There are people on both sides of that, that will lift for 2-3 years and still look dyel then come here going insane because they don't understand why they look like shit.
ngl I made pretty notable gains lifting a lot and eating whatever I want as long as I ate a decentish meat portion a day. Big enough that people point it out to me. I moved on to eating right for quite a while and it made no more difference to how much people point it out. once you surpass a certain point of muscle people just get used to you being muscular and then there is no more mire gains to be had until you roid
Yeah im like that. I personally dont pay attention to numbers i just eat what looks like it would be a somewhat healthy and balanced diet and go to the gym and lift whatever weight feels like i should do. Seems to be doing good enough for me so far
Pretty much. A lot of people want to get things perfect right from the get go, but like anything you're going to make mistakes and you'll have to adopt any plan to suite your own needs, strengths, and weaknesses. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that. Like once I started lifting it became immediately clear that my biggest issues were consistency and just not eating enough but you can't know that going into it.
This can definitely happen but it's a lot easier to correct than the person who's caught in analysis paralysis for too long to build a habit. Like if someone is already eating right and going to the gym 3-4 times a week it's a lot easier to just get them to do the right exercises and drink a protein shake than it is to get someone to start going to the gym and eating right consistently. So even then it's not a total waste.
moronic image because of what
said. Plenty of people do not know what the frick they're doing and "just lift" but never get anywhere because, again, they don't know what the frick they're doing.
Pretty much. A lot of people want to get things perfect right from the get go, but like anything you're going to make mistakes and you'll have to adopt any plan to suite your own needs, strengths, and weaknesses. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that. Like once I started lifting it became immediately clear that my biggest issues were consistency and just not eating enough but you can't know that going into it.
This can definitely happen but it's a lot easier to correct than the person who's caught in analysis paralysis for too long to build a habit. Like if someone is already eating right and going to the gym 3-4 times a week it's a lot easier to just get them to do the right exercises and drink a protein shake than it is to get someone to start going to the gym and eating right consistently. So even then it's not a total waste.
There is also less of a need for correction if you just give people directions from the outset instead of relying on trial and error.
Happened me for 4 years. I never ate enough and when i did i trained too much because i followed the "YOU DO NOT TRAIN HARD ENOUGH" advice and "NATTIES AND NON ATHLETES WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO OVERTRAIN". I'm fricking moronic.
There are several issues with measuring your progress by comparing yourself to others (I assume that's what you meant by looking dyel):
- Pump (+creatine usage). Many people will take post gym pump pics. In fact I think these are the most common pics, you rarely see anyone here without a pump. So the issue here is if you are that one guy who will post a pic of yourself without a pump you'll look subpar. Also hypertrophy training gives you bigger pump and not everyone does that. Creatine also makes your pump bigger by increasing water retention.
- Steroids. Number one reason why you shouldn't compare your body and progress to anyone else on the internet. No way to check who's actually natty. Narcissists will lie about their natty status even on anonymous forums.
- Height. It's much easier to look wide and muscular on pictures for short guys than it is for lanky tall guys. Also it takes lots of calories to sustain a muscular body for a tall person, so that's additional challenge.
- Lighting, camera lens FOV, good angles, camera quality. Those variables affect how good you look on pics.
>used to advice people to do compounds >end up never doing compounds myself because my bullshit machine/cable routine is more fun
What did I mean by this?
>>end up never doing compounds myself because my bullshit machine/cable routine is more fun
Post body, cable isolation are ironicaly apparently great for hypertrophy. Especially of shoulders.
Those can still be compounds. Compounds doesn't mean "le barbellz only" it just means utilizing multiple joints/muscle groups per movement.
A row or press or squat on a machine is still a compound. Don't listen to the barbell autists, which I guess you haven't.
I think the part that gets overlooked here is that it takes years of lifting and becoming legit IST to have that deep understanding of the core principles and how they apply.
Especially nowadays there is an absolute information overload, and while its great for people to get off their ass and go to the gym, its easy to realize once you get there that you don't know what the frick you're doing.
This image is a prime example of the dunning Kruger effect. Given the fact that literally 94% of the gym population looks like they are untrained, or in their first 6 months, empirically and obviously, they ARE doing something wrong, as showing up everyday and moving weights isn’t enough, as the moron in the OP tries to postulate.
