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Trans women are real women
Trans women (women wanting to transition into men) are women
Trans identified males are still biologically male. Not just the AGP's, but also the HSTS. I don't care how well you pass, you're biologically male and basically just transitioned from male to frickhole instead of an actual woman.
>inb4 women are just frickholes anyway right?
You really think that about your own mother and female family members?
>You really think that about your own mother and female family members?
Yes. Just because they aren't a frickhole for you that doesn't make them not a frickhole, frickhead.
Yes. Based
Uncontrollably based
Jesus you guys are brainwashed. My "sister" is trans and he is nowhere near a real woman. Get a fricking job
>Sees people disagreeing with his algorithm fueled opinion
>You guys must be brainwashed!
>disagreeing
No you misunderstand. It is not an opinion. Trans women are not women. Women have veganas, fallopian tubes, and ovaries. Trans women have penises. Saying they are women is absolutely delusional, and so obviously virtue signaling. homosexual.
>Women have veganas, fallopian tubes, and ovaries
Women is a social category homie. You're thinking of the word "female"
>homosexual
I see I've struck a nerve
>Women is a social category homie. You're thinking of the word "female"
Stop feeding them that delusion. You are only confusing them and yourself.
No you misunderstand. It is not an opinion. Women are a social category.
>Women are a social category.
What does that mean? Id like to understand what that means, please
Age is a biological fact, while being a child or adult is a social category (different parts of the world have different beliefs on when you are a child vs adult, and what determines the meaning of these words is societal opinion, not fact. It maps onto fact (age) but is not wholly determined by it.)
In the same way, being male or female (sex) is a biological fact (your choromosomes, skeleton and body parts) while genders like man or woman, and what those words mean, changes from region to region. Like the child vs adult distinction, what determines man vs woman differences is societal, not factual. It maps onto fact (sex) but is not wholly determined by it. For instance, there is no biological fact that determines that men should not like the color pink, be afraid to show their emotions, or dislike chick flicks. These are societal.
Do you have any trans friends? Do you realize how mentally ill they are?
Though i don't really agree with "her" transness i still spend time with my "sister" and her friends. They are all trans. They put on fake, high pitched voices and whine and act like they're 7. These are adult, 30+year old grown males, acting like little girls. It is selfish and wrong. You love to virtue signal but I bet almost anything you dont spend any actual extended amount of time with trans people. If you did, and if you got your head out of your ass, you would immediately understand why telling them they are women is morally wrong. You dont have enough balls to form your own opinions and you would get on your hands and knees if it meant you could get some pussy. People like you are so fricking annoying.
>Do you have any trans friends?
I used to have a few, but I haven't kept in touch.
>Do you realize how mentally ill they are?
They were all fine, fun people to be around. None of them suffered from any mental illness.
>They are all trans. They put on fake, high pitched voices and whine and act like they're 7. These are adult, 30+year old grown males, acting like little girls. It is selfish and wrong.
It sounds like you value your beliefs about trans people more than your sisters happiness. That sounds pretty selfish to me not gonna lie.
>You love to virtue signal but I bet almost anything you dont spend any actual extended amount of time with trans people.
Like I said, I had several trans friends but I haven't kept in touch. What do you want to know?
> If you did, and if you got your head out of your ass, you would immediately understand why telling them they are women is morally wrong
Morally wrong how? They're just living their lives? You're the one who dislikes their happiness.
>You dont have enough balls to form your own opinions and you would get on your hands and knees if it meant you could get some pussy. People like you are so fricking annoying.
Where the frick did this come from? Gee maybe the reason your sister hangs out with all those people is because she knows she'll never get real support and acceptance from her shitty brother who only thinks about what he wants?
>but I haven't kept in touch.
So no, you dont have any trans friends. That answers the question.
>Morally wrong how?
You are lying to them. They are in the middle of a delusion. When my brother came out it was in the midst of covid and all that, and so i was cucked into "accepting" and "embracing" it. I told him it was okay and that i accepted him and love him no matter what, which is true. He was 28 when he came out. For 28 years i had a strong, masculine brother who seemed happy. Now he wears mini skirts and has the temperament of a literal 5 year old. So do all her friends. Trans people live in a bubble. Its why trans people usually only hang out with other trans people. It's why alot of them are terminally online with places like discord. I know this because i am very close with someone who is trans.
>It sounds like you value your beliefs about trans people more than your sisters happiness. That sounds pretty selfish to me not gonna lie.
The frick are you talking about? No honestly, really read your response here. I am making objective claims and you are calling me selfish. I am explaining to you that I, personally, have witnessed a plethora of trans people being lied to by society, their friends, and their family members. Media tells them its okay because they will do anything to obtain a consumer's loyalty, including validating them. You need to go out, find some mtf trans people, and spend days with them. No i dont mean a couple hours at the club. I mean days. See what their habits are. How long you can stand the fake voice. How they interact with people who don't agree with them.
I am my brother's brother and so i will always love him. I will always be on his side. But, looking at the situation objectively, there is something fundamentally wrong with a man who lies to himself, telling himself hes a woman, wearing pink skirts, having a stranger hes never spent more than a day with cutting open his own chest with a knife to make fake breasts.
>having a stranger hes never spent more than a day with cutting open his own chest with a knife to make fake breasts.
And if you honestly, honestly believe this is okay, then thats your opinion i guess. But its taken me a long time to come to terms with the fact that no, this "trans" thing is not real and my brother, and many other mtf, are sick.
>So no, you dont have any trans friends. That answers the question.
??? Your question was about if I have spent any time with trans people> Are you this desperate to not have your view challenged?
