Don't listen to this fricker. Returning to slim from fat is really hard. Frick the bulking nonsense, carb up only one day a week (your rest day) then eat clean with high protein the other six days.
Tldr stop being a pig and stop taking weight-loss advice from pigs.
>carb up only one day a week (your rest day) then eat clean with high protein the other six days.
Why so? I'd assume carbs would fuel your workouts, while contributing far less to the rest day. High protein needs no explanation of course.
Yes it does. I've done it, also, think about it logically, why the frick would your body not be able to burn fat and build muscle at the same time? >"U-uh can I BLINK and BREATHE at the same time?" >Some moron: Nah dawg >You with the moronation virus from that guy: oof lel
for this >Implying you need roids for that body
It's unironically over for you. It's literally 1.5 years of hypertrophy work from non-lard/skelly mode
4 months ago
Anonymous
Post body
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Post body
I'm the "roided" guy. Took me 1 year and 6 months of consistent hypertrophy work with extral side delt sets. Stop hating and hop off the copeshitter bandwagon into the hypertrophy. I'll never understand why 9/10 tards on this board unironically shills for compounds
4 months ago
Anonymous
>1 year and 6 months
But I'll be 30 by then
4 months ago
Anonymous
Advice on any particular things or a program I should be doing?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Advice on any particular things or a program I should be doing?
My sole advice is to do extra sets on the muscles most important to you. Mine are side delts so I made sure to do a lot of extra sets. If you want to be attractive, focus on the T shape (narrow waist, and wide shoulders). I can't give you my program since it's highly likely it's shitty and only works on me, if you do 8 sets of side delt excercises 3 times per week like me you'll end up ACKing your shoulder cuffs. Granted I did monkey rows, which is arguably the safest side delt excercise, but still.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks. I think I'm doing fine from the sounds of it, I've been slowly increasing weight on the high rep exercises I've been doing. Do you also do any of the major 4 barbell exercises or no?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Thanks. I think I'm doing fine from the sounds of it, I've been slowly increasing weight on the high rep exercises I've been doing. Do you also do any of the major 4 barbell exercises or no?
Nope, can't be bothered. I don't care about strength, only aesthetics. Even just by doing hypertrophy you'll still eventually become stronger than 8/10 normies so what's the point, really?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Looks like I got some homework to do then
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nope, can't be bothered
You don't even do bench presses and rows? How did you develop your back and chest then?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't even do bench presses and rows? How did you develop your back and chest then?
I do 20x4 pullups and 12x4 DB benchpress on my arms/chest/back days. I have a total weekly volume of 12 sets for back. Sadly, it seems my chest is hyper responsive and grew too much, which is why I'm doing fewer sets with lower weights nowadays.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing is more pathetic than obvious roidtrannies who pretend to be natty. Don't even reply to me you lying womanbrained homosexual.
Depends just how weak you are and how much of a beginner you are. If you're on those noob gains, feel free to cut a little: you're so weak you'll still gain.
If you're past noob gains, that's a more difficult question.
You cannot gain mass if you're at a caloric deficit. This guy either forgot to mention he's not natty or he didn't count his calories right and was bulking when he thought he was cutting.
>You cannot gain mass if you're at a caloric deficit
True, but you can gain muscle while on a deficit, like did you even read it? Or is the fatty cope glazing your eyes over kek
>You cannot gain mass if you're at a caloric deficit
True, but you can gain muscle while on a deficit, like did you even read it? Or is the fatty cope glazing your eyes over kek
The guy who I replied to clearly gained mass, brainlets. He didn't just recomp, he gained a shitton more mass. You can't do that on a caloric deficit.
Not one of those anons but I did misread your post, my bad
I'm pretty sure gutsanon didn't purely recomp from before to after, more like there's a missing inbetween pic where he has cut his fat significantly and has a good base from which to build mass and reach the after pic
Fact is, going from skinnyfat to skinny via recomp is an improvement
Then you can go from skinny to slim to actually muscular from that base
But going from skinnyfat to fat by bulking is a regression
>I'm pretty sure gutsanon didn't purely recomp from before to after, more like there's a missing inbetween pic where he has cut his fat significantly and has a good base from which to build mass and reach the after pic
Correct! Here is the missing link. This was my progress after 5 months of lifting and cutting (March 2020-August 2020), I then began a slow clean bulk and an even slower recomp (1 year and some change)
4 months ago
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>5 months
wtf that's insane progress anon. i look pretty much identical to your 'before' pic right now, perhaps with a slightly bigger gut. can you give more specifics as to what you did? like how many calories you were cutting and what your workouts looked like?
basically i wanna be just like you kek
4 months ago
Anonymous
>that's insane progress
Yet I only lost some fat which made the little muscle I had visible. I was still skinny. But being skinny is a lot better than being skinnyfat. >how many calories you were cutting and what your workouts looked like?