It’s not “just lift 4x a day bro”. In NO athletic sport is the coaching approach “just throw the ball, bro” “just kick the ball, bro” “just jump over the hurdle, bro”
Now frick off homosexual. I’d bet 5k you can’t even lift 1/2/3/4 for 5 reps (something that should be accomplished after one year of training.
In my opinion the reason people don't actually 'make it,' is because they never push past their own version of 'ok this is a lot of weight,' moment. People get lazy then just spin their wheels at the same spot forever till they give up or leave thinking they made it.
I accidentally smashed through that due to overloding a bar while sleep deprived. Almost fricking died but my new bench max was suddenly 40 lbs heavier and i found out I have more in me.
>you can’t even lift 1/2/3/4 for 5 reps (something that should be accomplished after one year of training.
nta but who says this? Some homosexuals online? You're going to judget what's valuable by what homosexuals online invented out of thin air?
My grip strength steeply declines after 3pl8s deadlift and I don't want to some day have some failure and snap my shit up forever, so why would I ever do mixed grip 4pl8 dls for reps? Because some stupid homosexual online said I should? have a nice day please.
I also don't do 3 plates squat for reps because guess what? I don't fricking want to, I don't want to mate. You're the one who's being ruled by these stupid numbers.
>Given the fact that literally 94% of the gym population looks like they are untrained, or in their first 6 months
This is probably because most people who aren't committed to lifting go through cycles where they feel out of shape, decide to lift for a little while, then either don't develop the habit or just give up because it's hard work and they're not cut out for it. You see this all the time with new years resolutions. People might get a burst of motivation and try to stick to it for a while, but then they stop. May gradually, maybe all at once, but they do. There are entire gyms who's business model is predicated on people buying memberships then just never showing up or cancelling the subscription.
Being fat or lazy is almost like having a booze problem. People try to quit but they relapse a lot more often than they actually quit. Lifting is the same, it's just a relapse into idleness.
Well anon let's consider ourselves fortunate enough to like lifting and be able to stick with it. Why does everything have to be so toxic and hateful, not saying you're being hateful but just you see it often here. I don't judge someone who has a hard time with sticking to something.
>Why does everything have to be so toxic and hateful,
Unironically, you know how you are always more mean about someone else when talking about them and they're not there? Internet has that effect for all interaction.
People know to eat less and move more to lose weight yet they still don't lose weight. Similarly, people know to get bigger muscles they need to fatigue the muscle, yet not everyone is muscular. It's not an intellectual effort, but an effort of will.
People get filtered out because they expect it to be something you just pay for the results
Why do you think fitness industry snake oil salesman get away with the amount of ridiculous shit they sell.
Why do you think gear and ozempic have become mainstream popular
People want to buy fitness not work for it
This. I don't remember the video but some youtuber did a poll about what the viewership's barbell numbers were and they were really low. I think most was like one plate bench and barely two plate squats.
Ive watched newbies asking form tips and it's just other dyels parroting things they've heard on youtube videos, not really understanding them.
entirely depends on whether you're a novice, intermediate, advanced, or anything in between. Of course nearly anything works for beginners, but the further along you are you can't pretend that not reorienting your training, diet, recovery etc isn't what's holding you back. The vast majority of gym goers are DYEL because of lack of consistency and effort if anything, early intermediate is achievable with most splits and not even maximum effort.
It's related to the phenomenon of novices coping with the natty limit as soon as they reach their first plateau of course, there is no natty limit since all plateaus are caused by the limits of your current approach to programming/recovery/diet/intensity, not anything inherint to your body but because these things have to be adapted to what works for you.
Also why it's often hard to give advice to novices, generic advice will lead to frustration in the intermediate stage when they realize that no scientific study or 'best' way of training matters if it doesn't work for them.
everyone who asks that question online are always gonna look like shit for another half a year no matter what they do, they should literally just lift.
I used to try and force myself into the gym. I hated every minute of it. Too much people, loud music, waiting for the machines, the smell, the roasties stealing plates to use as a phone stand. I tried 3 different gyms over the course of 2 years but never really made any progress.
