligent as he lets on. Two years ago he claimed to have cut 7 kgs in 2 months. That's a deficit of around 850-900 Cal per day for 2 months straight. He was either an idiot BSing his stats or is a roider (or both).
tbh I cut with that big of a deficit sometimes and I don't really think it's as bad as people say. That aside, 7 kg in 2 months really isn't that much unless he's claiming it's all from fat. Like I've legit lost like 6 or 7 lbs very quickly within a week just from water weight and whatnot, doubling that really doesn't sound too implausible within 2 months.
He just recommends aggressively cutting because long cuts suck and any muscle loss that might occur is probably less than you might think and muscle memory kicks in quickly when you bulk again.
The Noble Natties definitely exhibit dumb cultish behavior but RF really has no space to be insulting anyone. This is the guy who concluded all of humanity are lying scumbags because he couldn't hack it as an actor in LA or whatever and seems to have learned nothing from the experience. Yeah dude, it turns out when you're an insufferable homosexual you don't make a lot of friends and you mostly attract trashy women. Who knew.
>I repeatedly made videos indirectly insulting a bunch of guys >Haha they responded look at how triggered they are
Revival Fitness must have spent his college days posting on IST way too much if he acts like this without anonymity too. It really puts into perspective his general life situation, where he's someone who left LA almost certainly after washing out of show business and spends a lot of his time bitterly talking about how much he hates LA, college, and trashy women. You'd think at some point he'd realize what the common denominator in all this is.
2 minutes in he still hasn't said what he is talking about
Every single freak like this is a complete waste of space and should never be listened to. He could just say what the deal is and move on, instead it's >ok so these guys are like so like dumb and bad >and umm this one guy has a cartoon avatar >and guys like seriously I am spitting truth and those other people are bad
If you have a point to make then make it instead of having to cope and frame the entire thing and slander the opposition of what you're about to say before you've even said it. Over 2 minutes in the video and there isn't a clue there for what he is talking about, not in the title of the video, not in the thumbnail, not in what he says. All I know so far is that ''those guys'' are really bad and they reply to him and they aren't calm and collected like this ugly dude.
>I really don't care about this shit guys >This is why I made a 15 minute response video, edited it (complete with a cut in from a totally different recording session) and posted it online with a customized thumbnail that required me to obsessively hatewatch my opposition for unflattering screenshots
I have to imagine anybody who takes RF seriously has to be really young. Like at least the other guys don't make "I'm so above it all" their online persona.
Didn't he initially get a huge boom in his channel because he shat his diapers for like 2 hours straight over how Greg Doucette was constantly spouting nonsense between his inane drama videos?
So now he's just doing the same thing, except he skipped the part where he actually got an impressive physique first? Doucette's an idiot but he actually is jacked at least.
this
some here are so delusional about how things work
if you don't have an impressive physique after 3 years of training you will never have an impressive physique naturally
the human body isn't just a machine that grows bigger and bigger muscles the longer it's used lol, you have your genes, diet gives you the building blocks and regulates your gene expression, training further regulates your gene expression
that's it
there's nothing magical about training that you accumulate year in year out, it's just your genetic bodyplan being being drawn
after 3 years of serious training no matter how you train you will at least have 90% of your possible gains
every single person who looks impressive looked impressive in their first 3 years of serious training
Not true. I was a beginner for years because I didn't understand relevant rep ranges. I found out from a natural hypertrophy video that just blasting out sets of 40 faster and faster would have extremely poor diminishing returns and that working in the 3-10 or even 10-20 range and ADDING WEIGHT is what's most effective.
how come he doesn't progress at all if his training is so good? how come he's weaker and smaller than he was several years ago?
maybe because it doesn't matter what he does and it's all genetics, oh wait that can't be true he just isn't following the perfect split with the right amount of tonnage lol that must be it it just does... because he says so
2 minutes in he still hasn't said what he is talking about
Every single freak like this is a complete waste of space and should never be listened to. He could just say what the deal is and move on, instead it's >ok so these guys are like so like dumb and bad >and umm this one guy has a cartoon avatar >and guys like seriously I am spitting truth and those other people are bad
If you have a point to make then make it instead of having to cope and frame the entire thing and slander the opposition of what you're about to say before you've even said it. Over 2 minutes in the video and there isn't a clue there for what he is talking about, not in the title of the video, not in the thumbnail, not in what he says. All I know so far is that ''those guys'' are really bad and they reply to him and they aren't calm and collected like this ugly dude.
he is right but he is terrible at getting an actual message across
his message is that the noble natty crowd is a circlejerk which it is
GVS isn't as intelligent as he lets on. Two years ago he claimed to have cut 7 kgs in 2 months. That's a deficit of around 850-900 Cal per day for 2 months straight. He was either an idiot BSing his stats or is a roider (or both).
intelligence==wisdom
losing 7kg of bodyweight in 2 months is nothing
not all bodyweight lost in a cut is fat
850-900 caloric deficits for 2 months isn't that extreme unless you're ripped
out of all things these people say is the one you pick for criticism? jfl
>how come he doesn't progress at all if his training is so good? how come he's weaker and smaller than he was several years ago?
maybe because it doesn't matter what he does and it's all genetics, oh wait that can't be true he just isn't following the perfect split with the right amount of tonnage lol that must be it it just does... because he says so
Nah you're definitely right about his method not is methodology made me stall hard after two years. Funny you post a picture of Mike Mentzer because after one year of no progress I started using HIT and in the past six months I've seen pretty decent progress in certain lifts (the ones put first in the program mainly).
I do think there's a "natural limit," but I think you approach asymptotically. In other words, you will never reach your Natty limit, not because it's so high or not there, but because it's nearly impossible to maintain that perfect diet, routine and lifestyle. Natural Hypertrophy looks worse (to you, I think he looks best in his outdoor calisthenics video that he shot in France in the summer) for a few different reasons, the main one I think is just that it's difficult to make progress when you're that lean, and he fell off.
Also, Checked.
What does your physique look like after 3 years? If you don't look impressive after 3 years you will NEVER look good.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Technically I've been training since I was a teen but I've only made appreciable progress in the last 3.5 years because I didn't understand intensity back then. I stalled on my third year of intense training because I didn't understand recovery.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah you look like shit dude. If this is all you could muster after years of lifting you should just give up. Even a bad routine and bad diet will make someone with potential look decent after a few years, but you? You'll never look good, you'll never look aesthetic, you'll never look impressive, you'll never look like you lift... Unless you roid like a normal person.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm gonna be honest if I was lifting since my teens and looked like this I would kill myself. You should have a nice day today.
Not vegetarian. He has several male relatives (including his father I think) that died young to heart disease, and it turns out they have a hereditary problem with red meat or something like that. He eats eggs, fish, and chicken.
>someone who doesn't eat beef and dairy products.
this is what I don't get. How the frick can you be proud of being a frenchman if you can't eat cow products like beef and cheese, then go on and talk about "genetics" like he cracked the code to natural bodybuilding.
NH is now merely a "content creator", he's washed
GVS still has something to say
Basement Bodybuilding is the most boring man alive
Alan Thrall is good but basically irrelevant
Enkiri is too nice to get into the dirt
I think RF can win this one
I forgot Bald Omni Man, maybe he can give us some kino but he has his cool detached persona so I don't think he will.
If you ask me I think BASED BLAHA will BLAST these BUFFOONS
Yeah I like him, he comes off as a bit of a tryhard imo but hey it's his thing and his advice is generally good and also very unusual for what I normally do
So far I've seen a benefit with implementing some of his advice (for example, actually tracking what I eat and how I cook). One thing that slightly bothers me is the charts and such, I'm too much of a moron to follow.
it's hilariously ironic how the only one of the "noble natties" worth listening just so happens to be the one with the greatest genetics yet they all deny the importance of genetics for bodybuilding
GVS has 10-20kg of actual muscle tissue on all of them and trains like a total bro
"fluff and pump" means nothing, training to failure will give you a bigger pump than not training to failure, which is what GVS does and what most bros do, training to failure on almost every set even using partial reps on some of them which is considered to be dumb and "suboptimal"
>Enkiri is too nice to get into the dirt
Enkiri tears people apart when they try to step in his lane.
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That's because GVS is "natty." His genetics are good, but his rate of progress is unbelievable.
here comes the cope
the dude is natty, he is simply genetically gifted for bodybuilding unlike the vast majority of the people that lift weights, he already looked like a hyper responder in his first year of training and his muscle insertions and recovery capacity are elite tier, he made little progress over the years, he was already jacked as hell before 2019 check his earliest photos and videos the dude is a phenom
>they all deny the importance of genetics for bodybuilding
Literally none of those listed do this. You're moronic or seriously acting in bad faith like some sort of hysterical woman.
>Literally none of those listed do this
literally all of them did actually, you're 100% wrong and mad af for insulting your little e-idols and it's so obvious that it's laughable
they constantly try to deny the "natty limit" exists (aka genetic limit) and lie to themselves or their brainlet fans that there is no such thing and that they only have to find the magic special super secret and esoteric training program for them to finally look like gods
he's probably weaker even, notice he used to pos deadlift and ohp PR videos, now all he's posting are modified isolations nobody cares about
yeah that's what's so incredible about this whole thing, there are several videos of guys like him saying stupid shit like there's no "natty limit" or that genetics don't matter and only blackpilled dyels believe so, yet they all stagnate and even regress following their own advice LMAO
I guess their 95IQ fanbase needs their gay cope to keep going so they don't even try to question these people
the only one in this "noble natty" circle that has made any visible progress in the last 4 years is GVS and he's stalling hard now despite being a genetic phenom, alex leonidas looks nearly the exact same now as he did when he was mainly doing calisthenics in 2016, if you don't believe me go look for his older videos, he made 0 visible progress
Yeah that’s what he claims. The reality is that any special sauce he got from running probably isn’t benefiting him currently unless he’s still hitting cardio hard. It’s not like his elite vascularity or whatever the frick he claims magically extended itself into 50lbs of newly grown muscle that was never subjected to that cardio stress. It’s literally just some bullshit he made up to justify what’s going on.
