pull up weight should be counted as bodyweight + added weight.
a 100 kg guy doing pull ups with 10 kg added is stronger than a 70 kg guy doing pull ups with 20 kg added.
pull up weight should be counted as bodyweight + added weight.
pull up weight should be counted as bodyweight + added weight.
a 100 kg guy doing pull ups with 10 kg added is stronger than a 70 kg guy doing pull ups with 20 kg added.
and?
ok fatty
No. Not at all fatty. The guy pulling 20kg is pulling more additional weight. Meaning with less muscle mass, he is relatively stronger than you. Cope harder
bbbut its bigger load!!
>my 100 kg squat is more impressive than that big guys 200 kg squat, I just weigh 50 kg!
Fat people lifting heavy weight is never impressive
Unironically yes.
Yes. That's 2x bw meanwhile your 200kg squat is only 1x bw
You know weight classes exist for a reason right? You can't compare the two linearly. But a 400lb squat at 150lbs is a higher skilled lift than a 400lb squat at 250lbs.
>weight classes exist
invented. man-made. artificial.
at the end of the day the weight is the only real thing.
>mass moves mass
It's called efficiency. Think of it like stocks. If one stock would 2x your money and the other one is only going to 1.5x your money. Which one would you choose?
>invented. Man made. Artificial
Mass moving mass doesn't matter when all you're doing is arbitrary lifts. That's why Calisthenics and athletic sports are so coveted. Being able to functionally move your body, do pull ups, and run around a court is more important than being able to lift a bar up and set it back down .5 seconds later.
Also in your own terms. If mass moving mass is more impressive then the guy who is lifting 20kg wins anyway. Since he is moving more weight, people will see the additional plates as the mog. They won't take your fat bodyfat into consideration.
I've never once said
>wow that guy only did 2 pull-ups but he weights 200lbs. So cool
But everybody has said
>wow that guy did 8 pull ups with 20kg on him. He's pretty strong
If I'm moving I'm not getting the 50 kg strong-for-his-size guy to help me over the 100 kg strong guy. Strength is ability to produce force.
>Calisthenics and athletic sports are so coveted
Holy delusion. Is this what calisthenics manlets actually think?
You do a human flag anywhere in public and you'll draw a crowd. You can only lift your heavy weights at the gym with specially made "invented. Man-made. Artificial" equipment
Let's face it. A planche or handstand pull up is much cooler than a 4pl8 deadlift
Same with sports. Watching people play sports is much better than watching a dude lift. All sports have billions of fans. Powerlifting can't even have one combined sanction event. Instead you have 400 different amateur leagues and 10000 different world records
Ok at this point you're coping hard and you know it.
Nah I don't have to cope. Mass moves mass is the only cope here
>calisthenics world championship
>at a playground
>less fans than powershitting
lmao
Powerlifing world championship
>in a literal nobody gym
>6 chairs
>there are weight classes in football
>there are weight classes in track and field
>there are weight classes in skiing
>there are weight classes in basketball
>there are weight classes in cycling
>there are weight classes in swimming
Only gay sports have weight classes.
>You do a human flag anywhere in public and you'll draw a crowd
If you are over the age of 21 and doing calisthenics in public with the intention of impressing strangers, then you are a homosexual.
>50kg guy squatting twice his bodyweight vs. some fat frick squatting half his bodyweight
>powershitters can't understand why the former is more impressive
isn't the whole point of lifting to put on muscle and get heavier? Why would I be impressed at some 50kg twink that has failed the number 1 purpose of lifting? Like I'm not impressed if some 10lb baby can lift the equivalent of 2x its own bodyweight
No, not all the time especially if you are an athlete competing in weight class sports.
>isn't the whole point of lifting to put on muscle
Yes
>and get heavier
No. Obviously muscle has mass, but the primary goal is to gain muscle, not weight. The obsession over weight gain comes from powerlifters who use it as a coping mechanism to excuse their morbid obesity and awful diets.
