Why do people lift like this? All those hours spent for a physique that only (subjectively) looks good with no shirt on. Clothed they look dyel unless they wear stuff two sizes too small (and even then they look tiny) and they have no strength either. How do they justify the time investment?
This the natty struggle my homie. You can either leanmaxx and look good with no shirt or be higher body fat, more chunky and big in clothing, strong, but not look too good without a shirt.
I know, but the latter has many more scenarios where they actually look good (not just decent but tiny and weak like this guy with no shirt on). Most people don't swim for a living anyways and this guy wouldn't be able to pull of the bare chest party goer act. It just doesn't make any sense to go this route; it's such a waste of effort with almost zero returns. Yet for some reason so many people keep doing it. What keeps them going?
Impressive physique and I also generally agree that being natty and lean means your physique doesn’t pop in clothes. But as a dyel lean twink, women always clock me as fit even in heavy winter clothing. Based on what gf said, it’s some combination of posture, how you move, and how clothes sit on your frame.
Do you live in the arctic circle? Under a hoodie (unless it's really oversized) people will still subconsiously clock you as bigger/stronger than average with a physique like that. The brain is pretty good at this stuff and absolutely can tell the difference between a body like the OP pic and an average skinnyfat dyel under a couple of non-ridiculously-puffy layers of clothing.
And wearing just a shirt it'd be very (consciously) obvious that he lifts, you have serious brainrot if you think otherwise.
The average person would clock some dude that's been on Starting Strength (starting skinny) for 3 months as bigger than average. I sure hope that's not the only thing that they're putting so much effort in for. Especially when their fellow gymgoers know what's really up anyways. >obvious that he lifts
When I call him a dyel I obviously mean that he looks weak as frick. Of course you can see that he's done a little lifting, but most (and especially the "impressive") parts of his physique really aren't visible unless he frauds with small clothes.
>Why aren't people fat and gay like I am
Truly a mystery for the ages
>not being tiny and super lean means that you have to be fat
There are middle grounds, anon. You don't have to become obese, but if you stop caring about that useless sixpack and pack on just a bit more weight you'll look ten times as good with clothes on and actually have strength that suggests that you go to the gym. It's a bit awkward to put this much effort in and then get out squatted by a 15 year old three months into SS. Actually, I'd call that very unmanly, effeminate, and thus gay.
he may well look weak as frick to you and your warped standards but to 99% of people that physique is very impressive so the original question of >Why do people lift like this?
has a rather obvious answer >because they're not trying to impress you specifically
If he lifted to to make the average person think that he lifts, then he could just do two months of SS. It does not answer my question. He puts in a lot of extra time and effort for no extra returns. Why? The average person doesn't see the difference, and the person in the know realizes that the difference is negligible and worthless. >warped standards
A strength standard that any 15 year old could reach in less than a year is not "warped".
Being lean (which is obvious even with a shirt on) in addition to muscular is absolutely more impressive to normies than a pudgy SS build, even if the latter appears equally strong. Why do you think every actor ever who bulks up for a role is lean in addition to big? Where are the starting strength looking dudes in big-budget action movies? Sometimes playing the big dumb henchman who gets heemed by the hero I guess. Having the extra bf% also affects your face, which, sure, in the case of OP is nothing special anyway, but in general your face always looks better lean, often significantly.
>The average person would clock some dude that's been on Starting Strength (starting skinny) for 3 months as bigger than average.
Because he got fat.
You will always look like you lift in clothes because broad shoulders and slim waist. Unless you do SS/powershitting because your waist wiill grow faster than your shoulders, making your forever DYEL.
>thinks a twiggy teen will turn fat from three months of eating at a 500 kcal surplus >thinks fat lifts muscles
Sorry anon, you're not allowed to post on this board if you don't lift. good luck with your new years resolution though!
People who gained a good level of base strength in a short amount of time and then branched out into whatever other stuff they wanted to do aren't victims. They're efficient lifters. You not understanding this once again shows that you're a dyel with no actual lifting experience; you only read up on IST memes before coming here.
>500 kcal surplus
YNDTFP
That's because that is the only moronic part of the program and something other SS coaches don't even agree with. Doesn't matter, a twiggy 60kg teen wouldn't get fat from 3 months of a 1500kcal surplus either.
Let's not turn this into a discussion about SS though. The point is that this "bodybuilder" is weaker than teens three months into their lifting journey.