I find it interesting with GVS that he is known for being able to actually lift considerable less weight than what you would expect from his muscular condition, or maybe that has changed don't know. He said his bench press max is/was something like 1x115kg which isn't the worst thing ever but it's pretty much a bare minimum if weights are not only your hobby but a profession. But if he's a bodybuilder then the kg or lbs he lifts doesn't technically matter.
GVS's top bench etc. is a meme that people spread around. It's a relatively low bench for his size because he was talking about the context of the last time he did a one rep max, which was like 3 or 4 years ago. His point was more that testing one rep maxes is dumb.
His "true" max bench is probably way higher, even without any prep for a one rep max. People are just dumb and do not listen to what was actually said.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay I didn't know if it was a meme or a rep but GVS and Alan Thrall seem like they don't really feel like doing bench press for the sake of bench press, Thrall made a video about it not a long ago I think.
Anyway, I don't think the "real" 1RM max matter because it varies from day to day, something like 90-95% of 1RM is a better measurement in a way because that would the be weight you know you can push for 1 rep unless you are feeling really weak that day but not for 2 reps. And that would be used to calculate the % programs too, the "real" 1RM is a theoretical one.
Like if someone can do 1x115kg in bench any on basically any day of the week then their theoretical max might be 117.5-125kg but it doesn't matter.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Funny for Thrall of all people to be against it given that he was pretty much one of the OG SS guys. Literally trained under Rippetoe if I remember right.
I get where the Noble Natties are coming from when they crap on the big three and the culture surrounding it (leads to muscular weaknesses, chasing strength too much etc), but sometimes I get the impression that newbie lifters might listen to them and think "oh okay, I could just skip the barbell and do nothing but machines and get big", which is technically true but they never learned the necessity of pushing themselves the way free weights teach you to. Like I'm pretty sure every single one of these guys got their start doing an SS program or something similar, so this whole "If I had trained this other way from Day 1 I would've saved so much time" is purely theoretical based off their better intermediate/advanced progress.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe SS worker for Thrall to some extent because he is pretty bottom heavy, not deformed but his strength is obviously around his hip area. Some people are born like that and other people are reversed, they might bench a lot because they are gifted but they struggle to squat or deadlift for shit. But Thrall has since left behind SS and powerlifting and that's cool because people tend to have phases and the same lifts might not work or be interesting for 20 years.
>they all deny the importance of genetics for bodybuilding
Literally none of those listed do this. You're moronic or seriously acting in bad faith like some sort of hysterical woman.
>Enkiri is too nice to get into the dirt
Enkiri tears people apart when they try to step in his lane.
it's hilariously ironic how the only one of the "noble natties" worth listening just so happens to be the one with the greatest genetics yet they all deny the importance of genetics for bodybuilding
GVS has 10-20kg of actual muscle tissue on all of them and trains like a total bro
That's because GVS is "natty." His genetics are good, but his rate of progress is unbelievable.
>Basement Bodybuilding is the most boring man alive
Are you watching those guys for entertainment or to educate yourself? If you really are a brain rotten zoomer, go watch roidtrannies asking milfs of the streat what they think of their abs, serious channels are not for you.
He has interesting stuff to say but his presentation skills are low (new channel blah blah) and he can't bring the fire when it comes to drama, if I want a shitshow I'm not watching him. He's ok but if I had to say which noble natty I can live without he's out, simple as.
There's no good reason to watch literally any fitness youtuber unless you're a beginner. Lifting is not that complicated that it justifies hundreds of hours worth of youtube videos. Just lift
Even if you can get past the accent which can make him difficult to understand at times, Natural Hypertrophy drones on for ages about something in a very unengaging way. If he was a schoolteacher he'd be the one you'd complain about being boring as frick even if the subject matter was technically really interesting. If you're too much of an ADHD mongloid to sit down and read, you'd be better off listening to actual philosophy lectures. There's plenty out there.
His philosophy is so shit honestly. He says there is no truth and that alone renders his philosophy mere sophistry. Stoicism is okay especially when interpreted through a Christian lense (he doesn't) but when he gets into Nietzsche and masculinity it's just a "cool" or motivational narrative, it's not a viable philosophical system.
Nah its good to watch for drama
Im paying attention to natural hypertrophy beef with revival fitness
People calling out fouad for pimping out sam sulek
Not true. I was a beginner for years because I didn't understand relevant rep ranges. I found out from a natural hypertrophy video that just blasting out sets of 40 faster and faster would have extremely poor diminishing returns and that working in the 3-10 or even 10-20 range and ADDING WEIGHT is what's most effective.
He used to look so much better. I guess good for him if he is content with his life now but it always sucks to see people devolve (in my eyes at least).
i think its because all his older vids he had a pump and better lighting, also doesnt have the stress from a job and a family
like when he was doing that clapping shit to turn the light back on, it was directly above him
For sure but I just feel like he has let himself go, not the body I agree that he most likely just put more effort to how he looked before. His stats are probably better now but his hair and the beard, he just looks so much worse. But right, he has a family now, not like he is trying to attract any new females so I get it.
https://i.imgur.com/BpwIz6u.jpg
Natty lifting is an absolute joke
But to look like this is....its just a shame. Used to have such a nice clean cut look.
Everybody who is somebody in this fitness sphere is on steroids, it's very easy to condemn them all as gay in a sour grapes attempt to gaslight yourself but that's a cope. The truth is steroids are a miracle drug, you'd be considered a demigod in ancient Greece if you had a roider physique, but it takes balls to hop on steroids, cowards like you can only seethe
It's not but making up some ubermensh fantasy larp about yourself is ubercringe. Even lying basic shit like "I never drank coffee" when he has a moka pot right on the stove in his cooking vid.
NH looks like absolute shit these days. He's getting fat, his long greasy hair makes him look like a hobo, and he never shows his physique in his videos anymore. He hasn't even taken his shirt off in a video for months, when he used to post training videos and show off his physique constantly.
I used to love his channel, but now it feels like he's run out of stuff to say and doesn't even care that much about training anymore. I know he had a baby recently, but still. He has a new home gym but he doesn't even record in there, he showed the setup at the end of a video ages ago but that was it.
His training consists mostly of meme exercises, at least he's somewhat objective in his tier lists and doesn't let his own biases influence him too much. They're the last good videos he made btw, I miss old NH and his program reviews, his anime AMVs were also kino.
That’s the problem with fitness YouTubers. There really is only so much to say. Eventually they run out of ways to repeat themselves even and then just start accusing each other of steroids. The truth is they all are.
Well I mean you see his triceps don't even have it in them to actually extend the elbows to do the last 1/3 of the rep. You have pretty much trained your shoulders already in the bottom 2/3 and that last 1/3 is just triceps and some upper back stabilizers but c'mon..
i still have no idea why he hasnt deleted this embarrassment of a video
maybe because negativity from it is actually Nietzschean or some bullshit
Deleting might just cause people to reupload it and laugh more.
That's not even the worst part, he has elbow sleeves on which add at least 10 kg.
He couldn't do 1 rep 1 plate OHP without any equipment fully locked after 10 years training.
Natty has nothing to do with it, he is just bad at lifting. Why people would follow his advice boggles my mind.
Because that picture is zoomed the frick in and cropped to appear "impressive". Same way instagram thots trick you.
Put him next to a normal guy that doesn't lift and he won't look impressive at all.
>Yet his shoulders look like this
gonna give a you a proper response with no irony or shit talking
his shoulders are the same size as those of people that completely avoid training shoulders and just train arms and pecs >Ultimate proof that strength is a complete meme. It truly does not matter.
how can you believe this
muscle is muscle, you can't lift weights without the contractile tissue and in the case of the overhead press the limiting muscle is always the shoulder complex since your triceps are strong enough to extend the elbow with much heavier weight on something like a bench press
knowing this, which muscles do you think are doing the bulk of the work in a overhead press if not the shoulders? and if shoulders are doing the work then how are you gonna overhead press heavy without developed shoulders? how are developed shoulders gonna lift average or below average weights?
it's no wonder his weakest bodypart is his most lagging muscle NH even admits it
>how can you believe this
I was shitposting. gays here like to bring NH's ohp up as some type of own but why should he care when his explicitly stated goal is only to grow in size? That said there is some truth to it. I think you're right that, generally, a weak lift corresponds to a lagging muscle (also true for GVS and his bench/pecs), but you're way exaggerating by saying they look like he doesn't even train them. They're not outstanding, but they're not disproportionally small either, especially as he's begun training them more seriously (see
https://i.imgur.com/JdxYWqP.jpg
They look alright to me.
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Size is strength but strength isn't always size. Sometimes, people can just be bad at a lift, but it can still stimulate growth.
>gays here like to bring NH's ohp up as some type of own but why should he care when his explicitly stated goal is only to grow in size?
he openly stated in the past that he wanted the smaller shoulders and big arms look didn't he?