I didn't know anything about diet or exercise at the time but I'll still try my best to describe what you should do based on my experience. >diet
I began by skipping breakfast. I don't know if the cool word on the street is intermittent fasting or if that's something different but that's what I did. My lunch was simple, a plate of food, either some form of meat with rice, or legumes like lentils or beans, followed with a salad. For afternoon I had some fruits and for dinner I had two slices of toasted bread with some cheese and 250ml of kefir. That's about it. Protein content in total couldn't have been more than 80g. I also cut out fast food and soda cold turkey. What I recommend you to do is add some Greek yoghurt too, because it's easy protein with not a lot of calories. >exercise
At that time I was only working with a measly 60lbs of plates, a pair of dumbbells and a barbell, floor pressing from the edge of my bed and cleaning the bar to squat and OHP. Obviously I don't recommend you do that. Instead follow a 3 day, hypertrophy focused (close to 3x10 for every lift) full body routine until you hit 1/2/3/4. DON'T WORRY ABOUT NUMBERS. If you can do cardio and pullups (I couldn't at the time) do that as well. Hope I could help breh
>Mercenary occupation is switched with idols since that's the closest to it
They are originally a band of 12 with Taylor as the main singer, but after Taylor makes Dua, the lone indie singer with a powerful, deep voice join, their Idol group experiences an even greater success where the group now seems to have two lead singers. They form a tight bond that is questioned when Dua and their producer overhear Taylor saying that she only views her colleges as background singers there to assist her in fulfilling her dream.
After Dua starts a solo career Taylor slips up and gets into a scandal and gets a drug problem after which she completely crashes.and blames Dua for being the only person she ever met who made her lose sight of her dream.
When Dua and the producer as well as the rest of the band help her rehabilitate she knows that her career is already over as her public image is tainted, and in a move of desperation she claims that the producer raped her and that Dua conspired against her, winning the trial after signing a contract with universal music group.
The idol group crumbles under the drama and Tylor starts her solo career while Dua is now the one with the tainted public image and has to slowly build up her fanbase again while still dealing with the lawsuit against her and the producer that got unrightfully convicted. Meanwhile Taylor becomes the greatest singer in the world landing hit after hit and becoming the first billionaire female singer.
I think there's two types of skinnyfat bodies: fat skinnyfat and skinny skinnyfat. I was the former, btw. So not talking out of my ass. I've also seen the second type.
If you are overweight BMI: you are fat. Cut.
If you are underweight or slightly normal, eg about 20-21: bulk until you're at least 24-25.
You should still lift AND do cardio either way. Be patient. Don't expect it to be fixed fast
>You should still lift AND do cardio either way.
Wrong, cardio kills your gains. Your body will use it's resources to recover from cardio rather than to build muscle. If by cardio you just mean getting your required steps in sure, but adding extra cardio to your workout is detrimental.
Cardio is very important if you want to be athletic and have good heart health. There's no way around it. Basically cardio is more important than weightlifting for overall health, though it's best to do both
Skinnyfat frick here.
I decided to bulk, because from what I know bulking and cutting are ideal for muscle growth (1 year bulk/cut > 1 year maingain) and if my long term goal is to put on as much muscle as possible, why should my current physique matter? I'm fine with getting fat for a couple months if it means I'll come out more shredded afterwards. We'll see how it plays out.
>I'm fine with getting fat for a couple months if it means I'll come out more shredded afterwards.
The fat fricks at the age of 40 didn't think the fat they gained at 20 would last them for two decades. It is exponentially harder to lose fat then to not gain it to begin with. You didn't have the discipline to work out up until now; what makes you think you'll have the discipline to lose weight in the future? Cut and recomp for three months while working out. If you can maintain that schedule for that much time, it means you have what it takes to actually do a bulk and cut.
So, I should artifically curb my gains because I may perhaps in the future not be able to train anymore? That's moronic. If I stop training for some reason, I'll take the L and go on a cut, but while I am training why the frick wouldn't I capitalize on every bit of gains I can get?
