Did you know that porn and masturbation hinder your gains?
Not only that, but abstinence will actually increase your testosterone
Dont believe me? Try going without watching porn and jerking off for a month or two and check your lift/test
Here is some anecdotal evidence:
https://imgur.io/gallery/g4eGH
Here are some of what you will experience after some time without jerking off
No matter how long I don't jerk off and how long I train my body, I'll never be able to look at women the same way after discovering their nature
You didnt discover womens nature, you discovered how women treat you because of who you are. Stop being a fricking b***h.
cringe simp
women are moronic prostitutes and yes that includes my mother and every women in my family
almost zero of the claims here have literally even a smidgen of evidence to support them, you resort to this because you need faith in order to continue what you are doing in the absence of logic. show us a reasonable study that actually claims specifically how much testosterone you can hope to gain from this, because everything ive ever seen has shown that it is a minute change that tapers off over time. if you want to believe all of this, thats fine, if it helps you, good, and i do think a few of these statements are at least somewhat true, but how do you people expect anyone to give a shit when
is literally all you can find, give me a god damn reason to believe that this ACTUALLY reduces testosterone in any quantity that is significant for anything, or that it 'causes severe depression', and ill try it out. yes addiction is bad and some people may need to abstain for that reason alone. i dont care your favorite philosopher from over a century ago guessed that its bad
Damn bro calm down, you good? Leave the thread if it gets you this mad
you just really, really dont like actually having a dialogue, mainly because most of the claims you are making are false. its worth mentioning on this public forum that you are peddling some faith based nonsense. you want to make posts in an echo chamber just text message yourself. i just asked for any form of proof at all, i guess i will continue not caring about nofap since this is the 300th thread in a row where no one has posted anything of any value and its just a zealot lying to himself. carry on
Goodbye
Its incredibly weird how the retainment of dreams is true....I experienced this. What is the science behind it?
I experience all of this when i'm on no fap, and i can't believe when someone here says that it does nothing for them. It is impossible if you are a healthy male. Or is it that some individuals posses such small amount of self-awareness that they cannot notice the subtle and gross changes in their behaviour and well being.
Nofap does give me energy, but it also makes me a raging incel
I don't know man, you feel sluggish after cranking one out but at least you can think straight
>raging incel
>cranking one out
The frick?
I can still think "straight", maybe try controlling your impulses?
>writes like a woman
You've castrated yourself.
Okey whatever you say but stop touching your pecker alright? Try to find a woman to frick, its healthier
The end result is the same, you’re still wasting your semen
>Having sex with women and touching your own dick is the same
The absolute state of coomers
Where did I say it’s the same? Or are you gonna purposely conflate my point with your two dimensional take?
>two dimensional take
Go back
its the same, orgasm is the same, result the same (spilling the seed)
Doctors says to spill it 30 times a month, even normies who have sex dont have it that often.
What am i supposed to do, die of prostate cancer?
I am married to a woman. You're still writing like a homosexual.
Also acting like a homosexual.
Kek, not surprised. Most women and low test men always use too many question marks and can't into conviction, even concerning basic shit. Their idea of aggression is snark.
>ad hom
Holy shit.
>Nofap does give me energy, but it also makes me a raging incel
that's just the real you, not domesticated and made docile by porn and masturbation
Wise post. It's easy to become a little psychotic constantly trying to trick yourself into holding in your nut. One becomes expert in Kazakh Women's Studies. Better to nut every few days and stay away from hardcore porn.
>I need my porn, it helps me think straight
Sure you do buddy,
>I need my alcohol, it helps me stop shaking
>I need my cigarettes, it helps me stay calm
>I need my opium, it helps me fall asleep
That “raging incel” after a week of not cranking it is the real you. Use that energy to work on improving yourself instead of seething at women
Idk about you but I can't think after porn and fap
Nietzsche was a chronic masturbator btw. He may be right here, but he definitely didn't practiced what he preached.
