>never gets sore

>never gets sore
How do I feel these jerks? I've tried a thumbless grip, narrow grip, wide grip etc, but at the end of the day all that burns are my forearms

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry about feeling them. Just get the reps in (use straps if necessary) and increase the weight over time.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bent over barbell row?
    T-bar row?
    seated neutral grip row?
    1 arm cable pull down rows?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lat pull down and cable row, I also don't feel them during barbell rows but those are big compounds so it doesn't make sense to worry

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wear a dipping belt?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >feeling

    ?t=902

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The advice of people who take gear is worthless, gay.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Roiders stimulate muscle growth through the same exercises retard.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What he's specifically doing is irrelevant because of the gear. He'd get results no matter what. If you want a big back just do pullups and rows. If your back isn't as big as his, well that's because he does steroids.

          They're called "influencers" because they're good at influencing people, anon. Not because they necessarily tell the truth. That entire video is designed to make you click and watch it. That's all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's amazing how many people watch content on social media and genuinely believe they're having truth preached to them, like boomers who believe everything they see on the news.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nta but just because they roid doesn't mean you blanketly dismiss everything they say.
            I don't know who this guy is in particular but for example I'd take rich piano's advice on bicep hypertrophy over some 5'2 dyel natty

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              If you want his results, take gear. Don't be shocked when you stay small while taking his advice. You're naive if you think anything will change while taking his advice. Chances are all you need is more volume in what you already do.

              About the only youtube channel I half believe is Jeff's AthleanX.
              The rest I have to keep clicking 'don't recommend channel'.

              Here's some rules I like to use when blocking channels:

              1) Arrow in the thumbnail? Blocked
              2) React video? Blocked
              3) Soiface in the thumbnail? Blocked

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What advise do you disagree with?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You know when some DYEL tells you about all the best methods of training and you just roll your eyes because even though he might be correct it's still a DYEL? That's exactly what I do with roiders. I ain't watching that gay shit and giving him the clicks he craves, and you're a tool for doing so.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >His points are garbage!
                >But I don't know them!

                Your loss.

                OP: a summary.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this exists
                Why do humans struggle to feel the back muscles specifically?
                I've never seen anyone complain they don't feel their quads after squats, or chest after bench, it's always back and particularly lats

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You will definitely feel your lower back after back extensions, good mornings or deadlifts.

                Upper back I've noticed this observation too. I can only assume its because people mask its true work with the use of their arms.

                Maybe retract your scapula's and holding the end range as an eccentric before your pull. And/or

                straight-arm lat pulldowns hit these directly

                not reading rest of thread nor will i be monitoring

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                i always have the inverse problem. whenever i do chest or delts i involuntarily recruit the back too much

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I dunno. I did a back workout a few hours ago and I feel it.
                Guess I should post what I did if it helps people here. Though before I do, I always try to squeeze the contraction with the part I am working on with all my exercises.
                That is especially important for back work where pulling movements you need to think of pulling with your elbows as a lever and then really squeezing in the contraction on the muscle.

                Deadlifts, ramp up to 3x5
                Pull ups, 3xF
                Barbell Row 3x5
                Lat Pulldown 3x8
                1 arm standing cable pull down 3x12
                Straight arm cable pull downs 3x12
                Long rope cable face pulls (the Jeff Cavaliere way) 3x12
                Trap bar shoulder shrugs 3x12
                1 arm cable shrugs 3x12
                Hyperextensions 2x12
                If a 40yr old can do it right, anyone can.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                what the hell is body english

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cheat rep. You can't get too retarded though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            About the only youtube channel I half believe is Jeff's AthleanX.
            The rest I have to keep clicking 'don't recommend channel'.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The point timestamped in the video is the fact that lots of people fixate on trying to "feel" the muscle work. Therefore fuck about rather than linearly progress. If you barbell row your lats are working whether you feel them or not. Roiding is irrelevant to that point.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes and if you bench heavy your chest is working and growing, too, but it doesn't mean it's the best exercise for hypertrophy for you. Certainly still a bread and butter exercise and essential in my opinion, even if just to maintain a decent level of strength but I see no reason not to keep that exercise in and still focus more on others.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Does this equate to growth? My back looks pretty much like it did 8 years ago, give or take a bit if size from bulks and cuts, when I was doing 45lbs added for 5-6 as a max on pull ups. I was doing for 75 for 10-12, then moved up to strip set of 5 at 90, 5 at 70, 5+ at 45, 5+ at bodyweight. No real change. Actually, my arms might look slightly worse now, maybe because I did a ton of direct arm work when I was young and do less now. Also row a lot more, taking the 115s for DB rows and dropping to 100s midway for extended sets when I used 85s then. My back was bigger when I was bigger, but looks the same down at the same weight.

              My chest looks significantly better having gone from 45lb added dips to up to 225, but it also hasn't really grown since I hit 135.

