is training TOO hard counter productive? are my 2.5 hour gym workouts of 8-10 sets of heavy compounds followed by 10 sets of accessory then a roon 4x a week actually inflammatory? i eat and sleep well but it is in fact pretty damn draining and some days i have trouble sleeping well and my entire body feels aching and "inflamed"
or does this only apply to roidtroonys?
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Roiders can train that much because the roids aid their recovery.
You are doing way too much volume and it's hindering your progress, I can guarantee you that.
idk i gained ~15 lbs in pretty lean mass in <2 months. but most of it was muscle memory. i used to train 2x as much volume and intensiity for 9 yrs age 17-26 and took last 4 yrs off focusing on career. this is like 70% of what i used to do and i am recovering ok. every week gets easier and my lifts are going up fast. i spend a lot of time foam rolling, lacrosse ball, eating a very good diet . occasionally i take 2 days off in a row to rest
should be oky right? worried about inflammation and heart and artery shit. some ppl on this board are saying too much can be actually damaging to arteries and heart
Pretty sure I've seen you post about this before. You're the guy who did wrestling and weightlifting in college, right? Overtraining is pretty much a non-issue, especially if you were training hard as a youth. Just don't get injured and listen to your body - I assume you have decent body awareness given your background.
>some ppl on this board are saying too much can be actually damaging to arteries and heart
Most people on this board are unathletic morons, and espouse nonsense to cope with being lazy homosexuals.
Yeah that’s me. On week 3.5 of this and it’s getting easier. No more crippling soreness and ive integrated a lot more self deep tissue work. Its really revealing imbalances i developed from office work in my left mid back, left adductors, left piriformus, left serratus. All those are worked on daily and 80% better. Next step is releasing this tight af right hamstring yanking on my low back.
Sorry to remake this thread you caught me lol. But reading up on the latest sport science and troony deaths freak me out a bit got me second guessing myself.
>Just don't get injured and listen to your body
will do . Listening very carefully. Thanks for the advice brother.
I watched some house of hypertrophy videos and read up on concurrent interference and have significantly reduced my rooning volume. Some days im too beat and do a lvl15 incline walk on 3.6 for just 10-20mins. Otherdays skip cardio all together. Im very autistic too and want to max ALL MY STATS at once. But
> All exercise recovery effort draws from the same pool.
Is a nice perspective . Definitely don’t have the recovery pool as when i was 22 . I’ve toned down my volume as per advice from last post too. And from what i learned from HoH videos about reaching the end curve fibers stimulation to trigger growth, probably better to cut volume a bit more. Again like you said gotta feel it out as i go.
Thanks for the advice bros
I'm a near elite level athlete. Only signs of overtraining I've ever seen are tendons aching
Overtraining is a state akin to being injured. Normal people can't really push themselves hard enough - especially without external factors like a coach and a team.
You can be training too much though, but it doesn't sound like you are. It sounds like you're just training hard.
Deluded
this is a dumb fricking meme that pushes regular people into overtraining, not its most extreme form, but still a state that no one wishes for nevertheless
You're blasting gear so why do you care
i'm not lol im natty. gear is obviously bad for you. im wondering if training like this is harmful long term
>is training TOO hard counter productive?
It could be, if you don't recover in time for the next workout.
If you want to max hypertrophy, your rooning is counter productive. All exercise recovery effort draws from the same pool. So running hinders your lift recovery. Ofc running has its own benefits. What you can do instead is a low intensity cardio like walking.
Muscle growth is triggered by the nervous system as a reaction to mechanical tension in the muscle. Tension is a function of intensity and volume. So volume isn’t bad but it has diminishing returns.
Overtraining can come from both intensity and volume
I have always noticed it as an increase of wear and tear issues, general physical and mental fatigue and a lack of progress in my lifts. How much you can train is very dependent on your genetics. People like Arnold or jay cutler thrived on high volume, the same volume gave others overtraining.
So no anon here can tell you for sure but you have a pretty intense program
I suggest you stop for a week then reduce things and see how it goes.
I spent 5 years in constant overtraining to the point where I gave up lifting. Some of us are lazy, some of us are overambitious and autistic with their training. But you need to find the ideal path to follow. Not too much not too little. Be brave in doing less
> Be brave in doing less
Probably sums up my biggest training weakness actually
The definition of overtraining is when it causes you to stop progressing or start regressing. If that's happening then yes you're probably overtraining, if not then no. Just feeling shitty and run down doesn't mean you're overtrained, although it is a common indicator.
Interesting take. I log my workouts and monitor my sleep closely . Still moving forward. Might move a bit faster if i tweak my load back by another 10% and recover faster
It's super easy to overtrain as a natty if you're legit strong and have average genetics. This is becoming more and more known after years of denialism and gaslighting everyone that only pro athletes getting the most extreme symptoms of overtraining (practically becoming handicapped) have experienced it. The truth is the optimal training amount for a drug free lifter shouldn't probably exceed two sessions a week.
Good post until your last sentence. You fix one misunderstanding but then you create another.
How so?
>The truth is the optimal training amount for a drug free lifter shouldn't probably exceed two sessions a week.
^ this is just not true
Sure (to high) volume training has been pushed, but going all the other way is not right either.
2 (intense) sessions a week feel just right for me, I don't waste time by doing low-stimulus sessions, make progress and most importantly spare my joints, don't feel like I'm overreaching and don't feel overworked. I couldn't possibly justify adding another workout to this routine, I'd have to trade in intensity and invest more time for possibly nothing in return (apart from the increased injury risk).
What does your sessions look like?
fbw A/B, 9 exercises, one set per exercise with two rest pauses and occasional supersets
2-4 sessions per week is best for natty lifters depending on your split
>muh overtraining
Most athletes train 6 times a week. I was one of them and never taken any kind of gear. Imagine thinking a whole system who is made to be as efficient as possible, who pay literal physios and doctors and trainers thousands of dollars per month really work against their own interest and some random homosexual lifter thinks he knows better.
You don't need rest days you absolute homosexuals, unless you ran some marathon or had a matchgame yesterday, you have Sundays to go to church and that's enough. If you need rest it's because you're fat.
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What do they train? Cardio?