52 days porn free
feels good bros
Good for you, keep going
Frick off redditor
Nofap threads in a nutshell
You're right it does look like one. More proof semen retention is a gateway to cuckolding and is in all likelyhood a israeli psyop to radicalize gullible sexually inexperienced men.
Triggered coomer
>nut shell
Hehe I get it
I have a chastity fetish
I can tell you that nofap doesn’t really do anything except make you really horny. Just don’t jerk it 10 times a day and you’ll be fine
Did a 30 day challenge some months ago perfectly. Since then I keep relapsing on day 2 or 3 what gives
You are becoming a cumbrain maybe?
Its not an addiction. Stop calling it that to defer blame from yourself. Its a habit. Just stop doing it. Its not "beyond your control"
your brain literally hooks on dopamine just like it does with drugs you fricking moronic Black person
Irrelevant and incomprehensible but okay
> t. Black person moron
cool
Damn they colored a part of the brain yellow in a picture.
Yeah we get it... But porn is harmful as frick either way
You thought that image was real evidence, so... where exactly is that strong brain of yours?
>You
Not me
t.
I agree with your message but porn addiction is definitely real, it does damage to various parts of the prefrontal cortex making it more difficult to use willpower and self control
So what I'm hearing here is that nothing that isnt an addiction can harm you, and any harm done to your brain that compromises your reasoning and self control can only be from addiction?
I never said either of those things moron. If porn addiction isn't real, why does DeltaFosB, a protein used to identify addiction in the brain, accumulate in the same areas of the brain in both drug addicts and porn users?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3865508/
>immediate inserts ad hom into neutral conversation
You do you bro good luck in life with that attitide. I'm out.
>completely ignores the evidence I've presented
>yells "ad hominem!" because I said moron once
lol whatever you say bro
>please have a conversation with a person clearly not engaging in good faith
>shoots self in foot
>lol ur dumb because you didnt have bandages for me
I failed NNN so the last time I jerked off was November 30th. The main reason I stopped is because cooming makes my skin super oily for some reason.
Technically the optimal way would be to have sex or jerk it every 2 weeks after a heavy set of deadlifts to faliure.
Since the test peaks after the first week of no fap then slowly declines back to normal levels around the 2nd week before over correcting and leaving you lower then normal temporarily, goes back to normal after 4th week.
Frick off addict, stop trying to cope and rationalize your addiction
Stop touching your dick, go find a woman to bang
Did I not say sex as the primary option?
Your just as bad as evangelicals that think beating addicts is the way to fix the problem.
God I hate pseudo religious materialists.
How did the anon that took these pictures get them? Did he run the videos through some sort of filter or some sort of process?
Any context to this pic?
It was taken from a thread on /misc/, the /x/ link in the pic doesnt work, I can't find the original thread but it was about porn fricking you up.
The guy said he had access to some video/sound filter programs or some shit and ran some hardcore porn through it, claimed Demonic looking entites we're staring back at him, the shapes werent there on normal vids.
Reminds me of Frank Peretti's 'This Present Darkness', pretty cool book on religious spiritual warfare. Demons latch onto humans and entice them to do depraved acts
Go back to /x/
Coomer cope
Coomer cope
is all the extra power the reason why celibate priests always end up fricking young boys?
all this also applies to sex btw.
should be no problem though since most of you are never gonna talk to/touch women.
I believe you. I've believe it for a long time. Unfortunately for me I have been a compulsive porn addict since I was 14, and I've spent the last 8 years draining every bit of agency for no reason.
I decided I'd quit two and a half years ago and it's turned out to be a lot more difficult than I thought. In that time my longest streak was 16 days.
But my determination grew as did my discipline. Now I am more determined than ever to finally put an end to the senseless self-destruction and start living my real life.
To all the anons who are struggling, still doubting, either in the validity of the truths presented to you or in your own capacity for change, good luck. You can make it. You just have to want it bad enough.
>Now I am more determined than ever to finally put an end to the senseless self-destruction and start living my real life.
Why on earth do you believe that fapping stops you from living your "real life"? You can do any activity you want regardless if you are fapping regularly or not.
