>Pull-Ups are better than Chin-Ups bro, because...uh they just are .. ok?
Why do people say this?
I do BOTH, and I find Pull-Ups to have about 70% of the ROM that Chin-Ups have.
Yes Pull-Ups are harder, but that is because you using SMALLER muscles as part of the movement (Upper Back) with LESS involvement from stronger muscles (ARMS) as you have in the Chin-Up, but you're using less range of motion.
That said, if you want to look at a Chin-Up compared to a Pull-Up from a range of motion perspective, the Chin-Up is "superior" in that regard. Now if you want to say its harder, that is true, but Barbell Squating off a BOSU ball is harder than Squatting on a hard flat surface, but we don't call the BOSU Barbell Squat a superior lift now do we?
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Pull up uses your back, moron
Are you implying I am using just my Arms to do Chin-Ups? 95k BW + 30KG plates (125kg total) for 6 reps and that im just Curling myself up on the bar? LMAO.
I curl 20KG dumbbells for 6 reps
Das breddy gud
>I curl 20KG dumbbells for 6 reps
Is this supposed to be impressive? I'm a literal stick dyel and was able to do 16kg
Learn to read moron he said he cant curl his bodyweight, only reps 20
Means chinups also use your back
>I curl 20KG dumbbells for 6 reps
Where does he says bw or 20 reps??? I'm sorry
>that chin-ups are a bicep isolation…
They're not complete isolation but works your biceps much more than pull ups
At least from my experience
Repping 20 is lifting 20 kilos for reps
He said he can do Weighted Chin-Ups for 95KG + 30KG in plates (total: 125KG)
, but can only Bicep Curl 20KG dumbbells.
I can do weighted chin-ups with my bodyweight + weight added but can only curl a low amount of weight. This would indicate to me that chin-ups do infact use your back as the prime mover. Not sure where people got the idea that chin-ups are a bicep isolation…must be dealing with actual normalgays on here now
so do chinups, moron
I prefatigue with pullups then switch to chins
>name
Oops
>I find Pull-Ups to have about 70% of the ROM
Because youre doing low ROM pull ups. Do full ROM pull ups moron.
idk every time I see people doing pullups they have shitty rom and are craning their neck to get their chin just barely over the bar
meanwhile when I do weighted chinups I touch the bar to my chest and it feels like the most natural thing in the world
I see literally no reason why you wouldnt go full ROM on pull ups. Just touch your chest to rhe bar.
Holy shit OP just do some fricking full ROM pull ups before posting this stupid thread
Nope, wrong.
Pull-Ups are done with a wider grip
Chin-Ups are done with a closer grip
The Range Of Motion on the Chin-Up is far bigger
>Pull-Ups are done with a wider grip
>Chin-Ups are done with a closer grip
Says who? You can do both with whatever grip you want you fricking queer.
Says your body, a wide-grip chin-up makes 0 sense mechanically, and a close-grip pull-up makes 0 sense mechanically. Im starting to think youve never done either, because you're unaware of this common sense consideration.
A close-grip Pull-up simply makes 0 sense and looks mechanically awkward and wrong, as does a wide-grip Chin-Up.....
Which is why we naturally have a closer grip with Chin-Ups and naturally have a wider grip with Pull-Ups, because thats how the body is built to do those movements.
>we naturally have a closer grip with Chin-Ups and naturally have a wider grip with Pull-Ups
You have nearly identical """natural""" grip widths - your shoulder width moron.
>says who
God ur such a delusional schizo,ask for source too make my day
>range of motion just for the sake of range of motion is good
Are you moronic OP?
>Pull-Ups are done with a wider grip
Says who moron
Explained here
Have you ever actually done a fricking Pullup or Chinup in your life? If you have, you would understand why a close-grip Pullups is moronic as frick and why a wide-grip Chinup is moronic as frick.
Unironically, DYEL?
>cant do more than 2 pull ups
>lectures others on lifts
Anyone who is not a spastic can do both wide grip chinups and close grip pull ups fricking DYEL
Yeah sorry c**t, narrow grip or shoulder width pullups just look mechanically awkward, wide-grip pullups look natural and perfect.
And the opposite goes for Chinups, wide-grip Chinups look flat out mechanically moronic, and narrow grip or shoulder width chinups look natural and perfect.
you're so fricking moronic, dude. It's not funny, just autism
You know im right moron,
The pull-up has LESS ROM, and LESS muscles involved....
In what world does an exercise with LESS ROM and LESS muscles involved get labeled better?
This makes no sense
Chin-Ups > Pull-ups plain and simple
>everything is black and white
less muscles used per lift is generally favored that’s why normal deadlifts (not romanian) are dogshit as an actual muscle mass builder
The back is larger and stronger than arms, you moronic subhuman.