>Are you this desperate to not have your view challenged?
You are projecting.
No I'm not. You asked a question that was meant to determine if I knew what trans people are like in real life and now that I've said I do you're changing your goal post.
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Nothing in that post answers what I said. Do you disagree that knowing trans people a year and a half ago means I don't know what trans people are like in real life?
Shut the frick. Just shut the frick up man. Get a job.
>It sounds like you value your beliefs about trans people more than your sisters happiness. That sounds pretty selfish to me not gonna lie.
lgbt-gaslighting detected
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What a great argument. You did very good. Open up here comes a spoonful of algorithm just for you! Brrrrrrrrrr here it comes!
Brrrrrrt!
What pisses nme the frick off about you people is that you are so goddamn moronic you dont know that validating trans people is actively hurting them. Whats more you are hurting them just because you want to be seen as good by other people, which is so fricking arrogant. If someone was convinced that the prince of Nigeria wants to send them $1,000,000 over email and all they have to do is email someone their social security number, you wouldnt encourage that, would you? You are a manipulative, virtue-signaling, selfish homosexual and you need to own up to that so that you can change it. Trans women are not women. They do not have veganas. Yes i understand that genders are social constructs, but that is nearly irrelevant when saying "trans women are women". Because no, they are not. I know women. They have veganaS and BOOBS and CAN BIRTH FRICKING CHILDREN. BIOLOGICAL WOMEN AND MEN ARE DIFFERENT IN SO MANY WAYS AND SIMPLY PUTTING ON SOME MAKEUP DOES NOT MAKE YOU SUDDENLY A MEMBER OF THE OPPOSITE SEX. Literally go touch some grass and spend some time with actual trans people. You will quickly realize that they are not happy, and everything is a facade for them. The best thing you can do for a trans person is to laugh at them and tell them to grow up. I wish i did that when my brother came out.
I am saying this because i am angry but also in hopes that you seriously consider the harm you are doing by validating trans people. You are feeding a delusion. What you are doing is similar to convincing a 4-year-old they are a superhero, and then manipulating them into trying to fly. Then imagine they get fricking /SURGERY/, and put fricking wolverine claws in their knuckles because theyre so convinced that theyre going to save the world. To be 100% clear, "surgery" translates to "a stranger, who you dont know, who comes from a completely different place than you do, dosing you with so much general anesthesia that they are put to sleep, and then cutting into their skin with a knife, and inserting a foreign object into the skin, and then closing it. Think about that for a second. Who in their right mind would want that for themselves? Sounds an awful lot like self harm, doesnt it? If someone was truly happy, truly healthy, why would they have something so violent done to them, not for the purpose of saving their life but for the purpose of vanity? Get your head out of your ass and live in the real fricking world, homosexual.
You guys sound like reasonable people. I can't imagine why the majority of the country doesn't support you.
LMFAO. Bro you are living under a rock. Please get a job. And no im not saying that in a sense of "you are lazy and on IST so go get a job". I mean you are using a PBS News Hour poll to support your selfish virtue-signaling. Im saying get a job because you really need to interact with strong, stable people who are more experienced and skilled than you are.
>majority of the country
Do you know a single person, and i mean, a SINGLE. PERSON. who has filled out this poll? Did you fill it out? Did your parents? Your friends? Where did this poll come from? Who filled it out? Is it even accurate? Im not saying this to be a schizo "cant trust anyone" type thing, im saying this because you have absolutely no idea the true, honest opinions of anyone who filled the poll out, firstly implying that the outcome wasnt hugely influenced by bots. You're under 24, right? I really suggest you go get a job where you work hard under the sun. It will teach you many lessons and get you on the path to a bright future.
>You guys sound like reasonable people.
I know it sounds crazy, but I don't want a stranger to cut into my skin and implant foreign objects to leave them there forever. I know it sounds crazy, but im pretty satisfied with my gender and wish to be a kind, honest husband and strong father figure. Maybe im unreasonable, idk
>I know it sounds crazy, but I don't want a stranger to cut into my skin and implant foreign objects to leave them there forever.
Yeah this is a nuanced understanding of transgender people. Definitely.
Oh the ultimate trump card, "I don't believe this information so it's not true." Stunning.
You sound like you're actually about to have a nice day. And no I'm 30.
Gender dysphoria is a medically recognized condition. By definition they were mentally ill.
>You're the one who dislikes their happiness.
Also thats the thing. They are not happy. Theyre pretending that theyre happy. Validating their illness is just denying the fact that theyre not happy.
Imagine buying into gender theory when you can actually research who developed it and the methods they used in researching / testing it.
Next you’ll be telling us that the only way to fight racism is with racism and throwing out the word privilege.
Feel free to operate within these parameters set out in critical theory - no free thinking individual with half a brain will be joining you.
Wasn’t the dude who pioneered gender theory a pedo? Just curious
Trying to have logical, reasonable discussions with people who've buck-broken their minds with this weird sex-cult State Religion is pointless. My homie these "people" have gotten their brains to a point where they think genital mutilation is medicine for curing confusion, they're just fricking gone man. Just bully them until they go away and leave it at that.
You are a dumb homosexual Black person
IST and /lgbt/ are also the lowest-IQ boards on IST. It's not a coincidence.
homosexual
Cardio is easy
Cardio is my kryptonite... lifting for strength and hypertrophy is 'easy', you get to rest between sets. But there's no rest in steady-state running, it slowly builds and feels tortuous...
Pedaling on a stationary bike or rowing in an air condition room is easy.
Running down the street on concrete in the summer heat takes more effort.