I really can't though. PMO imbues my mind with an enormous amount of shame and self-loathing. I am quite extreme in my descent to hell though; very fricked up fetishes and such. And I used to goon for hours at a time. It makes me feel totally worthless and absolutely trash. So the only solution is to stop permanently, which I've been trying for close to 30 months now.
I understand some other anons may not be as extreme as I am and that they can go on fapping and doing PMO and live just fine, but I can't. It's strangling me in every sense of the word and it needs to stop for me to become the person I can be. Become someone who doesn't hate themselves and engage in other self-destructive escapism as a response to that self-loathing and terrible self-esteem issues.
I can't socialise or act like a normal individual when I'm doing PMO. I just can't. If you can, then that's for you to deal with. I'm done.
I don't know much about you, but I think there is a high probability that you are using it as an excuse to avoid living your life. The subconscious thought is that "well if i fix this THEN i can go on to live my life" so now you are occupied forever with this thing and you don't have to do anything else. You don't have your face your real problems which, if i where to guess would be the usual sort of circumstances you find in IST coomers, typically loneliness is a big one, perhaps unemployment/NEET etc. Being that way usually makes people feel really shameful and loathsome and depressed and all that, and yeah, porn indulgence seem to increase those feelings, but, there is nothing really stopping the person from pursuing other goals other then their self imposed "i can't do it because i PMO", "i can't do it because if feel to bad from doing X", but actually, the real reason you are feeling bad is because you are not doing the other things.
There is nothing stopping you from getting a job, going to the gym, going outside speaking to people and so on and building your life (other then your self imposed limitations that you swear to live by"
>It makes me feel totally worthless and absolutely trash.
Its probably lack of other things that are making you feel that way. And another thing is, perhaps you should come to terms with and accept that you are a person that is sexually adventurous and you are in to freaky shit like no other. Some people have a very broad taste in music and like all kinds of weird music. Most people don't venture off the mainstream. Some people have very broad taste in sex, most people dont venture out of the normal shit.
But also, accept that you have your pro's and cons, vices and virtues, but to think that you have to rid your self of your vices before developing your virtues and moving forward in life, that is a mental trap that will keep you locked in your own prison for ever.
I really appreciate it anon, thanks for taking the time to write that out. That's not the situation I am in, though. Since Corona ended two years ago I've held a stable job, actually have over $15k saved up, go to University and get good grades, and I've been training for over 5 years and have a good physique (DYEL tier for IST but I'm really happy with my progress).
Really the only thing I find myself struggling with is socialising because I have no self confidence. I've always had self esteem issues since I started PMO. I can't look people in the way, feel awkward, nervous/anxious, avoidant, high neuroticism, etc. No self-confidence and the like when in reality I should have every right to be confident, I'm not bad looking at all, I'm funny, good physique etc. I've even had gfs in the past but that was before my PMO addiction got really bad, now I almost can't talk to women at all.
But I do appreciate your post and I definitely agree that it can become a major cope for people who aren't doing much anywhere else in their lives, but that's not my situation. I just know this is gonna be good, cause this time I feel different. I feel free, not like I'm forcing myself to quit.
I'm gonna make it and so are you anon. Good luck.
Thank you and you are welcome. Its honestly a bit refreshing to see that you did not fit the common pattern of nofapcoomerIST anons and that there are other circumstances. It looks like you are well off in most means, fit, educated, financially well, good looking, funny.
I would still like to ask a few question and dig further, if you don't mind, just in case.
>Really the only thing I find myself struggling with is socialising because I have no self confidence. I've always had self esteem issues since I started PMO.
When did you Start PMO? What was your life like before it? And what was it like after it?
> I can't look people in the way, feel awkward, nervous/anxious, avoidant, high neuroticism, etc
Just as a reminder, are you aware that these feelings are also typical in people experiencing social isolation? Have you been isolated during Covid? Have you moved from your hometown and ended up spending all day studying locked in a dorm or something?
