What is there to be redpilled about ? Smoking is bad, it's been known and shown for 50+ years. Even disregarding the cancer, just common sense would suggest that inhaling smoke fricks with your lungs and if you train you know how important good breathing is.
There's none of that shit in THC vapes. It's just the oil from the plant with whatever leftover butane or other solvent they used to get it that didn't burn off during that part of the process. No plastic or antifreeze. You only have to worry about trusting your source no to add filler.
Vaping is not smoking moron, cigs are bad because your inhaling burning tar.
Vaping isn't bad. It's just medical grade propylene glycol + vegetable glycerin (Same shit inside inhalers) and Nicotine (mild stimulant similar to caffeine).
Vaping is not smoking moron, cigs are bad because your inhaling burning tar.
Vaping isn't bad. It's just medical grade propylene glycol + vegetable glycerin (Same shit inside inhalers) and Nicotine (mild stimulant similar to caffeine).
Disposables are unregulated mostly and the flavorings used vary on toxicity, "food flavorings" vary and once heated become completely different compounds, all which are unstudied.
If you must vape, buy a rig and buy basic ingredient flavorless liquids from verified companies (not Chinese)
Nice take, my grandmother died of lungcancer, a smoker of 40 years, my grandfather never touched that shit and survived a heart attack and stroke making it to 82
Japan probably has a different environment also, modern life in the west is highly toxic. It's in the food, the water and even the air now
japan doesn't even have that high of a suicide rate, it's below countries like belgium, america and finland
south korea has almost double the rate of japan
it's also skewed by the fact that thousands of 80 year old nips there lie about being the worlds oldest, claiming to be 120+. it's a popular scam there because they're a inherently a dishonest people. the real life expectancy is probably way lower than the global average
Nice take, my grandmother died of lungcancer, a smoker of 40 years, my grandfather never touched that shit and survived a heart attack and stroke making it to 82
Japan probably has a different environment also, modern life in the west is highly toxic. It's in the food, the water and even the air now
my grandfather (japanese) lived to 91 and smoked his entire life
this is very common in japan
you have to keep in mind that the older generations who are the ones currently in their 90s are the generations that smoked their entire lives, its only recent generations that dont smoke
life expectancy is all diet
it's also skewed by the fact that thousands of 80 year old nips there lie about being the worlds oldest, claiming to be 120+. it's a popular scam there because they're a inherently a dishonest people. the real life expectancy is probably way lower than the global average
There is basically no long term studies of vaping, nobody has lived their full adult life vaping, but it definitely is better than smoking. If you are starting it just to start it shouldn’t mess up your lungs (from what we know so far) but if you take high doses of nicotine you will develop a dependence.
Memes aside my cardio was just as bad vaping regularly as smoking. I probably ended up vaping more because I would do it inside all the time. Jogging became much easier when I stopped. That's probably a no-brainer, but they aren't "good" and this, no long term studies.
The real answer is smoking actual tobacco in a nice cigar or pipe from time to time, assuming you can get somewhat natural tobacco. Cigs are coca-cola – factory made and chemical filled bull shit.
i tried smoking a cigar once, and cigars should be all natural right? anyays and i ended up puking black shit out. Maybe ill try a pipe next time though.
...you didn't inhale, did you? Don't answer that. You don't inhale. And don't draw on it hard or more than once every like 45 seconds tops. The more you pull or harder you pull, the hotter the cherry gets and worse the taste is. It sounds dorky, but a little technique makes it more enjoyable.
You don't need long term studies if you know all 3 ingredients in vape (PG, VG, and nicotine). All these are safe, people who cope about long term studies are the same morons who say diet soda gives you cancer, it's just low IQ proles.
Side note. Why are all the flavorings sweet like birthday cake or mint? Why can't we have flavors that men ACTUALLY crave like hot sauce or diesel fumes or smoked meat using apple wood?
Are you guys all incel shut ins? The only people I know that ever vape are usually people that frick. Either hot bawds or chad/brads that do manual labor jobs and party.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Are you guys all incel shut ins?
Where do you think you are?
>smoking has confirmed serious long and short term health risk >vaping has no short term health risks, and uncertain but likely no long term health risks
Are you fricking moronic? Unless an unknown side effect of vaping is that if you do it for 30 years your fricking dick explodes there's literally no way it's even close to as bad for you as smoking ifyou habitually use either,
I like them, and every skinny chick I know smokes them, and my pole. Helps with cutting, I like the buzz, healthier and less smelly than cigs. If some autist on IST calls me a gay for smoking them, then oh well.
No offense anon but the only reason every 'skinny chick' that you know smokes them is because your social group likely consists of middle class at best white trash
>disposables
terrible for you, they aren't verified and most are imported ILLEGALLY and sold in shops (especially in UK where our legal limit is like 250 puffs for a disposable but they all sell 1500 puffs in the shop meaning its not regulated or checked)
>refillable like a caliburn G
completely safe for you and better than smoking cigarettes with the right vape juices (I use DOUBLE DRIP NIC SALT but the best for flavours are Seriously Salty flavours but they kill your coil in 1-2days so it's not worth it)
>(especially in UK where our legal limit is like 250 puffs for a disposable
Try 600 puffs >(I use DOUBLE DRIP NIC SALT
absolute garbage tier
try S-Elf juice from VPZ.
