>Should I take those ideas into consideration?
Yes, off the top of my head the biggest ones are >avoid PUFA, especially omega-6, commonly found in seed oils and processed foods >sugar is better than starches, starches are better than grains >everyone is different though so you need to try foods yourself and see how you and your body react to it, if you get satiated from it if weight loss is a goal etc >nutritionally dense foods: milk and dairy, as well as occasional oysters and liver >methionine restriction and glycine intake: cut back on muscle meats high in methionine and eat more gelatinous meats or gelatin itself (can even be jello or certain candy) >high carb intake, somewhat low fat intake, depending you and your satiety, metabolism etc >coffee with sugar and saturated fat
The typical idea of a "ray peat diet" isn't necessarily that good for weight loss, especially for people with broken metabolisms: orange juice, ice cream, milk, sugar, etc
PUFA, especially omega-6, commonly found in seed oils and processed foods
Small correction here. While I generally agree with the advice, the issue is oxidation of said omega 6(and omega 3) oils, which because of their double bonds oxidize very easily.
So while if you had some fresh source of the food that contain PUFA, say eggs, salmon, sunflower seeds.
If you throw heat at it, air, whatever, it oxidizies in hours and becomes suboptimal for human consumption.
A minor technicality but an important distinction.
Also we need those oils, but only in small quantities, nothing modern diets through refinement throw at us.
is better than starches,
Glucose is far better than fructose, which sugar is 50% of. The only way one could make this statement is if you want to avoid plant toxins that mess with stuff and sugar doesn't have those. >>high carb intake, somewhat low fat intake,
Either high fat low carb, or high carb low fat diet. Can't mix both of them.
with sugar and saturated fat
full moron right here.
I do have an idea what I'm talking about.
Unless you think the corrections I made relate to "this is what ray pete actually thinks"
Which is not what I'm claiming, I'm claiming he is wrong on these accounts. Not that this is his opinion.
>No it's pufa itself that is generally toxic moron.
It's toxic because it's oxidized and it's very easily oxidized. >Also everything else you said is moronic.
yeah you sure sound enlightened, disproved everything I Said with that argument.
im not going to make an effort post refuting this idiotic shit you pulled out of your ass so I'll just link some relevant articles that refute you instead, in case anyone wants to read them
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
Sounds like you don't understand the material and are just parroting the conclusions that somebody told you.
This is so severe that you can't even argue about a given point and why it's wrong or right. Rather you just pull out your raypeat pamphlet and handed it to people, to read the gospel if you will.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No it's literally just toxic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
By what mechanism is non oxidized omega 3 and 6 toxic to your body?
1 year ago
Anonymous
It destroys mitochondria. We don't need it anyway.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It destroys mitochondria.
How does the non oxidized omega 3 and 6 destroy the mitochondria? >We don't need it anyway.
You need omega 3 and 6 in very small amounts mainly for signaling.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No you don't
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No you don't
Seriously, this is your arguments? >some guy told me and thats how it is >yeah but why >the lord has spoken, who am I to question their reasons
Is it really a cult for you people? Do you even understand why or how for any of the things you spout?
Why can't you explain shit yourself?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The schism here is some of us don't believe the "essential" fatty acid animal experiments were interpreted correctly. We believe that the mono unsaturated Omega-9 fatty acids (e.g. Mead acid) fill this role if one is not exposed to the PUFA. It's worth noting that PUFA does not cross the placenta so newborns, for example, have high Mead acid levels.
There is a lot more to this, of course, but I will not elaborate.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The schism here is some of us don't believe the "essential" fatty acid animal experiments were interpreted correctly. We believe that the mono unsaturated Omega-9 fatty acids (e.g. Mead acid) fill this role if one is not exposed to the PUFA. It's worth noting that PUFA does not cross the placenta so newborns, for example, have high Mead acid levels.
There we go, an actual response.
So how did you reach the conclusion that omega 6 and 3 are not needed for proper function?
The stress is temporary and strengthens the body's ability to handle future stress, and the metabolic effect is extremely exaggerated. I think fasting is an area where Peat was shortsighted.
Excerise is stress if you think about it, does he also advocate against that?
What about the fact that stressful environments cull the trash/cancer, for instance fasting environments are stressful, but healthy cells can survive that and they do cell clean up, while cancercells mutated and lack these pathways.
Which is why fasting a couple of days before getting chemo for instance, decreases dside effects and is more effective at culling cancers.
I dunno this ray pete stuff seems to have this axiom that >we must make the environment as comfortable and cozy as possible
But if you think about it for a bit, stress, challenge, death is nessesary for good function of things. The moment you cut off any adversity, is when dysgenic things can breed. Speaking both on a macro scale of species and micro scale of body, or cells.
Meat (non muscles) and naturally occurring sugar (fruit and starchy vegetables) is all you need
proof that you need fruit, or fructose(other than slow down your metabolism and pack on fat for the winter)?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No proof. I just love fruit and if I couldn't eat fruit again because [diet reasons] I'd rather just kill my fricking self.
Ok, if you don't need fruit, where else do you take your sugar from?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No proof. I just love fruit and if I couldn't eat fruit again because [diet reasons] I'd rather just kill my fricking self.
Talk about being an addict. >Ok, if you don't need fruit, where else do you take your sugar from?
What do you mean, your body can produce the exact amount of glucose it needs. This is even without eating glucose from some food source.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>your body can produce the exact amount of glucose it needs
Out of what? Thin fricking air? >out of this particular nutrient
Ok, so why eat that nutrient for the body to then produce glucose out of it, when you can just eat the glucose itself?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Out of what? Thin fricking air?
Obviously not. It's not made out of "nothing"
You do know that the body can produce glucose itself though, right? >Ok, so why eat that nutrient for the body to then produce glucose out of it, when you can just eat the glucose itself?
Well mainly for stability. You can have incredibly stable bloodsugar that isn't toxic to any cells and is never too lower either.
You produce the exact amount you need, rather than flooding the system with it, and forcing cells to either burn it off, lock off access of glucose to the cell(to keep the cell safe).
Think of it this way. When you say you want chikken nuggets for your dinner. Do you have a specific amount in mind? Say as plate full? What would happen if you asked for a plate full of nuggets and I come to your room with a truckload and start flooding chiken nuggies into your room to the point where you can't move around properly. Eventually you will tryt to hut the door to the room, to keep the nuggies from flooding in, just to keep yourself safe.
That's what happens with cells.
This also happens when you feed cells glucose and fat at the same time. Which is why the number one way to cause issues for your cell metabolism, is to pile on fat and carbs on at the same time.
They are far better off getting either fat low carb, or carb low fat. In terms of cell metabolism.
Other things to consider is things like nutrient density of the food, tooth decay etc.
For instance you can use only glucose to fuel your cells, but then you have to keep your fat intake low, and then you have to question if you are getting your nutrition need met when you limit fats heavily.
Anyway high fat high carb combo is the giga moron move as far as my research goes.
If you don't believe me, just go high fat low carb, high carb, low fat, high fat high carb for mmm 3 months each. See how you feel.
1 year ago
Anonymous
meat and sugar =/= fat and sugar
1 year ago
Anonymous
?????????? how is this related to what I said?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>high fat high carb combo is the giga moron move as far as my research goes.
this is not peaty
1 year ago
Anonymous
>this is not peaty
Interesting considering this:
>Should I take those ideas into consideration?
Yes, off the top of my head the biggest ones are >avoid PUFA, especially omega-6, commonly found in seed oils and processed foods >sugar is better than starches, starches are better than grains >everyone is different though so you need to try foods yourself and see how you and your body react to it, if you get satiated from it if weight loss is a goal etc >nutritionally dense foods: milk and dairy, as well as occasional oysters and liver >methionine restriction and glycine intake: cut back on muscle meats high in methionine and eat more gelatinous meats or gelatin itself (can even be jello or certain candy) >high carb intake, somewhat low fat intake, depending you and your satiety, metabolism etc >coffee with sugar and saturated fat
The typical idea of a "ray peat diet" isn't necessarily that good for weight loss, especially for people with broken metabolisms: orange juice, ice cream, milk, sugar, etc
>coffee with sugar and saturated fat >Then why is orange juice and milk advocated?
Dunno, as I said I disagree with Petes stuff. >Isn't orange juice basically carb water? Why is cheese advocated? Why is sucrose advocated? Aren't they fat and carbs and carbs and fat?
Yeah, which is why I look at petes diet as a questionable proposition at best.
It makes no sense to stuff yourself full of fat and carbs at the same time. >How can you mix these foods then say you can't mix fat and carbs?
You clearly think I'm advocate of pete, I'm not.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Which is why the number one way to cause issues for your cell metabolism, is to pile on fat and carbs on at the same time
Then why is orange juice and milk advocated? Doesn't milk contain fat? Isn't orange juice basically carb water? Why is cheese advocated? Why is sucrose advocated? Aren't they fat and carbs and carbs and fat?
Take
https://i.imgur.com/0dVcrUE.jpg
He had opinions about what you should and shouldn't eat. Most peaters have a very similar diet.
For example. Milk, butter, ice cream and cheese are all fats (among other things)
But then you have potatoe, carrots, fruits, Mexican cola and honey, all carbs.
How can you mix these foods then say you can't mix fat and carbs?
As far as I've ever seen, it is impossible not to mix fats and carbs, literally impossible.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it is impossible not to mix fats and carbs, literally impossible.
whoa careful bro, you'll trigger the McDougall ghouls and the diabetic keto shitters
>this is not peaty
Interesting considering this: [...] >coffee with sugar and saturated fat >Then why is orange juice and milk advocated?