I started when I was 14 I think. It was light at first, and I actually had a gf for a while who I had good sex with, but after Corona shit hit the fan and I sunk real deep into degenerate shit. I somewhat recovered, my job is social, I work in very social situations and have plenty of interaction, it's just the self esteem that's really bad. Like shame and self-loathing. I go out frequently when I'm out and about, campus, work sites, etc. Still feel awkward especially around women, and 1 on 1 with them.
>your genetic baseline for neuroticism is very high
This is also likely, yeah. Sensitive kid and very peculiar about what I like. Not autism but definitely not neurotypical. I'm also avoidant and often anxious, but I notice massive spikes in anxiety and lethargy when I fap as well.
>you are simply not good at socialization and you bomb social situations?
The only social situations I'm good at are 1 on 1s with men. I have very specific interests and can get obsessive, so that's really all that interests me to talk about in general. I'm terrible at group socialisation and 1 on 1s with women are almost impossible. Idk. I really feel like once the shame and self-hatred from PMO finally leaves I can be way less inhibited and not care as much when jokes don't land or I feel awkward. I at least have to give it a serious try. I can't go on like this.
I was also extremely insecure for a long time about my looks, was neck deep into the incel world for 4 or so years in my late teens, and even after looksmaxxxing I still feel insecure at times which is ridiculous because I have received lots of positive feedback. Maybe I am putting all my eggs in one basket but I genuinely feel like quitting PMO is the last step to truly become who I want to be, who I am meant to be.
Thanks for the advice as well anon, I appreciate your good faith and empathy.
It sounds like you are still young which is likely a contributing factor to this. A lot of men don't actually develop their social skills until their mid 20's, some even later. Sounds trange.
>but after Corona shit hit the fan and I sunk real deep into degenerate shit.
Kek, didn't we all?
> I go out frequently when I'm out and about, campus, work sites, etc.
Do you ever go out with friends? Gym, movies, restaurants, partying at weekends, pubs, clubs or whatever?
>Still feel awkward especially around women, and 1 on 1 with them.
Did you feel that way with your gf or before age 14 when you started PMO?
>The only social situations I'm good at are 1 on 1s with men.
What about small talking to cashiers, colleges etc and so on?
>I have very specific interests and can get obsessive, so that's really all that interests me to talk about in general.
>I'm terrible at group socialization and 1 on 1s with women are almost impossible.
What about group situations that revolve around one of your specific interests?
>I can be way less inhibited and not care as much when jokes don't land or I feel awkward
You can certainly do that regardless if you fap or not, this only comes down to experience and learning that its okay to have a joke miss. Like its not a big deal and people don't really care and it happens to everyone.
> was neck deep into the incel world for 4 or so years in my late teens
And neck deep in nofap movement to i guess?
>Do you ever go out with friends?
Occasionally. I used to a lot but not anymore, I don't have many friends anymore. My old friend group got tired of me so they left me behind. I got a lot more introverted during Corona so I don't enjoy going out much any more. Today is the first day of the week I even physically stepped outside my house (uni/work break for a while)
>Did you feel that way with your gf or before age 14 when you started PMO?
It's been so long I can't even remember. I felt very comfortable with my gf but I felt like I was putting up a front, which is how I feel every time I'm social except with my two closest friends and family.
>What about small talking to cashiers, colleges
Depends on who it is. Sometimes I'm chatty, sometimes I can't even speak.
>What about group situations that revolve around one of your specific interests?
I'm an all or nothing guy. Either I'm dead silent or I just completely take over the discussion. Hardly any inbetween.
>its not a big deal and people don't really care
Rationally I know you're right but I have an involuntary reaction, my cheeks start burning, I feel embarrassed and awkward. I hate it.
>And neck deep in nofap movement to
No, that's more recent
>You are not going to be who you are "truly meant to be" by not working at it, developing towards it, that requires actively doing, actively putting your self in situations and feeling the cringe, feeling the anxiety and just keep going despite of it.
Really good advice and I agree 100%, the thing is I do try, and I'm not getting any better because I feel like I have a hardcap. Or sometimes I'll be really okay or even good, and the next time I'll be right back to being garbage. It's inconsistent and seemingly random (correlates with fap frequency), and I feel like I'm not progressing. It's at least worth a shot to stop PMO forever because I'm not getting any benefits from it, but I'll keep that in mind. Thank you anon.