It's easy and i find it funny and enjoying. Also, it kill my appetite while lifting throw me into a bing eating post workout
Vegetables are good for you.
not controversial
objectively wrong, they don't even see themselves as women, thats why they added the trans part
wrong
correct
you haven't seen my nana naked
deadlift sucks for aestetics but helps give you a strong back. Lots of people have weak/bad backs. I would only deadlift what you squat though. Its easy to ego lift, and just doing what you squat (about half of what you can do) does everything you need; if you don't care about looks or vanity lower body only helps you increase test so no point in literally breaking your back if you only care about looks.
hockey is the most fit sport
hahahahaha
whats more than hockey? Maybe wrestling but you aren't on skates and the rounds are only a few minutes. I wrestled and played hockey and hockey definitely kicked my ass more.
Rock climbing and swimming, but those aren't team sports.
Those aren't sports those are activities. Like Golfing.
Not if they're competitive.
Being competitive doesn't make something a sport. Call of duty isn't a sport.
>Y-yes it is !!!
golf is a game, rock climbing is a sport. are you moronic or just pretending
Golf is a competition. Rock climbing is a competition. Neither are sports.
anything endurance based automatically wins. have you run a marathon? biked a century (100mile)? what about a trathalon? yes some organized sports are tough, no denying it, but nothing compares to raw wattage generation endurance. physical, mental, recovery-wise, it wins in every category
Tom Wilson is the most wannabe tough guy in the sport
soccer, playing a game for 90 min as a winger or midfielder is like complete hell just constant sprinting, I remember when i stopped playing for a semester and then played a game in the summer the next day I was so sore I could barley get down the stairs
fighting, quick thinking, have to be strong along the boards, head up at all times yeah i'm thinking based everyone who disagrees loses their being white card
>being white card
I'm not American so I don't need one of these cards, I'm just white
sure mohammed
Yeah. Not much else requires the same levels of strength, size, cardio, agility, hand-eye. I can't think of anything really
>I would only deadlift what you squat
This is only possible if you're built like a mutant midget, or you're half/quarter squatting.
I agree it isn't for aesthetics, for that RDLs are superior, and doing it actively while pumping for numbers is a big tax that can easily interfere with all your other lifts. But nothing competes with it for scratching the GRUG LIFTS HEAVIEST ROCK urge, if you don't have that and only want to be an IG frickboi it doesn't make sense yeh
I am a mutant midget. I am 5'7 215
Post body
>objectively wrong, they don't even see themselves as women, thats why they added the trans part
so true anon, that's why when people say "white man" it's because they realize that they're not real men. now, before i end class, i need you to learn what an adjective is and then have sex. oh, and then have a nice day homosexual.
>deadlift sucks for aestetics but helps give you a strong back.
I agree but I'd caveat you really only need a little bit of weight to develop your back and you can get all the same back gains with good mornings. People on hear defend deadlifting because it's usually their strongest lift and they think it comes with bragging rights that no one actually cares about
The more we support trans women, the more we can relegate real women to the sideline of society.
You only have to workout once per week
Overtraining is a MYTH.
At least for the majority of people. Your mediocre routine won't overtrain you Jimmy. Don't worry to work some muscles everyday.
try deadlifting 7 times a week, 5+ working sets in 3-5 rep range, minimum RPE 8 effort all sets
Here comes another impopular opinion
Deadlifting fricking sucks and is useless
wrong, you suck at it
it's somewhat useful for climbing but I don't see a reason to go much further past 2x bodyweight
Its useful in literally every sport. If you have never deadlifted, you can literally feel the difference in how quickly you can move after even your first day of deadlifts
No one does that
>you can fatigue your CNS by doing some dumb shit therefore high volume is bad
>overtraining would happen if you did this crazy thing nobody does
So you're admitting overtraining is not a thing in practice?
Every one is different. Im 38. When i train every day i see zero growth minimal weight added to my lifts and start having tendon pain. When I do 3-4 a week I see improvement and feel great. Rest times are important especially when youre older and not on gear.
Rest is important if you care about the weight you're lifting. You can make plenty of hypetrophy gains without getting 'stronger'
Bluepilled
>t. hasn't actually tried trying
I had overtraining symptoms once upon a time. In the army our plt sgt was all about Dat crossfit. We did a lot of crazy shit. Running up and down stairs in body armor. Hill sprints with calisthenics. Lots of stuff. Hated it. Felt like too much cardio and endurance no strength training. I would hit the gym for lunch on a 2 day upper/lower split 6 days per week. After about 2 months of this my legs felt like absolute shit. It felt like they were hollowed out. I understood what old people meant when they said they could feel the wind blow right through them. Shit was painful all the time. I don't know what happened but I went to the doc and got on profile. No leg exercises for 2 weeks, and I was good again.
It is not. My back day has usually 3-4 exercises, I do 3-4 sets and some of them to failure. I might do an easier back workout once more in a week, but that is the limit.
Doing +30 sets to failure a week is not hard but that is WAAAY overtraining.
If you haven't over trained, you have never gone hard.
Idk, my weights have always gone up after a deload-week
In the past 3 months I took every excersice to failure 3-4 days a week. Had a 500kcal surplus. The first months my lifts blew up, the second month they started to plateau, and they started going down the third month. Had to stop lifting because the back pain started getting absolutely unbearable.
For the majority of in-shape, young people, yes I'd agree.
When I was lifting weights in my 20's I trained every single day and saw improvement from week to week with little plateauing.
I'm now in my late 30's and I only train 3 times a week but the muscles I'm training are by far stronger than I was in my youth and I've seen consistent growth with little plateauing. I couldn't imagine training every day because I'd have absolutely no energy to grow.