Dunno, as I said I disagree with Petes stuff. >Isn't orange juice basically carb water? Why is cheese advocated? Why is sucrose advocated? Aren't they fat and carbs and carbs and fat?
Yeah, which is why I look at petes diet as a questionable proposition at best.
It makes no sense to stuff yourself full of fat and carbs at the same time. >How can you mix these foods then say you can't mix fat and carbs?
You clearly think I'm advocate of pete, I'm not.
peat's advice is to use fat to taste, which is literally impossible to indulge and overeat if it's mostly saturated, not even the staunchest ketogay can stomach foods cooked in a stick of butter or coffee with 50 grams of ghee, that's what's defined as a high fat meal
1 year ago
Anonymous
>peat's advice is to use fat to taste, which is literally impossible to indulge and overeat if it's mostly saturated >bro put fat into your coffee with your sugar, oh no I don't advocate you add fat to sugars, merely to taste >not even the staunchest ketogay can stomach foods cooked in a stick of butter or coffee with 50 grams of ghee, that's what's defined as a high fat meal
Oh please, fat is tasty and you can easily eat it. Literally cook all my foods in butter/ghee.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>bro put fat into your coffee
i don't remember him recommending this >fat is tasty and you can easily eat it
not saying it isn't, key word here is overeat, and dawg i use coco oil and butter to cook, and even then i can easily realize when i overdo the cooking fats
1 year ago
Anonymous
>i don't remember him recommending this
then what the frick is this anon
>Should I take those ideas into consideration?
Yes, off the top of my head the biggest ones are >avoid PUFA, especially omega-6, commonly found in seed oils and processed foods >sugar is better than starches, starches are better than grains >everyone is different though so you need to try foods yourself and see how you and your body react to it, if you get satiated from it if weight loss is a goal etc >nutritionally dense foods: milk and dairy, as well as occasional oysters and liver >methionine restriction and glycine intake: cut back on muscle meats high in methionine and eat more gelatinous meats or gelatin itself (can even be jello or certain candy) >high carb intake, somewhat low fat intake, depending you and your satiety, metabolism etc >coffee with sugar and saturated fat
The typical idea of a "ray peat diet" isn't necessarily that good for weight loss, especially for people with broken metabolisms: orange juice, ice cream, milk, sugar, etc
advocating for?
1 year ago
Anonymous
a tsp of coco oil with lots of sugar won't trigger the randle cycle you autist
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ray Peat advises against excess cardio but was for big muscles
1 year ago
Anonymous
but cardio gives you more mitochondria, which you're deficient in if you've been pufa poisoned as most people have been
>inhibits t4 to t3 conversion in the liver >estrogenic directly but also via prostaglandin production >arachidonic acid itself is also highly inflammatory >suppresses immune system >destabilises membranes
also most of the harmful effects is that they DO oxidise no matter what
considering non oxidised pufa is moronic bc it WILL become oxidised at some point whether inside or outside the organism when you consume them and they get stored they are ticking timebombs
and when they get incorporated into mitochondrial membranes as unsaturated cardiolipin, once they reach a critical mass a chain reaction happens where one polyunsaturated molecules breaks down into lipid peroxides, which further oxidise other pufas, creating more peroxides, etc until the membrane literally collapses and you get shriveled and dead mitochondria
in neurons/nerves you get the buildup in the insulating sheaths are nerves and when you get the destabilization of those membranes you get serious neurodegenerative diseases
lipid peroxides from pufa oxidation oxidise lipoproteins, which is what leads to plaque buildups and cardiovascular disease (not to mention the heart has the highest concentration of mitochondria and is the most susceptible organ to metabolic stress)
just every fricking chronic disease that exists in the modern age has pufa implicated
[...]
[...]
like i said its a waste of time arguing with people like you who have no desire to further their understanding, but if you actually cared youd read the article that i linked in my prior post which refutes the idea that pufas are essential: [...]
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also you should just look at things he actually said.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>inhibits t4 to t3 conversion in the liver >estrogenic directly but also via prostaglandin production >arachidonic acid itself is also highly inflammatory >suppresses immune system >destabilises membranes
also most of the harmful effects is that they DO oxidise no matter what
considering non oxidised pufa is moronic bc it WILL become oxidised at some point whether inside or outside the organism when you consume them and they get stored they are ticking timebombs
and when they get incorporated into mitochondrial membranes as unsaturated cardiolipin, once they reach a critical mass a chain reaction happens where one polyunsaturated molecules breaks down into lipid peroxides, which further oxidise other pufas, creating more peroxides, etc until the membrane literally collapses and you get shriveled and dead mitochondria
in neurons/nerves you get the buildup in the insulating sheaths are nerves and when you get the destabilization of those membranes you get serious neurodegenerative diseases
lipid peroxides from pufa oxidation oxidise lipoproteins, which is what leads to plaque buildups and cardiovascular disease (not to mention the heart has the highest concentration of mitochondria and is the most susceptible organ to metabolic stress)
just every fricking chronic disease that exists in the modern age has pufa implicated
>It destroys mitochondria.
How does the non oxidized omega 3 and 6 destroy the mitochondria? >We don't need it anyway.
You need omega 3 and 6 in very small amounts mainly for signaling.
>No you don't
Seriously, this is your arguments? >some guy told me and thats how it is >yeah but why >the lord has spoken, who am I to question their reasons
Is it really a cult for you people? Do you even understand why or how for any of the things you spout?
Why can't you explain shit yourself?
like i said its a waste of time arguing with people like you who have no desire to further their understanding, but if you actually cared youd read the article that i linked in my prior post which refutes the idea that pufas are essential:
im not going to make an effort post refuting this idiotic shit you pulled out of your ass so I'll just link some relevant articles that refute you instead, in case anyone wants to read them
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
Unsaturated fats are bad but claiming people shouldn't get dietary 03 in today's processed hell world are moronic considering people have desaturase indexes worse than CAFO farmed pigs.
Brad marshall at fireinabottle.com has some good write ups.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dawg why are you fighting PUFA with PUFA just eat more coconut oil
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because it is extremely difficult to make o3 endogenously and much like magnesium, most u.s. foods and soils the food comes from is depleted.
im not going to make an effort post refuting this idiotic shit you pulled out of your ass so I'll just link some relevant articles that refute you instead, in case anyone wants to read them
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
>Glucose is far better than fructose
Fructose is needed by the liver to optimize thyroid. Something Peat is big on. Adding more fructose back into my diet cured my Raynauds.
>low PUFAs >sugar is good >high carb, low fat
Haha holy shit this man memed IST into eating the exact opposite of what the sum of the body of literature recommends
This is amazing, I can't wait until a generation of meme ISTner end up fat with pre-diabetes
>the sum of the body of literature
It's always strange to me how everyone outwardly agrees that institutions and corporations are morally compromised and will do things that are bad in order to advance their own goals, but that they might do something like falsify a study, or even just lie, is just too much to believe.
Um, sweetie, that would take too many people. It is literally impossible for there to be more than two people who withhold information from the public. There are no possible ways to contain information or otherwise coerce people into keeping their mouths shut at risk of injury or death. If it were true, it would be on TV.
>PUFA consumption goes up >Sugar consumption goes down >Red meat & saturated fat consumption goes down >Rates of cancer, cardiovascular disease & diabetes magically go up drastically despite le sum of the body of literature >Don't you dare question the expertise of the experts™ chud
I fricking love science
It's basically just >saturated fat is good because it doesn't oxidize >sucrose & glucose is good for you. Cooked starch is good for most people unless they have an endotoxin issue. >pufa isn't actually essential
Then it gets deeper than that but this is the practical shit.
What it is NOT >drink 2L of coconut oil a day, you COOK with it >honey cultism. The people attributing honey to him are people pushing paleo memes. Honey has barely any minerals, if any at all. Including raw. Honey is mostly fructose too. >gomad + 2L orange juice. He never drank this much liquid, it's sourced from "personal email" the author never showed.
I agree with pretty much all of these but the extensions people have made to it are almost all bad.
>followers are moronic >think it means anything for the originator
You're moronic
This is like subscribing to conservatism specifically because democrats are moronic (or vice versa)
t. rock eater who is visited by the ghost of ray peat every night
Most of what you wrote is correct but on this
+ 2L orange juice. He never drank this much liquid
You are wrong. Here's the man himself:
>up to a gallon of milk a day >an egg, fried in butter >orange juice, as much as is available, atleast a pint, preferably more >almost every day some kind of gelatinous soup >typically once a week some oysters and some liver
Man drank a frickload and yes I know that contradicts one of his own articles.
ray peat laughed at the idea of a "ray peat diet" and basically (paraphrasing) said in response to it "I'd like to know what that is bc theres no such thing as far as I know"
his basic motto is "perceive think act"
he provides a set of principles and ideas but its up to you to understand and apply them, peoples dietary needs are very different
read his articles here if youre interested: raypeat.com/articles
takes some biochemistry/endocrinology knowledge to understand some things but you can find the relevant info if youre smart and can use a search engine
I suggest starting with the articles on fats and sugar, but read whatever interests you
the email exchange archive is also a gold mine: https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges
other resources are danny roddy's youtube channel/substack, haidut.me and haiduts posts on the raypeatforum (the forum gets insane/moronic sometimes so I wouldnt suggest browsing there until youre well acquainted with the ideas), toxinless.com,
>chicken
it's okay if you go for the leaner breeds and not the farm raised obese broilers on the goymarket, pasture raised broilers are okay-ish >lamb, goat
ruminants
I was listening to a Peat interview the other day and he said forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry puts stress on the body and can slow down the motility of digestion. Being in the bodybuilding 'lifestyle' for close to a decade now I feel like I've adopted a lot of unhealthy habits in regards to foods, especially this one.