>but I genuinely feel like quitting PMO is the last step to truly become who I want to be, who I am meant to be.
I honestly think this comes down to practice, practice, practice, and exposure, exposure and exposure. And this shit is not going to magically fix it self just because you don't bust nuts. I am not telling you that you should not quit porn, but i am telling you that your "problem" is that of simply not having done enough of the social thing in order to have developed profiency, competence, and having had positive experiences under your belt, which is a very common thing for young men, and they are not caused by porn or fapping, they are caused simply by a combination of insecurities, (probably a lot of that internet induced), and also simply by you not having yet having gone trough these experiences and done the social blunders and all that. What you really need to do is go out and practice, get more social experiences, feel the cringe, feel the anxiety, experience that its okay to frick up and its not the end of the world.
You could go on a 60 day streak and nothing would change socially. You might feel a bit better internally, but in the end, its the doing. You are not going to be who you are "truly meant to be" by not working at it, developing towards it, that requires actively doing, actively putting your self in situations and feeling the cringe, feeling the anxiety and just keep going despite of it.
>No self-confidence and the like when in reality I should have every right to be confident
When it comes to self-confidence and especially regarding social situations, things like achievements in education, work and so forth does not always translate directly in to how confident you are in social situations. And the thing that makes people confident socially, is to just be more social.
The absence of socialization creates avoidance, neuroticism and so forth. Its also possible that your genetic baseline for neuroticism is very high and that is the thing that is causing your lack of confidence socially but also the general negative feelings you have regarding your self like shame and so on.
I don't think the logic that "since you have all these good things, you SHOULD be confident socially" is entirely correct because confidence can be circumstance dependent. What does it matter if you have a good education,job are fit if you are simply not good at socialization and you bomb social situations? To become comfortable and good with socialization you have to do it often and practice it, and keep that muscle warm and going to not let it atrophy. But, unless you are getting positive reinforcement, basically other people enjoying your company, small talk, jokes etc and so on, then you will not feel better social wise. You need to level of your social fitness, you need to rank up your social competence.
It might also be genetically high trait neuroticism which is making you inhibited, self conscious in a negative way, experiencing higher anxiety when in social situations and in general, an that is also why you are feeling bad about your porn consumption as well.
Then there is the whole issue around the porn you watch. What kind of fetishes do you watch? You said you gooned? Are you in to sissy hypno, troony shit? Crossdressing and so on? Does this make you feel ashamed and bad about your self?
This is interesting, thank you for your responses.
>to think that you have to rid your self of your vices before developing your virtues and moving forward in life, that is a mental trap that will keep you locked in your own prison for ever.
great post anon, ive struggled with this aspect a lot in my life. but we're all imperfect, and pushing ahead in life in spite of our flaws in absolutely necessary
wtf is PMO lol. And jerking off takes 5 mins, not hours.
>implying Neetch didnt jerk it 20 times a day
It makes sense since that would tell your body and brain that you have a sexual partner and could therefore reproduce except with all the extra stimulus from pornography. When doing retention your body goes into mate seeking mode again making you better at everything.
I always go back to jacking it after a few days and you know what I think that's fine
Not fitness related. And patently false.
I flatlined a few days in and still haven't really recovered. Wish I actually got these benefits others are receiving but I still feel just as shitty.
>hurr durr just le try
I've gone without fapping for weeks multiple times and it always ended with creaming my pants at night AND I NOTICED NO FRICKING DIFFERENCE YOU QUEERS
Frick off coomers, this isnt your thread
>has no argument at all
yup it's a nofap pajeet
>reabsorbtion of semen by blood
What did he mean by this?
Nietzsche clearly was talking about injecting semen to bloodstream. But didn't mention if it has to be your semen..?
israelites
If this is true, how come the guys in Nofap are such weirdos and losers.