>I'm just trying to figure out why they find it fun
Oh yeah that's not something you're ever going to find the answer to, it's just one of life's great Mysteries is why people find certain things fun and enjoyable.
Like trying to find out why some people like the color blue or some people like the color green or why some people like pickles or why some people like Ice Cream you know it's just they do that's all there is to it don't waste your time trying to figure it out you're way too stupid
I am perfectly capable of explaining why I enjoy lifting the way I do. Why? Because I'm not a drooling moron that lacks sapience.
4 months ago
Giddy
Well then tell me why do you enjoy lifting the way you do
4 months ago
Anonymous
Athletes objectively have some of the most aesthetic physics, and yet they train their core like crazy and only do compounds. Training core doesn't equal big waist, the only thing that equals big waist is fat or genetics or both
Yeah, like I said, a fifteen year old three months into SS and still at sub 15% bodyfat.
>why yes, everyone must immediately know i lift, how else would they know my personality?
Kek body dysmorphic gays get the rope
He is obviously lifting for appearance alone (not strength), so yes, he's got a problem when nobody actually thinks that he's got a physique that matches his time investment.
Reminder that this is a /plg/ gay and he prefers his body to look like this
Proof that Americans are so used to being around fat people that they have a skewed sense of what looks good.
If your body can only exist in either of those two states, then you have serious problems with your metabolism. See a doctor.
>appearance >strength
Brother, have you ever heard of: Health? Being able to have stamina, strength, flexibility without destroying your body in martial arts fights or with drugs. When the Greeks wrote about, and literally shaped, the male physique, they were talking about being strong AND healthy.
There are no health benefits in a physique like this compared to one for which he lifted less and where had slightly higher bodyfat. The latter would increase his life expectancy, even. >flexibility and fighting
The strongest fighters, once again, aren't this lean. This level of leanness is only attained for vanity.
It's not about pursuing one factor over another. If you wanted strength above all else, you'd take drugs. If you wanted to be the best fighter, you'd fight until you reach your physical limits. If you wanted flexibility, you'd go be a ballerina.
It's about being better at everything, and you don't need perfect balance, but if you're sacrificing one factor for another, then are you really hitting your ideal body and fitness? Or the ideal that others covet? When people said you should be a well-rounded person, they probably weren't talking about being fat. They meant improve in all fields until you reach your peak. Maybe your ideal is the pursuit of one aspect over all else, but at least understand that not everyone is so obsessed over the same things.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>If you are sacrificing one factor for another
Exactly! Just like how this guy is doing with his dumb build, right? He's sacrificing his strength and how he looks clothed just to (subjectively) look good with no shirt on. By your logic you should be advocating for the sub-15% powerbuild physique that looks big and strong clothed, looks impressive even shirtless, and which leaves you with more strength than a 15 year old.
This guy may as well start hyperfocusing on his calves only. Then he can constantly lift up his pants when talking to others to show how much he lifts (because they have no idea how much time goes into the physique otherwise).
decent bait or unironic body dysmorphia
>too lean = dyel >not lean enough = fat
IST in a nutshell
>being weaker than a 15 year old three months into SS places you outside of dyel territory
Smells like January.
Maybe just maybe they enjoy it I know you've never found anything in your life that you enjoy which is why you're a miserable c**t with some people have found that thing that they enjoy and it makes them happy and they just keep doing it because it's just fun and they enjoy it
Some autists sort marbles for fun 24/7, but I'll question their hobby regardless. At least they have the excuse of mental moronation, but hopefully that's not the case for all these natty "bodybuilders".
It does not upset me. I'm just trying to figure out why they find it fun. A normal person is able to articulate why they enjoy doing something. If they want to do this, then they're allowed to. But just what keeps them going, putting this much effort into something that rewards them with nothing (and actually makes their body worse overall)? It's genuine curiosity; I want to understand.
>I'm just trying to figure out why they find it fun
Oh yeah that's not something you're ever going to find the answer to, it's just one of life's great Mysteries is why people find certain things fun and enjoyable.
Like trying to find out why some people like the color blue or some people like the color green or why some people like pickles or why some people like Ice Cream you know it's just they do that's all there is to it don't waste your time trying to figure it out you're way too stupid
You're chronically online. Go hit some pussy, homosexual ( I don't believe in therapy, so that's the next best thing I can recommend).