Everyone around these parts knows the "You gotta eat big to get big C'MON" mindset, and I'm guilty of it. The permabulking state where you're essentially force feeding yourself.
I understand where he's coming from and gorging on food when you're not hungry certainly feels stressful, but I couldn't find any data on this when I looked. All the studies were relating to overeating in context of making you gain wait, which, no shit is stressful on the body and bad for you. But what about when controlling for wait gain? Is eating when not hungry still just as bad? What are the mechanism? Does it increase cortisol and other stress hormones or something?
>I was listening to a Peat interview the other day and he said forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry puts stress on the body and can slow down the motility of digestion. Being in the bodybuilding 'lifestyle' for close to a decade now I feel like I've adopted a lot of unhealthy habits in regards to foods, especially this one.
kudos for figuring out you've been a moron for 10 years. better late than never.
very bitter and nasty reply for a sincere question. Not very Peaty. You sound high in estrogen, prolactin, and serotonin. Try upping your milk and coffee intake + supplementing progesterone and thyroid.
A large part of Peat's thoughts on the body, and likely one of the hardest to imbibe for how against the popular understanding it is, is the functioning of serotonin in the organism -- serotonin as something produced fundamentally by stress. As a general principle, all that's bound by routine, obligation, unwilling necessity; anything that eliminates autonomy and the capacity for personal freedom at all is stressful, and serotonin is usually what is produced as a result. Serotonin behaviourally regulates conformity and is basically 'of the crowd' -- what Peat tends to call 'authoritarian'.
Some reading:
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/dark-side-of-stress-learned-helplessness.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/serotonin-disease-aging-inflammation.shtml
https://chronicot.wordpress.com/2021/11/24/oxytocin-not-serotonin-is-the-pro-social-hormone/
Off of general principle, being bound by obligation that works against the needs or wants of the body is serotonergic. More specifically, overeating tends to increase aromatase (thus increasing estrogen), and the lessened insulin sensitivity can increase estrogen -- estrogen is also very linked to the stress systems of the body.
Redpill: serotonin/dopamine SSRI/LSD evil/good dichotomy is real, SSRIs are mind numbing drugs pushed by the CIA as a reaction to LSD (all mind control experiments woth LSD failed)
hes some sort of esoteric lysenkoist who has his own theory of the body where it works best when every single cell is strong individually and then it works together or something.
his followers are a weird mix of supplement store grifters, ex-vegans/carnivores/keto, twitter nazis/evolian right wingers, flatearthers and paranoid hypochondriac moms
his info and approach seems good though
>ex-vegans/carnivores/keto
hey i was all of them lol, add prolonged fast to that list and that was me 2 years ago, that's why i'm so hostile to vegans and ketogays here
Based, I'm in the same boat, 10 years vegan, 2 years ketogay (but mostly cyclical keto, the only kind that doesn't suck dog dicks because of weekend carb-ups), and a one-year IF cultist.
Eventually, if you live long enough and aren't mentally handicapped, you come to grips that CICO rules over all and every meme diet is just that, a fricking meme. If you can make it work and work well, so be it, but few people can. Just eat less, move more, and stop making excuses about blood types, ancestry, etc. for why a specific diet is the "only option" for fat loss.
This thread might drive me into a rabbit hole. Many problems, specially constipation-induced depression, went away because I acidentally spent a week eating meat and drinking coke. I'm calling it "sweet carnivore". The only days I remember to be homeostatic from the last year were the ones I only ate meat and drank sweetened, caffeinated beverages. What I'm seeing about this man in this thread is endorsing that's the right thing to do.
from what i remember when i was peak peating in 2020 pre pandemic was: >being outside more >going on mountain >running >staying lean >tons of oj (3l per day) >insane amounts of hard cheese (local ones, the weird italian ones) >talking with my dog (srs) >actually taking risk of talking to girls (that's how i met my gf) >having a consinstent sleep schedule >ice cream everyday >6 cups of coffee a day
Don't take any of this for granted its just what worked for ME.
I hardcore peated last year for a couple months, half a gallon of milk a day, oj, coffee, cheese, mexican coke, quality beef/lamb, some schizo experimentation with supplement and it was the absolute highlight of my year
was also when i started working out consistently (lifting rocks in my yard) and walking a lot
very fond memories
>half a gallon of milk a day
this helped >oj
core of peating that's what eliminated my stress.
>coffee
coffee is the final redpill for being happy
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml >cheese
lowers stress >mexican coke
can't find this in europe, i replaced it with normal cola >quality beef/lamb
lamb good in moderation >some schizo experimentation with supplement
if aspirin is not schizo, Aspirin turns off estrogen response
Anyway memes aside if i followed a ray peat based nutrition in 2023 based of the knowledge i have NOW it would be completely different diet than 2020. I already have it printed and i should start it soon, its god mode.
mexican coke is only for americans bc our normal coke is made with corn syrup while mexican coke (ostensibly) is not
the rest of the world has good quality sugared coke
The stress is temporary and strengthens the body's ability to handle future stress, and the metabolic effect is extremely exaggerated. I think fasting is an area where Peat was shortsighted.
I used to like his work but after joining the forum it took one week for me to realize all these people are fricking morons, even the "smart" ones. >haidut: fat IT guy telling people how to gain massive muscles and get shredded by guzzling butter >hans: 170lb trt boomer telling people that the secret is thousand dollars of supplements a year. The extent of his actually good advice is "milk has good quality protein" which I knew my first week lifting. >an ex-vegan that eats rocks. Not salt, actual rocks and makes essays about rocks. >schizos saying they see the ghost of Ray Peat and nobody calls them moronic >boomer men that use the forums to spout their facebook shit like ACTUALLY, RIDING A BIKE IS BAD FOR YOU AND GAS IS CLEANER >the rest: soccer moms saying they "transformed" their body and then the picture is just them pulling their pants up higher
Literally going to go out and buy some brazil nuts and have a couple every day because there's no way these guys are right.
>followers are moronic >think it means anything for the originator
You're moronic
This is like subscribing to conservatism specifically because democrats are moronic (or vice versa)
~~*Haidut*~~ just happens to own a store where he sells stuff supported by his research (which is all cherrypicked and when the researchers claim something against him he says the data was manipulated)
Peat never even visited the forums for a very good reason
Ps: i was permabanned for calling that one guy who keeps spamming completely moronic threads (flat earth, everything is serotonin, red car lights raise my metabolism, wearing a hat 24/7 has quintupled my testosterone, etc) moronic and then the admin said that i was a "nefarious agent" because i wasn't part of the "mind so open the brain falls out" 24/7 circlejerk
When I see peatards talking about OJ, why not eat the whole fricking orange? Why? How, and under which circumstances is some grocery store bought juice better than the real thing? What oj you're talking about? Every single orange juice I have even found in all my life is made out of concentrate, unless you manually juice the fruit and drink it that way. No way in fricking hell that concenteate juice shit is better than the real fruit.
imagine evolving for god knows how many thousands of years with a diet and then some moron comes along and says you should consume a bunch of squeeze juice of a fruit that you can't get year round in big quantities to get for your meals
It's just so profoundly moronic. Yeah, thats what we evolved around, sure.
Let me just go feed my cat some pasta for it's "health".
>organism evolves around a certain diet for tens of thousands of years >bah that is all crap, I can eat anything I want
feed your dogs chocolate, feed your cat carbs, evolution is deboonked!
>I need to engage in evolutionary conjecture to figure out if something is dangerous to eat or not >I am going to eat like my supposed ancestors (but only a specific bunch of them for some reason) and LARP as a hunter gatherer as I eat my store bought beef >If I eat like muh ancestors, I'm going to be healthy, regardless of how alien my environment would be to said ancestors
imagine evolving for god knows how many thousands of years with a diet and then some moron comes along and says you should consume a bunch of squeeze juice of a fruit that you can't get year round in big quantities to get for your meals
It's just so profoundly moronic. Yeah, thats what we evolved around, sure.
Let me just go feed my cat some pasta for it's "health".
<muh orange juice, good for you >ray pete the boomer was a victim of propaganda
Humans evolved in tropical climates where fruit was available all year. We've branched out to more extreme climates since, but your digestive system has not changed in any significant way since the days when you lived in a tropical forest and spent all day foraging for food, the majority of which was fruit. Fruit, by the way, is the only food that was literally designed for you to eat. It is grown by a plant with the express intent that you eat it as a method of seed distribution.
that does not mean industrializing the production of fruit and chugging down mass produced concentrated juice daily
and if you're making this evolutionary appeal you'd also be against guzzling down a gallon of milk a day
>that does not mean industrializing the production of fruit
Why would this matter? You need to do more than throw buzzwords at me. >chugging down mass produced concentrated juice daily
More buzzwords. "Mass produced", "concentrated", why does it matter? At the end of the day, I'm getting 80% of my calories from fruit and my ancient ancestor was getting 80% of his calories from fruit. Past that, the details don't matter.
Berries growing in the wild might have a better micronutrient profile than farmed berries but I don't have the option to spend all day foraging for berries. Eating farmed fruit is 100x better than not eating fruit at all because it's "industrialized, mass produced, concentrated fruit".
