Why not exploit this placebo as a nonbeliever? You don't believe in it anyway and theres no harm in it, so the refusal of prayer has no pragmatic basis.
It has an idealist basis though albeit however. Something ignorant mongrels like you wouldnt understand. Go keep praying to your idol that we put on a cross. LOL!
That is what i was getting at, your worldview isn't based on indifference as you like to claim but hostility. The fact is prayer has good effects (whether it be God's grace or placebo) and it is useful for everyone.
but anon prayer doesn't have to be Christian
there is muslim prayer, hindu prayer, even buddhist prayer, and many others I'd wager; you don't have to associate it with any dogmatic belief system, you can just open your heart and listen
basically meditation with a wholesome intention of love and wellbeing for everyone and everything
Be careful when you pray.
Have you seen those stories of the new AI+brainwave scanner tech that can read peoples minds at a distance? It's not just the God of Abraham that is listening in on prayers now. Just be careful.
>ever going to hell >when I know Jesus Christ loves me >when I love Jesus Christ >when I aknowledge Him with all my heart
When I'll die I'll ask Him to grant mercy to every one of you, just as He did to me.
>jesus loves someone actively calling people Black folk and wishing death upon them, gays, and israelites
i don’t think so pal. jesus is not blue eyed and blonde
The Lord’s Prayer
Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.
>and forgive us our trespasses, >as we forgive those who trespass against us,
It should be noted that most don't interpret this line correctly. Most read it as "forgive our wrong doings, as we forgive others wrong doings" but the word "as" is key.
It means forgive our sins AS we forgive like sins in others. Do not ask to be forgiven for a sin you would not forgive in another person against you, and don't expect such.
There's many ways
The main thing to do is to make it your own - whether you believe in God or not, prayer is not about reciting some specific set of words or whatever else, it's about you opening up and letting the emotions, both bad and good, trauma, pain, joy, gratitude, all flow out from you
I usually pray in bed before sleep, first I close my eyes and then let myself settle into the darkness and the "being-ness" around me, feel around in the darkness of your eyelids and of your consciousness
then I think about love, I think about the things that have troubled me and made me sad, and I think about the things that made me happy, I think about how grateful I'm for the people and other good things in my life, about how much I love the ones close to me, sometimes I just feel around with these but often I talk in my mind as if somebody were listening
and I think somebody is listening, but even if you don't, it still brings immense benefit for one's mental health to stop suppressing all these feelings and let them flow and spill out, you let the bad leave and you hold the good closer and cherish it that much more, feeling the love and gratefulness you have for it
Oh and also of course you can ask for help in some ways, too. I don't think it's about asking for x event to happen specifically, but more like asking to be lead in the right way, I think that can often work much better - I ask for things to be as they should be, and really, I don't think they can ever be actually different; people with all these post-death experiences who then come back as a result of being resuscitated speak of understanding that, actually, everything is just absolutely perfect and going according to the divine plan and it can never not be as such. Yet one is able to decide by themselves if they want to see God in the world and act according as such, with love, and be lead by it, or not. Maybe that sounds paradoxical and it might not make sense, I don't know, I don't have all the answers (hence all the "I think"s in the above paragraph), just the way that I interpret the information I've encountered and the experiences I've lived.
Anyway if you just try it I think you'll find that it is a very wholesome and lovely feeling practice and that it benefits your mental wellbeing. It's not like there's much work to be done lying down in bed waiting to fall asleep, hy not pray for a bit?
I usually just rock back and forth throwing my arms in the air yelling
WOLOLO WOLOLO WOLOLO WOLOLO for about 20 minutes. More and more of my neighbors started doing it since I started.
The easiest way to explain god is like this:
Whatever force brought life from a couple molecules to what now exists, surely knows the path from our current situation to the future.
And that might be very catastrophic for one individual, but I've found God is not very concerned on the individual level. One's life does not belong to himself, but to society.
These days heroin and meth are the opium of the masses, so one point for "scientific progress".