I'm much more impressed by someone 80kg lean lifting less than 50kg lean relative to their body size because the 80kg lean guy has had to do more work to get to 80kg lean
>I'm much more impressed by someone 80kg lean lifting less than 50kg lean relative to their body size
I would be too, except the majority of people making this weight based argument are nowhere near lean, yet think they deserve the same respect as the 80kg guy you described.
>isn't the whole point of lifting to put on muscle and get heavier
No. No its not.
Being athletic is the point of lifting. That's why most weightlifting competitions like olympics/crossfit/strongman/ is about explosiveness and only powerlifting, which nobody cares about, is about static lifting
if by powershitters you mean "any normal person" yeah
no one wants to do fractions to hear how totally strong you are even though you're lifting less lol
100%
If I saw a 50kg guy squatting 2pl8 I'd mire hard as frick
You could say the same thing about a tiny guy benching less weight than a big guy. But the weight is still the weight
>muh pound for pound
Song of the manlet. Move more plates or get off the platform.
This. If you were 200lbs of muscle you should easily be able to pull more additional weight than a 150lbs guy. This is just fatty cope.
>relatively stronger
Semantics. Who gives a shit? Just lift
Obviously that goes without saying. There's just a vocal minority of calisthenigays who are allergic to iron and think that doing bodyweight pullups at a soaking wet 130lbs is impressive
Does this work for squat as well?
Technically yes but since you're still on the ground and not your entire body is moving down or together, you need to do a complicated integration to figure that.out
My 280lb girl's squat makes you look like a little b***h then bro, sorry.
powerlifters clowning themselves itt
>the guy who packs more muscle mass is stronger
In other news, grass is green.
>>the guy who packs more muscle mass is stronger
>In other news, grass is green.
yeah but it is hard to put on muscle you idiot
>yeah but it is hard to put on muscle
and?
and therefore the person that has more muscle and is heavier is more impressive
>People
thats a chinup
Right. Chin ups are significantly easier than pull ups. You almost never see people do full wide grip pullups
Probably because there’s no reason to
>There's no reason to work out your back
>filtered
>chin ups don’t work your back
Chin ups are a bicep exercise. Let's be real
you are rearded
Ight
i agree i had a 50 kg skeleton classmate who was spamming pullups thinking he was impressive
This is the dumbest shit ever. Body weight matter when it comes to lifting. If you think a 200 pound dude lifting 350 pounds is more impressive than a 150 pound dude lifting 300, simply because it’s more weight, then imagine what the smaller dude will be lifting when he closes the gap on the heavier person in body weight.
>Be me
>5'9"
>165LBS
>Doing regular pull-up at the gym one day
>Fat power-lifter comments that it must be easy at that size
>I ask him how much he weighs
>He says "240LBS"
>I tell him that I am 165LBS
>I then grab the weighted belt with chain and load two 45 plates (90LBS)
>I do 8 perfect form pull-ups
>He actually complimented me and said it was impressive
cope fatso
ITT: coping manlets
Bigger guy = bigger muscles = stronger (top strongmen are 6'2+).
Tallgays complaining on how it's easier for manlets to do calisthenics is just weakgay cope.
Bigger guy = has to lift more when doing calisthenics. 70 kg calisthenic manlet can add more to his pull ups than martins licis
He's compensated with bigger and stronger muscles.
Imagine calling yourself fit and NOT BEING ABLE TO LIFT UP YOUR OWN BODY. Anyone who can't do the most basic bodyweight lifts has no business being a gym and I say that 100% unironically. Get control over your own body, it's pathetic to not be. What's the point otherwise? To be a vain homosexual?
I can pull-up my own body weight added. So 320 total. So either way of counting is fine by me. I mog fatties and twigs alike
The additional difficulty that bigger guys have doing calisthenics is as much from the difference in leverages than from the extra weight as such. With this is mind I propose that we measure the moment of force as the TRUE test to see who is stronger