>Roiding for this

>Roiding for this

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    15+ years lifting if that ain't natty why even lift?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The big joke about "X Years lifting" is that most natty growth happens in a small window.

      >first 3 years of training age when you start taking the gym seriously
      >14-22
      Puberty

      Also
      >Gains can go negative without work age 28+ as your test starts dropping.

      Working out can drastically reduce the fall off but for your average office worker it isn't unheard of for everything physical to get more challenging in their late 20's/early 30's.

      TLDR:
      Starting lifting at 25 and lifting til 35 won't put you ahead of someone with 4 years lifting seriously through high school (see top level high school athletes being picked up to play in college).

      Alternatively, you can roid and get the same gains you would have gotten free during puberty if you had a fitness focused dad or mom who taught you to lift.

      Lifting for 15 years on TRT or having genetics/diet/whatever to keep your test up will look way different than your average 30/35 year old who "stayed active".

      Source: I am a 30 year old boomer in the military surrounded by both young and old lifters who are both natty and not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Try it again with a sample that is not composed of literal retards.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Training creates muscle memory (aka micronuclei) which doesn't go away so whether natty or not you this stays with you pretty much your entire life. Roids let's you train over your natural limit, so all those extra nuclei stay with you even if you stop juicing. The issue being that you don't go over your natural potential without juice. You also don't have the crazy metabolism due to your body in 24/7 muscle building mode so body fat% is much higher.

        So roiding does have gains and huge benefits, but considering how many roiders I've watched over the years die of heart failure or have had heart issues I can't suggest cycling on roids for a long time. The heart is a muscle and having an enlarged heart due to steroids is not ideal to me. That's not even considering the work you have to do to maintain a regularly functioning body. Finasteride to avoid hairloss, Clomid to avoid gyno, blood tests to check liver and kidney health is feels like an obsessive amount of work to put into your looks. Also, in my opinion, roids tend to age people. It could be the dryness or maybe the stress of the roids being displayed in the skin, but they never look younger than their age. Always older.

        Factor in the addictive nature of bodybuilding it's just too risky. Most guys,especially younger ones, don't have the self control or maturity to cut out bad habits or addictions. It's why addictive products like smoking used to target younger people. They know this. Steroids are addicting in my opinion, because it targets your own vanity and quite literally changes the way people look at you for the better. Once you cross that line, it's hard to give it up.

        I'm biased towards natty, for the reasons given. But I'm not against people who roid, I get the temptation. It does have some really valid points, and as I age, I think TRT might be a viable treatment. I just think most people jump into it WAAAAY too early.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sarms solve all of this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The new nuclei growth is a myth I don’t believe it’s been proven yet. If I remember it’s called hyperplasia maybe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >lifting seriously through high school
        yes it will, if you lift weights through high school you're probably a manlet, so people will gonna make fun of you regardless.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw i'm 30 and just starting out

        so is it too late for me to get ripped natty?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lifting progression is not linear. The older you get the harder is to keep gains. You get majority of your in your first few years of lifting.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck there's two of them now?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let's have a serious debate about this though. Do you guys think they are natty or not?

    They claim to be natty. I think these physiques could theoretically be natty. The traps look very full though, but it could be a rare case of very good trap genetics, and to be honest, in some pics where they don't have the pump and good lighting, they really don't look that big at all.

    But at the same time, they live a lifestyle where they drink a lot of alcohol, and they practically dine our everyday, and I just wouldn't be surprised at all that these are the type of guys that would use steroids and lie about it. They might not be excessively huge, but this big, and this lean, on their lifestyle..., I just don't know...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Either way they're lying about something