I don't even want to sound so offensive, maybe you're right, I'm still figuring things out, but I don't want to be one of those DYELs that realized they could've gotten so much bigger if they didn't fell for the maingain meme and just bulked and cutted like everyone else does.
fricking moron you arent artificially curbing anything you skinnyfat gay. Im 167lbs and bench 315. You dont need to be fat to build muscle. You only need to have above single digit bf and eat around 150g of protein
Have you ever actually done a cut? Again, it's easy to say on paper "then I'll just cut X calories for 6 weeks and it'll be easy" but the fact that two thirds of adults are obese should be a big indicator that there's more to it than that. Any and all weight loss is hard, REALLY HARD. Intentionally gaining weight when you have no first hand experience just how hard it is to lose it, is a recipe for disaster.
Recomp, always. Bulking and cutting is a meme for bodybuilders who are terrified of cardio. If you’re skinny, as you lift you will be hungrier, so eat. You don’t have to have a fricking buffet every day.
Are you a complete noob? I'd cut because as a beginner you have the opportunity to gain muscle even while losing weight. Just make sure you actually lift obviously.
However if your strength stalls then start eating at maintenance. If you strength stalls again, only then should you bulk.
and btw when bulking you should gain a MAXIMUM of 2 lbs a month. any more than that will be excessive fat. I learned that the hard way.
Bulk. If you fall into the vanity trap you'll never escape skinny fat.
Don't listen to this fricker. Returning to slim from fat is really hard. Frick the bulking nonsense, carb up only one day a week (your rest day) then eat clean with high protein the other six days.
Tldr stop being a pig and stop taking weight-loss advice from pigs.
>carb up only one day a week (your rest day) then eat clean with high protein the other six days.
Why so? I'd assume carbs would fuel your workouts, while contributing far less to the rest day. High protein needs no explanation of course.
Bulk. You're gonna look terrible if you cut at skinnyfat and you'll be surprised on how much you actually have to loose to be lean.
lmao that image
recomp btw, just eat at maintenance and lift, frick the fatties telling you to bulk, lean > everything
does recomp really work?
yes
oof lel
Nah dawg
>Nah dawg
Yes it does. I've done it, also, think about it logically, why the frick would your body not be able to burn fat and build muscle at the same time?
>"U-uh can I BLINK and BREATHE at the same time?"
>Some moron: Nah dawg
>You with the moronation virus from that guy: oof lel
Lmao
that's a no no today dawg lmaoo
I don't speak troony. You're gonna have to ungaygify this text for me.
Yea sure
Still no dawg lmaooo that body you so mad
>Roiding for this
for this
>Implying you need roids for that body
It's unironically over for you. It's literally 1.5 years of hypertrophy work from non-lard/skelly mode
Post body
>Post body
I'm the "roided" guy. Took me 1 year and 6 months of consistent hypertrophy work with extral side delt sets. Stop hating and hop off the copeshitter bandwagon into the hypertrophy. I'll never understand why 9/10 tards on this board unironically shills for compounds
>1 year and 6 months
But I'll be 30 by then
Advice on any particular things or a program I should be doing?
>Advice on any particular things or a program I should be doing?
My sole advice is to do extra sets on the muscles most important to you. Mine are side delts so I made sure to do a lot of extra sets. If you want to be attractive, focus on the T shape (narrow waist, and wide shoulders). I can't give you my program since it's highly likely it's shitty and only works on me, if you do 8 sets of side delt excercises 3 times per week like me you'll end up ACKing your shoulder cuffs. Granted I did monkey rows, which is arguably the safest side delt excercise, but still.
Thanks. I think I'm doing fine from the sounds of it, I've been slowly increasing weight on the high rep exercises I've been doing. Do you also do any of the major 4 barbell exercises or no?
>Thanks. I think I'm doing fine from the sounds of it, I've been slowly increasing weight on the high rep exercises I've been doing. Do you also do any of the major 4 barbell exercises or no?
Nope, can't be bothered. I don't care about strength, only aesthetics. Even just by doing hypertrophy you'll still eventually become stronger than 8/10 normies so what's the point, really?
Looks like I got some homework to do then
>Nope, can't be bothered
You don't even do bench presses and rows? How did you develop your back and chest then?
>You don't even do bench presses and rows? How did you develop your back and chest then?
I do 20x4 pullups and 12x4 DB benchpress on my arms/chest/back days. I have a total weekly volume of 12 sets for back. Sadly, it seems my chest is hyper responsive and grew too much, which is why I'm doing fewer sets with lower weights nowadays.
Nothing is more pathetic than obvious roidtrannies who pretend to be natty. Don't even reply to me you lying womanbrained homosexual.
wrong.
you can lean bulk and your overall bodyfat percentage will go down.
Yes. But a)is not magic; b)is very subtle.
lift weights at a calorie deficit. if you bulk you will just look fatter and hate it.