I find it hard to believe he isn't any stronger on overhead pressing now that he has been putting effort into training shoulders
And when I talk about people being gifted or not gifted in certain lifts, I talk about how every single hobby or professional lifter lifted their first 1-2 years without any sort of a program while they eat like shit and some of them also slept like shit and/or hit the bottle. So that's where the genetics come to play, you will both start and end with different numbers lifted during those first 1-2 years while doing what you feel like.
>GVS
obviously fake natty >NH
manlet, autist, probably pins and justifies it in one way or another >RF
is absolutely right about YT fitness circlejerks, natty or not >Alex
turbo manlet, prolly roids, but otherwise alright in a highly specific and cuddly way
the biggest morons however are people who watch them regularly and become emotionally invested in their dramas
the whole industry is just one big scam btw, this is why people like Mentzer are worth listening to -- primarily because he's dead and following his advice won't cost you time and resources, on the contrary even
RF is pretty much right in most of what he says, but it's also really funny to look at his history of videos and figure out the kind of guy he is. >bitched about how useless college degrees are >went to LA after college >left LA because he couldn't build a career there >placed last place in a bodybuilding show despite it being the one thing he shows a small bit of promise in >now posts redpill shit all the time and gets into stupid internet drama with other internet lifters
So this is a guy who got a degree in a useless major, went to LA hoping to hit it big, realized his douchebag persona isn't going to get him ahead in such a superficial industry unless you actually have some talent, and leaves LA angry and bitter at life and now spends his days ranting to children on the internet about how he's seen it all. He's in his late 20s and he's already acting like a guy in his middle age who had his whole life come crashing down.
The whole "beef" is dumb because they technically agree on like 90% of the actual points (basically "fake natties are everywhere and the fitness industry is wall to wall lies"), the main difference is just one of attitude. Simply put, GVS and other noble natties sell hopium and RF just sells b***hing about life. RF thinks this is hypocritical and the noble natties think that being a blackpilled moron is self-defeating. Also RF basically accused GVS of being a fake natty so there's a personal insult element.
You can make the argument both are technically right, but the obvious thing to point out is if RF's stance is inherently contradictory. A blackpilled guy making videos about how hopeless shit is isn't doing anything but looking for people to join him in his misery. Like why are you making videos at all if you think everyone, including yourself, is a liar?
Which really puts into perspective what people know about RF's personal life. Say what you will about GVS being a geomaxxer or Basement Bodybuilding being a boring frick, but it seems like they're pretty content with their lives whereas RF is just clearly seething that he failed at getting a career or decent relationship, and he thinks it's purely because the world is unfair and not even partially because he's clearly an awful guy to be around.
Also the way they interact with you also betrays their level of intelligence and honesty. If you challenge GVS in his comment section with a decent argument, he usually writes pretty in-detail rebuttals to you. RF usually either makes some non sequitur argument, insults you, or just deletes your comment.
>RF is just clearly seething that he failed at getting a career or decent relationship, and he thinks it's purely because the world is unfair and not even partially because he's clearly an awful guy to be around. >Also the way they interact with you also betrays their level of intelligence and honesty. >RF usually either makes some non sequitur argument, insults you,
lack of self awareness?
There's a difference between making a good argument and adding an insult to top it off, and making a bad argument (or no argument) and adding an insult to top it off.
Plus I'm not a guy trying to implicitly make the argument that I'm smart enough in my training/physique to justify selling books and programs.
I've always wondered why a guy who spends so much time spouting typical redpill talking points about SJWs and whatnot would try to pursue a living in what is probably the industry that epitomizes all of those things they hate so much.
I guess either RF used to be a wide eyed idealist with big dreams and LA broke him, or he was always like this and he was dumb enough to think that he would be let in the clubhouse while actively insulting people. The latter only works when you are really talented like Mike Judge or something.
When's the last time Natural Hypertrophy actually posted his physique? Quick browse brings this training log up from 4 months ago which I guess isn't that long ago.
I mean he looks like a dude that lifts for sure, but not anything crazy. It really doesn't seem like his physique has changed much in like the past half decade or some shit. I gotta agree with the people saying that after like 4 or 5 years or training you've probably essentially reached your end point and anything after that is barely noticeable. Might as well just maintain after that point and invest your time more wisely.
You cant base shit off videos except for raw measurements which he has done
He has 18” arms, which is objectively big at his height so not sure what you’re talking about
I think hes too autistic but hes clearly big
Why would anyone think there isn't a natty limit? There's technically a limit for enhanced bodies too, there's only so much literal mass you can have on your body. Or is this one of those terms nobody ever bothers defining? I thought this was common sense. No matter how hard you train, most of you are not going to be as good of a runner as Usain Bolt or whatever.
I do agree that talking about any supposed limit is just moronic circlejerking though. You'll never know what you're capable of unless you try, as cheesy as that sounds. But it's true. So many fricking idiots in the fitness space talking themselves out of ever trying, wtf do any of you even live for? If you genuinely have some multi-million dollar business or some shit you'd rather do than lifting then go do that, but stop engaging in topics you obviously don't care to put any effort into.
>kinda short(5'10)
The Internet and random prostitutes have really played a number on you lad. Absolutely achievable but you need to bulk and gain way more muscle than you expect.
Anon I am fricking Dutch, all my friends are fricking giants.
Anyway, I wasn't under the impression that it would be easy, just that I like how he looks and that it would suit my frame better,.
I mean, I'm in the gym 4x a week anyway, might as well have a goal body, eh?
>bro you cannot look big without roids bro everyone is doing them bro you gotta hop on a cycle bro ur gonna get mogged lmaooooo bro just do roids please bro just pin test and blast anabol bro cmon ur gonna look like a DYEL forever bro please just do roids bro just watch 100 hours of literal whos on youtube yapping at each other just roid out bro please
STOP POSTING THESE ANIMALS
A lot of these are used on ANIMALS that makes them natural are you afraid your mascot might use steroids? You must be severely mentally ill man.
Can we talk about how this guy calls quad-biased movements "knee flexions" even though that's the exact opposite of what they are? Does he even know what flexion is?
I expect him to know the difference between a flexion and extension, especially when he's the one introducing a new term meant to refer to exercises which target the knee extensors.
I used to think natty lifting was a joke until I pinned some test, that lifestyle is sad as frick, stabbing ur ass 2x a week isn't fun, not to mention test being a mild compound, I was blasting 500mg a week.
No, it isn't a magic pill, you will need to waste more money by buying 2x more food, if ur training sessions are bad and you eat junk food and don't recover u'll look like a natty.
That shit just isn't worth it, you'd need multiple yearly blasts and cruise cycles, unless you leave humanity behind and do tren/some other compounds but at that point you're just giving up on everything you have (potential hair loss, acne, blood pressure, heart and other organs issues). The roiders at my gym are bigger than me but their skin looks like dogshit, it's red, it has that old pasty texture to it, women don't find that attractive.
Also I'm 5'6 in a midget country so I can look pretty good without roids at this height.
NH still has a better physique than the vast majority of fit. He just has shit genetics/insertions. Even when lean his muscles are all flat for some reason and it's definitely not due to lack of size.
Never judge a person's physique by it's aesthetics, always do it by how much muscle they have.
Insertions and frames are a b***h, they can make you look 20 pounds heavier or lighter depending on how good they are
Yes, this guy has a good body, but this is PEAK natural bodybuilding. This is what you get when you count every calorie and every macro every single day for literal YEARS. When your training routine is dialed in. When you're giving maximum effort day in, day out in the gym for YEARS.
The reality is, most people here will not even put in half the work this guy did. The most you can hope for is a skinnyfat physique with a little more muscle. I mean just look at yourself right now. All those months of the gym and you still look like shit. The reality is that you either "have it" or you don't. Most of you still live with your parents because you're too stupid and lazy to move out and get a good job but you think you'll *magically* get the drive to buckle down on your diet and start lifting heavy? Some of you have been trying to do that for YEARS and just look at you hahahaha. It's actually pathetic.
Yeah you might not have been born to look like the next Ronnie Coleman but all this whining about how useless natty bodybuilding is and how no one can ever look good without blasting thousands of dollars of pharmaceuticals for months or years at a time is the gaygiest shit imaginable.
If people could build good-looking physiques before that shit even existed, you can do it too, even if you won't look like a literal movie star. Hell, I bet there are way more people out there with the potential to look like Reeves who simply never find out how far they can go because they never pick up lifting or bodybuilding in the first place. Who's to say you're not one of them?
It would be true that the vast majority of people can't look good without years of steroids if "looking good" meant what bodybuilders think it means. Luckily that's not the case.
It would be true that the vast majority of people can't look good without years of steroids if "looking good" meant what bodybuilders think it means. Luckily that's not the case.
I wonder what the endgame for these people is who complain that you should just stick the needle in or stop going to the gym? Yes, some people have shit genetics and will never achieve anything in the gym except maybe not getting fat, but what do juicers think they will achieve? I get it if you work in as a bodyguard, a career criminal, a bouncer, a soldier or so on, then you probably need to juice to be on the level. If you are just a (failed) normie then do people who juice as a hobby expect that then someone will love them or they will win the lottery next week or what?
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it just feels good to look lean and strong is all, I dont' achieve anything by eating tasty food instead of plain rice and chicken breast every day, sure, but it makes me happier to eat tasty food, I could also just always live in silence and never listen to music but that sounds boring as frick so I'll listen to musci from time to time, and on that same note, if I go to the gym multiple time sweekly and I'm out here counting my macros and still make no progress, that feels like shit, if I were to take TRT and suddenly start looking good whule avoiding the more egregious secondary effects then perfect, it makes my health and looks way better, speically if they are designer steroids but those cost the big bucks.