Last year, I had the most painful breakup in my life, my dad died, etc etc, you wouldn't believe how much can drop on you all at once. I moved, switched jobs, dropped alcohol.
What I did was I started rooning/walking to a nearby OUTDOOR gym. 2 times a week, then 3 times a week, every week. In the rain, and during the winter too. Started with just pull-ups and chin-ups, now 1 year later I do hundreds of each, weighted, I do muscle-ups and I'm in the best shape in my life. It's actually great. I feel strong and I'm lean.
Sometimes you need to find a routine and a setting that fits you. I needed piece of mind, tranquility, place for myself, and a real challenge. I enjoy the functional movements and everything calisthenics has to offer. Outdoor gym was it for me. I will never ever go to a commercial gym again, and I don't care about lifting free weights that much.
My progress was built on a reverse pyramid. When I started, I could only do like 5 in total. I started adding sets on top.
5 4 3 2 1
6 5 4 3 2 1
7 6 5 4 3 2 1
When I reached 10, I started to do as many sets of 10 as I could until I reached 10x10. It's worth mentioning that I also alternate between chin-ups and pull-ups, so it was more like
5 4 3 2 1; 5 4 3 2 1
6 5 4 3 2 1; 6 5 4 3 2 1
etc.
When the numbers got ridiculous (10x10, 10x10) I started adding weight. I test my ability to do non-weighted from time to time too, currently at 22 pull-ups with a perfect form and 28 if I force myself and the form goes to shit.
Before anyone says anything about the method - I just do what I like and I honestly don't care about the best rep range or amount of sets or that you shouldn't smoke while you're doing chin-ups. Never in my life I thought I could do a single pull-up with 20 kg weight.
2-3 minutes give or take. Sometimes the weather is complete shit so I need more rest. Sometimes I finish my workout early cause I barely need rest (usually it's a sign I'm ready to progress further).
The key to long term success is to find something you enjoy, for me it's lifting heavy ass weights. I don't need to be motivated to go to the gym and usually it's the better part of my days.
The gym you go to matters a lot, I used to lift at a weightlifting / powerlifting gym but recently moved and had to switch to a normie commercial gym and the general atmosphere is a night and day difference.
More serious lifters of every strength level, no music at all, only sounds were people chatting and clanking of plates, really respectful and supportive people. People took care of the equipment. Coaches who were actually accomplished instead of week end course personal trainers who know very little about movement and programming.
200kg squat wasn't a big deal there, in a normie commercial gym I feel like the entire gym is staring at me doing it for reps.
No thots distracting you either, there were women but they weren't dressing up like prostitutes. Most people wore sweat pants and an old shitty t-shirt.
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>200kg squat wasn't a big deal there, in a normie commercial gym I feel like the entire gym is staring at me doing it for reps.
No wonder, I haven't ever seen that in the wild either.
Happened me for 4 years. I never ate enough and when i did i trained too much because i followed the "YOU DO NOT TRAIN HARD ENOUGH" advice and "NATTIES AND NON ATHLETES WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO OVERTRAIN". I'm fricking moronic.
There are people on both sides of that, that will lift for 2-3 years and still look dyel then come here going insane because they don't understand why they look like shit.
Kek, I'm in the same boat. I have only recently found that taking every set to failure might not be ideal.
There are people on both sides of that, that will lift for 2-3 years and still look dyel then come here going insane because they don't understand why they look like shit.
There are but the overcomplicating side is worse. You will be get results as long as you are consistent, patient and don't eat horribly.
ngl I made pretty notable gains lifting a lot and eating whatever I want as long as I ate a decentish meat portion a day. Big enough that people point it out to me. I moved on to eating right for quite a while and it made no more difference to how much people point it out. once you surpass a certain point of muscle people just get used to you being muscular and then there is no more mire gains to be had until you roid
>a decentish meat portion a day
Like 500g?
