You won't get big doing martial arts and lifting, you burn to many calories to put on serious muscle.
I used to do martial arts and I learned that guys who are TOO big and TOO muscular more than likely can't fight and have shit cardio.
I'm more wary around skinny guys out in public than I am big muscled dudes.
There's exceptions, some big guys who do tons of cardio and mma, but that's rare.
Big muscle guys have the advantage in the clinch/standing grappling, because they can just muscle you down, but standing striking, any one who knows what they are doing can run circles around them and once you are on the ground anyone with BJJ technique will control the fight.
If you post the webm of some big guy sitting on someones chest I'll just laugh because that doesn't work on people with grappling training. The sit-on-chest maneuver only works on no-fighters.
>but standing striking, any one who knows what they are doing can run circles around them and once you are on the ground anyone with BJJ technique will control the fight.
I would be surprised to learn that you have any martial arts training or fighting experience against a trained fighter.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I would be surprised to learn you're not hooked to a ventilator right now. Post belt if you're able to walk and talk.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you personally offended that martial artists are better at fighting than body builders?
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just taken back by how someone can adamantly claim being big and strong would be a negative in a physical fight.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If the person is trained, being big and strong is a major plus.
If they aren't trained, and especially if they are a gym rat, they usually have low endurance muscles and bad cardio.
Boxing and wrestling is a much different exercise than lifting weights, it relies on endurance and cardio. If I see a guy who is really big and muscular I think he most likely got that way lifting weights and if he hasn't been shadow boxing and running, then his muscles will give out after a 25 seconds of throwing hay makers that I back away from or duck under.
If they stay on top of their shadow boxing and cardio, that's a different story.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>If I see a guy who is really big and muscular I think he most likely got that way lifting weights and if he hasn't been shadow boxing and running, then his muscles will give out after a 25 seconds of throwing hay makers that I back away from or duck under. >If they do shadow boxing and cardio that's a different story
Why would a guy with big, conditioned muscles drain out from exhaustion after trying to fight for 20 seconds? That's like saying professional D1 Athletes or offensive lineman couldn't fight for more than 20 seconds.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Because a lot of big muscle guys neglect their cardio.
Your muscles change when you do cardio in that they grow more blood vessels which helps take out the acid that builds up from things like throwing punches.
If those guys haven't been doing their cardio their muscles will fill up with acid and blood and they'll be slow as a tortoise after a couple thrown haymakers.
5 months ago
Anonymous
hold on i gotta take a shit
5 months ago
Anonymous
Of course you do.
IST really is filled with no-fighter muscle tards.
5 months ago
Anonymous
actually IST is filled with no-fighter dyels but whatever
5 months ago
Anonymous
Of course you do.
IST really is filled with no-fighter muscle tards.
Okay so I'm back and through my time in reflection I realized what matters most in a fight is the exact thing you do to win the fight. It doesn't matter who's bigger, who's stronger, who's smaller, who's lighter, who has the most or least training, who has the most endurance or power, all of this makes no difference. If you uppercut someone or land a quick headlock throw on someone and you stop them, you won through what you did not from what you have under your belt as stated in the former.
But to humor this conversation, when was the last time you heard someone who got in a fight and lost say "Yeah, I lost because I'm really big and strong." Never, because it's a non-sequitur. It makes no fricking sense whatsoever.
Why would a weightlifter 'gas out' in a fight? First of all, if he manages to land a single shot or grabs a hold of the guy he's going to just wreck the shit out of them 9 times out of 10. If the guy does his little run-around trick (whatever the frick that is) why would the weightlifter follow him and try to swing around at him? If he lands one, 1 fricking tag on him it's going to be like a bear swiping at him. He has more power and can produce a greater amount of it in a shorter time which usually determines the victor in a physical situation (I.e. the thing they did to win like throw a punch or throw).
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'll let someone else answer you, I gotta go take a shit.
Someone who has been training a striking and grappling martial art for 4-6 hours a week every week for a year is virtually guaranteed to win any fight they get in unless the other guy has a 100lb weight advantage.
If you do boxing, judo and BJJ for a year you will be invincible in hand to hand fights with no weapons on the street to most everyone who would fight you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I disagree
5 months ago
Anonymous
Change that to muai tai, BJJ and wrestling and I agree
>The sit-on-chest maneuver only works on no-fighters.
Wrong. High mount is the hardest position to get out of and if it's someone heavy, it's likely over unless you're some black belt maybe
In the world of the "combat sports" wankers there are only MMA guys and non-MMA guys (or non-BJJ guys or whatever).
You can recognise the moronation immediately because they never talk about grades of skill excepting perhaps for their homosexual useless belt systems which have no real world application.