Ain't nobody ever gonna be a pornstart but if all men in the world were given the option to inject something every week that makes their erections stronger and wiener bigger I'd bet a sizeable amount of men would, even those who aren't getting laid at all.
The only problem is money, if money isn't an issue, why wouldn't you?
Im 5’9, 33 years old and weigh180 lbs. body fat says 21% on the scale. I’ve been lifting for only maybe a month and a week or two. I used to when I was younger but nothing crazy. I go 5x a week. Any tips how to cut without losing muscle mass or is it just impossible and I should slightly starve and cope with muscle loss? my tummy is pretty thicc still.
Look into fasting. YMMV but I've had surprising results with 16 hour fasts once or twice a month (including time spent sleeping).
As far as general calorie consumption goes, if you're largely sedentary outside of the gym, you'll need to make some changes to your daily activity in order to burn more than you take in. Something like standing instead of sitting all day or walking around for a couple minutes every hour can shift those numbers enough to make a difference over time.
The fitness community is huffing a ton of copium as far as genetics is concerned. There's a ton of people who train for years and years consistently and still look like DYELs. Yeah some of them train like shit but there's people who train properly and still look like shit. There's an inherent survivorship bias in the bigger fitness youtubers- even if you buy that they're natural, the only reason you hear about them is because they have impressive physiques.
How many DYEL-looking guys actually have successful channels? The only one I can think of that might qualify is Hybrid Calisthenics, and I don't think that guy ever posts body. He's also not targeting the typical gym-going audience.
ello uchoob
today we're going to talk about
Miyamoto Musashi and the way of the warrior
His work has changed my life and will change yours. Why? Because
I have never fully watched a single one of his videos because of the accent, not to mention the hour long ones. No matter how interesting the title or description might sound.
French accents are incredibly annoying, I don't get why women enjoy them so much
>I have never fully watched a single one of his videos
I was into NH a few years ago since hid vids made for good background noise but the more I listened , the more I also realized how long-winded and pointless most of his arguments are. He's got a stick up his own ass and people specifically listen to him because of the accent, not in spite of it.
He's fat and doesn't train delts.
The reason you think this is because to look like you lift without a shirt on…
1) You have to be fairly lean to look like you lift as a natural shirtless, like legit 10% or less bodyfat because natural muscle mass potential is so small that you need a lot of the fat stripped off your frame for your muscle mass to show and give defined definition and separation
2) Steroids allow you to build so much muscle that you can be 15-20% bodyfat and still have muscle definition and separation
The issue for natties is that if you’re like 15-20% bodyfat (where most will be) you won’t have any muscle definition because fat will be covering the muscle
So if you plan on being natural and staying natural, you should focus on getting to 10% bodyfat and staying there and trying to make lean gains there. Or you will be forced to do bulking and cutting, but expect to never look like you lift (naked) when bulking
Looking good while bulked up is literally only possible for roiding levels of muscle mass on your frame.
The good thing is natties can get pretty fricking shredded and diced, and actually look leaner than a roider, roiding causes water retention which is why elite natural bodybuilders can look way leaner than elite roiding bodybuilders
where the frick do you guys get these fantasies from
getting muscle without gaining fat doesn't exist unless you are on lots of gear, the body without exception stores fat on a caloric surplus no matter what, getting to low BF natty is fukcing hell, "natural" bodybuilders look less lean than openweight olympias and they also look so tiny they borderline look like endurance athletes, where in the everloving frick do you get the idea from that steroid users look less lean than people who don't roid? your imagination?
>getting to low BF natty is fukcing hell
just stop eating moron
I think he means competition-tier bf%, which looks ugly as shit even on roiders, imagine how MASSIVE a pro bodybuilder would be if he was allowed to be at 12% bf, more people would get into it tbf
It's like this but completely opposite.
15-20% for looking yoked, being strong and feeling healthy while having fun because lifs actually progress
Sub 10% for social media mental illness posting
In either case, OP is brown and doesn't lift
Yeah I'm not too sure about that RE natties having to be like 10%. I did one of those body scans just last week and it stated I'm 19.4% but I think I still look like I lift despite having a clearly natty level of muscle mass. Plus, by being 19% I can make progress without getting fatter than this because recomping is possible at this bodyfat range.
I look way fatter and am 17% according to dexa, weird.
body scans are bullshit bro
>but I think I still look like I lift
lol
lmao even
not that you look terrible but this is a good example of natty lifting results
nice bait
This has been my experience.
It’s funny you’re the only person who agrees with me.
All these other morons think because they look “big” in clothes at 15-20% bodyfat that it means you can be that BF as a natty
I’m talking about being shirtless, naturals need to be 10% bodyfat or less to have definition and separation, all of that goes away at 15-20%
Only steroid users maintain that definition at separation at 15-20% because they have so much muscle that it overwhelms the fat. You can’t “overwhelm” bodyfat as a natural by gaining muscle, a natural needs to cut away all the fat to actually have good definition and muscle separation due to how smaller natural muscles are
Its not real muscle, its sugar inflating the muscle with water. Enjoy the ACK though, atleast you showed the world anon.
you're actually saying that steriods dont build muscle tissue and its all only glycogen and water?
I dont know, maybe.
it is real muscle, cope harder
steroid users are dozens of pounds heavier in lean mass than naturals and look leaner even at a higher bf%
wrong guy, I'm not shitalian-arab
>you're out of your mind
look at the 2016 video, then look at his 2021 fatloss transformation video at the exact same bodyweight, tell me where the progress is
sure he got a bit stronger with neurological adaptations on some exercises but in terms of actual muscle it's impossible to tell if he gained a single pound of muscle in the last 8 years of training.
>he is bigger than that and leaner at the same time
pic related
maybe it's his running background, maybe it's his genetics, possibly a combination of both
regardless his muscle insertions, ability to recover from resistance training and ability to grow and muscle insertions are elite tier he looks better than competitive bodybuilders
I don't even know why people are arguing with you man, shit's getting moronic.
Your hot takes so far
>natties need lower bodyfat to show separations
I guess it depends on genetics and the muscle we're talking about but this is true. As an example my quads have that teardrop thing even when I'm around 20%bf but that's one part of a muscle and I naturally have massive legs
>there is a natty limit
>steroids build real muscle
No shit lmao
>pic
alright, you have more of a point than I thought. 2016-21 is definitely a discussion. I don't see much of a difference. 21-23 I think his forearms, biceps and delts got bigger but even there, I have to admit the difference is subtle.
I'm also interested in the discussion about GVS. he always downplays his genetics as average and I thought I was the only one who thinks he is gifted. I do firmly believe he's natty but I don't believe just anyone can achieve (some of) his measurements, especially given how long his limbs are. his arms are truly inspiring, especially for me because my arms are long.
I'm not exactly saying alex made 0 gains, it's just very hard to tell
my point is only that he already look good with little training time and close to his genetic limit, and I think this happens to pretty much everyone else unless their training or diet are terrible
if I'm not mistaken he switched to a plant based diet right around 2017-2018 and has been following one ever since, possible that the lack of progress might have something to do with it but I don't know, I honestly think he simply got to 90% of his genetic potential with 2 years of training and no matter how he trains or eats he will never make noticeable progress on anything from that point on unless he started taking gear
180lbs lean at 5'5 is insane
> he always downplays his genetics as average
ofc he does, all these noble natty dudes that happen to have a great physique do this
in reality he looks better than bodybuilders that compete
above average lifters and genetic phenoms larping as mid gymcels reminds me of models talking trash about lookism lol
GVS is gifted, I remember him saying his waist was around 29 in. and this was when he was bulking. It helps that the only people around him are Chinese tbf, we haven't seen him in person with someone that even gets close
Every image has a different lighting tho it's mostly light from above tho.
this has been my experience too - my mom said i looked “bigger” despite cutting for 4 weeks
Is 13% okay?
t. Former fatty
You aren't 10% bodyfat. And nobody is "staying and making lean gains at 10% bf, least of all you you fricking DYEL.
God you are so fricking moronic. There's plenty of dudes with the "bouncer" physique that look muscular but don't defined abs.
Its literally the EXACT opposite way that you are describing. How are you fricking moronic incels on IST able to not just be wrong, but be literally the exact opposite of the truth wrong.
Bouncers roid, moron
You don't lift at all so who cares
how did he let a pic like that get away in the wild
Blaha level self awareness
only if you're a genetic dead end
aka 99.9% of men and no you're not the 0.1%, dipshit
wrong
>t.
Indians and asians do not make up 99% of the male population. Yet.
i wasn't talking about either but good to know you're insecure of thirdies
>t. jeet
East Asians mog nighers and beaners
east asians are the ugliest humans on the planet. At least say SE asians lol.
>roid troony thread #72343
Go look in a mirror, sodomite.
Why is his OHP so shit?
Because he is a heightfraud and is actually around 5'8". You can scale up/down your arm size to match your fraud height but you can't scale up weights.
He lifts to look a certain way, not to be strong in every way
Funny that he's becoming relevant here now when he already peaked after his lifting x berserk shtick peaked almost a year and a half ago.
His content is already firmly in dogshit territory now.
I enjoy his non-lifting related rants
Uh fellow nattycopers?
He's SEETHING.
More like he is very defensive.
But yeah the noble natties are cult.
good, noble natties should be exclusive
He's coming apart AT THE SEEMS. He's SPIRALING.