Got addicted to these in college but ended up quitting with the rationale that I’d kill myself if I found myself still doing this if I got either married or got 30.
They’re a drain on your wallet, psyche, and health. Whatever good feeling you get from it leaves after a bit anyways and you’re literally just left using it because of the chemical dependence. Just quit, you can’t be above the age of 22 and still doing it without looking like a gay
Becoming a slave to big tobacco/nicotine is as bad as becoming a slave to the israelites.
Unironic money and health pit, if you’re gonna smoke, smoke a gar every once and a while.
in my experience Zyn is like a soft pillow and ON! is like a sock made of sandpaper absolutely destroying my gums. they're way cheaper though so it's hard to choose
>vaped for ten years straight >see andrew tate rant about vapes >it actually resonates and makes me put it down
I just couldn't reject his point, how the frick do they make it taste like "blueberry ice" for pennies? What shit is actually in here? >oh it's vg pg nic and flavors
But what are the fricking flavors? You have an apple flavor there's obviously not apple juice in that motherfricker. There is no way this shit is not disastrous to your health to be inhaling all day long.
The zyns are how I quit vaping. I don't really like them personally but it is doing wonders for breaking my >oh I just ate VAPE >just woke up VAPE >got in the car VAPE >came back from work VAPE
cravings.
I'd like to trade them for gum but it isn't available in my area. I'd like to quit it altogether
Why didn't I listen when people warned me that smoking as a teen would permafrick my brain with nicotine? It honestly is the most moronic decision I ever made
how do you 'periodically' use nicotine? I used to do it consistently (vape, snus, zyn) for ~ 2 years but stopped because of some unrelated health concerns. Kind of wanna start back just for nootropic effects (mainly nic gum but at most zyn) but afraid I'd just be a regular user again.
If youre more into philosophical approach to psychology pick this up. Lang is a Freudian and in modern psychology that makes him a no-no. Even the guy writting the introduction is a complete homosexual about him kek.
Its written in simple terminology and if you think youre a schizo this can help you out
Checking in, nice reading material there, Anon--meant sincerely.
I pop 1-2 wintergreen Generals a day when working and try to avoid it on the weekends. Effects seem to be extremely minimal, but, to answer OP's question--nicotine is a vasoconstrictor. Building muscle involves the creation of new...muscle...which is going to be fueled by the expansion of the cardiovascular system. Additionally, nicotine is known (pretty sure) to slow the healing process, though that may only have been studied vis a vis smoking cigs. Bottom line, nicotine is not "good" for building muscle but it's probably not a big deal in small doses. If you're still growing as part of puberty, though, don't touch the stuff, and don't invite a substance into your life if you're currently not using.
t. using nic for 5 years, occasionally get accused of using steroids, 340 decline bench
>General chad snuser
Used to snus for several years, always General. The cravings never end for a good old prilla under the läpp with every coffee, beer or after dinner chilling in the couch after a heavy ass gym session.
they probably lower testosterone
which makes sense bc you have a nonpolar solvent in constant contact with plastic and dissolving some of the plasticizer/plastic, which are highly estrogenic
the heating element only exacerbates this process
there is also the problem of heavy metal contamination and the chink vapes certainly have the potential to have dangerous levels of heavy metals and who knows what other toxins
juul has good quality control so should be a little better, but still its made in china
youd be better off smoking cigs, preferably one of the additive free brands (nat's, american spirit, winston)
>Likely to be better than cigarettes
I doubt it
even if it doesnt cause lung cancer (which it likely does), Id rather get ling cancer than get sissified by inhaling plastic
Why are there no good ways of consuming nicotine?
I know of patches and gums but they are not common and mostly used for withdrawal..
cigarettes are of course bad as well as these gaysticks
snus, etc. is bad for your mouth (probably the best choice however)
I quit a week ago after extremely heavy usage for the past year and my sleep feels way better
I don't know how dangerous they are, and that's the problem. At some point you have to ask yourself if you're willing to risk lung cancer in your 50s just to suck on a lemon flavored vape
Both are going to frick up your lungs. One is inhaling various chemicals. The other is inhaling plastic fumes. Neither are great for you. Studies show cigarettes increase testosterone, while vaping decreases it. Vaping lowering test prob has to do with the inhaling plastic fumes
>inhaling plastic fumes
is this a meme or is this backed up somewhere? Isopropyl alcohol and "flavour" isn't good for you, but where do the plastics come in?
You know I've read that vaping lowers test and can cause ED, but I've been vaping for like 5 years now and haven't seen anything, I also smoke a few ciggys here and there but those also can cause ED, who knows
i tried smoking a cigar once, and cigars should be all natural right? anyays and i ended up puking black shit out. Maybe ill try a pipe next time though.
Pipe is just... a pipe, it depends what you stuff it with.
Faulty battery pack. They contain quite a bit of energy. When released all at once it damages things. Think about it like a tank of gasoline used for moving a vehicle mile for mile or being set aflame all at once.