I've been lifting natty for a little short of 2 years and have the most average (if not bellow average) genetics. That's enough for nearly everyone around me ask if I'm taking gear. The bar is fricking low. Look at everyone around you. The average person looks like a dysgenic pig.
No, you won't look like your insta fitness model since you probably don't have their insane genetics or because you're not taking obscene amounts of gear. However, if you are somewhat muscular and lean, that's enough for you to be a subcelebrity for people around you.
Yeah, and you'd be (and look) even stronger if you went for a physique that's not this lean. Normalgays would be even more impressed when they see you clothed as well, because you'd be way bigger (and no, not fat). What is your point? I'm not saying that natty lifting is useless. I'm saying that natty bodybuilding is moronic.
There really is no limit other than time.
The amount you can grow in a year gets lower and lower, but never reaches zero. There will simply come a time when even if you do everything right, you’ll only gain a pound or 2 a year
there will actually come a time when you gain 0 pounds a year. and it comes fairly quickly. kinobody has been 170-180lbs fluctuating based on his bodyfat for the last 10 years already. He absolutely cannot gain a pound or 2 in a year anymore. Thats why he has stayed the same. He can slightly change his body compositions, leverage and strengths depending if he is cutting or bulking but the limit comes seriously very early if you make your gains optimally in the beginning. Sure if you still dont bench 3pl8 let alone 2pl8 you can just keep on gaining and gaining for years to come but yeah.
Natty limit is around 24-25~~ ffmi, that's peak genetics + perfect training + consistency for a decade plus.
For the average dude natty limit will be around 22-23 ffmi. If you're average height (5'9) and want to be lean, say 12% body fat a bit leaner than the dude in the pic your natty limit will be around 170-175 lbs. If you're 6ft tall 12% body fat and you have average genetics your limit will be 190-195, which is BIG, you'll be at a point where you look muscular in cloths and yet still be Lean
probably
look almost like myron
progression is painfully slow
i've accepted the natty limit, roids are not worth it bros
the gained strength from roids is literally useless in day to day life even if you're a mechanic for heavy duty shit. just use tools to lift heavy shit
roids are moronic, what do you accomplish?
Your only benefit will be bigger numbers on bench press which 95% of people don't care about, and women definitely don't give a flying frick about. You won't get any more athletic either with roids.
As for physique, the only people that'll be impressed are other schizo roiders, women will find a physique like Myrion, lean with decent muscle mass far more attractive than the average roider physique.
This is without mentioning the side effects of roiding, hair loss, your balls shrink, you'll be dead by 40 if you abuse, and your endocrine system is fricked. There's a reason why every roider tells you to not touch the stuff.
Those legs are shit, it's easy to tell. This guy is also not the limit of anything, his upper body looks good for a natty don't get me wrong but you can get better than this. Not a frickton better but noticeably better as a natty
Because he also looks small and weak. It's uncanny. It's the little Toyota your sister drives masquerading as a sportscar; a little spoiler, luxury doors, expensive wrap, loud exhaust, but still in the shape of that tiny Toyota. And of course it's still got that slow engine.
Lifting while ignoring both size and strength is dumb. That's why you shouldn't ever do bodybuilding as a natty.
You have to be white to use this website
Okays saars redeem
Ya if your limited by a b***h ass mindset.
Swarthy gay wearing cringe gymshark.
Why do people lift like this? All those hours spent for a physique that only (subjectively) looks good with no shirt on. Clothed they look dyel unless they wear stuff two sizes too small (and even then they look tiny) and they have no strength either. How do they justify the time investment?
This the natty struggle my homie. You can either leanmaxx and look good with no shirt or be higher body fat, more chunky and big in clothing, strong, but not look too good without a shirt.
I know, but the latter has many more scenarios where they actually look good (not just decent but tiny and weak like this guy with no shirt on). Most people don't swim for a living anyways and this guy wouldn't be able to pull of the bare chest party goer act. It just doesn't make any sense to go this route; it's such a waste of effort with almost zero returns. Yet for some reason so many people keep doing it. What keeps them going?
>Why aren't people fat and gay like I am
Truly a mystery for the ages
Not OP, but I agree with what he was saying. Post physique twink gay.
Impressive physique and I also generally agree that being natty and lean means your physique doesn’t pop in clothes. But as a dyel lean twink, women always clock me as fit even in heavy winter clothing. Based on what gf said, it’s some combination of posture, how you move, and how clothes sit on your frame.
natty
big
lean
pick two
You literally look like a freak.