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not a cobra tate follower or anything, but I saw a video he did with some other dude, who was another influencer of some kind, maybe a fitness influencer. I think the other guy was based in Dubai. They worked out in the gym together, and Tate claimed that up until that point, he had never really lifted weights in the gym before. As I recall, his physique looked more or less that same as it does in OP's picture. Tate claimed that the only training that he does (apart from kickboxing, and I'm not sure how much he still does that now that he is "retired") is lots of pushups. I think he was still able to bench press 2.5 plates for reps, and he bragged about this being a result of his elite genetics.
      I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he was a fake natty, given his massive ego and reputation as something of a shady conman. I suppose it is also possible that he was lying about never lifting weights before, though -- this has also crossed my mind, since I've seen numerous pictures since then of him in the gym. Perhaps he only started lifting weights after filming that video, though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh, he also claimed that he eats a lot of fast food, and doesn't follow any kind of strict diet at all. So it seems that he claims all of the following:
        1. He is natty
        2. He parties a lot and does not follow a strict diet
        3. He had done no weight training until maybe the past year or two of his life
        4. His only fitness activities include his kickboxing training (which he presumably does less of now since he is no longer actively fighting), jumping rope, probably running, and lots of calisthenics (pushups and I think burpees were mentioned)
        5. All of this is possible because of his indomitable will and elite genetics
        I suspect that not all of these things are true, especially given his age. But he seems to me like a guy who tells lies nearly as much as he breathes.

      • 1 month ago
        AFRICAN ANON

        My little brother mogs me to the point where people suspected him of taking something. But nope he's full natty.
        Martial arts since highschool, Breakdancing, Pullups, pushups and training everyday.
        He's 26 looks better than most people claiming to be natty.
        Never been to a gym.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How would you know exactly hes natty? David Laid's mommy confirmed his son is not roiding so it must be true right? Meanwhile he's one of the biggest roiding influencers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        in that video, Tate also said that he can "never sit down and enjoy the moment" or something along those lines, he has to be constantly being productive type thing. Which, funnily enough is something I heard from the biggest "redpill" type phony boss I had previously, I guess people think it makes them sound cool. In literally every vlog ive seen of his, he is chilling on a terrace smoking cigars and getting drunk, chilling.

        I like a lot of what Tate says and his dgaf energy, but the guy oozes bullshit. Hes probably a compulsive liar. I dont believe for a second he has never been in a gym. He was probably intimidated by Mike Thurstons superior physique and wanted to make it seem like spending that amount of time in the gym was something that was beneath him.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Refer to picrel he’s just playing the game

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            literally this
            tate himself reinforces this idea
            you're not gonna "leave the slave matrix" or whatever you wanna call it, unless you break the rules of the fucking game
            you dont have to start gangbangin and doing criminal shit to get out, in fact i wouldn't advise that
            but you need to look at how the game is build currently for your average wagie, and NOT PLAY IT
            i think the motherfucker might lurk around IST sometimes from the way he talks

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              IT feel like he browses IST and maybe IST at times.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            terrible advice. humans need teams and community. if you do this, whether it's at work or your personal life, most people will see through your bullshit and you will end up a social pariah that everyone hates. the people who are smarter than you will educate the dumb ones about you. and most people are going to be smarter than you anyways, because only a retard would attempt to live their life like this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            literally this
            tate himself reinforces this idea
            you're not gonna "leave the slave matrix" or whatever you wanna call it, unless you break the rules of the fucking game
            you dont have to start gangbangin and doing criminal shit to get out, in fact i wouldn't advise that
            but you need to look at how the game is build currently for your average wagie, and NOT PLAY IT
            i think the motherfucker might lurk around IST sometimes from the way he talks

            damn yall really fucking autisitic if you go through life thinking like this. You guys shit on normies for being inauthentic then you try to push lying about everything as a valid life strategy. You guys are too autistic to feel the room or gauge your audiences' interest in your physique and lifestyle. Some people are genuinely interested, and you can pick up on it. Other times people inquire about it without ever intending on following it or caring what you actually say, in which case you make a joke and move on.

            Its funny that you guys cant excuse Tate's bad behavior. I like a lot of the things he says and he has some solid advice, but his lying is obvious to everyone and pushes a lot of people away and leaves an bad taste in my mouth. I know people IRL that compulsively lie like this about trivial shit and they end up pushing smart people away cause they can see straight through the bullshit and its just awkward. You guys are socially and emotionally retarded and should probably seek help to work on that.