>and if you're making this evolutionary appeal you'd also be against guzzling down a gallon of milk a day
I don't recall mentioning milk in my post.
idk why you sound so serious/angry its almost comical
juice is better bc its concentrated and doesnt have fiber
but theres nothing wrong with eating the oranges themselves
and ofc you should want fresh juice ideally, thats why he emphasises buying *sweet* orange juice over sour
real fresh squeezed is like nectar of the gods, its so sweet with no sourness
but most of the time I buy whole foods brand 365 organic orange juice, its pretty delicious especially when the oranges are in season in the winter but I can taste the quality starting to decline this time of year
basically to tell if you have good quality oj gauge how sweet it is, it shouldnt be too sour, and the color should ideally be orange not yellow
the deeper the orange color the better, the paler it is the worse the quality will be generally
and of course fresh squeezed is best
but theres nothing wrong with concentrate theoretically, peat said hed stock up on concentrate in orange season so that hed be able to make good juice in the winter (the off season where he lived at the time)
but i havent been able to find nice sweet orange juice concentrate
Yeah bro, some nobody scientist with no peer reviewed publications and with an internet cult following seems like a good source. Start consuming 200g of sugar a day like he advises.
Zoomers are so braindead they deserve to die of diabeetus. I wonder what the muttperm looks like after 15 years of decay in the coffin
imagine how much suffering peat has caused in giving idiots type 2 and causing them to amass huge dentist bills
peat himself was missing half his fricking teeth, they probably just rotted out
go dunk your broccolihead in cold water homosexual, wake up
>cold water
way to out yourself as a cortisol junkie, now be a good goy and follow israeliteberman's advice of fasted cardio and cold plunge until you go bald
Dietary fat causes insulin resistance and blood glucose issues, here's zerocarb hero Shawn Baker: prediabetic despite eating nothing but meat with the testosterone of an old man, although to be fair the last part is from being off a steroid cycle.
>Dietary fat causes insulin resistance and blood glucose issues
No. >here's zerocarb hero Shawn Baker: prediabetic despite eating nothing but meat
Based on what?
I don't see blood insulin, I don't see blood glucose. All I see is Hemoglobin A1c, which can be gamed by extending or reducing the lifespan of red blood cells. As the A1c only shows how much blood glucose a red blood cell is exposed to during it's life time. And if you have a diet that reduces oxadative stress for example and extends life cycle of blood cells, it will also increase the A1c simply through the virtue of long life spawn of blood cells.
Inversely, you could have an environment that kills blood cells faster and they need to be replaced, and that would drive the A1c down as well, as they simply don't get to accumulate it. Say favism and oxidative stress for example.
So me thinks you are being dishonest and trying to find a "ah gotcha" through misleading shit.
Yes, but it's also because Ray Peat's followers are a cult. You have moronic ideas that are easily disproven. You will always hand wave away clear evidence against Peat and point to some Ray Peat approved 'evidence'. It's the same reason people seethe at vegans.
Latest fit trend, it was literally just one anon screaming about seed oils 4 years ago but he managed to recruit. The timeline… > 2008-2011 - CICO > 2012-2013 - Paleo > 2014-2018 - Keto > 2019-2020 - Carnivore > 2021-Now - Peat
It’s the usual story. Some fatties adopt any diet other than endless gourging on standard American diet and as a result loses weight.
They then become evangelical about how that diet is superior for everything (weight loss, health, fitness, etc…) and min max it to the point of sickness.
They’ll eventually revert to SAD again and gain weight before starting the cycle with a new diet.
Give it time and most the peat-tard and former carnivores will be vegan for a couple years.
If you want to chase autophagy for whatever reasons such as anti-cancer then autophagy kicks in hardest around after the 3rd day. So if that's your goal then thats how long you have to go for.
Though I imagine doing this kind of thing regularly is questionable, rather something you do a couple times per year or whatever.
Also your digestion takes longer to start back up the longer you fast.
So while 2-3 day fasts you can pretty much jump back into real food, with your first meal being a bit light.
Stuff beyond that requires more hassle.
22 hour fasts and 2 hour eating window is what I do for cuts myself.
The only things I learned are worth avoiding besides processed crap.
Is Seed oils because of pufa. (but okay if it's fresh from the source)
Fructose(I don't even care what somebody says, it just makes me feel sick, so I enjoy the fruits only seasonally and in limited quantity)
Naturally I don't drink alcohol at all. >You’ll be a vegan in two years lads
Veganism is utterly moronic, but better than SAD diet. People can find success on it before nutrient deficiencies kick in at 3-5 years. Otherwise the low fat high carb stuff means their mitochondria are working correctly in handling the sugar they throw at it.
>You’ll be a vegan in two years lads and something else two years after that. As is fit tradition.
at this point Ive realized that the fad diets are there to keep my mind occupied. If I were to adhere to a single diet everytime, I would honestly lose all hopium and copium that I hold in me, and would subsequently kms. As long as there is shine and glitter in front of me I will chase it mindlessly, maybe losing some pounds along the way.
these cultist morons will point to literally a single study or two to provide evidence for their dogshit claims and then ignore 200k+ studies compiled into metal-analysis reports as "basedience"
>200k+ studies compiled into metal-analysis reports
Garbage in, garbage out. A meta-analysis of a bunch of shit studies is still shit. I don't know why you would think any differently.
The guy and most of his followers are absolute geniuses.
Avoid PUFA and seed oils
Sugar is good for you
Saturated fat is good for you
Red meat is good for you
Avoid chemical infused and processed crap, many food additives and highly processed stuff is toxic
Your diet is your life - shit diet and you have shit health, its really that simple. (que some fricking moron and their anecdote about muh friend eating unhealthy and being fine, its definitely bullshit)
Its sad yet hilarious seeing all these moronic nay sayers and denyier in here as well. Haidut is a genius and looks great for his age (he also was on the standard unhealthy diet for a long time before ray peat, his supplements are also totally legit... if you think haidut is insidious with supplements then you much think all supplement companies are a complete and utter demonic shit show and wouldn't even touch ANY supplement.)
I think ray peat ideas are so controversial to the midwit idiot becuase they are abascally the opposite of the current modern medical dogma... so these people get offended that they have apparently been doing everthing wrong and so claim hes a quack and full of shit
These guys say "look at all the SCIENCE we have supporting the medical dogma! (when you actually look at it, its nowhere near as solid as the dogma says it is, many studies find the opposite, cant be repeated, etc.) these guys also say that research studies are THE GOSPEL, yet when a study comes out that proves ray peat stuff right, its cherry picked bullshit.
and seriously? you think modern day medicine and health ideas are working? Worldwide, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, BALDING, cancer, etc... are exploding. These dieseases of civilization were nearly NON EXISITENT 150 years ago, none of these things ever killed people. THEY ARE A MODERN PHENOMENON.
Doctors are also completely unable to cure them, they just prescribe meds or do surgery, yet the problems persist and dont go away.
theyre dissolved in dmso bc theyre meant to be topical/transdermal and dmso is known to increase transdermal availability
its also to dissolve very insoluble molecules
you are so fricking stupid its unreal
Yes and he uses it to make it more noticable so it sells more
Constantly flooding your body with some weird solvent has nothing to do with health
Enjoy your baldness gayit
>These dieseases of civilization were nearly NON EXISITENT 150 years ago
Balding has always been common.
The first recorded description of diabetes comes from the ancient Greeks, cancer as well.
Heart disease and diabetes are simply the consequences of providing constant, easy access to calorie-dense foods. Literally any organism will overeat in these conditions and the fact that not all humans are obese is a testament to our willpower.
You can shill for Ray without this absurd hyperbole, anon.
eh he doesn't seem all that energetic to me.
I've watch a couple podcasts with him and he sounds like a low energy c**t t b h f a m.
Leo wik has great humour, tho.
Danny Roddy can also be funny when he isn't on israeliteTube.
>Should I hop on his diet?
There isn't really a ray peat diet, other than general ideas and concepts
Should I take those ideas into consideration?
>Should I take those ideas into consideration?
Yes, off the top of my head the biggest ones are
>avoid PUFA, especially omega-6, commonly found in seed oils and processed foods
>sugar is better than starches, starches are better than grains
>everyone is different though so you need to try foods yourself and see how you and your body react to it, if you get satiated from it if weight loss is a goal etc
>nutritionally dense foods: milk and dairy, as well as occasional oysters and liver
>methionine restriction and glycine intake: cut back on muscle meats high in methionine and eat more gelatinous meats or gelatin itself (can even be jello or certain candy)
>high carb intake, somewhat low fat intake, depending you and your satiety, metabolism etc
>coffee with sugar and saturated fat
The typical idea of a "ray peat diet" isn't necessarily that good for weight loss, especially for people with broken metabolisms: orange juice, ice cream, milk, sugar, etc
PUFA, especially omega-6, commonly found in seed oils and processed foods
Small correction here. While I generally agree with the advice, the issue is oxidation of said omega 6(and omega 3) oils, which because of their double bonds oxidize very easily.
So while if you had some fresh source of the food that contain PUFA, say eggs, salmon, sunflower seeds.
If you throw heat at it, air, whatever, it oxidizies in hours and becomes suboptimal for human consumption.
A minor technicality but an important distinction.
Also we need those oils, but only in small quantities, nothing modern diets through refinement throw at us.
is better than starches,
Glucose is far better than fructose, which sugar is 50% of. The only way one could make this statement is if you want to avoid plant toxins that mess with stuff and sugar doesn't have those.