Pipe (tobacco) smoking is some weird middle thing between cigars where you simply keep the smoke in your mouth cavity and cigarettes where you fully inhale in your lungs... I never smoked pipe but I've been told it's most similar to "drinking" the smoke and the basically regurgitating it.
seems stupid not to inhale pipe smoke or cigars. wouldn't you just be burning off nicotine for nothing? i would think just like any drug you pay for you want to suck down as much nicotine as possible to get your moneys worth for the high
Eh I mean you don't purely smoke for nicotine, there also is taste... Also you do get quite some of it through your oral mucosa when smoking cigars. Keep in mind it's a LOT more tobacco than a cigarette.
>there also is taste
i don't buy it. do you think cigarette, cigar and pipe smokers would still smoke if, starting tomorrow, all tobacco is 0% nicotine? they'd continue just for the taste?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean, Nicotine IS part of the taste. Have you ever tried a beer and then its alcohol free version?
But regarding inhaling vs. in mouth smoking there's also just a huge difference in the volume of smoke you get with one "sip" (dunno the correct english word). Cigars are create way more smoke for a longer time. You'd just feel sick when inhaling cigar tobacco for too long
1 year ago
Anonymous
got to try alcohol free beer recently! compared a sam adams to a 0 alcohol sam adams and a regular heineken to a heineken double zero. could not tell the difference at all. nothing, they tasted identical.
idk but I smoked a pack a day for 8 years, it'll be 5 years next month since I stopped
smoking is really, really bad
it has it upsides like >looks cool from afar, but smells like shit up close anyways >allows you to better control your time as you can divide your workload into ciggie breaks >is a nice social firestarter >you get to have special minutes every day
but after I stopped smoking my life just got better, and its fricking expensive too
BUT, if you are gonna smoke something, smoke hand rolled tobacco and nothing else
just quit after 4 years of vaping. Been on the zyns for a week now. Starting at 6mg, gonna move down to 3mg soon.
I do feel better, I am eating more. Less out of breath when I'm fricking. You should obviously stop vaping, but its not as bad for you as smoking. Fricking nicotine man......
I quit cold turkey from using 50mg salts all day long. Literally made me want to kill myself from lack of dopamine, took three months to feel myself again. It's simply legal crack. I quit because it was giving me anxiety and virtigo, cutting down wasn't really a choice for me I couldnt just have a puff now and then.
Starting to see cases of popcorn lung from prolific vapers due to Diacetyl often being used in flavouring which causes inflammation and minor scarring. Plus you look like a complete homosexual. If you want nicotine for it's neuroprotective properties slap a patch on and don't give a frick about your body craving cigarettes
I used to vape heavily then stopped. Anyone who thinks vaping is remotely healthy is fricking moronic youre superheating a wienertail of chinese piss oils off chinese piss fibers wrapped around chinese piss iron in a chinese plastic tube and inhaling it to your lungs.
Any dumbass Black folk ITT who think vape juice is VG+PG and nicotine is the dumbest tar black gorilla frick known to mankind. The flavorings in those are the most chinkiest fricking smoothies of cancer humans can synthesize.
Here's your red pill
They're fricking planet destroying plastics that have no real use in the world other than israeliteing gullible people out of some gay vapour flavour which serves zero purpose.
You're being cucked into tasting flavours through a gay robot dick.
Waste of money. Waste of time. Waste of industry. Waste of resources
Even assuming you're inhaling pure nicotine and water vapor, which you aren't (only God knows what carcinogens are in those things), you are still ingesting nicotine. Nicotine has been shown to raise cortisol levels, AKA the stress hormone. Guess what chronic elevated cortisol levels do to the body? Nothing good. >Look more wrinkly, hair falls out, lowered test, lowered sperm count, atherosclerosis, all kinds of nasty shit.
Just google "elevated cortisol". Is it worth it?
I'm not going to quote any science shit but dude jsut think about it a little. should anything except for oxygen be going into your lungs? NO. thats moronic.
>is inhaling stuff other than air bad?
moron question aside, who cares if its bad for you physically or not, why use it in the first place, stop being weak.
I suck on nicotine lozenges at work for stress relief, they usually last me like 2 hours each. I don’t see a problem with it. I’d smoke if my wife didn’t hate it and if you could be taken seriously as a healthcare provider if you smelled like smoke.
Vapes/cigs/cigars/dip/snus/sneeds it’s all israelite dogshit trickery
>heheh it’s just a lil nicotine, try it it feels so good you can just quit whenever heheh >o you don’t get any high anymore and your stuck throwing your money away due to a chemical addiction, how could this happen… >poor thing, you developed cancer now and have to buy my patented dr. israeliteberg chemo cancer killer radiation therapy, tsk tsk tsk
Think about it.
Have you ever meet someone vaping who would you consider ''cool'' or ''well adjusted'' or ''has his shit together''?
That should be enough for the answer.
>Have you ever meet someone vaping who would you consider ''cool'' or ''well adjusted'' or ''has his shit together''?
Definitive yes to all 3. Go outside.