Literally every solution for a body starts with a cut.
Never trust a fat frick telling you to bulk.
Easier to drop weight with more muscle.
Depends just how weak you are and how much of a beginner you are. If you're on those noob gains, feel free to cut a little: you're so weak you'll still gain.
If you're past noob gains, that's a more difficult question.
if you're skinnyfat, you're fat. cut.
fresh off the press from a thread we had yesterday
You cannot gain mass if you're at a caloric deficit. This guy either forgot to mention he's not natty or he didn't count his calories right and was bulking when he thought he was cutting.
>You cannot gain mass if you're at a caloric deficit
True, but you can gain muscle while on a deficit, like did you even read it? Or is the fatty cope glazing your eyes over kek
Lmao, you cannot gain muscle on a cut, Black person
Yes you can, I'd try it before blindly believing everything you read on here, fat homosexual
Not true, widely proven to occur in basically all new lifters
OP, do this
This is incorrect. My arms are fricking huge compared to when I started and I've been cutting since the beginning
Stop giving out bullshit advice
The guy who I replied to clearly gained mass, brainlets. He didn't just recomp, he gained a shitton more mass. You can't do that on a caloric deficit.
Not one of those anons but I did misread your post, my bad
I'm pretty sure gutsanon didn't purely recomp from before to after, more like there's a missing inbetween pic where he has cut his fat significantly and has a good base from which to build mass and reach the after pic
Fact is, going from skinnyfat to skinny via recomp is an improvement
Then you can go from skinny to slim to actually muscular from that base
But going from skinnyfat to fat by bulking is a regression
>I'm pretty sure gutsanon didn't purely recomp from before to after, more like there's a missing inbetween pic where he has cut his fat significantly and has a good base from which to build mass and reach the after pic
Correct! Here is the missing link. This was my progress after 5 months of lifting and cutting (March 2020-August 2020), I then began a slow clean bulk and an even slower recomp (1 year and some change)
>5 months
wtf that's insane progress anon. i look pretty much identical to your 'before' pic right now, perhaps with a slightly bigger gut. can you give more specifics as to what you did? like how many calories you were cutting and what your workouts looked like?
basically i wanna be just like you kek
>that's insane progress
Yet I only lost some fat which made the little muscle I had visible. I was still skinny. But being skinny is a lot better than being skinnyfat.
>how many calories you were cutting and what your workouts looked like?
I didn't know anything about diet or exercise at the time but I'll still try my best to describe what you should do based on my experience.
>diet
I began by skipping breakfast. I don't know if the cool word on the street is intermittent fasting or if that's something different but that's what I did. My lunch was simple, a plate of food, either some form of meat with rice, or legumes like lentils or beans, followed with a salad. For afternoon I had some fruits and for dinner I had two slices of toasted bread with some cheese and 250ml of kefir. That's about it. Protein content in total couldn't have been more than 80g. I also cut out fast food and soda cold turkey. What I recommend you to do is add some Greek yoghurt too, because it's easy protein with not a lot of calories.
>exercise
At that time I was only working with a measly 60lbs of plates, a pair of dumbbells and a barbell, floor pressing from the edge of my bed and cleaning the bar to squat and OHP. Obviously I don't recommend you do that. Instead follow a 3 day, hypertrophy focused (close to 3x10 for every lift) full body routine until you hit 1/2/3/4. DON'T WORRY ABOUT NUMBERS. If you can do cardio and pullups (I couldn't at the time) do that as well. Hope I could help breh
I believe this is eat. Bulking is not a good idea, bros.
>wearing your lifting belt all the time
very based
If you can't do that, then you've put your lifting belt on too tight
Well maybe mine is just a shit brand, because it always cuts into my ribs, it's fine for lifting, but couldn't imagine wearing it all the time.
recomp for a year. then decide again
>GRIIIIIIFFFFFIIIIIIITTTTTTH!!
Kek!
>Mercenary occupation is switched with idols since that's the closest to it
They are originally a band of 12 with Taylor as the main singer, but after Taylor makes Dua, the lone indie singer with a powerful, deep voice join, their Idol group experiences an even greater success where the group now seems to have two lead singers. They form a tight bond that is questioned when Dua and their producer overhear Taylor saying that she only views her colleges as background singers there to assist her in fulfilling her dream.
After Dua starts a solo career Taylor slips up and gets into a scandal and gets a drug problem after which she completely crashes.and blames Dua for being the only person she ever met who made her lose sight of her dream.
When Dua and the producer as well as the rest of the band help her rehabilitate she knows that her career is already over as her public image is tainted, and in a move of desperation she claims that the producer raped her and that Dua conspired against her, winning the trial after signing a contract with universal music group.