>>high carb intake, somewhat low fat intake,
Either high fat low carb, or high carb low fat diet. Can't mix both of them.
with sugar and saturated fat
full moron right here.
Why do you join discussion about something you have no idea about?
I do have an idea what I'm talking about.
Unless you think the corrections I made relate to "this is what ray pete actually thinks"
Which is not what I'm claiming, I'm claiming he is wrong on these accounts. Not that this is his opinion.
No it's pufa itself that is generally toxic moron. Also everything else you said is moronic.
>No it's pufa itself that is generally toxic moron.
It's toxic because it's oxidized and it's very easily oxidized.
>Also everything else you said is moronic.
yeah you sure sound enlightened, disproved everything I Said with that argument.
Sounds like you don't understand the material and are just parroting the conclusions that somebody told you.
This is so severe that you can't even argue about a given point and why it's wrong or right. Rather you just pull out your raypeat pamphlet and handed it to people, to read the gospel if you will.
No it's literally just toxic.
By what mechanism is non oxidized omega 3 and 6 toxic to your body?
It destroys mitochondria. We don't need it anyway.
>It destroys mitochondria.
How does the non oxidized omega 3 and 6 destroy the mitochondria?
>We don't need it anyway.
You need omega 3 and 6 in very small amounts mainly for signaling.
No you don't
>No you don't
Seriously, this is your arguments?
>some guy told me and thats how it is
>yeah but why
>the lord has spoken, who am I to question their reasons
Is it really a cult for you people? Do you even understand why or how for any of the things you spout?
Why can't you explain shit yourself?
The schism here is some of us don't believe the "essential" fatty acid animal experiments were interpreted correctly. We believe that the mono unsaturated Omega-9 fatty acids (e.g. Mead acid) fill this role if one is not exposed to the PUFA. It's worth noting that PUFA does not cross the placenta so newborns, for example, have high Mead acid levels.
There is a lot more to this, of course, but I will not elaborate.
>The schism here is some of us don't believe the "essential" fatty acid animal experiments were interpreted correctly. We believe that the mono unsaturated Omega-9 fatty acids (e.g. Mead acid) fill this role if one is not exposed to the PUFA. It's worth noting that PUFA does not cross the placenta so newborns, for example, have high Mead acid levels.
There we go, an actual response.
So how did you reach the conclusion that omega 6 and 3 are not needed for proper function?
Excerise is stress if you think about it, does he also advocate against that?
What about the fact that stressful environments cull the trash/cancer, for instance fasting environments are stressful, but healthy cells can survive that and they do cell clean up, while cancercells mutated and lack these pathways.
Which is why fasting a couple of days before getting chemo for instance, decreases dside effects and is more effective at culling cancers.
I dunno this ray pete stuff seems to have this axiom that
>we must make the environment as comfortable and cozy as possible
But if you think about it for a bit, stress, challenge, death is nessesary for good function of things. The moment you cut off any adversity, is when dysgenic things can breed. Speaking both on a macro scale of species and micro scale of body, or cells.
proof that you need fruit, or fructose(other than slow down your metabolism and pack on fat for the winter)?
No proof. I just love fruit and if I couldn't eat fruit again because [diet reasons] I'd rather just kill my fricking self.
Ok, if you don't need fruit, where else do you take your sugar from?
>No proof. I just love fruit and if I couldn't eat fruit again because [diet reasons] I'd rather just kill my fricking self.
Talk about being an addict.
>Ok, if you don't need fruit, where else do you take your sugar from?
What do you mean, your body can produce the exact amount of glucose it needs. This is even without eating glucose from some food source.
>your body can produce the exact amount of glucose it needs
Out of what? Thin fricking air?
>out of this particular nutrient
Ok, so why eat that nutrient for the body to then produce glucose out of it, when you can just eat the glucose itself?
>Out of what? Thin fricking air?
Obviously not. It's not made out of "nothing"
You do know that the body can produce glucose itself though, right?
>Ok, so why eat that nutrient for the body to then produce glucose out of it, when you can just eat the glucose itself?
Well mainly for stability. You can have incredibly stable bloodsugar that isn't toxic to any cells and is never too lower either.
You produce the exact amount you need, rather than flooding the system with it, and forcing cells to either burn it off, lock off access of glucose to the cell(to keep the cell safe).
Think of it this way. When you say you want chikken nuggets for your dinner. Do you have a specific amount in mind? Say as plate full? What would happen if you asked for a plate full of nuggets and I come to your room with a truckload and start flooding chiken nuggies into your room to the point where you can't move around properly. Eventually you will tryt to hut the door to the room, to keep the nuggies from flooding in, just to keep yourself safe.
That's what happens with cells.
This also happens when you feed cells glucose and fat at the same time. Which is why the number one way to cause issues for your cell metabolism, is to pile on fat and carbs on at the same time.
They are far better off getting either fat low carb, or carb low fat. In terms of cell metabolism.
Other things to consider is things like nutrient density of the food, tooth decay etc.
For instance you can use only glucose to fuel your cells, but then you have to keep your fat intake low, and then you have to question if you are getting your nutrition need met when you limit fats heavily.
Anyway high fat high carb combo is the giga moron move as far as my research goes.
If you don't believe me, just go high fat low carb, high carb, low fat, high fat high carb for mmm 3 months each. See how you feel.
meat and sugar =/= fat and sugar
?????????? how is this related to what I said?
>high fat high carb combo is the giga moron move as far as my research goes.
this is not peaty
>this is not peaty
Interesting considering this:
>coffee with sugar and saturated fat
>Then why is orange juice and milk advocated?
Dunno, as I said I disagree with Petes stuff.
>Isn't orange juice basically carb water? Why is cheese advocated? Why is sucrose advocated? Aren't they fat and carbs and carbs and fat?
Yeah, which is why I look at petes diet as a questionable proposition at best.
It makes no sense to stuff yourself full of fat and carbs at the same time.
>How can you mix these foods then say you can't mix fat and carbs?
You clearly think I'm advocate of pete, I'm not.
>Which is why the number one way to cause issues for your cell metabolism, is to pile on fat and carbs on at the same time
Then why is orange juice and milk advocated? Doesn't milk contain fat? Isn't orange juice basically carb water? Why is cheese advocated? Why is sucrose advocated? Aren't they fat and carbs and carbs and fat?
Take
For example. Milk, butter, ice cream and cheese are all fats (among other things)
But then you have potatoe, carrots, fruits, Mexican cola and honey, all carbs.
How can you mix these foods then say you can't mix fat and carbs?
As far as I've ever seen, it is impossible not to mix fats and carbs, literally impossible.
>it is impossible not to mix fats and carbs, literally impossible.
whoa careful bro, you'll trigger the McDougall ghouls and the diabetic keto shitters
peat's advice is to use fat to taste, which is literally impossible to indulge and overeat if it's mostly saturated, not even the staunchest ketogay can stomach foods cooked in a stick of butter or coffee with 50 grams of ghee, that's what's defined as a high fat meal
>peat's advice is to use fat to taste, which is literally impossible to indulge and overeat if it's mostly saturated
>bro put fat into your coffee with your sugar, oh no I don't advocate you add fat to sugars, merely to taste
>not even the staunchest ketogay can stomach foods cooked in a stick of butter or coffee with 50 grams of ghee, that's what's defined as a high fat meal
Oh please, fat is tasty and you can easily eat it. Literally cook all my foods in butter/ghee.
>bro put fat into your coffee
i don't remember him recommending this
>fat is tasty and you can easily eat it
not saying it isn't, key word here is overeat, and dawg i use coco oil and butter to cook, and even then i can easily realize when i overdo the cooking fats
>i don't remember him recommending this
then what the frick is this anon
advocating for?
a tsp of coco oil with lots of sugar won't trigger the randle cycle you autist
Ray Peat advises against excess cardio but was for big muscles
but cardio gives you more mitochondria, which you're deficient in if you've been pufa poisoned as most people have been
Also you should just look at things he actually said.
>inhibits t4 to t3 conversion in the liver
>estrogenic directly but also via prostaglandin production
>arachidonic acid itself is also highly inflammatory
>suppresses immune system
>destabilises membranes
also most of the harmful effects is that they DO oxidise no matter what
considering non oxidised pufa is moronic bc it WILL become oxidised at some point whether inside or outside the organism when you consume them and they get stored they are ticking timebombs
and when they get incorporated into mitochondrial membranes as unsaturated cardiolipin, once they reach a critical mass a chain reaction happens where one polyunsaturated molecules breaks down into lipid peroxides, which further oxidise other pufas, creating more peroxides, etc until the membrane literally collapses and you get shriveled and dead mitochondria
in neurons/nerves you get the buildup in the insulating sheaths are nerves and when you get the destabilization of those membranes you get serious neurodegenerative diseases
lipid peroxides from pufa oxidation oxidise lipoproteins, which is what leads to plaque buildups and cardiovascular disease (not to mention the heart has the highest concentration of mitochondria and is the most susceptible organ to metabolic stress)
just every fricking chronic disease that exists in the modern age has pufa implicated
like i said its a waste of time arguing with people like you who have no desire to further their understanding, but if you actually cared youd read the article that i linked in my prior post which refutes the idea that pufas are essential:
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
Unsaturated fats are bad but claiming people shouldn't get dietary 03 in today's processed hell world are moronic considering people have desaturase indexes worse than CAFO farmed pigs.