Both in my youth and now I train for two hours. It's not sustainable at an older age and is counterproductive.
if your only hobby is working out you're just a boring frick
>hobbies make you interesting
Imagine using a scheduled activity as a substitute personality.
, but you are right.
The most important aesthetic muscles are the traps. Long pants with a t-shirt is the peak IST fit; nobody looks good in shorts.
>The most important aesthetic muscles are the traps
This is the most moronic thing I've ever read
>nobody looks good in shorts
lol, i do. i get a lot of compliments on my legs
every body type is beautiful
Having big vanity muscles isn't 'fit'
How is that controversial
>Trans women are real women
If I could live my life without hearing from transgenders, whether from the right or the left, I would be so happy
Monster~ How should I feel? Creatures lying here, looking though the window~
Not to be a generational warfare guy but, Gen-Z is on average skinnier, less bulky, and less athletic than previous generations, probably because they spend all their time online and on youtube and becoming e-experts in everything instead of actually doing the work.
No shit. They also have the least free testosterone of any generation in human history
The generation before that also flat-lined average life expectancy. It was going up for a while. Boomers are a walking generation, ask one to sprint.
Boomers are old. Their personalities are undeniably higher t than the generations after though. High t now is acting like a dickhead or a criminal
when everything is against the law everyone is a criminal - Ron Paul
I'm a zoomer. You're right about the average part, I think, but we're multimodal.
Those of us who work out mog the shit out of you boomers. Those of us who don't are, like you said, terminally online and either rail-thin or obese.
It's really horrifying how badly social media and smartphones destroyed my generation and I fricking weep for the alphies. I'm glad I'm one of the survivors. We'll be studied extensively by the sociologists and archaeologists of the future.
Starting Strength is a great program that is aimed at pushing one from novice level (Make gains every workout day) to the intermediate level. It's just that most people don't actually follow the process it takes to get there so they wind up turning into a T-Rex or some shit.
Starting strength is much more than a program, but one needs more than 2 digit IQ to understand the lifting mechanics and line of reasoning included in the book. People always appeal to authority in fitness, never to reason, and SS appeals to reason
Well congratulations that is an unpopular opinion
The posts shitting on SS all come from morons who saw a program called Starting Strength and expected it to be anything other than a strength training program for beginners.
it's quite the opposite
SS is an intermediary program, at least as envisoined by Bill Starr
Ripple toes retro fitting it as a novice template has caused innumerable sufferings
actually yeah, fricking squats and power cleans for someone who NEVER LIFTED WEIGHTS before? Ridiculous
yes i agree. a program from the 1970s for high school football players just is not going to be appropriate for highly unatheletic, sedentary 21st century westerners. on the rare occasion people ask me how to start in the gym i suggest doing a weird sort of combination of "functional" movements and body building with the intention of 1) not immediately going to snap city 2) basically "getting better at your body". short version is things like lunges, goblet squats, lots of chin up progressions and push ups and so forth. I think dumbbells are a useful tool at this point but now is not the time. Once they are broadly proficient at "using their body" then yea, have a dedicated period to try to max out noob gains and something like a 3x5 or 5x5 is fine.
Lol SS was fricking awesome i did that shit as my first program years ago.
We're not all gonna make it.
Red meat is unhealthy, is not controversial in the science literature investigating it but inside the fitness community which is filled with gurus is a controversial thing
~~*science literature*~~
interesting how often it's
>red and processed meat
not that anon but no, you really should not eat more than 500 grs of red meat every week, and if you are eating a kg a week you really should consider reducing it down to a manageable level
I'm sharing what I've witnessed, I'd love to see contradicting data
upon further online research I actually failed to come up with studies that could back my claims against consuming unprocessed meat and the study I got my numbers also steers away from unprocessed meat in the end
I'll actually ask this to some folk in sciences I know and will have an open mind about this
Thanks for replying, anon. We've gotta keep the food "science" industry accountable, given what it's done in the past (*cough*ancelkeys*cough*)
Been cutting since April. I eat 250g of buttered beef, 200g of noodles, and 100g of cheese a day. Never had a single issue with cardio, libido, ED, or general health. Methinks these "studies" claiming meat and dairy are bad for you are total bunk.
>inb4 a Skyrim npc comes out of the woodwork to tell me I'm gonna die of a heart attack at 40
You can just eat red meat that is lean instead of fatty.
nitrates in sausages and dried meats like salami aren't actually bad and have basically the same effect on bloodflow as taking arginine or citrulline
Scientific literature is almost completely worthless in regards to diet
>contradictory
>stronger than usual financial and ideological conflicts of interest
>half these studies don't control for calories
>those that do very rarely assign calories according to a person's BMR and instead put all the subjects on the same amount of calories irrespective of exact weight, activity, and body composition
>observational studies are liberal arts tier, giving far too much freedom for the investigator to cherry pick what population attributes to report on when pushing X diet
Dietary science is so utterly fricked that the most intelligent thing you can do is see what globohomosexual advocates and do the exact opposite.
2 sets of amrap is all you need for growth
3x anything is stupid as you typically don't push yourself in the 1st set, and are too tired for the 3rd
Pure strength training (powerlifting, 1 rep maxes...) is unnatural and a mistake.
to add to that, the only real "strength" training you can do has to be incorporating some type of cardio & dynamic movements (think rugby / roman wrestling training)
powerlifting is just ultra specific niche coping with no carryover in anything other than said niche
>no carryover in anything
you do realize every rugby and wrestling team at competitive levels employ some form of basic strength compound lift training?
congratulations on being profoundly wrong and moronic on the internet today, anon
they dont 1RM or 90% on SBD moron
for example deadlift is NEVER used in their training, always RDL and its for reps, bench is NEVER used, always variation
keep coping tho
>they dont 1RM or 90% on SBD moron
>for example deadlift is NEVER used in their training, always RDL and its for reps, bench is NEVER used, always variation
Confirmed moron. Maybe your dyel team doesn't, but the winners do.
