>Last time I took it I woke up naked between dumpsters in Bukarest without any recollection of the past 3 days. >But my deadlift went up a bit.
I remember you. Ever wondered why you woke up with a sore butthole
One trash quality study of like n=8 on some football players found this and its correlations have never been repeated in any other higher quality study.
Creatine is the most studied sports supp on earth and there is 0 real data that connects it to hair loss
>its correlations have never been repeated in any other higher quality study.
can you link me to these other high quality studies of creatine and hair loss?
I'm honestly not sold either way on the hairloss meme, people will tell you it's safe but completely ignore posts like this while doing so
For "the most studied supplement on earth" there sure seems to be nobody interested in actually putting the single BIGGEST concern people have about creatine to rest. I've watched recent interviews with "experts" about it and the best they can say is "maybe, probably not, but we don't actually know for sure" which clearly isn't good enough given how much people care about their hair.
If it really was safe for hairlines you'd think the multimillion dollar creatine industry would fricking prove it so they can definitively claim there is no reason not to take it. Not doing that is a big red flag.
Obviously it being "true" would be that it increases DHT to levels that make people who are predisposed to hairloss accelerate that hairloss to unacceptable levels.
Given that pretty much every hairloss preventative works by reducing DHT levels all they need to do is prove that creatine does not significantly move DHT levels and I've yet to see anyone prove that. Even if the rugby study was bogus it's done enough damage to warrant proving once and for all the effects that creatine has on DHT.
Anyone saying it flat out causes hairloss regardless of the individual's genetics for MPB is obviously moronic
10 months ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic creatine is just a phosphate and acts on those enyzmatic pathways, it isnt a hormone like dht. Creatine just slightly increases explosive energy for maybe 1to3 seconds more and hydrates the cells better.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>it isnt a hormone like dht
No shit but just because something isn't a hormone doesn't mean it can't affect your hormone levels.
The point is the single biggest concern with creatine is if it affects your DHT levels. In fact it's literally the only reason anyone could possibly have to NOT take creatine given that it's otherwise a wondersupplement. Why has literally nobody made any effort to debunk this? Like I said, even the leading creatine shills say "we dunno lol" when asked if it increases the rate of hair loss.
If someone simply proved it once and for all then it would be a massive selling point and any study would easily pay for itself tenfold, but they haven't and this is a massive red flag.
10 months ago
Anonymous
One rugby study that said it increases dht is enough for you to completely disregard it? Btw dht is good for muscle growth you moron.
10 months ago
Anonymous
1 study
vs
0 studys >completely disregard
See:
I'm honestly not sold either way on the hairloss meme, people will tell you it's safe but completely ignore posts like this while doing so
For "the most studied supplement on earth" there sure seems to be nobody interested in actually putting the single BIGGEST concern people have about creatine to rest. I've watched recent interviews with "experts" about it and the best they can say is "maybe, probably not, but we don't actually know for sure" which clearly isn't good enough given how much people care about their hair.
If it really was safe for hairlines you'd think the multimillion dollar creatine industry would fricking prove it so they can definitively claim there is no reason not to take it. Not doing that is a big red flag.
>I'm honestly not sold either way on the hairloss meme
I just want one fricking study debooking the one negative of creatine. I'm not shilling against creatine, I'm pleading with it's shills to give me something to work with and I'm getting nothing but noise. >Btw dht is good for muscle growth you moron
Yeah which is why I don't nuke my natural DHT levels with fin or minoxidil. I have more than enough DHT for muscle growth, I don't need to skyrocket it and go bald a decade earlier you fricking moron.
This is a major concern for many people, the only seemingly legitimate concern about creatine, and big creatine money has made no effort to alleviate it and make even more money.
I found one study that was supposed to do this, projected results for 2021/2022. Where are the results? I can't find em. Not posted on the website advertising the study. Guessing they weren't too favourable sadly.
I'd love to be corrected on this but when you morons give me "w-whatabout the good side effects of having crazy high DHT". If that's how you think then just take steroids, shave your head and frick off. Otherwise give me studies that show that creatine does not increase DHT.
Anon, I doubt that chink labs that mass-produce cheap supplements will be paying for any kind of research, especially not for defending just another chemical.
supplement companies make $45 billion a year in the US alone. If creatine makes you bigger and doesn't make you bald that would be worth doing the study for Optimum Nutrition alone.