Brad marshall at fireinabottle.com has some good write ups.
Dawg why are you fighting PUFA with PUFA just eat more coconut oil
Because it is extremely difficult to make o3 endogenously and much like magnesium, most u.s. foods and soils the food comes from is depleted.
im not going to make an effort post refuting this idiotic shit you pulled out of your ass so I'll just link some relevant articles that refute you instead, in case anyone wants to read them
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
>Glucose is far better than fructose
Fructose is needed by the liver to optimize thyroid. Something Peat is big on. Adding more fructose back into my diet cured my Raynauds.
I think he says like 50/50 right?
not that guy but I know he liked sucrose too
>Fructose is needed by the liver to optimize thyroid.
No. Unless by optimize you mean slow down metabolism to pack on the fat for the winter.
>fructose slows down metabolism
that dumb poolack Lustig should be flogged
>low PUFAs
>sugar is good
>high carb, low fat
Haha holy shit this man memed IST into eating the exact opposite of what the sum of the body of literature recommends
This is amazing, I can't wait until a generation of meme ISTner end up fat with pre-diabetes
>the sum of the body of literature
It's always strange to me how everyone outwardly agrees that institutions and corporations are morally compromised and will do things that are bad in order to advance their own goals, but that they might do something like falsify a study, or even just lie, is just too much to believe.
This. It's mind boggling how fricking stupid some people are.
Um, sweetie, that would take too many people. It is literally impossible for there to be more than two people who withhold information from the public. There are no possible ways to contain information or otherwise coerce people into keeping their mouths shut at risk of injury or death. If it were true, it would be on TV.
Le sum body of literature sure has worked out well for Amerifats.
literal npc
says the moron that gravitates toward meme diets that align with his schizophrenic delusions
>This guy smugly says that those will cause diabetes
You cant make this shit up
enjoy YOUR coming diabetes boyo
>PUFA consumption goes up
>Sugar consumption goes down
>Red meat & saturated fat consumption goes down
>Rates of cancer, cardiovascular disease & diabetes magically go up drastically despite le sum of the body of literature
>Don't you dare question the expertise of the experts™ chud
I fricking love science
science (tm) is nothing but a psyop outlet by now
It's basically just
>saturated fat is good because it doesn't oxidize
>sucrose & glucose is good for you. Cooked starch is good for most people unless they have an endotoxin issue.
>pufa isn't actually essential
Then it gets deeper than that but this is the practical shit.
What it is NOT
>drink 2L of coconut oil a day, you COOK with it
>honey cultism. The people attributing honey to him are people pushing paleo memes. Honey has barely any minerals, if any at all. Including raw. Honey is mostly fructose too.
>gomad + 2L orange juice. He never drank this much liquid, it's sourced from "personal email" the author never showed.
I agree with pretty much all of these but the extensions people have made to it are almost all bad.
t. rock eater who is visited by the ghost of ray peat every night
Listening to people on that forum is worse than getting all your advice here but that doesn't say anything about Peat.
Most of what you wrote is correct but on this
+ 2L orange juice. He never drank this much liquid
You are wrong. Here's the man himself:
>up to a gallon of milk a day
>an egg, fried in butter
>orange juice, as much as is available, atleast a pint, preferably more
>almost every day some kind of gelatinous soup
>typically once a week some oysters and some liver
Man drank a frickload and yes I know that contradicts one of his own articles.
>should I feel good?
Up to you.
I want to lose weight (I'm skinny fat). What would Ray Peat recommend me to do?
OJ, low fat milk and a low fat diet
>inb4 what macros
The ones that allow you to have energy throughout the day
Also build some muscle.
Don't "hop on his diet" take from it things you believe could aid you and incorporate them into your own eating regiment.
ray peat laughed at the idea of a "ray peat diet" and basically (paraphrasing) said in response to it "I'd like to know what that is bc theres no such thing as far as I know"
his basic motto is "perceive think act"
he provides a set of principles and ideas but its up to you to understand and apply them, peoples dietary needs are very different
read his articles here if youre interested: raypeat.com/articles
takes some biochemistry/endocrinology knowledge to understand some things but you can find the relevant info if youre smart and can use a search engine
I suggest starting with the articles on fats and sugar, but read whatever interests you
the email exchange archive is also a gold mine: https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges
other resources are danny roddy's youtube channel/substack, haidut.me and haiduts posts on the raypeatforum (the forum gets insane/moronic sometimes so I wouldnt suggest browsing there until youre well acquainted with the ideas), toxinless.com,
He had opinions about what you should and shouldn't eat. Most peaters have a very similar diet.
GOAT image
Where's the meat
Where's the gains
Wait no chicken,lamb,goat?
i'm a casual Peater but I think lamb and goat are in the Peat spirit. Chicken has a lot of PUFAs due to the normal diet for meat birds.
>chicken
it's okay if you go for the leaner breeds and not the farm raised obese broilers on the goymarket, pasture raised broilers are okay-ish
>lamb, goat
ruminants
doesnt is sound like doing what is everybody already doing? All those ideas are already implemented in my diet, didnt even heard about the guy
>What's the big deal with this Shakespeare guy? His writing is just nonstop cliches I've heard a hundred other places!
you need to go deeper anon
>pigs wearing sweaters
Gets me every time
there was a sequel made very recently by T3maxxi
ray peated for 3 years ama
where do you find these?
1983 fainting epidemic qrd?
I don't get it
Genious but no point trying to discuss his stuff on IST. Pearls to swine type deal.
post body
I was listening to a Peat interview the other day and he said forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry puts stress on the body and can slow down the motility of digestion. Being in the bodybuilding 'lifestyle' for close to a decade now I feel like I've adopted a lot of unhealthy habits in regards to foods, especially this one.
Everyone around these parts knows the "You gotta eat big to get big C'MON" mindset, and I'm guilty of it. The permabulking state where you're essentially force feeding yourself.
I understand where he's coming from and gorging on food when you're not hungry certainly feels stressful, but I couldn't find any data on this when I looked. All the studies were relating to overeating in context of making you gain wait, which, no shit is stressful on the body and bad for you. But what about when controlling for wait gain? Is eating when not hungry still just as bad? What are the mechanism? Does it increase cortisol and other stress hormones or something?
>I was listening to a Peat interview the other day and he said forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry puts stress on the body and can slow down the motility of digestion. Being in the bodybuilding 'lifestyle' for close to a decade now I feel like I've adopted a lot of unhealthy habits in regards to foods, especially this one.
kudos for figuring out you've been a moron for 10 years. better late than never.
very bitter and nasty reply for a sincere question. Not very Peaty. You sound high in estrogen, prolactin, and serotonin. Try upping your milk and coffee intake + supplementing progesterone and thyroid.
thanks, will do!
no problem, best of luck!
A large part of Peat's thoughts on the body, and likely one of the hardest to imbibe for how against the popular understanding it is, is the functioning of serotonin in the organism -- serotonin as something produced fundamentally by stress. As a general principle, all that's bound by routine, obligation, unwilling necessity; anything that eliminates autonomy and the capacity for personal freedom at all is stressful, and serotonin is usually what is produced as a result. Serotonin behaviourally regulates conformity and is basically 'of the crowd' -- what Peat tends to call 'authoritarian'.
Some reading:
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/dark-side-of-stress-learned-helplessness.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/serotonin-disease-aging-inflammation.shtml
https://chronicot.wordpress.com/2021/11/24/oxytocin-not-serotonin-is-the-pro-social-hormone/
but what does this have to do with underlying mechanism that causes eating when one's not hungry to be stressful?
Off of general principle, being bound by obligation that works against the needs or wants of the body is serotonergic. More specifically, overeating tends to increase aromatase (thus increasing estrogen), and the lessened insulin sensitivity can increase estrogen -- estrogen is also very linked to the stress systems of the body.
I see, thank you.
explains why the push SSRIs so aggressively, this theory fits into my schizo world view so it must be correct
they push SSRIs for depressed people, not for schizos and libertarians
they push ssris on anyone
lol
>they push SSRIs for depressed people, not for schizos and libertarians
arent those 2 the same
Redpill: serotonin/dopamine SSRI/LSD evil/good dichotomy is real, SSRIs are mind numbing drugs pushed by the CIA as a reaction to LSD (all mind control experiments woth LSD failed)
Pic related is albert hoffmann at the age of 102
What does Peat think of Pasteurized milk? It's impossible to find raw milk where I live.
I prefer whole milk to low fat milk. I only buy 100% grass-fed. Should I still be concerned about the estrogen?
I only drink whole
With other antiestrogenic measures taken it should not be an issue, especially if the milk is grassfed
There is no "Ray Peat diet". Just eat the carrot salad, eat the sugar, and don't eat the seed oils.
Lived to 83.
Where did you get that from moron? He lived till 86
Did he ever talk about fasting?
No, seed oils are healthy
Yeah just like arsenic
*sneed
Peat died in a metabolic meltdown incident. 100 people in the vicinity were vaporized.
That's how you win
hes some sort of esoteric lysenkoist who has his own theory of the body where it works best when every single cell is strong individually and then it works together or something.
his followers are a weird mix of supplement store grifters, ex-vegans/carnivores/keto, twitter nazis/evolian right wingers, flatearthers and paranoid hypochondriac moms
his info and approach seems good though
>ex-vegans/carnivores/keto
hey i was all of them lol, add prolonged fast to that list and that was me 2 years ago, that's why i'm so hostile to vegans and ketogays here
Based, I'm in the same boat, 10 years vegan, 2 years ketogay (but mostly cyclical keto, the only kind that doesn't suck dog dicks because of weekend carb-ups), and a one-year IF cultist.