Any neo-movement that has anything to do with sexuality is just weirdos
Not everybody here lift or got the body of zyzz, there is morons in everything
>I have more knowledge and wisdom than Nietzsche
Only a brain severely damaged by porn and masturbation could post such absurd statements.
That or paid israelites and shills
hope he sees this bro
(he won't because he's dead)
Keep seething coomer
>i save pictures of people pissing and mutilating themselves from an anime image board, i'm the ubermensch!
youre a huge homosexual my guy, go lift
What do you want? Can you please stop watching porn and masturbation? This is what the thread is about
tbh I agree with you and I don't watch porn. I'm just trolling because I think putting too much stock in philosophers is cringe.
>people
Why do people listen to this manlet
>”We shall see one another from time to time, won't we?”
He was a self hating incel cripple. A perfect role model.
oy vey goyim look! he's not 6 ft!
>OP image
do people just take shit like this at face value without noting the fact that this guy did not study human biology at all? literally just fanfic but with the label "philosophy" tapped on it so people will take it seriously for some reason
>Tfw look at solo girls but don't fap
Testmaxxing on a level you cannot comprehend.
Are you? You test Maxx by interacting with attractive girls, not by looking at a screen anon.
remember to report offtopic nofap spam in the report menu
Never cooming can unironically atrophy your dick, causing it to shrink or give you ED. Don’t watch porn, but you DO need to jerk off sometimes if you don’t have access to sex
bullshit
wrong
How do you call this haircut?
homemade
Give your porn addiction to our lord and savior Jesus Christ, its the only way to freedom. You are not strong enough, you already know this thats the reason you cant quit.
>start doing nofap
>get morning wood again for the first time in years and diamond hard boners
>still go back to jerking off 5x a day and having low level ED afterwards
life is funny
Im the opposite. Started doing nofap and went from morning wood to having none at all. However I have more mental clarity so I guess that is a plua.
Did you know that NoFap is a direct pipeline into the incel ecosystem if you do nothing but literally not jerk off? You'll be crying woe is me I don't jack off why don't women want to talk to me? But not making any effort to socialize with others or develop charisma is what you really need to do. If NoFap helps you get into a mindset to develop those attributes, then do it. If not, you're wasting your time if your end goal is to find a partner.
>If not, you're wasting your time if your end goal is to find a partner.
PMOing literally is wasting time.
After a few weeks:
>Women start to show attention
>Muscle mass and lifts go up
>Shiny eyes and clear, shiny healthy looking skin
>Thick, shiny hair
>Very social, words flow without anxiety or shyness
>Harder erections, better sex
>sexual tension with every woman that comes too close
Anons are missing out, try this, stop jerking off and see that what I write is real and will happen to you if you abstain
Quitting porn is healthy because it forces you to hit on and pursue women. Especially if you are an addict like I was for a long time.
Porn is a crutch, like smoking or weed. It gives you artificial dopamine, making you think you are getting women but you're staring at pixels.
When you quit porn, you use that animalistic drive to pursue and date women. There are no more virtual girls for your imagination harem.
It makes you go out there and pursue. Like a hunter lion chasing a deer. Why would a lion hunt deer if he got a fat steak every morning in the zoo? That's your brain on porn.
I highly recommend "bulldog blocker" and "blocker hero" for android phone. I use "netnanny" and "Microsoft family" to filter my PC.
Having a good filter is so important because it helps make the stuff a little less accessible, which helps you abstain from the stuff. It's like the cancer pictures on cigarette packages.
Get a good filter or several. I also use MDF man don't fap to track how many days in my streak.
Legit went from talking to 0 girls, to now talking to over 10 girls at a time. All the time and energy I spent jacking off to pixels, I use to rizz up girls and take them out on dates.
You need to cut the porn habit eventually. It will destroy your marriage and ability to have healthy relationships. The sooner you get it under control the better.
also to add to my post, i found that it is not fapping itself problem but porn and lacking of things to do in life. What has helped me quitting porn, and other stuff, like weed, beer is practicing awareness and meditation. Observing what is happening will diminish your desire to continue by seeing mechanism that control you. Once observed they have no power over you. Blocking sites and using willpower alone will get you nowhere. I know from experience. My problem was that i didn't fap to porn, rather it was pictures of naked women. I just can't help myself to enjoy seeing female form. I found porn disgusting tho, it is voyeurism at its best and will frick you up.