>noble natties
roidtroons making names for normal human beings who like to exercise.
Is he copying Andrew Tate's inflection?
RF is a good heel, I haven't watched this yet but it will be kino I'm sure
his theme song btw
lel
It was a good video btw, looking forward to the spergouts that will follow
that like:dislike ratio LMAO
revival shitness on the ropes
idk his drama but he's 100% right, these guys will still be arguing about incline curls in 10years and rehashing the same videos
the last third of the video is actually pretty decent tbf
Like pic related?
rehashing the same stuff since 2014?
all of them, at least old destiny had some lolcow moments
>passive agressively likes my comment
the guy clearly has a chip on his shoulder, tries a bit too much tbh
this guy is insanely ugly
He is just Italian-american
He's clearly some sort of mongol rapebaby from Baghdad.
that's what he said, italian
He looks turkish
Look bro I'm 100% Italian American and yes RF has an Italian surname but his features are just weird, there's something else there. Like this random guy from Jersey Shore looks fully Italian (like most Italian-Americans), RF not so much, maybe he just has unfortunate lips genetics I don't know.
Brazilian. He's Brazilian. Do I know for a fact? No, but he is.
Theres a lot of full blooded italians in brazil tho.
I'm going to say he is one of these Brazilians who are Italian by their grandparents, which is every single one of them.
he looks chichese
Thought he was an arab till i heard his last name
Italians don't look that way. He's mulatto. Not to be cliche but the sopranos is what Italian Americans look like. Rf looks like the hodge twins twink cousin.
yeah, opened and closed the vid instantly, not gonna spend my time looking at some indian disgusting looking mutt. I have zero respect to that kind of shade people
>basing a man's whole worth on his beauty
modern man is so buck broken and cucked he even thinks like a roastie. No doubt you're a western european or american, most female brained men presently
>the low IQ internet meatheads are fighting again
Revival is so dumb he's actually hard to listen to and NH isn't smart enough to be as arrogant as he is. GVS is leagues better than either because his ego and advice match his intelligence.
RF can bring the heat, that's all that counts
GVS isn't as intelligent as he lets on. Two years ago he claimed to have cut 7 kgs in 2 months. That's a deficit of around 850-900 Cal per day for 2 months straight. He was either an idiot BSing his stats or is a roider (or both).
>Two years ago he claimed to have cut 7 kgs in 2 months. That's a deficit of around 850-900 Cal per day for 2 months straight.
This is achievable for everyone but it comes at a cost in strength and some lean muscle mass.
tbh I cut with that big of a deficit sometimes and I don't really think it's as bad as people say. That aside, 7 kg in 2 months really isn't that much unless he's claiming it's all from fat. Like I've legit lost like 6 or 7 lbs very quickly within a week just from water weight and whatnot, doubling that really doesn't sound too implausible within 2 months.
He just recommends aggressively cutting because long cuts suck and any muscle loss that might occur is probably less than you might think and muscle memory kicks in quickly when you bulk again.
He's ugly so I didn't watch. Simple as.
look at this dood
this homie be balding
he looks like an electrocuted baby with a beard
can't shake the feeling he has beard implants
The Noble Natties definitely exhibit dumb cultish behavior but RF really has no space to be insulting anyone. This is the guy who concluded all of humanity are lying scumbags because he couldn't hack it as an actor in LA or whatever and seems to have learned nothing from the experience. Yeah dude, it turns out when you're an insufferable homosexual you don't make a lot of friends and you mostly attract trashy women. Who knew.
>dont do steroids
>im now in a cult
HUUURRR DDUUURRRR
Nice strawman bro. Didn't say anything bad about staying natty by itself.
bitchman
strawman
>I repeatedly made videos indirectly insulting a bunch of guys
>Haha they responded look at how triggered they are
Revival Fitness must have spent his college days posting on IST way too much if he acts like this without anonymity too. It really puts into perspective his general life situation, where he's someone who left LA almost certainly after washing out of show business and spends a lot of his time bitterly talking about how much he hates LA, college, and trashy women. You'd think at some point he'd realize what the common denominator in all this is.
2 minutes in he still hasn't said what he is talking about
Every single freak like this is a complete waste of space and should never be listened to. He could just say what the deal is and move on, instead it's
>ok so these guys are like so like dumb and bad
>and umm this one guy has a cartoon avatar
>and guys like seriously I am spitting truth and those other people are bad
If you have a point to make then make it instead of having to cope and frame the entire thing and slander the opposition of what you're about to say before you've even said it. Over 2 minutes in the video and there isn't a clue there for what he is talking about, not in the title of the video, not in the thumbnail, not in what he says. All I know so far is that ''those guys'' are really bad and they reply to him and they aren't calm and collected like this ugly dude.
Squat everyday bros?
LMAOOOOOO the axis is coming up nicely, we just need Coach Blaha (#teamblaha client btw) to chip in
more neutral sideline people joining in would be more entertaining honestly
>I really don't care about this shit guys
>This is why I made a 15 minute response video, edited it (complete with a cut in from a totally different recording session) and posted it online with a customized thumbnail that required me to obsessively hatewatch my opposition for unflattering screenshots
I have to imagine anybody who takes RF seriously has to be really young. Like at least the other guys don't make "I'm so above it all" their online persona.
congratulations you just discovered how social media works
He should have called NH a paedophile for good measure
yeah people who get coddled like children so they dont go down the path of drugs or get 'blackpilled' are all mature adult men
He openly admits he's only doing this because drama generates clicks. He's not genuine about anything he says.
>how dare someone want engagement on youtube
Didn't he initially get a huge boom in his channel because he shat his diapers for like 2 hours straight over how Greg Doucette was constantly spouting nonsense between his inane drama videos?
So now he's just doing the same thing, except he skipped the part where he actually got an impressive physique first? Doucette's an idiot but he actually is jacked at least.
It’s true.
I’ve been natty lifting for over a year now and I’m still dyel.
It'll take you at least 5 years of seriously lifting to get anywhere as a natty.
bullshit, most people start looking decent after a year of being serious with routine/diet. Rich piana wannabees are mentally ill
this
some here are so delusional about how things work
if you don't have an impressive physique after 3 years of training you will never have an impressive physique naturally
the human body isn't just a machine that grows bigger and bigger muscles the longer it's used lol, you have your genes, diet gives you the building blocks and regulates your gene expression, training further regulates your gene expression
that's it
there's nothing magical about training that you accumulate year in year out, it's just your genetic bodyplan being being drawn
after 3 years of serious training no matter how you train you will at least have 90% of your possible gains
every single person who looks impressive looked impressive in their first 3 years of serious training
how come he doesn't progress at all if his training is so good? how come he's weaker and smaller than he was several years ago?
maybe because it doesn't matter what he does and it's all genetics, oh wait that can't be true he just isn't following the perfect split with the right amount of tonnage lol that must be it it just does... because he says so
he is right but he is terrible at getting an actual message across
his message is that the noble natty crowd is a circlejerk which it is
intelligence==wisdom
losing 7kg of bodyweight in 2 months is nothing
not all bodyweight lost in a cut is fat
850-900 caloric deficits for 2 months isn't that extreme unless you're ripped
out of all things these people say is the one you pick for criticism? jfl
>how come he doesn't progress at all if his training is so good? how come he's weaker and smaller than he was several years ago?
maybe because it doesn't matter what he does and it's all genetics, oh wait that can't be true he just isn't following the perfect split with the right amount of tonnage lol that must be it it just does... because he says so
Nah you're definitely right about his method not is methodology made me stall hard after two years. Funny you post a picture of Mike Mentzer because after one year of no progress I started using HIT and in the past six months I've seen pretty decent progress in certain lifts (the ones put first in the program mainly).
I do think there's a "natural limit," but I think you approach asymptotically. In other words, you will never reach your Natty limit, not because it's so high or not there, but because it's nearly impossible to maintain that perfect diet, routine and lifestyle. Natural Hypertrophy looks worse (to you, I think he looks best in his outdoor calisthenics video that he shot in France in the summer) for a few different reasons, the main one I think is just that it's difficult to make progress when you're that lean, and he fell off.
Also, Checked.
What does your physique look like after 3 years? If you don't look impressive after 3 years you will NEVER look good.
Technically I've been training since I was a teen but I've only made appreciable progress in the last 3.5 years because I didn't understand intensity back then. I stalled on my third year of intense training because I didn't understand recovery.
Yeah you look like shit dude. If this is all you could muster after years of lifting you should just give up. Even a bad routine and bad diet will make someone with potential look decent after a few years, but you? You'll never look good, you'll never look aesthetic, you'll never look impressive, you'll never look like you lift... Unless you roid like a normal person.
I'm gonna be honest if I was lifting since my teens and looked like this I would kill myself. You should have a nice day today.
Rude
give the picture back Jamal
Looks better than I do after 3 years
He looks good for someone who doesn't eat beef and dairy products.
literally got smaller and has made 0 strength gains during all that time
he's probably weaker even, notice he used to pos deadlift and ohp PR videos, now all he's posting are modified isolations nobody cares about
at this level just maintaining is success, if you're natty. If anything he should focus more on his weakpoints and less on overall size.
I this homosexual vegetarian? Wouldn't be surprised.