              As for feeling muscle soreness, I almost never do. I used to climb a lot and moved to a flat area and climb far less. Now when I climb I get DOMs, but it is mostly in my forearms not lats. But static holds do get me some DOMs. I do ring work with static holds somewhat often and normally end pull ups with heavy hangs. Traps are the only thing that get reliably sore, and that's if I load then with very heavy shrugs I have to cheat a bit in, but they don't really grow.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Does this equate to growth?

                If you can row more volume than you did a year ago I can't see why your lats wouldn't be bigger?

                OP have you tried heavy one armed dumbbell rows? 3-4 sets of 20. Use a strap. The important part is starting from a stretched hanging position. When I first did them I definitely felt sore the next day under my armpits.

                e.g. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GE1wIZcCg2k

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                During the pandemic I lost a bunch of weight due to gyms being closed and being unmotivated to eat big. I switched to a lot of ring work and calisthetics plus sprints. So I ended up about where I was years ago. I can't really tell a difference in pictures. I had already been lifting for years at that point anyhow, and was decently strong, but now my SS man is much better ("world class" is only because the standards for weighted dips and pull ups are dumb).

                Going from all advanced up didn't change how I looked at all. I think at a certain point it doesn't make much of a difference.

                Actually, after an injury layoff / having my son I was fatter and smaller than I'd been in years, but I could still hit 11 reps of pull ups with a plate on, so it's almost like your body gets used to higher performance and doesn't stimulate growth as much.

                Makes sense given you see guys who bench 450+ at 155lbs, or 145lb guys pulling 600. At a certain point it is getting wired in at low levels of mass.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >lots of people fixate on trying to "feel" the muscle work
              because it matters a lot on non-isolation exercise.
              >If you barbell row your lats are working whether you feel them or not
              they may be working, but they may not be stressed maximally, which is required for muscle growth. it's pretty common for people to (subconsciously) rely on other muscles. e.g. people with shorter upper arms often have trouble using their lats and rely more on their mid traps, rhomboids, etc to row. https://youtu.be/qd7jfeWKqPk
              for me personally, my left quadriceps vmo won't activate properly during squats and other leg exercises. I don't feel it working, the days after it's not sore, and it doesn't grow nearly as well as my right vmo. I suspect it's because my right leg is an inch longer. same with my right pec, which won't activate well on push exercises. I feel my left pec working well during the exercises, it gets sore, and it grows well. but I don't feel my right pec working, it doesn't get sore, and it doesn't grow well. for my right side, my triceps and front delts take over (which do get sore and grow well). I suspect it's due to a shoulder problem, but I can't seem to fix it.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I found it really easy to make a mind muscle connection with neutral grips, then when I went back to straight bar pull ups after a few weeks I really felt them light up

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do pull-ups at the end of your back day
    You will feel them plus you will get to failure quicker since your back muscles are already tired from an entire day lifting

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pull with your elbows. Instead of wrestling the bar back or down with your hands (you'll feel it more in your arms), pretend you're driving your elbows into your pocket.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As for accessories, narrow underhand grip with an ez bar cable attachment works best for me, and I do all my other pulldowns unilaterally with a single handle. Also feel free to use straps for accessories. I usually finish with straight arm pushdowns and they isolate my lats like hell.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Really try to contract and squeeze the area as you do the rep. Hold it for 2 seconds even.
    Or take 1 second to contract then 3 seconds to finish the rep.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    straight-arm lat pulldowns hit these directly

    not reading rest of thread nor will i be monitoring

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Full ROM weighted chinups and you'll get doms

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Try controlled and slow one-armed cable pull-downs with only medium weight. Do as many as needed until you feel them burn. Then do the real sets.
    High volume low intensity is the key to mind-muscle connection.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I had this same issue and an anon here said to focus on pulling your elbows down to your pelvis during wide grip pull-ups as opposed to just thinking about getting your chin up to the bar which will make you pull your wrists towards your shoulders.
    I also have a damaged tendon in my forearm, so I am using lifting straps so I can keep doing pulls while it heals.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Landmine rows. It's a power exercise though, so no "slow and controlled" nonsense. Do sets of like 15 reps where you drive the weight hard and fast into your chest.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dogshit exercise. Literally any row variation is infinitely better.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        wrong

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If it's good enough for Arnold it's good enough for me

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s a god tier back exercise. Superset these with

        https://i.imgur.com/Yu3b4Tb.jpg

        Someone recommended this in an earlier thread. I did them for the first time today, and my lats are on fucking fire.

        for crazy back gains

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          T-Bar row is great but personally I like to interchange it with barbell row in the same position. Usually about 4 months of doing one or the other.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dumbbell rows make them feel like they're about to rip off. I actually got rid of that lift because it was too good.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Someone recommended this in an earlier thread. I did them for the first time today, and my lats are on fucking fire.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The best lat accessory. I started doing these and my back grew like crazy. Perfect for a warmup exercise and finisher

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Had this problem when i got back into lifting. You need to strengthen your grip and forearms - they are failing before you can properly exhaust your lats

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you're supposed to keep your forearms like pic related and engage the pulling movement from your elbows downwards in straight line

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    freindly reminder that rows are pointless and you should just do the pullups/pulldowns

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