I quit vaping after 8 years of it. Vo2 max went from 51 to 54, rhr dropped from 45 to 41. Quality of sleep went up and erections are rock hard. I miss vaping and the mental acuity it gives you but anyone saying the effects are minimal is lying to themselves
Vapes are a bit of a scourge. Most are made of cheap plastic so they can't even be recycled; giving your lungs exposure to microplastic infused vapor now while poisoning the environment for the future
"Smokeless tobacco" devices are a good bit better. Basically the element heats up some pressed tobacco tube to the point of making it smokable without actually burning it. You get more of the oils and nicotine with less of the burning leaf and the carcinogens that high heat releases
whether or not they are bad for you is besides the point
more importantly, why willingly choose to be ADDICTED aka a SLAVE to something that does not bring any happiness or fulfillment to one's life or bring anyone closer to their goals. you're literally addicted for no reason lmao. fricking moronic.
The entire west is built off caffeine and nicotine, they're two powerful simulants, if you're focusing on a task they're good nootropics, although it comes with the danger of addiction. Vaping is far less addictive than the additive sticks
We have decades of research and know smoking is awful for you. People used to think smoking was good for you. We do not have decades of research to know whether vaping is good or bad for you. Do YOU want to be a test bunny, and potentially a part of the statistic some decades down the line? I don't.
Awful waste of resources and a public nuisance. The lithium batteries in the discarded ones on the street usually have some life left in them. You can remove them and a wire a few together to make yourself a power bank or you can carry one of those spring loaded punch awls so you can puncture the cells and toss them in dumpsters to raise awareness of how bad disposable vapes are for the environment.
I’m an epidemiologist in a cancer hospital. My work focuses on nicotine and tobacco (and to a lesser degree cannabis and oral nicotine pouches). The answer to your question is, “it depends.”
In terms of biomarkers of harm, e-cigarettes aren’t as bad as cigarettes but they’re unequivocally not good for respiratory health. Increase volatile organic compounds, increased inflammatory cytokines (so literally stealing your gains on a molecular level), especially IL-6 and IL-8. Reductions in fractional exhaled NO in your breath (more FeNO is better).
In terms of longevity, it’s too early to know. Preliminary work suggests there’s a reduction in longevity that isn’t nearly as severe as the one associated with cigarettes, but those estimates keep rising.
Also the type of product matters. Are you using a mod, a cartridge, a refillable pod, a disposable? Menthol flavors? Flavors with “spicy” sensations from additives line cinnemaldehyde? Are you adding tobacco? Are you getting a shitty Chinese knockoff product that contains tons of heavy metals? How much do you use it?
it's bad, not only for short and long term health but also as a identifier of being a person who makes bad choices
https://www.drugwatch.com/e-cigarettes/side-effects/
>homosexual General
What is there to be redpilled about ? Smoking is bad, it's been known and shown for 50+ years. Even disregarding the cancer, just common sense would suggest that inhaling smoke fricks with your lungs and if you train you know how important good breathing is.
>common sense would suggest that inhaling smoke fricks with your lungs
Yes, but what about inhaling 95% thc with 5% food grade antifreeze?
No no no, you inhale the THC and then ***drink*** the antifreeze
There's none of that shit in THC vapes. It's just the oil from the plant with whatever leftover butane or other solvent they used to get it that didn't burn off during that part of the process. No plastic or antifreeze. You only have to worry about trusting your source no to add filler.
>Smoking
moron detected
whatever you say
Vaping is not smoking moron, cigs are bad because your inhaling burning tar.
Vaping isn't bad. It's just medical grade propylene glycol + vegetable glycerin (Same shit inside inhalers) and Nicotine (mild stimulant similar to caffeine).
Disposables are unregulated mostly and the flavorings used vary on toxicity, "food flavorings" vary and once heated become completely different compounds, all which are unstudied.
If you must vape, buy a rig and buy basic ingredient flavorless liquids from verified companies (not Chinese)
isn't bad. It's just medical grade propylene glycol + vegetable glycerin
And nothing else? Lmao you can’t possibly be that stupid.
Japs smoke and live to their 90s.
Tobacco is not harmful as long as you do not stop.
Stopping is what kills you, also nicotine.
Nice take, my grandmother died of lungcancer, a smoker of 40 years, my grandfather never touched that shit and survived a heart attack and stroke making it to 82
Japan probably has a different environment also, modern life in the west is highly toxic. It's in the food, the water and even the air now
japs' life expectancy is 84, stop lying
I wonder if the suicide rate skewers that stat
japan doesn't even have that high of a suicide rate, it's below countries like belgium, america and finland
south korea has almost double the rate of japan
it's also skewed by the fact that thousands of 80 year old nips there lie about being the worlds oldest, claiming to be 120+. it's a popular scam there because they're a inherently a dishonest people. the real life expectancy is probably way lower than the global average
Smoking rate in japan is 16%. You're moronic and gay.
my grandfather (japanese) lived to 91 and smoked his entire life
this is very common in japan
you have to keep in mind that the older generations who are the ones currently in their 90s are the generations that smoked their entire lives, its only recent generations that dont smoke
life expectancy is all diet
>t. korean
>2023
>Doesn't smoke cigarettes
Are you bullied, mentally handicapped or both?
>b-but it kills you
And? Was life a contest about who lives the longest?
>it's addicting!!!
It's not, as long as you're not under-aged and you can smoke in moderation
>it's....IT'S EXPENSIVE!!!
Who forces you to buy a pack every day, fricking peat-gavel
more importantly, what good are they? just don't do it. are you really gunna spend money to look like a gay and frick up your lungs?
are those usb drives?
I'd rather smoke a pack of turquoise american spirits than be seen holding one of these things.