Not vegetarian. He has several male relatives (including his father I think) that died young to heart disease, and it turns out they have a hereditary problem with red meat or something like that. He eats eggs, fish, and chicken.
lol how did every single part of his body get smaller (I know he's leaner but still)
he zoomed out that's how perspective works
>someone who doesn't eat beef and dairy products.
this is what I don't get. How the frick can you be proud of being a frenchman if you can't eat cow products like beef and cheese, then go on and talk about "genetics" like he cracked the code to natural bodybuilding.
Damn this drama feels like 2013 fitness youtube again.
Love it!
being natty is da best thing i did in lifting
natty 4 ever
Nice arms. Routine? My arms are lagging like a mf
any routine works for me, i just go to failure each set and do a ton of reps
100% on natural deca
hes natty, you're just tiny
weight? if below 200 you're too small
pump looking good
>those traps
>3d delts
do they disappear when the pump is gone? because no way they look like that all the time
its literally flex and pump
NH is now merely a "content creator", he's washed
GVS still has something to say
Basement Bodybuilding is the most boring man alive
Alan Thrall is good but basically irrelevant
Enkiri is too nice to get into the dirt
I think RF can win this one
I forgot Bald Omni Man, maybe he can give us some kino but he has his cool detached persona so I don't think he will.
If you ask me I think BASED BLAHA will BLAST these BUFFOONS
I'm looking forward to his johnny bodybuilding programme.
He kind of reminds me of Jaxblade but more engaging with what matters.
Yeah I like him, he comes off as a bit of a tryhard imo but hey it's his thing and his advice is generally good and also very unusual for what I normally do
So far I've seen a benefit with implementing some of his advice (for example, actually tracking what I eat and how I cook). One thing that slightly bothers me is the charts and such, I'm too much of a moron to follow.
>tattoos
trash
it's hilariously ironic how the only one of the "noble natties" worth listening just so happens to be the one with the greatest genetics yet they all deny the importance of genetics for bodybuilding
GVS has 10-20kg of actual muscle tissue on all of them and trains like a total bro
Bros do fluff and pump work. GVS does what the HIT crew preaches for one set and goes ahead and adds 5 more.
"fluff and pump" means nothing, training to failure will give you a bigger pump than not training to failure, which is what GVS does and what most bros do, training to failure on almost every set even using partial reps on some of them which is considered to be dumb and "suboptimal"
here comes the cope
the dude is natty, he is simply genetically gifted for bodybuilding unlike the vast majority of the people that lift weights, he already looked like a hyper responder in his first year of training and his muscle insertions and recovery capacity are elite tier, he made little progress over the years, he was already jacked as hell before 2019 check his earliest photos and videos the dude is a phenom
>Literally none of those listed do this
literally all of them did actually, you're 100% wrong and mad af for insulting your little e-idols and it's so obvious that it's laughable
they constantly try to deny the "natty limit" exists (aka genetic limit) and lie to themselves or their brainlet fans that there is no such thing and that they only have to find the magic special super secret and esoteric training program for them to finally look like gods
yeah that's what's so incredible about this whole thing, there are several videos of guys like him saying stupid shit like there's no "natty limit" or that genetics don't matter and only blackpilled dyels believe so, yet they all stagnate and even regress following their own advice LMAO
I guess their 95IQ fanbase needs their gay cope to keep going so they don't even try to question these people
the only one in this "noble natty" circle that has made any visible progress in the last 4 years is GVS and he's stalling hard now despite being a genetic phenom, alex leonidas looks nearly the exact same now as he did when he was mainly doing calisthenics in 2016, if you don't believe me go look for his older videos, he made 0 visible progress
>tldr
Matthew, get off the internet for the day dude.
you're out of your mind. manletdestiny made very obvious gains since then. he is bigger than that and leaner at the same time.
>recovery capacity are elite tier
isnt this because he was a runner and already an athlete to begin with
Yeah that’s what he claims. The reality is that any special sauce he got from running probably isn’t benefiting him currently unless he’s still hitting cardio hard. It’s not like his elite vascularity or whatever the frick he claims magically extended itself into 50lbs of newly grown muscle that was never subjected to that cardio stress. It’s literally just some bullshit he made up to justify what’s going on.
I find it interesting with GVS that he is known for being able to actually lift considerable less weight than what you would expect from his muscular condition, or maybe that has changed don't know. He said his bench press max is/was something like 1x115kg which isn't the worst thing ever but it's pretty much a bare minimum if weights are not only your hobby but a profession. But if he's a bodybuilder then the kg or lbs he lifts doesn't technically matter.
GVS's top bench etc. is a meme that people spread around. It's a relatively low bench for his size because he was talking about the context of the last time he did a one rep max, which was like 3 or 4 years ago. His point was more that testing one rep maxes is dumb.
His "true" max bench is probably way higher, even without any prep for a one rep max. People are just dumb and do not listen to what was actually said.
Okay I didn't know if it was a meme or a rep but GVS and Alan Thrall seem like they don't really feel like doing bench press for the sake of bench press, Thrall made a video about it not a long ago I think.
Anyway, I don't think the "real" 1RM max matter because it varies from day to day, something like 90-95% of 1RM is a better measurement in a way because that would the be weight you know you can push for 1 rep unless you are feeling really weak that day but not for 2 reps. And that would be used to calculate the % programs too, the "real" 1RM is a theoretical one.
Like if someone can do 1x115kg in bench any on basically any day of the week then their theoretical max might be 117.5-125kg but it doesn't matter.
Funny for Thrall of all people to be against it given that he was pretty much one of the OG SS guys. Literally trained under Rippetoe if I remember right.
I get where the Noble Natties are coming from when they crap on the big three and the culture surrounding it (leads to muscular weaknesses, chasing strength too much etc), but sometimes I get the impression that newbie lifters might listen to them and think "oh okay, I could just skip the barbell and do nothing but machines and get big", which is technically true but they never learned the necessity of pushing themselves the way free weights teach you to. Like I'm pretty sure every single one of these guys got their start doing an SS program or something similar, so this whole "If I had trained this other way from Day 1 I would've saved so much time" is purely theoretical based off their better intermediate/advanced progress.
Maybe SS worker for Thrall to some extent because he is pretty bottom heavy, not deformed but his strength is obviously around his hip area. Some people are born like that and other people are reversed, they might bench a lot because they are gifted but they struggle to squat or deadlift for shit. But Thrall has since left behind SS and powerlifting and that's cool because people tend to have phases and the same lifts might not work or be interesting for 20 years.
Reminder the manlet is not natty.
He changed his epic genetics with minoxidl
>they all deny the importance of genetics for bodybuilding
Literally none of those listed do this. You're moronic or seriously acting in bad faith like some sort of hysterical woman.
>Enkiri is too nice to get into the dirt
Enkiri tears people apart when they try to step in his lane.
That's because GVS is "natty." His genetics are good, but his rate of progress is unbelievable.
>Basement Bodybuilding is the most boring man alive
Are you watching those guys for entertainment or to educate yourself? If you really are a brain rotten zoomer, go watch roidtrannies asking milfs of the streat what they think of their abs, serious channels are not for you.
He has interesting stuff to say but his presentation skills are low (new channel blah blah) and he can't bring the fire when it comes to drama, if I want a shitshow I'm not watching him. He's ok but if I had to say which noble natty I can live without he's out, simple as.
There's no good reason to watch literally any fitness youtuber unless you're a beginner. Lifting is not that complicated that it justifies hundreds of hours worth of youtube videos. Just lift
this, but natural hypertrophy has good non-lifting content
They're interesting but you'd be better of just reading philosophy or something
>good non-lifting content
all verbatim threads from IST, he's incapable of original thought
Even if you can get past the accent which can make him difficult to understand at times, Natural Hypertrophy drones on for ages about something in a very unengaging way. If he was a schoolteacher he'd be the one you'd complain about being boring as frick even if the subject matter was technically really interesting. If you're too much of an ADHD mongloid to sit down and read, you'd be better off listening to actual philosophy lectures. There's plenty out there.
His philosophy is so shit honestly. He says there is no truth and that alone renders his philosophy mere sophistry. Stoicism is okay especially when interpreted through a Christian lense (he doesn't) but when he gets into Nietzsche and masculinity it's just a "cool" or motivational narrative, it's not a viable philosophical system.
He feels like his iq is legitimately between 80 or 90, his demeanor is just mostly puerile.
True but it's entirely justified if there's drama because IST drama is by and large the funniest
This. Watching grown buff men arguing about middle school tier gossip is endlessly funny.
Nah its good to watch for drama
Im paying attention to natural hypertrophy beef with revival fitness
People calling out fouad for pimping out sam sulek
it's entertainment moron
thinking of watching vanderpump rules at this point. less drama.
Not true. I was a beginner for years because I didn't understand relevant rep ranges. I found out from a natural hypertrophy video that just blasting out sets of 40 faster and faster would have extremely poor diminishing returns and that working in the 3-10 or even 10-20 range and ADDING WEIGHT is what's most effective.
He needs to beef with alphadestiny or the golden one
He used to look so much better. I guess good for him if he is content with his life now but it always sucks to see people devolve (in my eyes at least).
i think its because all his older vids he had a pump and better lighting, also doesnt have the stress from a job and a family
like when he was doing that clapping shit to turn the light back on, it was directly above him
For sure but I just feel like he has let himself go, not the body I agree that he most likely just put more effort to how he looked before. His stats are probably better now but his hair and the beard, he just looks so much worse. But right, he has a family now, not like he is trying to attract any new females so I get it.
But to look like this is....its just a shame. Used to have such a nice clean cut look.