It's always "if you fight an MMA guy then..."
They never qualify whether that means a full time pro or some skinny runt doing an hour a week meaning most likely they're the latter.
>I used to do martial arts and I learned that guys who are TOO big and TOO muscular more than likely can't fight and have shit cardio.
The cope.
I'm sure this is why they have weight divisions in combat sports.
To protect the big guys from being destroyed by the little guys.
big guys who train in mma are not the same as joe blow on the street how got big from lifting weights 3 times a week and binge eating.
Most people don't train mma.
Also the average 6'2 250lb dude on the street is not a in the same league as division one football athlete so I don't know why people in this thread keep thinking random fat dudes and body builders have as good of cardio as elite athletes do.
>Head and arm throw
What are you, a woman? A jv wrestler?
why are karategays so insecure they have to make threads here all day long about how they can kick a bodybuilder's ass?
This is not sane behavior.
sure you can beat me up with your karate or whatever but what will you do when i playfully overhead press your gf and now she keeps thinking of me while you're fricking her?
>I have a Black personbelt in...
I crush your windpipe with my bare hands in under a second.
I train obliques too homosexual >yfw you're holding yourself upside down because you tried to do some homosexual flip and I don't even notice you're there
They are clearly coping. They get mogged by a guy that does some form of strength training + martial arts. Strength + weight matters just as much as technique
sure you can beat me up with your karate or whatever but what will you do when i playfully overhead press your gf and now she keeps thinking of me while you're fricking her?
Because serious martial arts training is so calorie intensive and hard on your body that you can't build muscle and weight lift and train mma at the same time.
Because DYELs like that other moron that responded to you first do not lift and then seethe and shit their pants when a guy who does lift and weighs 30 pounds more tries their martial art and kicks their asses with no experience.
>*hits you with a double leg and demolishes you on the ground*
heh nothing personnel kiddo
more like double gay
You know you can do both JJ and lifting right?
Plenty of people do too. Talking about lifting and then doing stand up is fun.
>then doing stand up is fun
tell us a joke then, funny man
you know you can lift do BJJ and muay thai right?
You won't get big doing martial arts and lifting, you burn to many calories to put on serious muscle.
I used to do martial arts and I learned that guys who are TOO big and TOO muscular more than likely can't fight and have shit cardio.
I'm more wary around skinny guys out in public than I am big muscled dudes.
There's exceptions, some big guys who do tons of cardio and mma, but that's rare.
>I used to do martial arts and I learned that guys who are TOO big and TOO muscular more than likely can't fight and have shit cardio.
Big, fricking MEME.
Big muscle guys have the advantage in the clinch/standing grappling, because they can just muscle you down, but standing striking, any one who knows what they are doing can run circles around them and once you are on the ground anyone with BJJ technique will control the fight.
If you post the webm of some big guy sitting on someones chest I'll just laugh because that doesn't work on people with grappling training. The sit-on-chest maneuver only works on no-fighters.
>but standing striking, any one who knows what they are doing can run circles around them and once you are on the ground anyone with BJJ technique will control the fight.
Are you fricking moronic?
I would be surprised to learn that you have any martial arts training or fighting experience against a trained fighter.
I would be surprised to learn you're not hooked to a ventilator right now. Post belt if you're able to walk and talk.
Why are you personally offended that martial artists are better at fighting than body builders?
I'm just taken back by how someone can adamantly claim being big and strong would be a negative in a physical fight.
If the person is trained, being big and strong is a major plus.
If they aren't trained, and especially if they are a gym rat, they usually have low endurance muscles and bad cardio.
Boxing and wrestling is a much different exercise than lifting weights, it relies on endurance and cardio. If I see a guy who is really big and muscular I think he most likely got that way lifting weights and if he hasn't been shadow boxing and running, then his muscles will give out after a 25 seconds of throwing hay makers that I back away from or duck under.
If they stay on top of their shadow boxing and cardio, that's a different story.
>If I see a guy who is really big and muscular I think he most likely got that way lifting weights and if he hasn't been shadow boxing and running, then his muscles will give out after a 25 seconds of throwing hay makers that I back away from or duck under.
>If they do shadow boxing and cardio that's a different story
Why would a guy with big, conditioned muscles drain out from exhaustion after trying to fight for 20 seconds? That's like saying professional D1 Athletes or offensive lineman couldn't fight for more than 20 seconds.
Because a lot of big muscle guys neglect their cardio.
Your muscles change when you do cardio in that they grow more blood vessels which helps take out the acid that builds up from things like throwing punches.
If those guys haven't been doing their cardio their muscles will fill up with acid and blood and they'll be slow as a tortoise after a couple thrown haymakers.
hold on i gotta take a shit
Of course you do.