Nicotine provides many cognitive benefits
There is basically no long term studies of vaping, nobody has lived their full adult life vaping, but it definitely is better than smoking. If you are starting it just to start it shouldn’t mess up your lungs (from what we know so far) but if you take high doses of nicotine you will develop a dependence.
Memes aside my cardio was just as bad vaping regularly as smoking. I probably ended up vaping more because I would do it inside all the time. Jogging became much easier when I stopped. That's probably a no-brainer, but they aren't "good" and this, no long term studies.
The real answer is smoking actual tobacco in a nice cigar or pipe from time to time, assuming you can get somewhat natural tobacco. Cigs are coca-cola – factory made and chemical filled bull shit.
i tried smoking a cigar once, and cigars should be all natural right? anyays and i ended up puking black shit out. Maybe ill try a pipe next time though.
just to make sure you know your not supposed to inhale cigar smoke right?
...you didn't inhale, did you? Don't answer that. You don't inhale. And don't draw on it hard or more than once every like 45 seconds tops. The more you pull or harder you pull, the hotter the cherry gets and worse the taste is. It sounds dorky, but a little technique makes it more enjoyable.
You don't need long term studies if you know all 3 ingredients in vape (PG, VG, and nicotine). All these are safe, people who cope about long term studies are the same morons who say diet soda gives you cancer, it's just low IQ proles.
Yeah they're honestly not that bad if you know what you're actually smoking. Idk why spergs freak out about them so much, like who cares
What about the flavorings?
Side note. Why are all the flavorings sweet like birthday cake or mint? Why can't we have flavors that men ACTUALLY crave like hot sauce or diesel fumes or smoked meat using apple wood?
or penis
Because they’re target market base are the weakest members of society IE: queers, women, and children, anon.
inb4 their* frick you israelites
it's not 2010 nymor nbody gaves a shit bout typo.theyretheirthere all the same shit, dont be a homosexual
Are you guys all incel shut ins? The only people I know that ever vape are usually people that frick. Either hot bawds or chad/brads that do manual labor jobs and party.
>Are you guys all incel shut ins?
Where do you think you are?
You could smoke literal pig shit for all anyone cares, homosexual. But its pretty funny how you delude yourself with "its not that bad"
you have the same opinion as all the low IQ proles out there homosexual
>theres no studies yet
>but it's DEFINITELY BETTER for you
>smoking has confirmed serious long and short term health risk
>vaping has no short term health risks, and uncertain but likely no long term health risks
Are you fricking moronic? Unless an unknown side effect of vaping is that if you do it for 30 years your fricking dick explodes there's literally no way it's even close to as bad for you as smoking ifyou habitually use either,
I like them, and every skinny chick I know smokes them, and my pole. Helps with cutting, I like the buzz, healthier and less smelly than cigs. If some autist on IST calls me a gay for smoking them, then oh well.
No offense anon but the only reason every 'skinny chick' that you know smokes them is because your social group likely consists of middle class at best white trash
wtf are you talking about anon rich girls vape all the time. probably moreso than proles
I've never met a rich girl that smokes anything besides thc vapes
Source: country club member at a not shit club
Inhaling things other than oxygen is terrible for you. Stay away from it all.
>t. Pack a day
>disposables
terrible for you, they aren't verified and most are imported ILLEGALLY and sold in shops (especially in UK where our legal limit is like 250 puffs for a disposable but they all sell 1500 puffs in the shop meaning its not regulated or checked)
>refillable like a caliburn G
completely safe for you and better than smoking cigarettes with the right vape juices (I use DOUBLE DRIP NIC SALT but the best for flavours are Seriously Salty flavours but they kill your coil in 1-2days so it's not worth it)
>(especially in UK where our legal limit is like 250 puffs for a disposable
Try 600 puffs
>(I use DOUBLE DRIP NIC SALT
absolute garbage tier
try S-Elf juice from VPZ.
Got addicted to these in college but ended up quitting with the rationale that I’d kill myself if I found myself still doing this if I got either married or got 30.
They’re a drain on your wallet, psyche, and health. Whatever good feeling you get from it leaves after a bit anyways and you’re literally just left using it because of the chemical dependence. Just quit, you can’t be above the age of 22 and still doing it without looking like a gay
>REDPILL ME GUYS
><> IS SMOKING BAD?
It's way too easy to trigger libtards
it's funny you mention that because I'm not. reverse-uno -card
Becoming a slave to big tobacco/nicotine is as bad as becoming a slave to the israelites.
Unironic money and health pit, if you’re gonna smoke, smoke a gar every once and a while.
Any snus chads in here?
For me, it's zyn
I love zyn but they're way too strong. they shoot my blood pressure up every time I pop one in.
Git gud. I've popped 2 6mg at a time before.
Then again I've been smoking churchill cigars since I was like 16
I think its more a matter of me abusing nicotine and chain smoking cigarettes for so long that I have bad blood pressure and heart issues
Ah fair enough. I hope you quit and get healthy again, anon.
More of a 8mg wintergreen ON! type of guy, Velo is pretty good too.
What a fricking chad. Y'all ever feel like youre getting receding gums from the pouches?