>i found
Disregarded immediately. Didnt read past the first sentence
>quitting for women
ngmi
Even if i dont jerk off for a month i still have no reasons to left my house
And women will still not be attracted to me
this.
I didn't jerk off for 6 months once and ended up just being infatuated with someone but still didn't act on it.
I'm glad I didn't in hindsight.
I ain't neva gone quit porn or masturbation, i'm a man I get horny.
Simple as'
>I touch my pecker
>Im a man
Choose one
What's there to choose idiot?
It's just how life is
Lmao, no, not everyone touches their penis. You are a disgusting cumbrain coping as le macho man because he cant control himself, beta as frick.
i don't care loser I simply stated my opinion which happens to be a fact
Lmao, you touch your peepee, I got women to bang.
Pls stop jerking off
>i'm such a chad i get laid whenever i want but I really need YOU to stop jerking off
It's like a bad joke, you need to stop
I dont "need", im asking you to try and stop your disgusting habit and enjoy the benefits of being a real man
Only kids jack off
ok whatever you say mr chad
Why do you call me mister chad? Because I said i have sex with women and I dont jerk off?
you have to be a chad to frick nowadays
How dl I quit porn and fapping? I'm mostly doing it out of boredom or after about 2 weeks of abstaining due to urges. How do I control myself better? I want to conquer my demons
So basically mediation and awareness of feelings, situations, and desires?
nta but take yourself out of that situation and honestly review what you are doing. Why are you doing what you are doing? Seriously think about it and consider the implications.
i don't notice much benefits but i do find it kinda time wasting
>turbo virgin with broken brain from a literal porn addiction tries to give up masturbation
>eventually his horniness from not cumming makes him so desperate he hooks up with a fat women that no reasonable man would lay a finger on
>goes online and tells people that he made it, tries to "educate" people with a less extreme relationship with porn who would vomit at sight of the pussy he did his business in
This is how I see nofappers.
Didnt read, pls stop touching your penis
lmao.
The alternative is that he stays a virgin forever and never interacts with women. How is that preferable to him having relations with 2/10 women?
finding a relationship with a 5/10 after you had experience dating a 2/10 is much easier than a turbovirgin loser immediately trying to get a 5/10.
abstinence isn't as important as stopping jerking off and watching porn.
If youre jerking off with porn youre replacing the healthy relationship you should have with a woman instead with a voyeuristic cuck screen where you watch others frick, and usually that leads to more and more depraved shit. That will hinder your ability to have a healthy relationship in the future because you have fricked up kinks and expectations.
incels correctly complain that women having shitloads of sex partners will make them shitty wives, but dont recognize that fricking their hands 5 times day rather than trying to find a gf literally has the same effect.
>taking notes on manliness
>from nietsczhe, the 19th century basement dweller
lol
I cant go longer than a week with out a wet dream, and they are fricking weird
My first wet dream as a kid was fricking Ka D'Argo except he had a vegana
Lmao at the demons not even disguising themselves as women in your dreams, Satan employees really suck
I used to get very frequent wet dreams. Any fantasy will encourage them. If you can have sex, do it. The wet dreams will go away, for me it took about 6 months. I always remembered feeling really off for a day or 2 when I had wet dreams, brain fog, weakness and almost dizziness. If you can wake up early everyday at the same time and not sleep it, that will massively help. If you have REM rebound it will massively increase chance of a wet dream
I’m 80 days into nofap and flatlining. When does this get better?
I want to be a holy man, a righteous beacon of light sent from the Lord, a pure Christian walking in JEsus' footsteps but I am cooming daily! I just finished jerking off minutes ago. HELP ME GOD
i like some of the nietzsche quotes what the frick does he know about biology
>Niche
Motherfricker died from syphilis so I guess he really should have followed his own advice since fricking a disease ridden prostitute is what killed him. The dude would have become a supreme if prostitution wasn't legal at that time.