10 months ago
Anonymous
There are studies moron did you try looking for them first? Take your ass to pubMed and report back
10 months ago
Anonymous
Post literally one. Creatine shills have been thusfar unable to do so.
The main reason studies on hair loss isn't done is because it would be extremely difficult to make that correlation, especially since it would be like a 10 year long study where the subjects would have to consistently take it every day and check in. Its just not a worthwhile study that anyone is willing to fund
>The main reason studies on hair loss isn't done is because it would be extremely difficult to make that correlation
It doesn't have to have anything to do with directly studying hairloss. It literally just has to focus on DHT levels which can easily be tracked over months or even a year.
We know that DHT is responsible for hairloss in people with MPB.
We know that reducing DHT levels via finasteride or minoxidil will slow/prevent hairloss.
We have one rugby study that shows creatine increases DHT levels anywhere from 22-56%.
All we need to see is reliable studies that show that creatine does not increase conversion of test into DHT or increase the DHT to test ratio but nobody is fricking doing it. Creatine shills will shit on the study but never give any fricking counterargument.
I need PROOF that creatine doesn't increase DHT levels otherwise it is a safe nad logical assumption that it will accelarate balding.
The main reason studies on hair loss isn't done is because it would be extremely difficult to make that correlation, especially since it would be like a 10 year long study where the subjects would have to consistently take it every day and check in. Its just not a worthwhile study that anyone is willing to fund
Black person i mean it taste like you are swallowing sand, i do dry scoop it.
Naked creatine is half the price of ON right now on amazon.
5g or 1 tsp a day, regardless of workout. No loads or cycling required. Toss it in anything as it has no flavor. It doesn't mix well in most things so be prepared to remix as you drink if you aren't chugging
i have bought the ON one before and it doesnt come with a 5g scoop so imo just buy another brand its all the same shit anyways
I understand it is supposed to increase your muscle output but does that even affect progress? Are you gonna grow any faster because you maxed out at 10 reps instead of 9 reps?
Whats your hair going to do when gigachuds smashing your pretty boy face in homosexual ? Hows your fringe going to protect you from having your homosexual face caved in huh ?
Naked creatine is half the price of ON right now on amazon.
5g or 1 tsp a day, regardless of workout. No loads or cycling required. Toss it in anything as it has no flavor. It doesn't mix well in most things so be prepared to remix as you drink if you aren't chugging
>Creatine consumption increases DHT levels >high DHT levels have been linked to hair loss >no real counter-study has been released by any billion dollar supplement company about creatine and balding
Take that as you will and this is coming from someone with thinning hair and recently purchased creatine from Amazon
>be me >buy creatine >google how to take it >you need to take 20g for loading phase >ok bet >took all 20g at once on an empty stomach right after waking up >shit myself at work
If you didn't shit it out afterwards, would taking 20g all at once actually work for loading, or does it need to be taken throughout the day like in 5g increments?
Idk maybe. You don't have to load. You can take 5g a day and you'll saturate, it'll just take a couple extra weeks. Also you probably don't need to take 5g even. You probably could saturate and maintain at 3g or maybe less depending on your diet
kinda of a meme. if you eat red meat in your diet you get enough creatine as it is. I took these pills for about a month or two and didn't really see an improvement performance wise. it just made me a little heavier due to water retention. Sleep, eating whole foods, and exercise is all you need.
It's not roids, the results will be on an individual level not really perceptible, but the science that looks at large groups and tracks them with objective measures shows a small but significant benefit. For instance you won't really notice a difference pre and post taking omega 3s but the science says it does provide benefits. Same with something like antioxidant rich food.
No worries about not taking it but if you can afford the small price of creatine there is essentially no reason not to.
"The only reproducible side effects that have been consistently observed are weight gain (a potential 1 kg to 2 kg increase after creatine loading), primarily as a result of water retention, and decreased urine output (11,12)."
It works. It will add like 2-4 reps to every set or increased weight. That being said it's totally unnecessary and you need to drink an obscene amount of water.
Last time I took it I woke up naked between dumpsters in Bukarest without any recollection of the past 3 days.
But my deadlift went up a bit.
>Last time I took it I woke up naked between dumpsters in Bukarest without any recollection of the past 3 days.
>But my deadlift went up a bit.
I remember you. Ever wondered why you woke up with a sore butthole
Not worth it rapes ur hairline harder than mild test cycles
One trash quality study of like n=8 on some football players found this and its correlations have never been repeated in any other higher quality study.