Get mental help.
NTA, but post body.
No, I’m nice when I post body and don’t want anyone to know I’m mean when I make anonymous posts.
I agree with you brody
Do you live in the arctic circle? Under a hoodie (unless it's really oversized) people will still subconsiously clock you as bigger/stronger than average with a physique like that. The brain is pretty good at this stuff and absolutely can tell the difference between a body like the OP pic and an average skinnyfat dyel under a couple of non-ridiculously-puffy layers of clothing.
And wearing just a shirt it'd be very (consciously) obvious that he lifts, you have serious brainrot if you think otherwise.
The average person would clock some dude that's been on Starting Strength (starting skinny) for 3 months as bigger than average. I sure hope that's not the only thing that they're putting so much effort in for. Especially when their fellow gymgoers know what's really up anyways.
>obvious that he lifts
When I call him a dyel I obviously mean that he looks weak as frick. Of course you can see that he's done a little lifting, but most (and especially the "impressive") parts of his physique really aren't visible unless he frauds with small clothes.
>not being tiny and super lean means that you have to be fat
There are middle grounds, anon. You don't have to become obese, but if you stop caring about that useless sixpack and pack on just a bit more weight you'll look ten times as good with clothes on and actually have strength that suggests that you go to the gym. It's a bit awkward to put this much effort in and then get out squatted by a 15 year old three months into SS. Actually, I'd call that very unmanly, effeminate, and thus gay.
he may well look weak as frick to you and your warped standards but to 99% of people that physique is very impressive so the original question of
>Why do people lift like this?
has a rather obvious answer
>because they're not trying to impress you specifically
If he lifted to to make the average person think that he lifts, then he could just do two months of SS. It does not answer my question. He puts in a lot of extra time and effort for no extra returns. Why? The average person doesn't see the difference, and the person in the know realizes that the difference is negligible and worthless.
>warped standards
A strength standard that any 15 year old could reach in less than a year is not "warped".
Being lean (which is obvious even with a shirt on) in addition to muscular is absolutely more impressive to normies than a pudgy SS build, even if the latter appears equally strong. Why do you think every actor ever who bulks up for a role is lean in addition to big? Where are the starting strength looking dudes in big-budget action movies? Sometimes playing the big dumb henchman who gets heemed by the hero I guess. Having the extra bf% also affects your face, which, sure, in the case of OP is nothing special anyway, but in general your face always looks better lean, often significantly.
>The average person would clock some dude that's been on Starting Strength (starting skinny) for 3 months as bigger than average.
Because he got fat.
You will always look like you lift in clothes because broad shoulders and slim waist. Unless you do SS/powershitting because your waist wiill grow faster than your shoulders, making your forever DYEL.
>thinks a twiggy teen will turn fat from three months of eating at a 500 kcal surplus
>thinks fat lifts muscles
Sorry anon, you're not allowed to post on this board if you don't lift. good luck with your new years resolution though!
SS victims are a dime a dozen on IST. Lurk more.
People who gained a good level of base strength in a short amount of time and then branched out into whatever other stuff they wanted to do aren't victims. They're efficient lifters. You not understanding this once again shows that you're a dyel with no actual lifting experience; you only read up on IST memes before coming here.
That's because that is the only moronic part of the program and something other SS coaches don't even agree with. Doesn't matter, a twiggy 60kg teen wouldn't get fat from 3 months of a 1500kcal surplus either.
Let's not turn this into a discussion about SS though. The point is that this "bodybuilder" is weaker than teens three months into their lifting journey.
I am perfectly capable of explaining why I enjoy lifting the way I do. Why? Because I'm not a drooling moron that lacks sapience.
Well then tell me why do you enjoy lifting the way you do
Athletes objectively have some of the most aesthetic physics, and yet they train their core like crazy and only do compounds. Training core doesn't equal big waist, the only thing that equals big waist is fat or genetics or both
>500 kcal surplus
YNDTFP
>no strength
Guaranteed that guy 2-3x stronger and has way better bone density than the average person
Yeah, like I said, a fifteen year old three months into SS and still at sub 15% bodyfat.
He is obviously lifting for appearance alone (not strength), so yes, he's got a problem when nobody actually thinks that he's got a physique that matches his time investment.