That's the thing about it
I dont frickin know
Yeah im like that. I personally dont pay attention to numbers i just eat what looks like it would be a somewhat healthy and balanced diet and go to the gym and lift whatever weight feels like i should do. Seems to be doing good enough for me so far
Pretty much. A lot of people want to get things perfect right from the get go, but like anything you're going to make mistakes and you'll have to adopt any plan to suite your own needs, strengths, and weaknesses. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that. Like once I started lifting it became immediately clear that my biggest issues were consistency and just not eating enough but you can't know that going into it.
This can definitely happen but it's a lot easier to correct than the person who's caught in analysis paralysis for too long to build a habit. Like if someone is already eating right and going to the gym 3-4 times a week it's a lot easier to just get them to do the right exercises and drink a protein shake than it is to get someone to start going to the gym and eating right consistently. So even then it's not a total waste.
moronic image because of what
said. Plenty of people do not know what the frick they're doing and "just lift" but never get anywhere because, again, they don't know what the frick they're doing.
There is also less of a need for correction if you just give people directions from the outset instead of relying on trial and error.
I think the most common problem is that they're overzealous and don't rest enough.
Happened me for 4 years. I never ate enough and when i did i trained too much because i followed the "YOU DO NOT TRAIN HARD ENOUGH" advice and "NATTIES AND NON ATHLETES WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO OVERTRAIN". I'm fricking moronic.
>NATTIES AND NON ATHLETES WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO OVERTRAIN
why do tren tards push this so much? is it a social media thing
There are several issues with measuring your progress by comparing yourself to others (I assume that's what you meant by looking dyel):
- Pump (+creatine usage). Many people will take post gym pump pics. In fact I think these are the most common pics, you rarely see anyone here without a pump. So the issue here is if you are that one guy who will post a pic of yourself without a pump you'll look subpar. Also hypertrophy training gives you bigger pump and not everyone does that. Creatine also makes your pump bigger by increasing water retention.
- Steroids. Number one reason why you shouldn't compare your body and progress to anyone else on the internet. No way to check who's actually natty. Narcissists will lie about their natty status even on anonymous forums.
- Height. It's much easier to look wide and muscular on pictures for short guys than it is for lanky tall guys. Also it takes lots of calories to sustain a muscular body for a tall person, so that's additional challenge.
- Lighting, camera lens FOV, good angles, camera quality. Those variables affect how good you look on pics.
why don't you fricking MAKE me DAAAD
>used to advice people to do compounds
>end up never doing compounds myself because my bullshit machine/cable routine is more fun
What did I mean by this?
>>end up never doing compounds myself because my bullshit machine/cable routine is more fun
Post body, cable isolation are ironicaly apparently great for hypertrophy. Especially of shoulders.
Those can still be compounds. Compounds doesn't mean "le barbellz only" it just means utilizing multiple joints/muscle groups per movement.
A row or press or squat on a machine is still a compound. Don't listen to the barbell autists, which I guess you haven't.
I think the part that gets overlooked here is that it takes years of lifting and becoming legit IST to have that deep understanding of the core principles and how they apply.
Especially nowadays there is an absolute information overload, and while its great for people to get off their ass and go to the gym, its easy to realize once you get there that you don't know what the frick you're doing.
TLDR: just lift hard and eat a lot bro
why is he wearing peter griffins pants?
This image is a prime example of the dunning Kruger effect. Given the fact that literally 94% of the gym population looks like they are untrained, or in their first 6 months, empirically and obviously, they ARE doing something wrong, as showing up everyday and moving weights isn’t enough, as the moron in the OP tries to postulate.
It’s not “just lift 4x a day bro”. In NO athletic sport is the coaching approach “just throw the ball, bro” “just kick the ball, bro” “just jump over the hurdle, bro”
Now frick off homosexual. I’d bet 5k you can’t even lift 1/2/3/4 for 5 reps (something that should be accomplished after one year of training.
>Reddit word
>Reddit spacing
Hmmmmm
In my opinion the reason people don't actually 'make it,' is because they never push past their own version of 'ok this is a lot of weight,' moment. People get lazy then just spin their wheels at the same spot forever till they give up or leave thinking they made it.
I accidentally smashed through that due to overloding a bar while sleep deprived. Almost fricking died but my new bench max was suddenly 40 lbs heavier and i found out I have more in me.