            >literally this
            tate himself reinforces this idea
            you're not gonna "leave the slave matrix" or whatever you wanna call it, unless you break the rules of the fucking game
            Youre so fucking retarded lol. Tate didnt get rich from lying. Hes a professional fighter, and may or may not have made money from investments.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >damn yall
              stopped reading at "yall"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you probably dont read at all

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >may or may not have made money from investments.
              He made his initial millions from running webcam girls, he's been completely upfront about that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          t.your average triggered soi plebbichud
          i bet you call him a sexist too and listen to h3h3
          stop hating on the guy, he's clearly successful
          he clearly plays a character so beta gays like you get triggered and talk about him even more
          most of the shit he says is pretty clear common sense to everyone, he's just putting it out in a very charismatic way which resonates with the current young male generations that have had their balls chopped up until now, and finally these manosphere "idols" (if you wanna call them that) are giving men their balls back

          your triggered soiboi ass can't handle real masculinity so you feel the need to attack a real man for putting out there what's needed to stop being a zoomer gay
          41%
          chop your balls and rope

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            imagine simping this hard for some e-celeb conman. fucking lmao

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Holy shit, surprised his cock was out of your mouth long enough to type this out.
              >calling me triggered
              Nice projection gay. I literally said a like a lot of what he says lmao.

              imagine simping for bitches that are out there treating you like shit and calling one of the few real ones out there speaking the truth a conman
              listen to a couple videos of that guy and not some lefty triggered soiboi speaking over him
              i can tell you're a plebbichud soiboi left gay from the way you write
              you dont belong here
              go back

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The only one simping here is you lol.
                >"NOOOOOO IF YOU DONT TRUST EvERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF ANDREW TATES MOUTH THEN YOU MUST LOVE H3H3 HAHA BETA BASEDBOYS!!!"
                literally KYS fagget. Not everyone needs someone to teach them how to be a man.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit, surprised his cock was out of your mouth long enough to type this out.
            >calling me triggered
            Nice projection gay. I literally said a like a lot of what he says lmao.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >He was probably intimidated by Mike Thurstons superior physique and wanted to make it seem like spending that amount of time in the gym was something that was beneath him.
          pretty accurate imo, this type of person that always has to find a way to be up above others

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck there's two of them now?

      15+ years lifting if that ain't natty why even lift?

      not familiar with these guys but they certainly look natty. For one, they're not that big, nor are they very defined... Steroids will generally give you the former or latter to an extreme, or a combination of huge/lean that would otherwise be impossible. Steroids allow your muscles to hold a large amount of water/glycogen--- moreso than normal--- which is what contributes to that constantly full, round look of every muscle in a juicer. these guys don't have that really; it looks like a simple pump

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The whole "they don't look that big so that means they aren't on roids" thing is fucking stupid, most people on roids aren't huge or very defined.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No idea whether they're actually natty or not, but if you think the left (the good looking body) isn't achievable natty with the right training/diet and some half decent genetics then you're coping pretty hard.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can buy them buying natty.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not with their lifestyle

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Left looks decent. Right looks like something I ate then dropped.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that tat looks absolutely retarded

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      all tats do brah

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ahahahahahaa

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is he grabbing his dick?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >kickboxer
    >natty
    Choose one, you can't be both.

    Also, his brother (front guy) is an alchi and big foodie/partier but has delts/traps of that size. Does more need to be said? It's pretty obvious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      hey wtf i was kickboxing for 10years and natty 🙁

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        and you wonder why no one knows your name?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          actually did it for fun you know what that is? 🙂

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my traps are fucking huge from purely good genetics
      /fit has a serious issue at getting triggered at good natty physiques
      maybe if you hopped off you dumb fucking soi latte and lentils diet and ate meat like a fucking man you'd see some gains

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        do you even know these guys? you can't maintain these physiques natty with the shitty (but fun) lifestyle they have

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you can, depending on genetics you absolutely can
          go ahead and believe what you want man, arguing with this new /fit gen is useless, you zoomies are as retarded and angry at life as they come, everything is other's faults but yours

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dude on right got himself one of those scalp tattoos, lol.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't the one on the right get arrested?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you fucking retards should stfu, he is driving all young men to thrive, he owns tik tok now and everyone is a G, stop being a loser and work hard

    What colour is your buggati OP?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What colour is your buggati OP?
      What color is yours?
      >he is driving all young men to thrive
      Oh yeah, they seem to really build Luke up! He seems so confident when hes around them.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is the the to smart to read guy?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ex ufc fighter....

    6'4 amog the fuck out of the neckbeards here

    definitely gets more women than you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he was never in the ufc

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