If your body can only exist in either of those two states, then you have serious problems with your metabolism. See a doctor.
>appearance
>strength
Brother, have you ever heard of: Health? Being able to have stamina, strength, flexibility without destroying your body in martial arts fights or with drugs. When the Greeks wrote about, and literally shaped, the male physique, they were talking about being strong AND healthy.
There are no health benefits in a physique like this compared to one for which he lifted less and where had slightly higher bodyfat. The latter would increase his life expectancy, even.
>flexibility and fighting
The strongest fighters, once again, aren't this lean. This level of leanness is only attained for vanity.
It's not about pursuing one factor over another. If you wanted strength above all else, you'd take drugs. If you wanted to be the best fighter, you'd fight until you reach your physical limits. If you wanted flexibility, you'd go be a ballerina.
It's about being better at everything, and you don't need perfect balance, but if you're sacrificing one factor for another, then are you really hitting your ideal body and fitness? Or the ideal that others covet? When people said you should be a well-rounded person, they probably weren't talking about being fat. They meant improve in all fields until you reach your peak. Maybe your ideal is the pursuit of one aspect over all else, but at least understand that not everyone is so obsessed over the same things.
>If you are sacrificing one factor for another
Exactly! Just like how this guy is doing with his dumb build, right? He's sacrificing his strength and how he looks clothed just to (subjectively) look good with no shirt on. By your logic you should be advocating for the sub-15% powerbuild physique that looks big and strong clothed, looks impressive even shirtless, and which leaves you with more strength than a 15 year old.
This guy may as well start hyperfocusing on his calves only. Then he can constantly lift up his pants when talking to others to show how much he lifts (because they have no idea how much time goes into the physique otherwise).
>being weaker than a 15 year old three months into SS places you outside of dyel territory
Smells like January.
>t. body dysmorphia gay
>why yes, everyone must immediately know i lift, how else would they know my personality?
Kek body dysmorphic gays get the rope
Reminder that this is a /plg/ gay and he prefers his body to look like this
>A powerbelly is an indicator of massive strength.
Lmaoooo he literally is too fat to be able to sit up.
Proof that Americans are so used to being around fat people that they have a skewed sense of what looks good.
>too lean = dyel
>not lean enough = fat
IST in a nutshell
decent bait or unironic body dysmorphia
I have a life outside of lifting anon, idgaf how I look clothed.
Maybe just maybe they enjoy it I know you've never found anything in your life that you enjoy which is why you're a miserable c**t with some people have found that thing that they enjoy and it makes them happy and they just keep doing it because it's just fun and they enjoy it
Some autists sort marbles for fun 24/7, but I'll question their hobby regardless. At least they have the excuse of mental moronation, but hopefully that's not the case for all these natty "bodybuilders".
Idk what you are trying to say, why does others having fun upset you?
It does not upset me. I'm just trying to figure out why they find it fun. A normal person is able to articulate why they enjoy doing something. If they want to do this, then they're allowed to. But just what keeps them going, putting this much effort into something that rewards them with nothing (and actually makes their body worse overall)? It's genuine curiosity; I want to understand.
>I'm just trying to figure out why they find it fun
Oh yeah that's not something you're ever going to find the answer to, it's just one of life's great Mysteries is why people find certain things fun and enjoyable.
Like trying to find out why some people like the color blue or some people like the color green or why some people like pickles or why some people like Ice Cream you know it's just they do that's all there is to it don't waste your time trying to figure it out you're way too stupid
>look dyel with a shirt on
thats a good thing
you're literally obese
I'm allowed to post shirtless pics on tinder so it's all good
You're chronically online. Go hit some pussy, homosexual ( I don't believe in therapy, so that's the next best thing I can recommend).
I've been lifting natty for a little short of 2 years and have the most average (if not bellow average) genetics. That's enough for nearly everyone around me ask if I'm taking gear. The bar is fricking low. Look at everyone around you. The average person looks like a dysgenic pig.
No, you won't look like your insta fitness model since you probably don't have their insane genetics or because you're not taking obscene amounts of gear. However, if you are somewhat muscular and lean, that's enough for you to be a subcelebrity for people around you.
Yeah, and you'd be (and look) even stronger if you went for a physique that's not this lean. Normalgays would be even more impressed when they see you clothed as well, because you'd be way bigger (and no, not fat). What is your point? I'm not saying that natty lifting is useless. I'm saying that natty bodybuilding is moronic.