Ballet dancing is the best male workout.
For calves maybe
Working out with intensity is far more important than consistency. A man who works out 30 mins a day 4x a week at full intensity will end up with a better physique than someone who works out 6 days a week for an hour each day focusing on “hypertrophy”.
>4* a week isn't consistency
Fricking moron.
More controversial than what?
cardio is more important than lifting, but you'll only find this out when it's too late
True. 31 and wish i took it as seriously as weights when i was younger. Would have looked better and the ‘killing your gains’ myth is mostly a boogeyman if youre doing periodized progression. Its just about finding one you like and giving it moderate effort a few days a week for 30-60 minutes
Getting intimate with a fertile woman for 5 minutes will shoot your testosterone up like crazy. 29 year old khhv here, went to a concert recently where I took advantage of my noob lifting gains to grind on a b***h. I grabbed her butt, squeezed her thighs, she didn't seem to mins as I wasn't timid and hesitant which girls probably dig. Groping her like she's my puppy and I'm the rightful owner. When I went home that night I shot the biggest load of my life. It erupted like a volcano in every direction just like in my teenage days.
Right up until you finish anon. Sex before a workout is absolutely an intensity killer
Deadlift is pointless, you get the same benefits for your back from just doing squats.
If it wasn't easy to deadlift a lot of plates, people wouldn't give half as much of a shit about the move as they do now. People do it mainly because it's easy to move a lot of plates.
Bench press is fairly pointless, you can do incline bench and get the same progression in your flat bench and more.
t. fricked up chest and can't really flat bench but can do incline and my flat bench goes up just the same as it did before my injury.
The phrases “more reps = more aesthetics” and “less reps = more strength” are false and moronic. Everyone I’ve seen saying this in real life is a dyel. 5x5 is the correct way to do compounds for both strength and aesthetics.
It’s ok to ego lift a little bit. People who complain about ego lifting on here are usually the ones who make no progress because they aren’t progressive overloading.
Depends on what you mean by ego lift. As you get stronger you HAVE to cheat a little bit. Like curling 80s, you need a little bit of momentum to get the movement started. Same with heavy lateral raises. But it’s controlled cheating, seen in the top bodybuilders. It’s not some skinny kid catback deadlifting 3 plates
Yeah I was referring to the controlled cheating. Some people on here are autistic enough to believe that if you don’t have perfect form on every rep, then that is ego lifting, therefore bad.
Jesus christ the amount of wrong here. Cheating is inefficient for strength gains and it's inefficient for building muscle. Eat, more, get rest, be consistent. Accept that progress is slow after newb gains. God this board is as stupid a r/Fitness
>God this board is as stupid a r/Fitness
probably more so, by a lot.
Counting calories is moronic if you can't use your intuition you are never going to make it
Actually, counting calories is essential for most people, at least at first. If they don’t count calories, their intuition will be wrong. Completely wrong.
Complete moron.
You don't need more than .75 g / lb of protein.
You must have a kitchen scale to succeed.
Intensity is king for both cardio and weightlifting.
>You must have a kitchen scale to succeed
Eh definitely a hot take but what do i know
I have more respect for fat people who are regularly active than I do for skinny dyels who never go outside
It just shows ignorance because the reason most fat people exercise is to lose weight and it's simply impossible to maintain weight-loss until you realize that weight-loss is 99% diet. Hard to respect somebody that hasn't figured out the one thing they have to do to not be obese is stop shoveling food in their mouth.
Barbell movements are generally inferior to non-barbell movements. The main reason barbell movements are the most popular is because barbells and plates are the most standardised pieces of equipment across every gym.
Kind of agree with this one. I’ve had far better results doing dumbbells and cables only for everything except legs.
Yeah there are some exceptions. This is why I say generally. Even for legs, I’ve had way better results doing smith machine split squats and trap bar deadlifts. My proportions are strange though - I think people with normal proportions are fine with squats and deadlifts.
trap bar is better for everything except standard squats. neutral grip is the most comfortable on the wrists and the bar never restricts ROM
Definitely agree. With trap bar, the bar moves around you. With barbell, you have to move around the bar. Even with squats, there is an argument to be made that you could do trap bar hack squats using a deficit and get good quad gains.
>The main reason barbell movements are the most popular is because barbells and plates are the most standardised pieces of equipment across every gym.
You don't need much protein to build muscle, by not getting your ideal daily intake your body will build muscle with the few proteins it has access to to stock them in the form of muscles.
Sorry anon, not true. Your body will prioritize utilizing protein for maintaining every other tissue in the body before it will build new skeletal muscle. You may not need 3g/lb, but you need to increase your protein if you're going to build muscle.
Focusing on the compounds in their basic form is moronic for most lifters.
>flat bench
Will leave most with an unaesthetic chest if that’s their main chest exercise
>low bar flat squat
Unaesthetic turnip thighs. Potentially ok if you’re a manlet but if you’re a manlet why not take advantage of the fact you can do high bar far more easily and murder your quads. Fricking up your joints to pursue pointless numbers is not remotely worth it unless you’re a powerlifter and even then it’s kind of stupid
>deadlift
Actually have nothing against conventional, I do it. People are far too focused on the weight though because it’s the easy lift to hit impressive numbers.