IST really is filled with no-fighter muscle tards.
actually IST is filled with no-fighter dyels but whatever
Okay so I'm back and through my time in reflection I realized what matters most in a fight is the exact thing you do to win the fight. It doesn't matter who's bigger, who's stronger, who's smaller, who's lighter, who has the most or least training, who has the most endurance or power, all of this makes no difference. If you uppercut someone or land a quick headlock throw on someone and you stop them, you won through what you did not from what you have under your belt as stated in the former.
But to humor this conversation, when was the last time you heard someone who got in a fight and lost say "Yeah, I lost because I'm really big and strong." Never, because it's a non-sequitur. It makes no fricking sense whatsoever.
Why would a weightlifter 'gas out' in a fight? First of all, if he manages to land a single shot or grabs a hold of the guy he's going to just wreck the shit out of them 9 times out of 10. If the guy does his little run-around trick (whatever the frick that is) why would the weightlifter follow him and try to swing around at him? If he lands one, 1 fricking tag on him it's going to be like a bear swiping at him. He has more power and can produce a greater amount of it in a shorter time which usually determines the victor in a physical situation (I.e. the thing they did to win like throw a punch or throw).
I'll let someone else answer you, I gotta go take a shit.
kk
>any one who knows what they are doing can run circles around them
Someone has watched too much anime.
Someone who has been training a striking and grappling martial art for 4-6 hours a week every week for a year is virtually guaranteed to win any fight they get in unless the other guy has a 100lb weight advantage.
If you do boxing, judo and BJJ for a year you will be invincible in hand to hand fights with no weapons on the street to most everyone who would fight you.
I disagree
Change that to muai tai, BJJ and wrestling and I agree
>The sit-on-chest maneuver only works on no-fighters.
Wrong. High mount is the hardest position to get out of and if it's someone heavy, it's likely over unless you're some black belt maybe
In the world of the "combat sports" wankers there are only MMA guys and non-MMA guys (or non-BJJ guys or whatever).
You can recognise the moronation immediately because they never talk about grades of skill excepting perhaps for their homosexual useless belt systems which have no real world application.
It's always "if you fight an MMA guy then..."
They never qualify whether that means a full time pro or some skinny runt doing an hour a week meaning most likely they're the latter.
>I used to do martial arts and I learned that guys who are TOO big and TOO muscular more than likely can't fight and have shit cardio.
The cope.
I'm sure this is why they have weight divisions in combat sports.
To protect the big guys from being destroyed by the little guys.
big guys who train in mma are not the same as joe blow on the street how got big from lifting weights 3 times a week and binge eating.
Most people don't train mma.
Also the average 6'2 250lb dude on the street is not a in the same league as division one football athlete so I don't know why people in this thread keep thinking random fat dudes and body builders have as good of cardio as elite athletes do.
It's Judo.
judu is the gayest of all the karates except for BJJ which is basically karate for hispanics not chinks
>Head and arm throw
What are you, a woman? A jv wrestler?
I train obliques too homosexual
>yfw you're holding yourself upside down because you tried to do some homosexual flip and I don't even notice you're there
how do i get powerlifters to wrestle me, bros?
they all laugh when i challenge them to a fight and then lay on my back and throw my ankles up.
>*uses strong core to stop you from leveraging*
>*deadlifts you into space*
LIGHTWEIGHT BABY
why are karategays so insecure they have to make threads here all day long about how they can kick a bodybuilder's ass?
This is not sane behavior.
They are clearly coping. They get mogged by a guy that does some form of strength training + martial arts. Strength + weight matters just as much as technique
>Nice black belt bro
>*Kettlebell swings you by your nuts*
nice shoes, make any for men?
sure you can beat me up with your karate or whatever but what will you do when i playfully overhead press your gf and now she keeps thinking of me while you're fricking her?
>sinks in the double underhooks and laterals you with your own momentum
not my problem
>I have a Black personbelt in...
I crush your windpipe with my bare hands in under a second.
i just 360 and 40yd dash out of there. now what are you gonna do?
Why do people think martial artists don't lift?
You don't get strong just by punching a bag or by throwing people around
Because serious martial arts training is so calorie intensive and hard on your body that you can't build muscle and weight lift and train mma at the same time.
>throwing people doesn't make you stronger
Because DYELs like that other moron that responded to you first do not lift and then seethe and shit their pants when a guy who does lift and weighs 30 pounds more tries their martial art and kicks their asses with no experience.
Ouch
>Why wont girls date me?!
>Don't they know I could beat up Chad in a fight!?
>Is it the gi!?
>They're not pajamas!!