The Templars sure did a fricking number on global society and normies.
So is speaking in tongues and dancing with venomous snakes. You need the boundaries of the occult. Have you ever done a piss and shit unleashing? Get naked, rub excrement on yourself, cover yourself in piss, dance around in your backyard saying "I AM THE SHIT OF THE EARTH!" and when you're done, go into your shower, let the water wash over you, and say "I am no longer the shit of the Earth, I am something clean and better." It simulates bringing you to your rock bottom and then bouncing off of it in a controlled fashion. The benefits are enormous.
>going to sleep >sleep thoughts randomly wander around >eventually get to a sincere prayer for the salvation of humanity >not praying to anything or anyone in particular >immediately afterwards can literally feel my brain jumble, like it was a box full of soft Lego and someone shook it vigorously for half a second
Very weird experience. I'm not religious or spiritual in any way
That's the idea Christ-bro
Islam
but all prayer is therapeutic
Not all spirituality comes out of Israel, frick off
>W...what else could imageboards be wrong about...?
>coping is actually really therapeutic wtf
Yes
It's part of human behavior lol, what are you a lesser lifeforms? Kek
How did u know I was brown?
What sort of prayer do you do? Christian prayer?
He was on IST earlier, ranking Slayer albums by most blasphemous content. Sick.
wait until you become Eastern Orthodox
It's just an objectively worse form of meditation.
this; it's just meditation on top of a lot of dogma. Cut the fat off.
my whole life I feel like I've just been playing prayer-ball
Whatever brings (you) peace is the best form of prayer/meditation.
holy shit Miura really was one of a kind. rip
>server admin demands you kiss his ass in chat daily or he bans you
placebo
Why not exploit this placebo as a nonbeliever? You don't believe in it anyway and theres no harm in it, so the refusal of prayer has no pragmatic basis.
It has an idealist basis though albeit however. Something ignorant mongrels like you wouldnt understand. Go keep praying to your idol that we put on a cross. LOL!
That is what i was getting at, your worldview isn't based on indifference as you like to claim but hostility. The fact is prayer has good effects (whether it be God's grace or placebo) and it is useful for everyone.
>God's grace
Lmao. Yeah bro keep begging to your g*d i am sure he will grant you his "grace" just like he did to those kids with bone cancer!
You are acting irrational.
Pray for me, Black person.
>g*d
Hellbound israelite. Denounce the talmud.
I denounce the talmud and all your desert Black person homosexualry. My ancestors killed your prophet btw 😀
>though albeit however
have a nice day.
>though albeit however
KEK
but anon prayer doesn't have to be Christian
there is muslim prayer, hindu prayer, even buddhist prayer, and many others I'd wager; you don't have to associate it with any dogmatic belief system, you can just open your heart and listen
basically meditation with a wholesome intention of love and wellbeing for everyone and everything
>Go keep praying to your idol that we put on a cross
you are not a roman legionary
Or did you mean we as in israelites ?
puthebo
hurr durrrrr
>meditative
>calming
>connects you with your ancestors and cultural traditions
no shit it's calming
Well placebo effect works.
Oh wow, something that's been part of every human culture from the beginning of written history has a purpose? Who would have guessed
You’re going to hell for posting here. Praying now isn’t going to save you
Be careful when you pray.
Have you seen those stories of the new AI+brainwave scanner tech that can read peoples minds at a distance? It's not just the God of Abraham that is listening in on prayers now. Just be careful.
>ever going to hell
>when I know Jesus Christ loves me
>when I love Jesus Christ
>when I aknowledge Him with all my heart
When I'll die I'll ask Him to grant mercy to every one of you, just as He did to me.
>jesus loves someone actively calling people Black folk and wishing death upon them, gays, and israelites
i don’t think so pal. jesus is not blue eyed and blonde
Yeah, I knew this for years. It's like meditation, it has been shown that the repetition and focus in prayer helps relax you.