Bros do curls shoulders lats abs upper chest because that’s what makes you look good. For the average guy to spend lots of time and effort on working out and nutrition just to look like a redditor because vanity muscles bad bro split bad is mind boggling to me
Short women eating only 800 calories a day is not an eating disorder.
I am better than every single one of you and any evidence proving contrary is purely circumstantial, an illusion, a false comparison or you're a fricking troony.
Don't (you) me, I'm too good for you.
False, I'm better than you QED
You should train for athletics, not aesthetics. Athletes look far better than bodybuilders (or powerlifters, lel). Crucially you'll look better in real life (not just still pictures) because you can always tell someone who knows how to use their body
Skinny fats should cut before bulking.
Early strength gains are neuromuscular and don’t need a big or any surplus.
Most men look better scrawny with a defined face than still having a chubby face and slightly more muscle mass.
In general, noobs shouldn’t bulk hard until they’re actually strong enough and coordinated enough to push themselves hard. I see guys bulking who are gaining pure fat because they lack the lifting experience to get close to failure.
>Most men look better scrawny with a defined face than still having a chubby face and slightly more muscle mass.
/This
Chest expanders and power twister bars are actually useful gimmicky items
>PPL is the best routine
>Espresso is the best pre-workout
>Darwinian diet is the best diet
>Sleep on the floor
>Train at altitude and eat dead bodies on Mt Everest
>Beat up random people for test boost
>>PPL is the best routine
facts
>>PPL is the best routine
Wrong
Chest and back
Shoulders and arms
Legs
You hit arms 4 times ouf of that split with ppl you only hit tris and bis twice a week at most
Wrong
Chest/tris
Back/bis (and forearms)
Legs/shoulders
simple as
CICO is technically true but it is still moronic advice, it is like telling a poor person to just make more money. It is better to focus on the quality of food rather than quantity since ultra processed slop is proven to be less satieating than healthier food
>CICO is technically true but it is still moronic advice, it is like telling a poor person to just make more money
How? Anyone can do simple maths. I agree that focusing on "eating healthy" and avoiding slop is a very good place to start, underrated advice even.
Kinda moronic, Anon. CICO is true.
The only caveat is whether or not a person understands how many calories they're consuming.
Like, if you eat a heaping spoon of peanut butter and think it's only 190 calories but you actually at 3 serving sizes, or closer to 600 calories.
>if you eat a heaping spoon of peanut butter and think it's only 190 calories but you actually at 3 serving sizes, or closer to 600 calories
Literally me but deep down I know it's more calories but PB is my kryptonite
Same but the gf is anaphylactic
Agree. That comparison is a nice way of illustrating the point too. I think everyone knows what they have to do to lose weight but not everyone knows how to go about it.
>it is like telling a poor person to just make more money
keked hard
Agree. Even just telling a fat frick to eat more protein and less carbs is more useful.
quite the opposite. it's like telling a rich person to lose money since fatties are dealing with a surplus
No. It really is this simple. Former fatty here. You're lying to yourself if you're still fat and pretending to count calories. Try skipping a few days of eating every week. Yes, literally not eating for a day at a time or more. It really is that easy if you stop pigging out.
Cheat reps are neither better nor worse than strict form as long as the exercise is controlled and you're not putting harmful pressure on your skeleton/tendons. Claiming a "cheat rep" as your max is still cringy, but using cheat reps to gain strength/size should be encouraged in certain circumstances. A cheat bicep curl is a more holistic exercise that focuses on all the surrounding muscles of the bicep, rather than just the bicep, for example.
Fitness is a combination of three core pillars: diet, sleep and exercise. Diet is the most important with sleep being a close second. Exercise is the least important by a large margin but is still beneficial.
always prioritize certain areas instead of training everything equally in an attempt to build a "balanced" physique
also don't train legs until you have an upper body you can be proud of (16 inch arms, six-pack, wide chest and back)
trying to be too smart while being moronic can frick up your cut, your body and the rest of your life
t. lived experience
We all just need a pale, brownhaired ponytail wearing gf with a cute face and slight autism to serve, the only reason we lift is to don't let our intrusive thoughts win.
The obesity crisis will NOT "solve itself"
Fat fricks have kids, they will raise them with their same habits and the cycle repeats.
Not only that but these hogs are starting to live longer than they should. Boogie should have died 10 years ago.
Meth should be legalized as a pre workout we already have methadone clinics I need that intensity
methadone is a low strength opioid given to ex-fent and heroin addicts, not methamphetamine
There's literally no proof that isolations build muscles better. I guess that's a fact rather than opinion because I'm serious there is *zero* proof that this is the case.
Fricking twinks does in fact make you gay
fricking trannies makes you super straight tho
You don’t need to devour protein like a madman and could realistically get away with 1g per 1kg of body weight, the main thing is making sure you’re eating mostly whole foods and training with progressive overload in mind
Working out is not fun
yea i hate working out, i just do it. the only people who enjoy it are masochists and i dont respect anything about them
I don't hate it but boy is it not fun
Not for me
But the satisfaction you get after finishing it makes it worth it
What is not fun about it?
You're pushing yourself in a challenge that is relatively safe and the results not only improve your health but improve how you look.
The actual act of lifting weights also isn't painful and even if you're going hard it's not that uncomfortable. Then again I'm not competing or anything but I think it's a decent way to kill an hour or so while you better yourself.
Idk it's just not fun dude. I still do it. It's just not fun to do
its not meant to be fun homosexual
Well now you tell me
>I'll show them how based I am patbateman.png he's just like me!!