Nah my gums are just receding because my dental hygeine is awful and I haven't been to a dentist in 3 years. Getting insurance soon though
in my experience Zyn is like a soft pillow and ON! is like a sock made of sandpaper absolutely destroying my gums. they're way cheaper though so it's hard to choose
>vaped for ten years straight
>see andrew tate rant about vapes
>it actually resonates and makes me put it down
I just couldn't reject his point, how the frick do they make it taste like "blueberry ice" for pennies? What shit is actually in here?
>oh it's vg pg nic and flavors
But what are the fricking flavors? You have an apple flavor there's obviously not apple juice in that motherfricker. There is no way this shit is not disastrous to your health to be inhaling all day long.
The zyns are how I quit vaping. I don't really like them personally but it is doing wonders for breaking my
>oh I just ate VAPE
>just woke up VAPE
>got in the car VAPE
>came back from work VAPE
cravings.
I'd like to trade them for gum but it isn't available in my area. I'd like to quit it altogether
Why didn't I listen when people warned me that smoking as a teen would permafrick my brain with nicotine? It honestly is the most moronic decision I ever made
got one under my lip right now in the gym
My homie
I barely use nicotine so the 3mg are good enough for me
it's so much cheaper than buying gay ass disposable vapes
how do you 'periodically' use nicotine? I used to do it consistently (vape, snus, zyn) for ~ 2 years but stopped because of some unrelated health concerns. Kind of wanna start back just for nootropic effects (mainly nic gum but at most zyn) but afraid I'd just be a regular user again.
>queer theory book
Just looked it up. Wtf are you talking about
homosexual
I used to buy this from Facebook vendors and Umeå harbor. Quit some years ago.
/litfit/ here. How is that book?
If youre more into philosophical approach to psychology pick this up. Lang is a Freudian and in modern psychology that makes him a no-no. Even the guy writting the introduction is a complete homosexual about him kek.
Its written in simple terminology and if you think youre a schizo this can help you out
thanks, I'll definitely pick it up for my next read
Checking in, nice reading material there, Anon--meant sincerely.
I pop 1-2 wintergreen Generals a day when working and try to avoid it on the weekends. Effects seem to be extremely minimal, but, to answer OP's question--nicotine is a vasoconstrictor. Building muscle involves the creation of new...muscle...which is going to be fueled by the expansion of the cardiovascular system. Additionally, nicotine is known (pretty sure) to slow the healing process, though that may only have been studied vis a vis smoking cigs. Bottom line, nicotine is not "good" for building muscle but it's probably not a big deal in small doses. If you're still growing as part of puberty, though, don't touch the stuff, and don't invite a substance into your life if you're currently not using.
t. using nic for 5 years, occasionally get accused of using steroids, 340 decline bench
My man! How's your day Brother
>General chad snuser
Used to snus for several years, always General. The cravings never end for a good old prilla under the läpp with every coffee, beer or after dinner chilling in the couch after a heavy ass gym session.
Nice thinkpad. Need a few replacement keys?
snus is bad, https://www.fhi.no/en/publ/2019/health-risks-from-snus-use2/
>makes you look gay af
>just as bad as smoking if not worse for your health
>complete drain on your wallet
I'm not seeing much upside here.
they probably lower testosterone
which makes sense bc you have a nonpolar solvent in constant contact with plastic and dissolving some of the plasticizer/plastic, which are highly estrogenic
the heating element only exacerbates this process
there is also the problem of heavy metal contamination and the chink vapes certainly have the potential to have dangerous levels of heavy metals and who knows what other toxins
juul has good quality control so should be a little better, but still its made in china
youd be better off smoking cigs, preferably one of the additive free brands (nat's, american spirit, winston)
You've never been within visual range of a chemistry textbook.
what the frick are you talking about
They out you as bisexual
juul gave me heart disease. wish I never smoked these fricking things.
If you're gonna smoke, you can atleast do it in a way where you don't look like a fricking homosexual
My cousin got one of these instead of smoking cigs. He vaped 3-5x the amount of nicotine he got from cigs tho.
That's not really feasible unless you're making your own juice and coils to burn it hot as frick. That's why they only work for social smokers.
>How bad are they REALLY?
Nobody knows. We'll find out in a couple of decades. Likely to be better than cigarettes, but that's a really low bar.
>Likely to be better than cigarettes
I doubt it
even if it doesnt cause lung cancer (which it likely does), Id rather get ling cancer than get sissified by inhaling plastic
Why are there no good ways of consuming nicotine?
I know of patches and gums but they are not common and mostly used for withdrawal..
cigarettes are of course bad as well as these gaysticks
snus, etc. is bad for your mouth (probably the best choice however)
Lozenges are pretty comfy
I quit a week ago after extremely heavy usage for the past year and my sleep feels way better
I don't know how dangerous they are, and that's the problem. At some point you have to ask yourself if you're willing to risk lung cancer in your 50s just to suck on a lemon flavored vape
Both are going to frick up your lungs. One is inhaling various chemicals. The other is inhaling plastic fumes. Neither are great for you. Studies show cigarettes increase testosterone, while vaping decreases it. Vaping lowering test prob has to do with the inhaling plastic fumes
>inhaling plastic fumes
is this a meme or is this backed up somewhere? Isopropyl alcohol and "flavour" isn't good for you, but where do the plastics come in?
not him but i imagine you're always inhaling a small amount of cotton from the coil when you're vaping
probably terrible long term
You know I've read that vaping lowers test and can cause ED, but I've been vaping for like 5 years now and haven't seen anything, I also smoke a few ciggys here and there but those also can cause ED, who knows
I'm tempted to gorepost people whose vapes blew up in their face with a caption of "OH N-" "ACK" or something similar
do it
i'm throwing my shit out tonight
>Redpill me on these things. How bad are they REAL-ACK
What's that ? what happened ?