You lack reading comprehension, surprised you can solve a captcha
>Yes Pull-Ups are harder, but that is because you using SMALLER muscles as part of the movement (Upper Back) with LESS involvement from stronger muscles (ARMS) as you have in the Chin-Up, but you're using less range of motion.
That sentence isn't even coherent, you stupid Black person.
Only because you can't read english and can't speak without context clues.
You are literally a subhuman who's IQ is too low to grasp how language works. Do not reply to me, Black person.
> Muh language works.
> Can't speak more than one language.
Alright spastic shitface.
You're supposed to touch chest with pull-ups, moron. It's not chip above bar it's tickling your nipples on the bar.
Its not natural. There is no way you can do that for more than like 2 reps
That's because your back is weak as shit.
Bruh. Are you calling me weak? I can do 95k BW + 30KG plates (125kg total) chin up for 6 reps. Get the frick out of here demoralizing troon israelite
Post yourself doing these nipple to bar pull-ups. A set of 10 should suffice
Back in P.E. class we called pull ups male pull ups and chin ups female pulls
Yes i exclusively do pull ups
>not having the bulk of every back day being 3 sets each of pullups chin ups and neutral grip, switching the order around
add shrugs and facepulls and that’s all you need to build a better back than anyone at your gym
Nope, you can't develop snake erector spinae muscles doing only that.
Which you wouldnt develop on back day regardless
>inb4 deadlifts on back day
errctor spinae gets trained through romanian deadlifts and hip thrusts on leg day.
>back day
>leg day
>implying
if you don’t separate the 2 then you are 100% weak and built like a paraplegic
Better just do Kettlebell Rus Swings after heavy deadlifts.
> Meme hip thrusts.
>and I find Pull-Ups to have about 70% of the ROM that Chin-Ups have.
So? Are you fricking stupid? ROM means frick all if they work different muscles
>Yes Pull-Ups are harder, but that is because you using SMALLER muscles as part of the movement (Upper Back) with LESS involvement from stronger muscles (ARMS) as you have in the Chin-Up, but you're using less range of motion.
Big muscles, small brain.
>I find Pull-Ups to have about 70% of the ROM that Chin-Ups have
So? How is that relevant at all?
>sperging out about pull/chin/whatever-up grip
drink bleach
>GAATR8
>weak dog cant into the nuances of the goat exercise
go do your seated lat pulldowns pussy homosexual
If (You) were actually capable of doing pullups, you'd know that grip width and angle is largely irrelevant, especially in the context of a full back day
ITT: weaklings
>inb4 post body
homosexuals.
> Pull Ups, Chin Ups and then finish off with Commando Pull Ups after exhausting PUs & CUs.
Back to back sets for guaran-fricking-teed pumps for both arms and back. Easy difficulty, anyone can do it as long as you got a bar and space enough for that shit.
>Commando Pull Ups
D-do you want me to take my underwear off right in the gym?!
I am trying to get 50 reps pullups(in as many sets as it takes) with my fatass 200lbs bodyweight on one of my upper body days and just burn out pullups and then do chinups to pad out the rest of that volume. I love pullups especially done really slow. I wanna start adding weight again I can bang out some sets with a plate added pretty easy just want more volume so switched back to bodyweight.
do the grease the groove method and just do 5 rep sets with really long rests in between (5-10 minutes)
this is the ideal method of increasing volume if you have a pull up bar in your home
You're right, chin-ups are definitely better
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Childhood is idolizing pull ups, manhood is realizing heavy db rows make more sense
that’s just the difference between being lean and a coping powershitter
So how does the neutral grip play into all of this?
I like weighted pullups and then close grip lat pulldowns for dat extra lat work & some pre curl work on the biceps
Pull ups are better because the chinup grip feels moronic and destroys the bicep tendons
>Pull ups are better because the chinup grip feels moronic
for me its the opposite
chin ups feels more natural
chip ups feel more natural for pretty much everyone
I have solved the problem. Do both.
and overtrain??? are you crazy you fricking dyel?
Pullups are harder because the lats are a horizontal pulling muscle and using them for a vertical pulling movement is suboptimal change my view
Pull ups are better because they target harder to train muscles. Just compliment them with curls and you get the most of it.
don't you have to do chinups with 1.5x shoulder width?
It doesn’t matter, just do which one feels the best, the “ it activates you lower back optimally” is just bullshit. I like the neutral grip personally.
>can rep out 10 chin ups ez
>try to do pull-ups
>they hurt my hands so bad I have to stop after 3