He sure is
no.
>build home gym
>blast your own music
>literally scream on your heaviest reps to get the bar up
Lifting in a commercial gym is not fun but in a home gym is good tier
God tier*
I do have a home gym
Same but it's still not fun
Everything I guess?? Donno. It's just not fun
Don't understand this. I feel great while doing it. Infact if I'm depressed as soon as I do a few sets I feel clearer.
what?
Is it the exercises in themselves, because you can just do other, similar exercises, or is it just the situation (being in public and displaying your gains/nogains to everyone)?
>do set
>that was hard, a bit tired
>do set
>that was hard, more winded and kind of thirsty
>do set
>only one more to go. this sucks
>final set
>good workout. thank God that shit's over
it is like this with every exercise. where is the fun?
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Most of the people who lifted more than me are shooting shit or consuming something pharmaceutical that makes them super strong.
The Conventional Deadlift is just an egolifting perversion of the Romanian Deadlift. Dudes who argue over Sumo vs Conventional are kettles and pots calling each other Black folk.
wtf is up with this weird ass b***hass homie looking
motherfricker's face
Decent cardio is a requirement for being fit. If you can't run 10km in 60min, you're not in good shape.
if your main goal in fitness is to look good you're a homosexual and should kys
We are not all going to make it. With all factors being the same, the average person only makes 50% of the gains someone who is genetically (same time, diet, training).
genetically gifted*. A normal range for first year muscle gains with proper diet and training is 5-15 lbs, so there could literally be a 200% difference in gains between two people although they're doing everything the same.
>black pilled posts
>science studies facts
>white pilled posts
>just shower bro
yep
eating locally sourced organic meat & veg with a generally active lifestyle will make you bigger and stronger than someone hitting the gym but eating poison
at the moment I do less exercise than I used to but i'm finally progressing on year long plateaus with a change in diet. No change in macros mind, just how they are sourced
STOP EATING SUPERMARKET "MEAT"
My neighbors wife, another neighbor and I split a cow into thirds its pretty nice
Im not into open relationships but that does sound nice.
kek I wish her husband is a bro I wouldn't think twice if he wasn't tho
Also,
Rugby > any and all weightlifting "sports"
Training legs is really not necessary. We just do it because we don't want to be one of those entry level guys. I train legs once a week and am worried they are mogging my upper body too much.
bodybuilders are trannies
Calories in calories out is simplifiying a coplex understanding of how people gain and lose weight. It's like saying the economy is money in money out. It's true but only because the person saying it is too lazy or stupid to learn what complex mechanisms are causing the ins and outs.
Rest is important, but so is pushing yourself. "programs" are gay and fake. Just work out till you feel tired, eat, sleep, then do it again. Gym 3x a week is basically pointless. At least 5x.
Deadlifts are pretty worthless after a certain point. There's no reason to go beyond pulling 4 plates unless your competing.
troonylovers are dangerous in that they are feeding into desperately mentally ill peoples delusions
its not healthy, and you need to stop so these poor people can get the actual care they need
you need to stop helping people self harm, it's actually insane
bump
Take a week or two off from the gym every so often to re-sensitize your body to hypertrophy pathways. Less gains in the short term, but more gains in the long term.
Bulking and cutting are a meme after a certain point (upper intermediate)
Cardio is not a meme
>Deadlifting for hypertrophy is stupid
>Stabilizer muscles aren't a thing and don't make your muscles bigger. If anything the more stable the exercise already is the better it will be to allow the target muscles to produce force and get stimulus.
>Squats aren't necessary for big quads
Tomboys are stinky and annoying
Yeah that’s kind of the point anon. I trudge through a mile of knee-deep hot oil just to be able to lick the sweaty, hairy pits of a sweaty short-haired racially ambiguous small-titty fat-ass tomboy. Idiot
I suspect that there is more to weight gain and loss than CICO. Like, yes if you drop your CI enough eventually you'll lose weight, but it seems like your CO can have a VERY large range. Though basically just self testing I've found that I maintain a steady weight on anywhere from 2000 to 3500 calories. The difference is if I'm eating 3500 I just feel energized, alert, and warm, and when I'm eating 2000 I feel cold, tired, and weak. It's like my body is just ratcheting down or overclocking all of its systems based on how much I eat, and only if I drop down below 2000 do I actually dip into fat reserves and start to lose weight.
Better to be underweight than overweight.
Maybe not controversial here, but when this topic came up at my workplace I was quickly made aware that it was.
>t. moron
Seethe.
>Jacking off is bad for your gains. If you need to cum, do it with a woman.
>Zinc supps are essential because the modern Western diet is devoid of actual nutrients.
>Whey protein is useless factory slop. Just eat more beef and milk.
>Pay attention to what steppe nomads used to eat and imitate it, cause most steppe tribes were so strong, they could rampage around Eurasia unopposed until their leader died of old age.
>Calisthenics is infinitely better for upper body strength and aesthetics. Replace your bench press and rows with weighted dips and pull ups.
>If you can't do a pistol squat, you're too fat.
>There is literally no barrier to entry when it comes to weightlifting. As long as you have heavy pieces of stone or metal, and a horizontal tree branch nearby, you can make decent gains while saving up for a gym membership.
>Don't ever take lifting advice from someone who can't OHP 1pl8. Any self-respecting man should hit 1pl8 in their first year of training, so if your friend can't do it, he's either too inexperienced to give good advice, or he has no idea how to train properly.
>All advice given by fitness influencers is fake or inaccurate. Never trust someone who's side hustle is selling supplements and posting ads.