>arab
he was doomed from the start
Is he a nafri?
no its not learn to lift homosexual
>gets on roids
>responds horribly to drugs
>declares himself as natty
noone muscular in this world is natural
true
Natty lifting is great. Been at it 5 months, and approaching 2/3/4/5. Not sure what's going wrong for failed lifters
Fat fricks don't count
Especially calories.
Wrong again. I don't need your gear and I never will
Steroids is for sodomites, thats all NH had to say. As for blackpilled fitness dude, may you have your reward.
Everybody who is somebody in this fitness sphere is on steroids, it's very easy to condemn them all as gay in a sour grapes attempt to gaslight yourself but that's a cope. The truth is steroids are a miracle drug, you'd be considered a demigod in ancient Greece if you had a roider physique, but it takes balls to hop on steroids, cowards like you can only seethe
Matthew, get a grip.
Keep screaming cope and seethe.
May you have your reward.
have a nice day OP, not in minecraft, in real life
Could I fix this natty?
No I won’t take trt
181cm
dude even your pubes have abs...cause we need to see that shit...
Stop posting and start lifting homosexual.
Natty lifting makes me feel great and you literally cannot stop me
It's not but making up some ubermensh fantasy larp about yourself is ubercringe. Even lying basic shit like "I never drank coffee" when he has a moka pot right on the stove in his cooking vid.
Is he a nafri?
NH looks like absolute shit these days. He's getting fat, his long greasy hair makes him look like a hobo, and he never shows his physique in his videos anymore. He hasn't even taken his shirt off in a video for months, when he used to post training videos and show off his physique constantly.
I used to love his channel, but now it feels like he's run out of stuff to say and doesn't even care that much about training anymore. I know he had a baby recently, but still. He has a new home gym but he doesn't even record in there, he showed the setup at the end of a video ages ago but that was it.
His training consists mostly of meme exercises, at least he's somewhat objective in his tier lists and doesn't let his own biases influence him too much. They're the last good videos he made btw, I miss old NH and his program reviews, his anime AMVs were also kino.
That’s the problem with fitness YouTubers. There really is only so much to say. Eventually they run out of ways to repeat themselves even and then just start accusing each other of steroids. The truth is they all are.
145x3 OHP
Nevar forget
whoopsies wrong video
actually incredible
0 reps
I've seen Blaha do this too. OHP without locking out... why? That's the best part.
>L-L-Locking out is not necessary for the lift
Well I mean you see his triceps don't even have it in them to actually extend the elbows to do the last 1/3 of the rep. You have pretty much trained your shoulders already in the bottom 2/3 and that last 1/3 is just triceps and some upper back stabilizers but c'mon..
Deleting might just cause people to reupload it and laugh more.
>65 kg on the bar (144 lbs)
>calls it 155
>doesn't even do full ROM, stopping at 2/3rds of a rep
That's not even the worst part, he has elbow sleeves on which add at least 10 kg.
He couldn't do 1 rep 1 plate OHP without any equipment fully locked after 10 years training.
Natty has nothing to do with it, he is just bad at lifting. Why people would follow his advice boggles my mind.
Post body
Coming in to defend his internet big brother kek
i still have no idea why he hasnt deleted this embarrassment of a video
maybe because negativity from it is actually Nietzschean or some bullshit
literally me when i take a shit after eating thai food
are there any channels that make vids that sum up all this youtube-fitness drama
can't be bothered to watch 30 mins rants
Natties are pathetic
That's moronic. Heavy compounds like twice a week can turn any man under 40 into a mountain. You might be XXY.
Yes and those are bad, weak, small shoulders. What is your point?
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They look alright to me.
Because that picture is zoomed the frick in and cropped to appear "impressive". Same way instagram thots trick you.
Put him next to a normal guy that doesn't lift and he won't look impressive at all.
He's 220.
Really? He looks 170 at best
True. Graduate to nutty lifting.
>Yet his shoulders look like this
gonna give a you a proper response with no irony or shit talking
his shoulders are the same size as those of people that completely avoid training shoulders and just train arms and pecs
>Ultimate proof that strength is a complete meme. It truly does not matter.
how can you believe this
muscle is muscle, you can't lift weights without the contractile tissue and in the case of the overhead press the limiting muscle is always the shoulder complex since your triceps are strong enough to extend the elbow with much heavier weight on something like a bench press
knowing this, which muscles do you think are doing the bulk of the work in a overhead press if not the shoulders? and if shoulders are doing the work then how are you gonna overhead press heavy without developed shoulders? how are developed shoulders gonna lift average or below average weights?
it's no wonder his weakest bodypart is his most lagging muscle NH even admits it
>how can you believe this
I was shitposting. gays here like to bring NH's ohp up as some type of own but why should he care when his explicitly stated goal is only to grow in size? That said there is some truth to it. I think you're right that, generally, a weak lift corresponds to a lagging muscle (also true for GVS and his bench/pecs), but you're way exaggerating by saying they look like he doesn't even train them. They're not outstanding, but they're not disproportionally small either, especially as he's begun training them more seriously (see
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Size is strength but strength isn't always size. Sometimes, people can just be bad at a lift, but it can still stimulate growth.
>gays here like to bring NH's ohp up as some type of own but why should he care when his explicitly stated goal is only to grow in size?
he openly stated in the past that he wanted the smaller shoulders and big arms look didn't he?
I find it hard to believe he isn't any stronger on overhead pressing now that he has been putting effort into training shoulders
And when I talk about people being gifted or not gifted in certain lifts, I talk about how every single hobby or professional lifter lifted their first 1-2 years without any sort of a program while they eat like shit and some of them also slept like shit and/or hit the bottle. So that's where the genetics come to play, you will both start and end with different numbers lifted during those first 1-2 years while doing what you feel like.
>GVS
obviously fake natty
>NH
manlet, autist, probably pins and justifies it in one way or another
>RF
is absolutely right about YT fitness circlejerks, natty or not
>Alex
turbo manlet, prolly roids, but otherwise alright in a highly specific and cuddly way
the biggest morons however are people who watch them regularly and become emotionally invested in their dramas
the whole industry is just one big scam btw, this is why people like Mentzer are worth listening to -- primarily because he's dead and following his advice won't cost you time and resources, on the contrary even
>mentzer schizo has entered the chat
RF is pretty much right in most of what he says, but it's also really funny to look at his history of videos and figure out the kind of guy he is.
>bitched about how useless college degrees are
>went to LA after college
>left LA because he couldn't build a career there
>placed last place in a bodybuilding show despite it being the one thing he shows a small bit of promise in
>now posts redpill shit all the time and gets into stupid internet drama with other internet lifters
So this is a guy who got a degree in a useless major, went to LA hoping to hit it big, realized his douchebag persona isn't going to get him ahead in such a superficial industry unless you actually have some talent, and leaves LA angry and bitter at life and now spends his days ranting to children on the internet about how he's seen it all. He's in his late 20s and he's already acting like a guy in his middle age who had his whole life come crashing down.
That's some lore there. I stopped watching him while he was still in LA.
Also at which point RF and GVS started hating each other? Did they have any public interactions?
The whole "beef" is dumb because they technically agree on like 90% of the actual points (basically "fake natties are everywhere and the fitness industry is wall to wall lies"), the main difference is just one of attitude. Simply put, GVS and other noble natties sell hopium and RF just sells b***hing about life. RF thinks this is hypocritical and the noble natties think that being a blackpilled moron is self-defeating. Also RF basically accused GVS of being a fake natty so there's a personal insult element.
You can make the argument both are technically right, but the obvious thing to point out is if RF's stance is inherently contradictory. A blackpilled guy making videos about how hopeless shit is isn't doing anything but looking for people to join him in his misery. Like why are you making videos at all if you think everyone, including yourself, is a liar?
Which really puts into perspective what people know about RF's personal life. Say what you will about GVS being a geomaxxer or Basement Bodybuilding being a boring frick, but it seems like they're pretty content with their lives whereas RF is just clearly seething that he failed at getting a career or decent relationship, and he thinks it's purely because the world is unfair and not even partially because he's clearly an awful guy to be around.
Also the way they interact with you also betrays their level of intelligence and honesty. If you challenge GVS in his comment section with a decent argument, he usually writes pretty in-detail rebuttals to you. RF usually either makes some non sequitur argument, insults you, or just deletes your comment.
>RF is just clearly seething that he failed at getting a career or decent relationship, and he thinks it's purely because the world is unfair and not even partially because he's clearly an awful guy to be around.
>Also the way they interact with you also betrays their level of intelligence and honesty.
>RF usually either makes some non sequitur argument, insults you,
lack of self awareness?
There's a difference between making a good argument and adding an insult to top it off, and making a bad argument (or no argument) and adding an insult to top it off.
Plus I'm not a guy trying to implicitly make the argument that I'm smart enough in my training/physique to justify selling books and programs.
>it's fine when I do it
lmao he left LA? Good for him but kind of idiotic for even trying it
I've always wondered why a guy who spends so much time spouting typical redpill talking points about SJWs and whatnot would try to pursue a living in what is probably the industry that epitomizes all of those things they hate so much.
I guess either RF used to be a wide eyed idealist with big dreams and LA broke him, or he was always like this and he was dumb enough to think that he would be let in the clubhouse while actively insulting people. The latter only works when you are really talented like Mike Judge or something.
Natty lifting may be a joke, but so is dying in your 30’s because of high blood pressure and organ failure from roids.
Hating as a market = GREAT
Hating has to be FUN, you cannot just seethe. You need CHARISMA for HATE.