>you can’t even lift 1/2/3/4 for 5 reps (something that should be accomplished after one year of training.
nta but who says this? Some homosexuals online? You're going to judget what's valuable by what homosexuals online invented out of thin air?
My grip strength steeply declines after 3pl8s deadlift and I don't want to some day have some failure and snap my shit up forever, so why would I ever do mixed grip 4pl8 dls for reps? Because some stupid homosexual online said I should? have a nice day please.
I also don't do 3 plates squat for reps because guess what? I don't fricking want to, I don't want to mate. You're the one who's being ruled by these stupid numbers.
>I don't want to mate
haha you are gay
It's a good indicator of a person's strenght and because strength and muscle go pretty much hand in hand it's a sign if somebody is DYEL or not.
Also, use straps if grip becomes an issue.
>use straps if grip becomes an issue.
why don't i just use a forklift
Best post itt.
>Given the fact that literally 94% of the gym population looks like they are untrained, or in their first 6 months
This is probably because most people who aren't committed to lifting go through cycles where they feel out of shape, decide to lift for a little while, then either don't develop the habit or just give up because it's hard work and they're not cut out for it. You see this all the time with new years resolutions. People might get a burst of motivation and try to stick to it for a while, but then they stop. May gradually, maybe all at once, but they do. There are entire gyms who's business model is predicated on people buying memberships then just never showing up or cancelling the subscription.
Being fat or lazy is almost like having a booze problem. People try to quit but they relapse a lot more often than they actually quit. Lifting is the same, it's just a relapse into idleness.
Well anon let's consider ourselves fortunate enough to like lifting and be able to stick with it. Why does everything have to be so toxic and hateful, not saying you're being hateful but just you see it often here. I don't judge someone who has a hard time with sticking to something.
>Why does everything have to be so toxic and hateful,
Unironically, you know how you are always more mean about someone else when talking about them and they're not there? Internet has that effect for all interaction.
Bad bait. Please leave.
holy shit dont lift it would be a waste of time for you i hope you live long and weak
>lift 1/2/3/4
Seen this a million times and have no idea what it means, even now.
1 gf, 2 jobs, 3 bugatti’s, 4 kids
The amount of 45 lb plates on each side of the barbell for main lifts.
>OHP - 1 plate each side - 135 lbs
>Bench - 2 plate each side - 225 lbs
>Squat - 3 plate each side - 315 lbs
>Deadlift - 4 plate each side - 405 lbs
People know to eat less and move more to lose weight yet they still don't lose weight. Similarly, people know to get bigger muscles they need to fatigue the muscle, yet not everyone is muscular. It's not an intellectual effort, but an effort of will.
the vast majority of people quit before they get fit
People get filtered out because they expect it to be something you just pay for the results
Why do you think fitness industry snake oil salesman get away with the amount of ridiculous shit they sell.
Why do you think gear and ozempic have become mainstream popular
People want to buy fitness not work for it
This. I don't remember the video but some youtuber did a poll about what the viewership's barbell numbers were and they were really low. I think most was like one plate bench and barely two plate squats.
Ive watched newbies asking form tips and it's just other dyels parroting things they've heard on youtube videos, not really understanding them.
anybody have that webcomic of the guy lifting for women and geting mired by dudes?
entirely depends on whether you're a novice, intermediate, advanced, or anything in between. Of course nearly anything works for beginners, but the further along you are you can't pretend that not reorienting your training, diet, recovery etc isn't what's holding you back. The vast majority of gym goers are DYEL because of lack of consistency and effort if anything, early intermediate is achievable with most splits and not even maximum effort.
It's related to the phenomenon of novices coping with the natty limit as soon as they reach their first plateau of course, there is no natty limit since all plateaus are caused by the limits of your current approach to programming/recovery/diet/intensity, not anything inherint to your body but because these things have to be adapted to what works for you.
Also why it's often hard to give advice to novices, generic advice will lead to frustration in the intermediate stage when they realize that no scientific study or 'best' way of training matters if it doesn't work for them.
