now that strenght training has been established as a meme, why bother ever benching/OHPing with a barbell instead of dumbbells?
now that strenght training has been established as a meme, why bother ever benching/OHPing with a barbell instead of dumbbells?
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Don't do barbell OHP or barbell bench unless you enjoy it. If you enjoy dumbbells more, do that.
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why is there no mage with number 66
im killing myself
because you can exhaust your large muscle groups quickly and then do hypertrophy
but lifting for aesthetics is gay as frick, I lift for functionality.
Pick up big rock, put down big rock. Simple as.
>because you can exhaust your large muscle groups quickly and then do hypertrophy
why would you fatigue your muscles for suboptimal hypertrophy?
>but lifting for aesthetics is gay as frick, I lift for functionality.
that's a moronic outlook
>that's a moronic outlook
He's right though.
>why would you fatigue your muscles for suboptimal hypertrophy?
for optimal hypertrophy
Home. Shut up. You can do 8-10 sets before you lose on hypertrophy. It's just a steep Cutoff for gains after 6 sets. 60%-80% 3RM of course.
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dubs = pick any mage you want
>strenght training has been established as a meme
Yeah, maybe to DYEL zoomers who think strength doesn't matter. When you grow up, you'll realise there's no substitute for raw strength.
strength matter because after a certain age everything diminishes, even with trt
Machines
>Doesn't work stabilizers
>Only major muscle groups
>Have to share equipment with women
Barbell
>Works stabilizers well
>Works major muscle groups well
>Easy to progressively overload
Dumbbell
>Works stabilizers a lot
>Works major muscle groups well, but not as effectively as barbells
>Hard to progressively overload
>Only go up to 90lbs at most gyms
I think there is a balance to be found between all of them. But Barbell training is simply the most practical, and if you had to choose one it is the most balanced. I don't even see how you would squat or deadlift a lot without a barbell.
Even Mark Rippetoe isn't against Dumbbells once you get to late intermediate training, they are the best way to train stabilizers, but that's about it.
To put it another way. The limiting factor when using machines is raw strength. The limiting factor when using Dumbbells is stabilizers. But compound Barbell movements require both stabilizers and the major muscle groups to be done effectively.
>stabilizers
You do understand that "stabilizers" aren't real, right? You understand it's a neurological adaptation just like strength training is?
>biceps, traps, rhomboids, rear delts dont exist
Black person
If you isolated every single one of these without free weights and then tried to OHP or bench press, you'd have the same fricking problem. "Stabilizing" is a neurological adaptation like balancing. Otherwise everyone would be incorporating bosu balls in their lifts.
And you are all moronic Black folk who have some research to do.
Even if it was purely neurological. That doesn't actually change anything about my statement. Machines don't get you ready for natural human movement. Barbells and Dumbbells do. Whether that's due to a neurological adaptation or a muscular change doesn't matter. Although I think it is both. It's well known during movement your opposing muscles contract to maintain stability, try benching with a torn bicep.
It only matters if you're strength training. If you're training for size, the muscles used in stabilization aren't worked enough to stimulate growth. This is why bodybuilders isolate in the first place.
You can theoretically get big on machines only, but I personally like using dumbbells and depending on the gym they might not have machines that will cover every muscle group.
Do you exist in the real world? If yes, then your ability to do natural human movement matters.
Bodybuilders are gay morons who cares what they do.
lol lemme know when you ever have to wrap your hand around a narrow bar and push it to accomplish something in this "real world" you speak of.
Meanwhile I'll stick to machine isolations and smash 9s, while you stay a fat frick muttering about "muh functional strength" when you get rejected by downies and Black folk.
Cope harder weakling
lol knew you were fat
called it. You're probably some kind of mutt, too
>wrap your hand around a narrow bar
Muscles are motor units.
>he needs unnaturally large muscles to get women
You were never going to make it, lets be honest.
>unnaturally large
lol
lmao even
Enjoy your 30+ used up slags with "good personalities", fatty.
If I can Bench Press 315, Squat 405, and Deadlift 495, then my muscles will be the correct anatomical size, and I, and any women in the world, will be happy with them.
It's as simple as that. Spiritually homosexual bodybuilders can cope about it online, I don't really care that you are too mentally weak to lift heavy weights.
The idea that only fat people can lift heavy weights, is also a cope. You're weak because you're a mentally weak person, that's really all there is to it.
>muh big three
Okay, you obese Tyrannosaurus. Enjoy slamming guttertrash to the end of your days, I don't care.
>no you can't care about important things, you need to be vain like a woman, you need to be homosexual like me
frick off weak homosexual
I have a question. Do you think the muscles in your upper back work during an overhead press and bench press? If you answered yes, then what do you suppose their purpose is? If you answered no, then you have some research to do.
If someone is strong as frick on barbell or dumbbell bench, they will be strong as frick at any machine press.
The reverse isn't true, and you are moronic.
> given $FALSE_PREMISE, why $TRUTH
Why must this be every thread on this board?
maybe you should state your goals first. as you are on IST I will assume you are a noodle arm zoomer whose only reason to go to the gym is to pick up girls. In that case, I think you should just stay home and don't bother doing either and come back when you find a real reason to go to the gym.
The redpill that IST isn't ready for is the fact that DBs don't necessarily give you more ROM on bench and OHP, in fact once you get strong enough they actually reduce ROM due to how big the dumbbells get. Yes you can fix this by using a neutral grip and going wide so they don't hit your torso, but is anybody on here actually doing this? Probably not.
>y-you're not doing it either!
I'm a ringpilled chad, my presses are either with a barbell or on rings. Easy fix
well yeah, there's no reason to fall into powershitter dogma of squat / bench / deadlift
use whatever fits your needs
>strenght training has been established as a meme,
strenght training still works for me moron
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