Eventually, if you live long enough and aren't mentally handicapped, you come to grips that CICO rules over all and every meme diet is just that, a fricking meme. If you can make it work and work well, so be it, but few people can. Just eat less, move more, and stop making excuses about blood types, ancestry, etc. for why a specific diet is the "only option" for fat loss.
does any of this stuff works? Like, why nobody talks about bag breathing more if co2 is so important to the human body?
obligatory
what country's plain packaging is that on the snus tin? canada or australia?
norwegian
I wish I could find liver that nice. Where do you monkeys get your liver?
This thread might drive me into a rabbit hole. Many problems, specially constipation-induced depression, went away because I acidentally spent a week eating meat and drinking coke. I'm calling it "sweet carnivore". The only days I remember to be homeostatic from the last year were the ones I only ate meat and drank sweetened, caffeinated beverages. What I'm seeing about this man in this thread is endorsing that's the right thing to do.
always follow your intuition
Meat (non muscles) and naturally occurring sugar (fruit and starchy vegetables) is all you need
And what is non-muscle meat?
Liver/kidney/heart
The heart is literally a muscle
Ah, so you just wanted to argue. Perhaps someone else will be in the mood.
Just admit you were wrong
Ok buddy
I meant skeletal muscle you dumbarse
from what i remember when i was peak peating in 2020 pre pandemic was:
>being outside more
>going on mountain
>running
>staying lean
>tons of oj (3l per day)
>insane amounts of hard cheese (local ones, the weird italian ones)
>talking with my dog (srs)
>actually taking risk of talking to girls (that's how i met my gf)
>having a consinstent sleep schedule
>ice cream everyday
>6 cups of coffee a day
Don't take any of this for granted its just what worked for ME.
Im at my worst now btw. (not peating atm)
I hardcore peated last year for a couple months, half a gallon of milk a day, oj, coffee, cheese, mexican coke, quality beef/lamb, some schizo experimentation with supplement and it was the absolute highlight of my year
was also when i started working out consistently (lifting rocks in my yard) and walking a lot
very fond memories
>half a gallon of milk a day
this helped
>oj
core of peating that's what eliminated my stress.
>coffee
coffee is the final redpill for being happy
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
>cheese
lowers stress
>mexican coke
can't find this in europe, i replaced it with normal cola
>quality beef/lamb
lamb good in moderation
>some schizo experimentation with supplement
if aspirin is not schizo, Aspirin turns off estrogen response
Anyway memes aside if i followed a ray peat based nutrition in 2023 based of the knowledge i have NOW it would be completely different diet than 2020. I already have it printed and i should start it soon, its god mode.
mexican coke is only for americans bc our normal coke is made with corn syrup while mexican coke (ostensibly) is not
the rest of the world has good quality sugared coke
yesterday i learned they make sugar coke for israelites for passover, go stock up brah
>Aspirin turns off estrogen response
I need more info on that
Why is it just a memory?
It was making my vegana heal over too quickly and I spent all my time dilating
life hasnt been good to me lately
>local ones, the weird italian ones
americans learn about cheese
so can i justify a soda addiction if i start getting the mexican cokes? is it actually beneficial
>fatties hopping on yet another meme diet to justify their addiction to shit foods
post body
>post body
not the anon but OJ is a killer for fat people. Its a liquid sugar, what IST has been against for a very long time
He was the last alchemist
I mean he died so I wouldn't listen to his diet advice
why does he hate fasting?
High stress and bad for the metabolism.
The stress is temporary and strengthens the body's ability to handle future stress, and the metabolic effect is extremely exaggerated. I think fasting is an area where Peat was shortsighted.
I owe dr peat a lot
I used to like his work but after joining the forum it took one week for me to realize all these people are fricking morons, even the "smart" ones.
>haidut: fat IT guy telling people how to gain massive muscles and get shredded by guzzling butter
>hans: 170lb trt boomer telling people that the secret is thousand dollars of supplements a year. The extent of his actually good advice is "milk has good quality protein" which I knew my first week lifting.
>an ex-vegan that eats rocks. Not salt, actual rocks and makes essays about rocks.
>schizos saying they see the ghost of Ray Peat and nobody calls them moronic
>boomer men that use the forums to spout their facebook shit like ACTUALLY, RIDING A BIKE IS BAD FOR YOU AND GAS IS CLEANER
>the rest: soccer moms saying they "transformed" their body and then the picture is just them pulling their pants up higher
Literally going to go out and buy some brazil nuts and have a couple every day because there's no way these guys are right.
>followers are moronic
>think it means anything for the originator
You're moronic
This is like subscribing to conservatism specifically because democrats are moronic (or vice versa)
the #1 spokesperson for the diet is some fat gypsy
anyone taking the diet seriously is a genuine moron
~~*Haidut*~~ just happens to own a store where he sells stuff supported by his research (which is all cherrypicked and when the researchers claim something against him he says the data was manipulated)
Peat never even visited the forums for a very good reason
Ps: i was permabanned for calling that one guy who keeps spamming completely moronic threads (flat earth, everything is serotonin, red car lights raise my metabolism, wearing a hat 24/7 has quintupled my testosterone, etc) moronic and then the admin said that i was a "nefarious agent" because i wasn't part of the "mind so open the brain falls out" 24/7 circlejerk
rpf really is unironically a gem
moronic socialist
When I see peatards talking about OJ, why not eat the whole fricking orange? Why? How, and under which circumstances is some grocery store bought juice better than the real thing? What oj you're talking about? Every single orange juice I have even found in all my life is made out of concentrate, unless you manually juice the fruit and drink it that way. No way in fricking hell that concenteate juice shit is better than the real fruit.
So what the frick are we talking about here?
imagine evolving for god knows how many thousands of years with a diet and then some moron comes along and says you should consume a bunch of squeeze juice of a fruit that you can't get year round in big quantities to get for your meals
It's just so profoundly moronic. Yeah, thats what we evolved around, sure.
Let me just go feed my cat some pasta for it's "health".
Subscribing to one person's ideas on something like diet is profoundly moronic
Muh ebolutionary diet!!! muh ancestors!!!
>organism evolves around a certain diet for tens of thousands of years
>bah that is all crap, I can eat anything I want
feed your dogs chocolate, feed your cat carbs, evolution is deboonked!
>I need to engage in evolutionary conjecture to figure out if something is dangerous to eat or not
>I am going to eat like my supposed ancestors (but only a specific bunch of them for some reason) and LARP as a hunter gatherer as I eat my store bought beef
>If I eat like muh ancestors, I'm going to be healthy, regardless of how alien my environment would be to said ancestors
i think it's time for your next ozempic shot you fat frick
You probably use thos argument while still not being against seed oils
>They hated him because he spoke the truth
<muh orange juice, good for you
>ray pete the boomer was a victim of propaganda
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makes sense
not watching your videos bro
Humans evolved in tropical climates where fruit was available all year. We've branched out to more extreme climates since, but your digestive system has not changed in any significant way since the days when you lived in a tropical forest and spent all day foraging for food, the majority of which was fruit. Fruit, by the way, is the only food that was literally designed for you to eat. It is grown by a plant with the express intent that you eat it as a method of seed distribution.
that does not mean industrializing the production of fruit and chugging down mass produced concentrated juice daily
and if you're making this evolutionary appeal you'd also be against guzzling down a gallon of milk a day
>that does not mean industrializing the production of fruit
Why would this matter? You need to do more than throw buzzwords at me.
>chugging down mass produced concentrated juice daily
More buzzwords. "Mass produced", "concentrated", why does it matter? At the end of the day, I'm getting 80% of my calories from fruit and my ancient ancestor was getting 80% of his calories from fruit. Past that, the details don't matter.
Berries growing in the wild might have a better micronutrient profile than farmed berries but I don't have the option to spend all day foraging for berries. Eating farmed fruit is 100x better than not eating fruit at all because it's "industrialized, mass produced, concentrated fruit".
>and if you're making this evolutionary appeal you'd also be against guzzling down a gallon of milk a day
I don't recall mentioning milk in my post.
idk why you sound so serious/angry its almost comical
juice is better bc its concentrated and doesnt have fiber
but theres nothing wrong with eating the oranges themselves
and ofc you should want fresh juice ideally, thats why he emphasises buying *sweet* orange juice over sour
real fresh squeezed is like nectar of the gods, its so sweet with no sourness
but most of the time I buy whole foods brand 365 organic orange juice, its pretty delicious especially when the oranges are in season in the winter but I can taste the quality starting to decline this time of year
basically to tell if you have good quality oj gauge how sweet it is, it shouldnt be too sour, and the color should ideally be orange not yellow
the deeper the orange color the better, the paler it is the worse the quality will be generally
and of course fresh squeezed is best
but theres nothing wrong with concentrate theoretically, peat said hed stock up on concentrate in orange season so that hed be able to make good juice in the winter (the off season where he lived at the time)
but i havent been able to find nice sweet orange juice concentrate
isn't sugar linked to hair loss pretty extensively? I mean id love to eat honey, mexican coke, and sweets all day but i dont want to go bald tbh
why do peaters hate cardio
Catabolism
Yeah bro, some nobody scientist with no peer reviewed publications and with an internet cult following seems like a good source. Start consuming 200g of sugar a day like he advises.