Creatine is the most studied sports supp on earth and there is 0 real data that connects it to hair loss
creatine shill detected
>its correlations have never been repeated in any other higher quality study.
can you link me to these other high quality studies of creatine and hair loss?
I'm honestly not sold either way on the hairloss meme, people will tell you it's safe but completely ignore posts like this while doing so
For "the most studied supplement on earth" there sure seems to be nobody interested in actually putting the single BIGGEST concern people have about creatine to rest. I've watched recent interviews with "experts" about it and the best they can say is "maybe, probably not, but we don't actually know for sure" which clearly isn't good enough given how much people care about their hair.
If it really was safe for hairlines you'd think the multimillion dollar creatine industry would fricking prove it so they can definitively claim there is no reason not to take it. Not doing that is a big red flag.
Don't you think if it were true basically every fitness influencer, and basically everyone in the gym would be bald?
Obviously it being "true" would be that it increases DHT to levels that make people who are predisposed to hairloss accelerate that hairloss to unacceptable levels.
Given that pretty much every hairloss preventative works by reducing DHT levels all they need to do is prove that creatine does not significantly move DHT levels and I've yet to see anyone prove that. Even if the rugby study was bogus it's done enough damage to warrant proving once and for all the effects that creatine has on DHT.
Anyone saying it flat out causes hairloss regardless of the individual's genetics for MPB is obviously moronic
Are you moronic creatine is just a phosphate and acts on those enyzmatic pathways, it isnt a hormone like dht. Creatine just slightly increases explosive energy for maybe 1to3 seconds more and hydrates the cells better.
>it isnt a hormone like dht
No shit but just because something isn't a hormone doesn't mean it can't affect your hormone levels.
The point is the single biggest concern with creatine is if it affects your DHT levels. In fact it's literally the only reason anyone could possibly have to NOT take creatine given that it's otherwise a wondersupplement. Why has literally nobody made any effort to debunk this? Like I said, even the leading creatine shills say "we dunno lol" when asked if it increases the rate of hair loss.
If someone simply proved it once and for all then it would be a massive selling point and any study would easily pay for itself tenfold, but they haven't and this is a massive red flag.
One rugby study that said it increases dht is enough for you to completely disregard it? Btw dht is good for muscle growth you moron.
1 study
vs
0 studys
>completely disregard
See:
>I'm honestly not sold either way on the hairloss meme
I just want one fricking study debooking the one negative of creatine. I'm not shilling against creatine, I'm pleading with it's shills to give me something to work with and I'm getting nothing but noise.
>Btw dht is good for muscle growth you moron
Yeah which is why I don't nuke my natural DHT levels with fin or minoxidil. I have more than enough DHT for muscle growth, I don't need to skyrocket it and go bald a decade earlier you fricking moron.
This is a major concern for many people, the only seemingly legitimate concern about creatine, and big creatine money has made no effort to alleviate it and make even more money.
I found one study that was supposed to do this, projected results for 2021/2022. Where are the results? I can't find em. Not posted on the website advertising the study. Guessing they weren't too favourable sadly.
I'd love to be corrected on this but when you morons give me "w-whatabout the good side effects of having crazy high DHT". If that's how you think then just take steroids, shave your head and frick off. Otherwise give me studies that show that creatine does not increase DHT.
Anon, I doubt that chink labs that mass-produce cheap supplements will be paying for any kind of research, especially not for defending just another chemical.
supplement companies make $45 billion a year in the US alone. If creatine makes you bigger and doesn't make you bald that would be worth doing the study for Optimum Nutrition alone.
There are studies moron did you try looking for them first? Take your ass to pubMed and report back
Post literally one. Creatine shills have been thusfar unable to do so.
>ctrl-F "DHT"
>0 results found
>The main reason studies on hair loss isn't done is because it would be extremely difficult to make that correlation
It doesn't have to have anything to do with directly studying hairloss. It literally just has to focus on DHT levels which can easily be tracked over months or even a year.
We know that DHT is responsible for hairloss in people with MPB.
We know that reducing DHT levels via finasteride or minoxidil will slow/prevent hairloss.
We have one rugby study that shows creatine increases DHT levels anywhere from 22-56%.
All we need to see is reliable studies that show that creatine does not increase conversion of test into DHT or increase the DHT to test ratio but nobody is fricking doing it. Creatine shills will shit on the study but never give any fricking counterargument.
I need PROOF that creatine doesn't increase DHT levels otherwise it is a safe nad logical assumption that it will accelarate balding.