The idol group crumbles under the drama and Tylor starts her solo career while Dua is now the one with the tainted public image and has to slowly build up her fanbase again while still dealing with the lawsuit against her and the producer that got unrightfully convicted. Meanwhile Taylor becomes the greatest singer in the world landing hit after hit and becoming the first billionaire female singer.
I think there's two types of skinnyfat bodies: fat skinnyfat and skinny skinnyfat. I was the former, btw. So not talking out of my ass. I've also seen the second type.
If you are overweight BMI: you are fat. Cut.
If you are underweight or slightly normal, eg about 20-21: bulk until you're at least 24-25.
You should still lift AND do cardio either way. Be patient. Don't expect it to be fixed fast
>You should still lift AND do cardio either way.
Wrong, cardio kills your gains. Your body will use it's resources to recover from cardio rather than to build muscle. If by cardio you just mean getting your required steps in sure, but adding extra cardio to your workout is detrimental.
Cardio is very important if you want to be athletic and have good heart health. There's no way around it. Basically cardio is more important than weightlifting for overall health, though it's best to do both
Don't listen to this fricking moron. I fell for this bullshit too for some time and it only made me less attractive.
Cardio is going to be much important than muscles in every way.
Skinnyfat frick here.
I decided to bulk, because from what I know bulking and cutting are ideal for muscle growth (1 year bulk/cut > 1 year maingain) and if my long term goal is to put on as much muscle as possible, why should my current physique matter? I'm fine with getting fat for a couple months if it means I'll come out more shredded afterwards. We'll see how it plays out.
>I'm fine with getting fat for a couple months if it means I'll come out more shredded afterwards.
The fat fricks at the age of 40 didn't think the fat they gained at 20 would last them for two decades. It is exponentially harder to lose fat then to not gain it to begin with. You didn't have the discipline to work out up until now; what makes you think you'll have the discipline to lose weight in the future? Cut and recomp for three months while working out. If you can maintain that schedule for that much time, it means you have what it takes to actually do a bulk and cut.
So, I should artifically curb my gains because I may perhaps in the future not be able to train anymore? That's moronic. If I stop training for some reason, I'll take the L and go on a cut, but while I am training why the frick wouldn't I capitalize on every bit of gains I can get?
I don't even want to sound so offensive, maybe you're right, I'm still figuring things out, but I don't want to be one of those DYELs that realized they could've gotten so much bigger if they didn't fell for the maingain meme and just bulked and cutted like everyone else does.
fricking moron you arent artificially curbing anything you skinnyfat gay. Im 167lbs and bench 315. You dont need to be fat to build muscle. You only need to have above single digit bf and eat around 150g of protein
Have you ever actually done a cut? Again, it's easy to say on paper "then I'll just cut X calories for 6 weeks and it'll be easy" but the fact that two thirds of adults are obese should be a big indicator that there's more to it than that. Any and all weight loss is hard, REALLY HARD. Intentionally gaining weight when you have no first hand experience just how hard it is to lose it, is a recipe for disaster.
>skinnyfat
>acting like he knows fricking anything about what he’s talking about
Enjoy staying fat
You are undisciplined. Why are you fretting over a long term diet when you can't be fricked to lift weights?
Eat at maintenance and do a strength routine. That’s the best recomp. The scale’s lecture is gonna be misleading, don’t take it seriously.
>carbs are le bad
>fat is le bad
What am I supposed to eat
you literally only have one other option you dingus
Cut or bulk? Currently at 16% body fat and 165 lbs
Andrew tate gyno chest
Its over
If living in the northern hemisphere and wanna get ready for summer you can wait for cutting, unless is a pain for you.
If you’re skinny fat you have a lot more than 8-9 pounds to lose. Either way cut first while lifting weights.
Just jerk off.
Cutting is going to give you some motivation to be consistent. If you are certain that you already have the discipline for training, go for recomp.
Recomp, always. Bulking and cutting is a meme for bodybuilders who are terrified of cardio. If you’re skinny, as you lift you will be hungrier, so eat. You don’t have to have a fricking buffet every day.
H-he's cute
can you see your abs? then bulk. otherwise? cut. easy.
Are you a complete noob? I'd cut because as a beginner you have the opportunity to gain muscle even while losing weight. Just make sure you actually lift obviously.
However if your strength stalls then start eating at maintenance. If you strength stalls again, only then should you bulk.
and btw when bulking you should gain a MAXIMUM of 2 lbs a month. any more than that will be excessive fat. I learned that the hard way.