Teach me how to pray. Everybody keeps telling me to let Jesus handle it. How do I do that
Jesus teaches a very specific prayer to recite if you can't think of what to pray for.
The Lord’s Prayer
Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.
Amen.
>and forgive us our trespasses,
>as we forgive those who trespass against us,
It should be noted that most don't interpret this line correctly. Most read it as "forgive our wrong doings, as we forgive others wrong doings" but the word "as" is key.
It means forgive our sins AS we forgive like sins in others. Do not ask to be forgiven for a sin you would not forgive in another person against you, and don't expect such.
There's many ways
The main thing to do is to make it your own - whether you believe in God or not, prayer is not about reciting some specific set of words or whatever else, it's about you opening up and letting the emotions, both bad and good, trauma, pain, joy, gratitude, all flow out from you
I usually pray in bed before sleep, first I close my eyes and then let myself settle into the darkness and the "being-ness" around me, feel around in the darkness of your eyelids and of your consciousness
then I think about love, I think about the things that have troubled me and made me sad, and I think about the things that made me happy, I think about how grateful I'm for the people and other good things in my life, about how much I love the ones close to me, sometimes I just feel around with these but often I talk in my mind as if somebody were listening
and I think somebody is listening, but even if you don't, it still brings immense benefit for one's mental health to stop suppressing all these feelings and let them flow and spill out, you let the bad leave and you hold the good closer and cherish it that much more, feeling the love and gratefulness you have for it
Oh and also of course you can ask for help in some ways, too. I don't think it's about asking for x event to happen specifically, but more like asking to be lead in the right way, I think that can often work much better - I ask for things to be as they should be, and really, I don't think they can ever be actually different; people with all these post-death experiences who then come back as a result of being resuscitated speak of understanding that, actually, everything is just absolutely perfect and going according to the divine plan and it can never not be as such. Yet one is able to decide by themselves if they want to see God in the world and act according as such, with love, and be lead by it, or not. Maybe that sounds paradoxical and it might not make sense, I don't know, I don't have all the answers (hence all the "I think"s in the above paragraph), just the way that I interpret the information I've encountered and the experiences I've lived.
Anyway if you just try it I think you'll find that it is a very wholesome and lovely feeling practice and that it benefits your mental wellbeing. It's not like there's much work to be done lying down in bed waiting to fall asleep, hy not pray for a bit?
Thanks for your thoughtful response anon.
Being schizo is therapeutic. Interesting.
I usually just rock back and forth throwing my arms in the air yelling
WOLOLO WOLOLO WOLOLO WOLOLO for about 20 minutes. More and more of my neighbors started doing it since I started.
jej
The easiest way to explain god is like this:
Whatever force brought life from a couple molecules to what now exists, surely knows the path from our current situation to the future.
And that might be very catastrophic for one individual, but I've found God is not very concerned on the individual level. One's life does not belong to himself, but to society.
Gods mind is not our mind, and Gods ways are not our ways.
Opium of the masses. Good goy.
These days heroin and meth are the opium of the masses, so one point for "scientific progress".
The Templars sure did a fricking number on global society and normies.
So is speaking in tongues and dancing with venomous snakes. You need the boundaries of the occult. Have you ever done a piss and shit unleashing? Get naked, rub excrement on yourself, cover yourself in piss, dance around in your backyard saying "I AM THE SHIT OF THE EARTH!" and when you're done, go into your shower, let the water wash over you, and say "I am no longer the shit of the Earth, I am something clean and better." It simulates bringing you to your rock bottom and then bouncing off of it in a controlled fashion. The benefits are enormous.
a lot of the teachings of religion are good. But praying is kinda schizo, even if it is helpful.
>going to sleep
>sleep thoughts randomly wander around
>eventually get to a sincere prayer for the salvation of humanity
>not praying to anything or anyone in particular
>immediately afterwards can literally feel my brain jumble, like it was a box full of soft Lego and someone shook it vigorously for half a second
Very weird experience. I'm not religious or spiritual in any way