Nofap makes me suicidal without sex. It has always made me more unstable and mentally unhealthy
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the problem with nofap is not that it does not work, is that it does and you motherfrickers praise it like its the cure for everything, there is nothing wrong with not jerking off, if you do it on a daily basis or more than thrice a week yeah you should do nofap, but you guys act like anyone who mentions that they can have a healthy relationship with nofap is a coomer or shill, not everyone is an addict
yeah alot of coomers are coping, but none is making excuses by not thinking that woman will starting talking more to them if they dont jerk off for a week, stop acting like a cult
I think in general nofap is good for guys who are straight up addicted to porn or masturbation. Men who aren't so deep into it and just do it once in a while are probably okay.
But if you're at the point where porn and masturbation are causing real problems in your life it's probably a good idea to cut it all out. Once your relationship with something so innate to the human experience is fricked up like that's basically impossible to scale down and mend it. Look at all the obese people who go on diets and then immediately gain all the weight back - food, like sex, is a fundamental human instinct and abusing of its dopaminergic release will get you addicted just like anything else.
Tools:
Addiction follows the path of: Trigger>Behaviour>Reward
The trick is to swap out the behaviour and reward. Example:
>Trigger. I see P and feel tempted
>"I'm going to do something even better"
>Behaviour. I do 3-4 challenging yoga holds to help me get into my body (Rootlock>Utkatasana>Boat Pose>Headstand)
>Reward. I allow myself to eat some dopamine chocolate and tonic water
If you do this enough times, even if you fail, you will begin swapping out new links in the addiction chain. Over time these links will become more frequent as p links become less frequent.
If I'm still craving P after the above process I will call and speak to someone to have a general chat, or go out and see people, or do some physical manual labour (cleaning up the yard)
If I fail and continue to seek porn, i must immediately forgive myself, but penance is made. No screens or food for 24hours. This is a big threat to me because I enjoy lifting and lack of food means less gains.
The subconscious holds pain from difficult times in our past, making the seek for porn (distraction and pain relief) ever more tempting. It can be cleared up through the practise of Vasana Daha Tantra.
Coom with sex or not at all.
Awesome read, saved. Thanks anon.
christ man, this is the reason why coomers dont take us seriously
I understand, it's very wishy washy with the demon shit. There's plenty I don't align with in that essay. But at the very least it serves to show that this is a topic that people throughout the ages have taken very seriously. And it's made 10x worse with porn. Frankly, I don't think "but your reward system and jacked up dopamines!!!1!!" is a very good sell to make people take it seriously, it's far too abstract and non-personal. Unfortunately non-spiritual types will only take it seriously when they can no longer get an erection with a woman. Then it will dawn on them.
But, there is a certain spiritual quality to nofap, because much of it is an emotional experience which cannot be well described through explicit, cognitive language.
I can't comb through all this thread but just to be clear - it's porn itself that's the problem right? I can still jerk off and be "healthy"? I haven't been in a relationship in a few months now, no way I'm going to stop jerking off entirely. that seems completely unnatural. now as of right now I probably jerk off to porn twice a day which I'm sure is unhealthy.
Porn is the primary problem. If you're going to jack off, just try keeping it to once maybe twice per week, but the less the better. If you were to challenge yourself to and attain 30 days no arousal, you would instantly understand the power of retention. But start off slow if you wish, Jack it 1-2x/week without porn and go from there.
Additional, easier challenge, aimed at the people who think porn isn't a problem. I advise them to select ONE static porn photo and only use that photo when you stroke it for an entire month. Easy? OK try it. Very strictly speaking the problem isn't exactly nakedness on a screen, it's the escalation and boundless novelty which porn offers, keeping you sedated. To anyone who thinks this is easy, what's 1 month to find out whether your assumptions about a life long habit are true or not?
thanks a lot anon, pray for me
Can somebody explain how you do nofap while also doing pp-enlargement? It just gets hard when you’re trying to stretch.