>The "wii fit and zumba" meme is fake. People will respect you a lot more if you're honest about how hard you train, as long as your personality doesn't revolve around lifting. Even double digit IQ normies can see through your facade.
>When you're at parties or in the club, don't bring up sports. At all. People will think you're a gay if you randomly start talking about the gym. Someone will eventually address the elephant in the room, and there'll be mires aplenty.
>Any self-respecting man should hit 1pl8 in their first year of training
God damnit
>Zinc supps are essential because the modern Western diet is devoid of actual nutrients.
Anytime i take zinc supplements i get super nauseated. I've tried different brands and strengths but it seems like zinc everyday is way too much for me. I've tried like every third day taking like half a tablet and the only thing I notice is that I am even more horny than usual and want nothing except to frick. Even after I cum I stay hard and want to immediately go again and again until my dick hurts and I physically cannot cum anymore
That's a good thing. I've been meditating for a few months and I figured out that if you sublimate your insanely high libido into productive things like lifting, working, and hobbies, you'll become a much better person.
If I hit a pr deadlifting or just have a really good sets i post about how critical deadlifting is and how its the best exercise. But if I fail a pr or have a shitty few sets I post about how conventional deadlifting is stupid and dangerous and that there is no reason to do it
dips >> flat bench press
Unless you're planning on competing at a high level, the following is a waste of time, money, effort, and health:
>Anabolic steroids
>Olympic lifts
>Powerlifting
>Cutting below 10% BF
>Doing repeated bulk and cut cycles
Why no Olympic lifts? Having the ability to squat and dealift heavy weight is very useful
No they aren't, when was the last time going heavy on either of those lifts proved useful outside of the gym.
Doing farm work and lifting animals as a vet tech. Most people can't lift a 120lbs sedated dog or, without equipment, pick up and move 30 10ft fence posts. Also moving furniture and stuff like a refrigerator without help is very useful
Lifting those things without assistance is stupid, unless you have absolutely no choice. Risking additional harm to the animals, and risking harm to yourself. For what? Ego?
Sometimes there is no choice nor is there proper equipment to help. But saying that lifting things to get stuff done is ego just because you don't like squatting sounds pretty homosexual to me
Only when there is absolute no other choice, and how often does that happen? What kind of shitty vet doesn't have proper equipment or additional staff? Rent a fricking fridge cart/dolly if your moving, get some friends to help, fricking hire people.
Lol why do you hate squatting so much? If you were just talking about like clean and jerk I'd agree with you but to be on IST saying to just hire people or rent equipment to move objects that are at most like 250lbs is so fricking gay and makes you sound like a useless little b***h. Being strong is useful because you don't need to spend money hiring people or buy/rent equipment to do something that would be easy after like 1 year of strength training.
Nice grasping and cope, I never said I hated squats or deadlifts, just that going heavy with them is not useful outside of the gym.
I never said that I go heavy with them. I just said they are useful for things outside of the gym and that is a fact. Someone who can squat 2pl8s for reps is more useful than someone who can't squat 2pl8s at all. I don't know what the point of diminishing return is but any natural lifter that isn't just doing crossfit or ego lifting for social media would definitely benefit from squatting which is an Olympic lift.
>"I don't need proper equipment or help, thats for pussies and homos. I'll move heavy awkward shit all day every day.
Imagine ego lifting outside of the gym.
Was this not you earlier?
>Why no Olympic lifts? Having the ability to squat and dealift heavy weight is very useful
Forgot to link
That wasn't me. I've never done any squats or dealifts that would be considered "heavy" by lifters
Then I apologize.
So what is your workout plan like without any Olympic lifts? Kettle bells? Or do you just oppose heavy Olympic lifts for normal people?
Olympic lifts require a high degree of technical skill and are almost impossible to learn without coaching. Unless you compete in that sport, the benefit to reward ratio is heavily skewed toward risk. There's nothing they offer that you can't do safer and more efficiently. Olympic lifts are good for Olympic lifts
Well said, thank you.
there is absolutely no reason to be deadlifting unless you're competing (in deadlifting)
I want to pick stuff up the ground.
Checkmate.
You don't need to have high strength numbers to look good or be healthy. Eating natural foods and working out 3x a week with basic bodyweight bullshit and cardio will have you looking and feeling better than 99% of the population.
Homelander, Patrick Bateman, Joker, and Ryan Gosling "Literally Me!!!!" memes are dogshit and are ruining the board. This place hasn't been fun since 2016. Also Mentzer's "High-Intensity-Training" is severely underrated.
>Mentzer's high intensity training is underrated
He didn't even use it and the only pro who has come close to using it is Dorian, who still used a shit ton of volume despite his claim of one working set and still ran himself into the ground with injuries because of it. There's a reason anyone who is actually big doesn't use it.
Resting more and lifting once a week its actually the finalpill.
>t. been through everything
Ez bar curls are far overused. Most people don't know that they put more strain on the Brachialis than the heads of the bicep. Most people don't train hard enough.
>Ez bar curls are far overused.
what should someone do instead then
If you wish to increase the overall size of the bicep, standing straight-bar curls are generally the best course of action. Ez bars are not useless nor are they harmful to your development, but they are often used where a straight-bar would be more applicable.
Some people are just never gonna make it. Their genetics are so shitty that they'll either have to wholy dedicate their life to lifting to look slightly above average or roid. Pursuing bodybuilding is a waste of time for these people and will just cause more problems in the long run.
microdosing shrooms before a workout is fine and may even help intensity if not done regularly.
>>flat bench
>Will leave most with an unaesthetic chest if that’s their main chest exercise
What's a better alternative? I just want a carson Garrett chest