Objectively, lean is more beautiful.
He looks better than 99.9% of people. If you go outside you'd realize that
>pajeet
lmaoing rn
Myron is black Arab iirc
still looks like a pajeet and constantly seethes at women harder than a poo rapist
>Natty limit
Unless you're a professional body builder or a fitness influencer, there's really not a logical reason to get bigger.
fuuuck when she bent over and the skin got TIGHT sauce pls pls
Imagine some moron who doesn't even hit legs trying to market himself as the natty limit.
Those shoulders and legs and forearms definitely aren’t at the natty limit
This is the natty limit for most NPCs, yes. Dedicated or genetically gifted athletes can look much, much better than this.
can you post some of those dedicated or genetically gifted athletes?
Brock Lesnar, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man Randy Savage
that dude is an ectomorph and suited to 1500m -5000m races
>fed
ngmi
Now post Fresh
There really is no limit other than time.
The amount you can grow in a year gets lower and lower, but never reaches zero. There will simply come a time when even if you do everything right, you’ll only gain a pound or 2 a year
there will actually come a time when you gain 0 pounds a year. and it comes fairly quickly. kinobody has been 170-180lbs fluctuating based on his bodyfat for the last 10 years already. He absolutely cannot gain a pound or 2 in a year anymore. Thats why he has stayed the same. He can slightly change his body compositions, leverage and strengths depending if he is cutting or bulking but the limit comes seriously very early if you make your gains optimally in the beginning. Sure if you still dont bench 3pl8 let alone 2pl8 you can just keep on gaining and gaining for years to come but yeah.
Definitely not the natty limit, plus he looks already much better than any acne covered, shriveled dick roid troony
>natty limit
>black
?
Natty limit is around 24-25~~ ffmi, that's peak genetics + perfect training + consistency for a decade plus.
For the average dude natty limit will be around 22-23 ffmi. If you're average height (5'9) and want to be lean, say 12% body fat a bit leaner than the dude in the pic your natty limit will be around 170-175 lbs. If you're 6ft tall 12% body fat and you have average genetics your limit will be 190-195, which is BIG, you'll be at a point where you look muscular in cloths and yet still be Lean
What would my natty limit be at 5'6 weight wise?
around 155~ ish if you want to be lean with abs and veins popping. Top tier genetics will be 165~ Lean
6ft 195 at 12% body fat is fricking HUGE
t. Dysmorphic lunatic
probably
look almost like myron
progression is painfully slow
i've accepted the natty limit, roids are not worth it bros
the gained strength from roids is literally useless in day to day life even if you're a mechanic for heavy duty shit. just use tools to lift heavy shit
roids are moronic, what do you accomplish?
Your only benefit will be bigger numbers on bench press which 95% of people don't care about, and women definitely don't give a flying frick about. You won't get any more athletic either with roids.
As for physique, the only people that'll be impressed are other schizo roiders, women will find a physique like Myrion, lean with decent muscle mass far more attractive than the average roider physique.
This is without mentioning the side effects of roiding, hair loss, your balls shrink, you'll be dead by 40 if you abuse, and your endocrine system is fricked. There's a reason why every roider tells you to not touch the stuff.
I roid because its fun as frick to look like a comic book or anime character and I want to die already so IDC about side effects
This homie looks like the regulars that go to my nearby mosque lol
Those legs are shit, it's easy to tell. This guy is also not the limit of anything, his upper body looks good for a natty don't get me wrong but you can get better than this. Not a frickton better but noticeably better as a natty
>Natty limit
If you have poocel sudra genetics
why does he look so bad? he has a good hairline, low bf %, visible abs, decent muscle insertions... yet i find him quite ugly and unimpressive looking
he's a sand Black person with a neanderthal face
Doesn't have a particularly aesthetic face + the lighting is super shit. Since he has darker skin the lighting makes it look like shit.
Also dude has twig legs.
Because he also looks small and weak. It's uncanny. It's the little Toyota your sister drives masquerading as a sportscar; a little spoiler, luxury doors, expensive wrap, loud exhaust, but still in the shape of that tiny Toyota. And of course it's still got that slow engine.
Lifting while ignoring both size and strength is dumb. That's why you shouldn't ever do bodybuilding as a natty.
because hes a shitskin
Post body immediately.
Average college party bro gym physique
>he thinks that guy is natty