Zoomers are so braindead they deserve to die of diabeetus. I wonder what the muttperm looks like after 15 years of decay in the coffin
sugar doesn't cause beetus you brainwashed homosexual, keep lustig's dick out of your mouth
Peer review has been the death of science.
Maybe to a point but by excess he means quite a lot. You know how auschwitz modes really long distance runners get usually?
where da peer reviews bro!??!? i can't talk about this peat guy on reddit if he's not on pubmed!!!
I hope peet sees this from hell, bro
so edgy
imagine how much suffering peat has caused in giving idiots type 2 and causing them to amass huge dentist bills
peat himself was missing half his fricking teeth, they probably just rotted out
go dunk your broccolihead in cold water homosexual, wake up
>cold water
way to out yourself as a cortisol junkie, now be a good goy and follow israeliteberman's advice of fasted cardio and cold plunge until you go bald
Peat ate a diet of only wheat germ in the 60's which destroyed his teeth because it has shitloads of phosphorus and no calcium
>sugar doesn't cause diabetes
for sure bro. keep drinking that apple juice
post blood work, i was fricking prediabetic when i did keto and my blood glucose normalized when i applied peat's principles
how do you frick up keto that bad
Dietary fat causes insulin resistance and blood glucose issues, here's zerocarb hero Shawn Baker: prediabetic despite eating nothing but meat with the testosterone of an old man, although to be fair the last part is from being off a steroid cycle.
>Dietary fat causes insulin resistance and blood glucose issues
No.
>here's zerocarb hero Shawn Baker: prediabetic despite eating nothing but meat
Based on what?
I don't see blood insulin, I don't see blood glucose. All I see is Hemoglobin A1c, which can be gamed by extending or reducing the lifespan of red blood cells. As the A1c only shows how much blood glucose a red blood cell is exposed to during it's life time. And if you have a diet that reduces oxadative stress for example and extends life cycle of blood cells, it will also increase the A1c simply through the virtue of long life spawn of blood cells.
Inversely, you could have an environment that kills blood cells faster and they need to be replaced, and that would drive the A1c down as well, as they simply don't get to accumulate it. Say favism and oxidative stress for example.
So me thinks you are being dishonest and trying to find a "ah gotcha" through misleading shit.
Enlighten us on what causes insulin resistance, diabetes etc et al oh wise one
>trust the science chud
is it just the internet that causes all these morons to come out of the woodwork to seethe at anything and everything
Yes, but it's also because Ray Peat's followers are a cult. You have moronic ideas that are easily disproven. You will always hand wave away clear evidence against Peat and point to some Ray Peat approved 'evidence'. It's the same reason people seethe at vegans.
>hand wave away clear evidence against Peat
>so clear I won't even post a single example lmao
Latest fit trend, it was literally just one anon screaming about seed oils 4 years ago but he managed to recruit. The timeline…
> 2008-2011 - CICO
> 2012-2013 - Paleo
> 2014-2018 - Keto
> 2019-2020 - Carnivore
> 2021-Now - Peat
It’s the usual story. Some fatties adopt any diet other than endless gourging on standard American diet and as a result loses weight.
They then become evangelical about how that diet is superior for everything (weight loss, health, fitness, etc…) and min max it to the point of sickness.
They’ll eventually revert to SAD again and gain weight before starting the cycle with a new diet.
Give it time and most the peat-tard and former carnivores will be vegan for a couple years.
why is he against fasting? i can't take anyone against fasting (an Aryan activity of the highest order) seriously
he's against moronic prolonged fasts
>define moronic prolonged.
all those 72 hrs and 96 hrs beyond, mass replier-chan
If you want to chase autophagy for whatever reasons such as anti-cancer then autophagy kicks in hardest around after the 3rd day. So if that's your goal then thats how long you have to go for.
Though I imagine doing this kind of thing regularly is questionable, rather something you do a couple times per year or whatever.
Also your digestion takes longer to start back up the longer you fast.
So while 2-3 day fasts you can pretty much jump back into real food, with your first meal being a bit light.
Stuff beyond that requires more hassle.
22 hour fasts and 2 hour eating window is what I do for cuts myself.
you're moronic if you don't engage in regular fasting honestly
if you're scared drink some more orange juice afterward lol
you're saying the exact same thing that i was saying two years ago, see you soon at raypeatforums.com
>you're moronic if you don't engage in regular fasting
frick off shill
Shill for what? Who makes money off of not eating?
> Avoiding seed oils is absolutely legit though
Every diet cultist says their diet is absolutely legit
You’ll be a vegan in two years lads and something else two years after that. As is fit tradition.
The only things I learned are worth avoiding besides processed crap.
Is Seed oils because of pufa. (but okay if it's fresh from the source)
Fructose(I don't even care what somebody says, it just makes me feel sick, so I enjoy the fruits only seasonally and in limited quantity)
Naturally I don't drink alcohol at all.
>You’ll be a vegan in two years lads
Veganism is utterly moronic, but better than SAD diet. People can find success on it before nutrient deficiencies kick in at 3-5 years. Otherwise the low fat high carb stuff means their mitochondria are working correctly in handling the sugar they throw at it.
>You’ll be a vegan in two years lads and something else two years after that. As is fit tradition.
at this point Ive realized that the fad diets are there to keep my mind occupied. If I were to adhere to a single diet everytime, I would honestly lose all hopium and copium that I hold in me, and would subsequently kms. As long as there is shine and glitter in front of me I will chase it mindlessly, maybe losing some pounds along the way.
>muh randle cycle
>muh seed oils
>muh oxidization
these cultist morons will point to literally a single study or two to provide evidence for their dogshit claims and then ignore 200k+ studies compiled into metal-analysis reports as "basedience"
sun your balls, bro
>200k+ studies compiled into metal-analysis reports
Garbage in, garbage out. A meta-analysis of a bunch of shit studies is still shit. I don't know why you would think any differently.
Not to mention that it's all bought and paid for by the goyslop industry
this just in
sounds like a lardass
Orthorexic kook
>What's the consensus.I want to do what everyone else does.
You failed right out of the gate
caffeine is a vitamin
The guy and most of his followers are absolute geniuses.
Avoid PUFA and seed oils
Sugar is good for you
Saturated fat is good for you
Red meat is good for you
Avoid chemical infused and processed crap, many food additives and highly processed stuff is toxic
Your diet is your life - shit diet and you have shit health, its really that simple. (que some fricking moron and their anecdote about muh friend eating unhealthy and being fine, its definitely bullshit)
Its sad yet hilarious seeing all these moronic nay sayers and denyier in here as well. Haidut is a genius and looks great for his age (he also was on the standard unhealthy diet for a long time before ray peat, his supplements are also totally legit... if you think haidut is insidious with supplements then you much think all supplement companies are a complete and utter demonic shit show and wouldn't even touch ANY supplement.)
I think ray peat ideas are so controversial to the midwit idiot becuase they are abascally the opposite of the current modern medical dogma... so these people get offended that they have apparently been doing everthing wrong and so claim hes a quack and full of shit
These guys say "look at all the SCIENCE we have supporting the medical dogma! (when you actually look at it, its nowhere near as solid as the dogma says it is, many studies find the opposite, cant be repeated, etc.) these guys also say that research studies are THE GOSPEL, yet when a study comes out that proves ray peat stuff right, its cherry picked bullshit.
and seriously? you think modern day medicine and health ideas are working? Worldwide, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, BALDING, cancer, etc... are exploding. These dieseases of civilization were nearly NON EXISITENT 150 years ago, none of these things ever killed people. THEY ARE A MODERN PHENOMENON.
Doctors are also completely unable to cure them, they just prescribe meds or do surgery, yet the problems persist and dont go away.
Wake the frick up
I wouldn't say most
its definitely most, a handful of forum schizos doesnt negate the REAL DEAL knowledge on the site
Normal supplements aren't dissolved in DMSO which he only uses for a shock effect
Haidut is obese and bald and looks like shit, he lives in fricking DC, he's probably a glowBlack person
There is nothing wrong with DMSO chud
cope and seethe gay, post body
theyre dissolved in dmso bc theyre meant to be topical/transdermal and dmso is known to increase transdermal availability
its also to dissolve very insoluble molecules
you are so fricking stupid its unreal
Yes and he uses it to make it more noticable so it sells more
Constantly flooding your body with some weird solvent has nothing to do with health
Enjoy your baldness gayit
lol why do peaters get so angry at everything? isn't the point of his diet to reduce stress and make you happy? doesn't look like it's working
>smacks sleeping bear with stick
>"why did the bear get angry I thought it was sleeping he looked so stress free and happy"
>These dieseases of civilization were nearly NON EXISITENT 150 years ago
Balding has always been common.
The first recorded description of diabetes comes from the ancient Greeks, cancer as well.
Heart disease and diabetes are simply the consequences of providing constant, easy access to calorie-dense foods. Literally any organism will overeat in these conditions and the fact that not all humans are obese is a testament to our willpower.
You can shill for Ray without this absurd hyperbole, anon.
>ray peat thread
>not a single mention of the bioenergetic goat
eh he doesn't seem all that energetic to me.
I've watch a couple podcasts with him and he sounds like a low energy c**t t b h f a m.
Leo wik has great humour, tho.
Danny Roddy can also be funny when he isn't on israeliteTube.
Kyle pls go
All of haidut's tinctures are designed to make you look like him
Coffee gives me heart palpitations, what should I do? I take it with milk.
don't take it on an empty stomach
I usually have OJ and banana for breakfast and drink coffee right after.
Drink it after breakfast?