Pipe is just... a pipe, it depends what you stuff it with.
Faulty battery pack. They contain quite a bit of energy. When released all at once it damages things. Think about it like a tank of gasoline used for moving a vehicle mile for mile or being set aflame all at once.
Pipe (tobacco) smoking is some weird middle thing between cigars where you simply keep the smoke in your mouth cavity and cigarettes where you fully inhale in your lungs... I never smoked pipe but I've been told it's most similar to "drinking" the smoke and the basically regurgitating it.
seems stupid not to inhale pipe smoke or cigars. wouldn't you just be burning off nicotine for nothing? i would think just like any drug you pay for you want to suck down as much nicotine as possible to get your moneys worth for the high
Eh I mean you don't purely smoke for nicotine, there also is taste... Also you do get quite some of it through your oral mucosa when smoking cigars. Keep in mind it's a LOT more tobacco than a cigarette.
>there also is taste
i don't buy it. do you think cigarette, cigar and pipe smokers would still smoke if, starting tomorrow, all tobacco is 0% nicotine? they'd continue just for the taste?
I mean, Nicotine IS part of the taste. Have you ever tried a beer and then its alcohol free version?
But regarding inhaling vs. in mouth smoking there's also just a huge difference in the volume of smoke you get with one "sip" (dunno the correct english word). Cigars are create way more smoke for a longer time. You'd just feel sick when inhaling cigar tobacco for too long
got to try alcohol free beer recently! compared a sam adams to a 0 alcohol sam adams and a regular heineken to a heineken double zero. could not tell the difference at all. nothing, they tasted identical.
i've always wanted to try but i won't until i see gosling puff on one in a movie
What does your electric dildo collection have to do with IST?
idk but I smoked a pack a day for 8 years, it'll be 5 years next month since I stopped
smoking is really, really bad
it has it upsides like
>looks cool from afar, but smells like shit up close anyways
>allows you to better control your time as you can divide your workload into ciggie breaks
>is a nice social firestarter
>you get to have special minutes every day
but after I stopped smoking my life just got better, and its fricking expensive too
BUT, if you are gonna smoke something, smoke hand rolled tobacco and nothing else
cool from afar
You lost the mind battle before you even took to the field
tried to plug one of these into my PC, didn't fit. so pretty bad.
just quit after 4 years of vaping. Been on the zyns for a week now. Starting at 6mg, gonna move down to 3mg soon.
I do feel better, I am eating more. Less out of breath when I'm fricking. You should obviously stop vaping, but its not as bad for you as smoking. Fricking nicotine man......
Bad.
I quit cold turkey from using 50mg salts all day long. Literally made me want to kill myself from lack of dopamine, took three months to feel myself again. It's simply legal crack. I quit because it was giving me anxiety and virtigo, cutting down wasn't really a choice for me I couldnt just have a puff now and then.
Starting to see cases of popcorn lung from prolific vapers due to Diacetyl often being used in flavouring which causes inflammation and minor scarring. Plus you look like a complete homosexual. If you want nicotine for it's neuroprotective properties slap a patch on and don't give a frick about your body craving cigarettes
>Starting to see cases of popcorn lung from prolific vapers due to Diacetyl often being used in flavouring
Another pleb moron with no critical thinking skills.
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/does-vaping-cause-popcorn-lung
why not instead ask how good they are? OP, are you a zoomer?
idk bro I only smoke cigars
RIP
I used to vape heavily then stopped. Anyone who thinks vaping is remotely healthy is fricking moronic youre superheating a wienertail of chinese piss oils off chinese piss fibers wrapped around chinese piss iron in a chinese plastic tube and inhaling it to your lungs.
Any dumbass Black folk ITT who think vape juice is VG+PG and nicotine is the dumbest tar black gorilla frick known to mankind. The flavorings in those are the most chinkiest fricking smoothies of cancer humans can synthesize.
this post does the trick. no more queer air sucking for me
I only use e-liquid manufactured in Scotland, cope.
Manufactured with Chinese materials
stupid ass
Here's your red pill
They're fricking planet destroying plastics that have no real use in the world other than israeliteing gullible people out of some gay vapour flavour which serves zero purpose.
You're being cucked into tasting flavours through a gay robot dick.
Waste of money. Waste of time. Waste of industry. Waste of resources
Literally the frickin' gayest shit.
Even assuming you're inhaling pure nicotine and water vapor, which you aren't (only God knows what carcinogens are in those things), you are still ingesting nicotine. Nicotine has been shown to raise cortisol levels, AKA the stress hormone. Guess what chronic elevated cortisol levels do to the body? Nothing good.
>Look more wrinkly, hair falls out, lowered test, lowered sperm count, atherosclerosis, all kinds of nasty shit.