Dyel only has one good question and that is is bulk or cut
And the only good answer is look at the mirror and bmi
everyone who asks that question online are always gonna look like shit for another half a year no matter what they do, they should literally just lift.
whats a carb blocker
At the end of the day, u gotta go hard or go home. You have to reach for the stars
Stop over complicating it, Just use roids
I used to try and force myself into the gym. I hated every minute of it. Too much people, loud music, waiting for the machines, the smell, the roasties stealing plates to use as a phone stand. I tried 3 different gyms over the course of 2 years but never really made any progress.
Last year, I had the most painful breakup in my life, my dad died, etc etc, you wouldn't believe how much can drop on you all at once. I moved, switched jobs, dropped alcohol.
What I did was I started rooning/walking to a nearby OUTDOOR gym. 2 times a week, then 3 times a week, every week. In the rain, and during the winter too. Started with just pull-ups and chin-ups, now 1 year later I do hundreds of each, weighted, I do muscle-ups and I'm in the best shape in my life. It's actually great. I feel strong and I'm lean.
Sometimes you need to find a routine and a setting that fits you. I needed piece of mind, tranquility, place for myself, and a real challenge. I enjoy the functional movements and everything calisthenics has to offer. Outdoor gym was it for me. I will never ever go to a commercial gym again, and I don't care about lifting free weights that much.
I'm happy for finding your place and your inner peace, anon. This is what lifting and fitness should be about.
But now tell me: how do you do a hundred pull ups? I cannot get beyond 7 in a row and it makes me really sad.
My progress was built on a reverse pyramid. When I started, I could only do like 5 in total. I started adding sets on top.
5 4 3 2 1
6 5 4 3 2 1
7 6 5 4 3 2 1
When I reached 10, I started to do as many sets of 10 as I could until I reached 10x10. It's worth mentioning that I also alternate between chin-ups and pull-ups, so it was more like
5 4 3 2 1; 5 4 3 2 1
6 5 4 3 2 1; 6 5 4 3 2 1
etc.
When the numbers got ridiculous (10x10, 10x10) I started adding weight. I test my ability to do non-weighted from time to time too, currently at 22 pull-ups with a perfect form and 28 if I force myself and the form goes to shit.
Before anyone says anything about the method - I just do what I like and I honestly don't care about the best rep range or amount of sets or that you shouldn't smoke while you're doing chin-ups. Never in my life I thought I could do a single pull-up with 20 kg weight.
Sounds good, I'll give it a try.
How much do you rest between sets?
2-3 minutes give or take. Sometimes the weather is complete shit so I need more rest. Sometimes I finish my workout early cause I barely need rest (usually it's a sign I'm ready to progress further).
The key to long term success is to find something you enjoy, for me it's lifting heavy ass weights. I don't need to be motivated to go to the gym and usually it's the better part of my days.
The gym you go to matters a lot, I used to lift at a weightlifting / powerlifting gym but recently moved and had to switch to a normie commercial gym and the general atmosphere is a night and day difference.
>and the general atmosphere is a night and day difference
For the better or worse?
Worse, so much worse.
Mind to elaborate?
I'm a home gym enjoyer an I have no idea how the outside world works.
More serious lifters of every strength level, no music at all, only sounds were people chatting and clanking of plates, really respectful and supportive people. People took care of the equipment. Coaches who were actually accomplished instead of week end course personal trainers who know very little about movement and programming.
200kg squat wasn't a big deal there, in a normie commercial gym I feel like the entire gym is staring at me doing it for reps.
No thots distracting you either, there were women but they weren't dressing up like prostitutes. Most people wore sweat pants and an old shitty t-shirt.
>200kg squat wasn't a big deal there, in a normie commercial gym I feel like the entire gym is staring at me doing it for reps.
No wonder, I haven't ever seen that in the wild either.
Kek, I'm in the same boat. I have only recently found that taking every set to failure might not be ideal.
It's great that you have found something you enjoy bro. Heavy weights are cool as frick.
>usually it's the better part of my days
Absolutely.
youre right, pic applies to basically anything
OP is DYEL
Post body
>n-no, u!
Grim comeback anon.
Fixed
perfect
Do isolation / hypertrophy focused program in the summer
Do strength focused program in the winter
Simple as
lift all you want. if you are natty its all for nothing
>how do I [x]-maxx?
the best fitness advice you'll find comes from within