Hating is a skill
When's the last time Natural Hypertrophy actually posted his physique? Quick browse brings this training log up from 4 months ago which I guess isn't that long ago.
I mean he looks like a dude that lifts for sure, but not anything crazy. It really doesn't seem like his physique has changed much in like the past half decade or some shit. I gotta agree with the people saying that after like 4 or 5 years or training you've probably essentially reached your end point and anything after that is barely noticeable. Might as well just maintain after that point and invest your time more wisely.
You cant base shit off videos except for raw measurements which he has done
He has 18” arms, which is objectively big at his height so not sure what you’re talking about
I think hes too autistic but hes clearly big
Is literally everybody roiding?
everyone bigger than me is roiding
everyone smaller than me is also roiding but i just train smarter than them
No. Stop falling for psyops
Why would anyone think there isn't a natty limit? There's technically a limit for enhanced bodies too, there's only so much literal mass you can have on your body. Or is this one of those terms nobody ever bothers defining? I thought this was common sense. No matter how hard you train, most of you are not going to be as good of a runner as Usain Bolt or whatever.
I do agree that talking about any supposed limit is just moronic circlejerking though. You'll never know what you're capable of unless you try, as cheesy as that sounds. But it's true. So many fricking idiots in the fitness space talking themselves out of ever trying, wtf do any of you even live for? If you genuinely have some multi-million dollar business or some shit you'd rather do than lifting then go do that, but stop engaging in topics you obviously don't care to put any effort into.
Is Bruce Lee mode achievable natty? I'm kinda short(5'10) so I think that will look better on me than ultra muscular. Hell, was Bruce even natty?
>kinda short(5'10)
The Internet and random prostitutes have really played a number on you lad. Absolutely achievable but you need to bulk and gain way more muscle than you expect.
Anon I am fricking Dutch, all my friends are fricking giants.
Anyway, I wasn't under the impression that it would be easy, just that I like how he looks and that it would suit my frame better,.
I mean, I'm in the gym 4x a week anyway, might as well have a goal body, eh?
lmao it makes sense then, definitely doable imo, you got this
do you people just not fricking lift???
the amount of blackpill shit on /fit is fricking crazy.
I know teenagers who've never lifted a day in their lives and just play sports that look like that.
Bruce Lee was natty and smol. He's just lean anon.
>I'm kinda short(5'10)
you're above the average male height. that is not short. stop taking memes seriously, sperg.
>bro you cannot look big without roids bro everyone is doing them bro you gotta hop on a cycle bro ur gonna get mogged lmaooooo bro just do roids please bro just pin test and blast anabol bro cmon ur gonna look like a DYEL forever bro please just do roids bro just watch 100 hours of literal whos on youtube yapping at each other just roid out bro please
>so scared of natural hormones he has to write a whole book about it and attach the picture of a frog (?) with a pizza on its head (mental illness)
>SARMS
>DBOL
>Anabar
>natural hormones
STOP POSTING THESE ANIMALS
A lot of these are used on ANIMALS that makes them natural are you afraid your mascot might use steroids? You must be severely mentally ill man.
A burned frog???
You are a danger to society at large.
Can we talk about how this guy calls quad-biased movements "knee flexions" even though that's the exact opposite of what they are? Does he even know what flexion is?
What do you expect? He's french
I expect him to know the difference between a flexion and extension, especially when he's the one introducing a new term meant to refer to exercises which target the knee extensors.
I used to think natty lifting was a joke until I pinned some test, that lifestyle is sad as frick, stabbing ur ass 2x a week isn't fun, not to mention test being a mild compound, I was blasting 500mg a week.
No, it isn't a magic pill, you will need to waste more money by buying 2x more food, if ur training sessions are bad and you eat junk food and don't recover u'll look like a natty.
That shit just isn't worth it, you'd need multiple yearly blasts and cruise cycles, unless you leave humanity behind and do tren/some other compounds but at that point you're just giving up on everything you have (potential hair loss, acne, blood pressure, heart and other organs issues). The roiders at my gym are bigger than me but their skin looks like dogshit, it's red, it has that old pasty texture to it, women don't find that attractive.
Also I'm 5'6 in a midget country so I can look pretty good without roids at this height.
NH still has a better physique than the vast majority of fit. He just has shit genetics/insertions. Even when lean his muscles are all flat for some reason and it's definitely not due to lack of size.
Never judge a person's physique by it's aesthetics, always do it by how much muscle they have.
Insertions and frames are a b***h, they can make you look 20 pounds heavier or lighter depending on how good they are
This is so embarrassing...
Yes, this guy has a good body, but this is PEAK natural bodybuilding. This is what you get when you count every calorie and every macro every single day for literal YEARS. When your training routine is dialed in. When you're giving maximum effort day in, day out in the gym for YEARS.
The reality is, most people here will not even put in half the work this guy did. The most you can hope for is a skinnyfat physique with a little more muscle. I mean just look at yourself right now. All those months of the gym and you still look like shit. The reality is that you either "have it" or you don't. Most of you still live with your parents because you're too stupid and lazy to move out and get a good job but you think you'll *magically* get the drive to buckle down on your diet and start lifting heavy? Some of you have been trying to do that for YEARS and just look at you hahahaha. It's actually pathetic.
Do you get commissions on the troony drugs you manage to peddle?
>if you think natty lifting is a joke, that means you think people should take steroids
Amazing logic
So you just come to lifting threads to discourage the practice? Why the frick do you care so much? I think you are a troony, personally.
Is this a "lifting thread"? LMAOOOO you're stupid
It's a natty lifting hate thread
Learn to read Black person
>but this is PEAK natural bodybuilding
Bullshit.
That guy is 5'5 max lol
Anon that's Steve Reeves..
NH has average or even below average. Steve Reeves had amazing genetics. Do you think most people have genetics similar to NH or Steve Reeves?
Yeah you might not have been born to look like the next Ronnie Coleman but all this whining about how useless natty bodybuilding is and how no one can ever look good without blasting thousands of dollars of pharmaceuticals for months or years at a time is the gaygiest shit imaginable.
If people could build good-looking physiques before that shit even existed, you can do it too, even if you won't look like a literal movie star. Hell, I bet there are way more people out there with the potential to look like Reeves who simply never find out how far they can go because they never pick up lifting or bodybuilding in the first place. Who's to say you're not one of them?
It would be true that the vast majority of people can't look good without years of steroids if "looking good" meant what bodybuilders think it means. Luckily that's not the case.
I wonder what the endgame for these people is who complain that you should just stick the needle in or stop going to the gym? Yes, some people have shit genetics and will never achieve anything in the gym except maybe not getting fat, but what do juicers think they will achieve? I get it if you work in as a bodyguard, a career criminal, a bouncer, a soldier or so on, then you probably need to juice to be on the level. If you are just a (failed) normie then do people who juice as a hobby expect that then someone will love them or they will win the lottery next week or what?
it just feels good to look lean and strong is all, I dont' achieve anything by eating tasty food instead of plain rice and chicken breast every day, sure, but it makes me happier to eat tasty food, I could also just always live in silence and never listen to music but that sounds boring as frick so I'll listen to musci from time to time, and on that same note, if I go to the gym multiple time sweekly and I'm out here counting my macros and still make no progress, that feels like shit, if I were to take TRT and suddenly start looking good whule avoiding the more egregious secondary effects then perfect, it makes my health and looks way better, speically if they are designer steroids but those cost the big bucks.
Ain't nobody ever gonna be a pornstart but if all men in the world were given the option to inject something every week that makes their erections stronger and wiener bigger I'd bet a sizeable amount of men would, even those who aren't getting laid at all.
The only problem is money, if money isn't an issue, why wouldn't you?
No one who lifts for a hobby is forced to count any calories or even macros tho it doesn't hurt to know approximately what contains what.
Unironically reevaluate your life.
Could have saved yourself some keystrokes and just said "reeeeeee!"
Delete your account.
>reeeeee!
less cope posty more account delety
>ree reeee!
>NH still has a better physique than the vast majority of fit
99% of fit are literal dyels
Is.....is that an italian? BEGONE FOUL ABOMINATION. AIEEEEEEE SAVE ME Black personMAN
NH is also basically Italian, I'd bet he's from Corsica, he looks like 3 people I know and I'm from Sardinia. Same exact features swear to God.
Im 5’9, 33 years old and weigh180 lbs. body fat says 21% on the scale. I’ve been lifting for only maybe a month and a week or two. I used to when I was younger but nothing crazy. I go 5x a week. Any tips how to cut without losing muscle mass or is it just impossible and I should slightly starve and cope with muscle loss? my tummy is pretty thicc still.
Look into fasting. YMMV but I've had surprising results with 16 hour fasts once or twice a month (including time spent sleeping).
As far as general calorie consumption goes, if you're largely sedentary outside of the gym, you'll need to make some changes to your daily activity in order to burn more than you take in. Something like standing instead of sitting all day or walking around for a couple minutes every hour can shift those numbers enough to make a difference over time.
The fitness community is huffing a ton of copium as far as genetics is concerned. There's a ton of people who train for years and years consistently and still look like DYELs. Yeah some of them train like shit but there's people who train properly and still look like shit. There's an inherent survivorship bias in the bigger fitness youtubers- even if you buy that they're natural, the only reason you hear about them is because they have impressive physiques.
How many DYEL-looking guys actually have successful channels? The only one I can think of that might qualify is Hybrid Calisthenics, and I don't think that guy ever posts body. He's also not targeting the typical gym-going audience.
You can't outlift poor eyesight
get fricked
t. goin on a decade lifting natty