Just google "elevated cortisol". Is it worth it?
I'm not going to quote any science shit but dude jsut think about it a little. should anything except for oxygen be going into your lungs? NO. thats moronic.
Air is only like 20% oxygen you moronic Black person
>is inhaling stuff other than air bad?
moron question aside, who cares if its bad for you physically or not, why use it in the first place, stop being weak.
I suck on nicotine lozenges at work for stress relief, they usually last me like 2 hours each. I don’t see a problem with it. I’d smoke if my wife didn’t hate it and if you could be taken seriously as a healthcare provider if you smelled like smoke.
Smoke cigs like a man homosexual
I LOVE CARCINOGENS I LOVE CARCINOGENS AMERICA AMERICA AMERICA
Vapes/cigs/cigars/dip/snus/sneeds it’s all israelite dogshit trickery
>heheh it’s just a lil nicotine, try it it feels so good you can just quit whenever heheh
>o you don’t get any high anymore and your stuck throwing your money away due to a chemical addiction, how could this happen…
>poor thing, you developed cancer now and have to buy my patented dr. israeliteberg chemo cancer killer radiation therapy, tsk tsk tsk
Nicotine is not carcinogenic. Smoke is carcinogenic, it's a bad idea to inhale smoke. But nicotine does not cause cancer.
estrogen pens
are these USB sticks?
what am i looking at
Think about it.
Have you ever meet someone vaping who would you consider ''cool'' or ''well adjusted'' or ''has his shit together''?
That should be enough for the answer.
>Have you ever meet someone vaping who would you consider ''cool'' or ''well adjusted'' or ''has his shit together''?
Definitive yes to all 3. Go outside.
I quit vaping after 8 years of it. Vo2 max went from 51 to 54, rhr dropped from 45 to 41. Quality of sleep went up and erections are rock hard. I miss vaping and the mental acuity it gives you but anyone saying the effects are minimal is lying to themselves
My VO2 max is higher than yours and I smoked for 10 years, switched to vapes 9 years ago
Vapes are a bit of a scourge. Most are made of cheap plastic so they can't even be recycled; giving your lungs exposure to microplastic infused vapor now while poisoning the environment for the future
"Smokeless tobacco" devices are a good bit better. Basically the element heats up some pressed tobacco tube to the point of making it smokable without actually burning it. You get more of the oils and nicotine with less of the burning leaf and the carcinogens that high heat releases
swithing to vape from normal cigarettes was the best decision i've ever made
whether or not they are bad for you is besides the point
more importantly, why willingly choose to be ADDICTED aka a SLAVE to something that does not bring any happiness or fulfillment to one's life or bring anyone closer to their goals. you're literally addicted for no reason lmao. fricking moronic.
The entire west is built off caffeine and nicotine, they're two powerful simulants, if you're focusing on a task they're good nootropics, although it comes with the danger of addiction. Vaping is far less addictive than the additive sticks
Yeah and you're addicted to being bitter on the internet, we all gave our vices anon
I have one for when I'm rolling on M so I don't have to leave the dancefloor all the time. Very satisfying if you get a flavour you like.
Molly is a girls drug you homo
>anything I don't like is GAY
you closeted gays are so annoying
They're a million times better than smoking. If you have to do one or the other stick to the vape rather than the cigs.
The only real risk with vapes is the nic addiction but if you can get off both that's better.
We have decades of research and know smoking is awful for you. People used to think smoking was good for you. We do not have decades of research to know whether vaping is good or bad for you. Do YOU want to be a test bunny, and potentially a part of the statistic some decades down the line? I don't.
>t. 3x boosted
Nicotine reks your cardiovascular system
>vuse
never heard of this, it sounds like chinkshit though. personally I would stick with known brands like Samsung or Sandisk.
Wrong board
Awful waste of resources and a public nuisance. The lithium batteries in the discarded ones on the street usually have some life left in them. You can remove them and a wire a few together to make yourself a power bank or you can carry one of those spring loaded punch awls so you can puncture the cells and toss them in dumpsters to raise awareness of how bad disposable vapes are for the environment.
I’m an epidemiologist in a cancer hospital. My work focuses on nicotine and tobacco (and to a lesser degree cannabis and oral nicotine pouches). The answer to your question is, “it depends.”
In terms of biomarkers of harm, e-cigarettes aren’t as bad as cigarettes but they’re unequivocally not good for respiratory health. Increase volatile organic compounds, increased inflammatory cytokines (so literally stealing your gains on a molecular level), especially IL-6 and IL-8. Reductions in fractional exhaled NO in your breath (more FeNO is better).
In terms of longevity, it’s too early to know. Preliminary work suggests there’s a reduction in longevity that isn’t nearly as severe as the one associated with cigarettes, but those estimates keep rising.
Also the type of product matters. Are you using a mod, a cartridge, a refillable pod, a disposable? Menthol flavors? Flavors with “spicy” sensations from additives line cinnemaldehyde? Are you adding tobacco? Are you getting a shitty Chinese knockoff product that contains tons of heavy metals? How much do you use it?
Weed ones are good. Nicotine ones are bad.
it's bad, not only for short and long term health but also as a identifier of being a person who makes bad choices
https://www.drugwatch.com/e-cigarettes/side-effects/