The main reason studies on hair loss isn't done is because it would be extremely difficult to make that correlation, especially since it would be like a 10 year long study where the subjects would have to consistently take it every day and check in. Its just not a worthwhile study that anyone is willing to fund
lifting rapes your hairline way more than creatine
>friend keeps telling on how many gains im missing out by not taking creatine
>took a trip to Turkey half a year ago
It's the trenbolone of protein.
>of protein.
decent energy increase, taste like absolute shit and makes u piss a lot
It has zero taste moron, you just dry scoop it
Black person i mean it taste like you are swallowing sand, i do dry scoop it.
i have bought the ON one before and it doesnt come with a 5g scoop so imo just buy another brand its all the same shit anyways
>it doesn't come with a 5g scoop
5g is a teaspoon you fricking brainlet. It doesn't need to come prepackaged with a scoop.
Most brands come with a scoop DYEL. Makes you life easier
>makes your life easier
Maybe if you're a literal moron. Pick up a teaspoon and use it you dumb homosexual.
>DYEL
project harder
Its made me shit liquid when I first started with it.
good stuff, but don't preload because it will bloat your face.
I understand it is supposed to increase your muscle output but does that even affect progress? Are you gonna grow any faster because you maxed out at 10 reps instead of 9 reps?
>are you going to progress more from more work
"Work" isn't what triggers hypertrophy moron
I thought it caused more water retention in muscles giving you pseudogains
Muscles are over 70% water, moron.
>YES CREATINE GAVE ME 5% EXTRA GAINS!
>All I had to pay for it was an inch off my hairline!
Whats your hair going to do when gigachuds smashing your pretty boy face in homosexual ? Hows your fringe going to protect you from having your homosexual face caved in huh ?
Creatine makes you bloated, and you shrink once you stop taking it. That is all.
Naked creatine is half the price of ON right now on amazon.
5g or 1 tsp a day, regardless of workout. No loads or cycling required. Toss it in anything as it has no flavor. It doesn't mix well in most things so be prepared to remix as you drink if you aren't chugging
>Creatine consumption increases DHT levels
>high DHT levels have been linked to hair loss
>no real counter-study has been released by any billion dollar supplement company about creatine and balding
Take that as you will and this is coming from someone with thinning hair and recently purchased creatine from Amazon
Get better genes
Been taking creatine for years and still have thick luscious hair
Post hair
Makes you go bald
>be me
>buy creatine
>google how to take it
>you need to take 20g for loading phase
>ok bet
>took all 20g at once on an empty stomach right after waking up
>shit myself at work
If you didn't shit it out afterwards, would taking 20g all at once actually work for loading, or does it need to be taken throughout the day like in 5g increments?
Idk maybe. You don't have to load. You can take 5g a day and you'll saturate, it'll just take a couple extra weeks. Also you probably don't need to take 5g even. You probably could saturate and maintain at 3g or maybe less depending on your diet
For me it’s useless.
Took it for literal years then just stopped and never noticed a difference..
Not even once
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10180745/
>ctrl + f "hair"
>0 results found
Bald?
In theory its supposed to help with recovery between sets. In practice, its shown to increase IQ in several studies
https://journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/Fulltext/2021/07000/Creatine_Supplementation__An_Update.3.aspx
kinda of a meme. if you eat red meat in your diet you get enough creatine as it is. I took these pills for about a month or two and didn't really see an improvement performance wise. it just made me a little heavier due to water retention. Sleep, eating whole foods, and exercise is all you need.
It's not roids, the results will be on an individual level not really perceptible, but the science that looks at large groups and tracks them with objective measures shows a small but significant benefit. For instance you won't really notice a difference pre and post taking omega 3s but the science says it does provide benefits. Same with something like antioxidant rich food.
No worries about not taking it but if you can afford the small price of creatine there is essentially no reason not to.
"The only reproducible side effects that have been consistently observed are weight gain (a potential 1 kg to 2 kg increase after creatine loading), primarily as a result of water retention, and decreased urine output (11,12)."
Can we please stop feeding into the balding myth
My preworkout from ON comes with 3000mg of creatine per serving, so I just take that.
seriously homies where did this "creatine hairline" meme came from? f tier troll attempt in my opinion for IST board standards
ruins my skin
It works. It will add like 2-4 reps to every set or increased weight. That being said it's totally unnecessary and you need to drink an obscene amount of water.