umm nandrolone is typically dosed about 10-20x what lgd is so an mg-to-mg comarison is worthless. A typical dose of nadrolone will be vastly more effective than a typical dose of lgd and if you were to titrate up the dose of lgd to try and match it the side effects would rapidly increase. SARMS aren't worthless but they are not nearly as effective as steroids.
increase muscle mass like roids but are much more precise at targeting the androgen receptors in the muscles. most of them don't shut you down nearly as much as roids, they often don't even require PCT or the test production comes back much quicker i.e.. they don't supress luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone.
most of them are hair-safe, unlike fin-resistant test analogs. even the weakest ones, like ostarine, are, mg per mg, stronger than anavar or deca, while being much less androgenic.
the sides are negligible, usually, they minimally increase LDL at the worst and drinking a few drinks per week is much more toxic to the liver.
tl;dr newer more effective roids basically without sides, as confirmed by the studies, and people claiming otherwise bought fake shit
>increase muscle mass like roids
True but generally only at high dosages >much more precise at targeting the androgen receptors in the muscles
Correct >most of them don't shut you down nearly as much as roids, they often don't even require PCT or the test production comes back much quicker i.e.. they don't supress luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone
Do you even know the difference between suppression and shutdown?
The most common SARMs (ostarine, LGD) actually do suppress LH and FSH, therefore destroy test production and case other hormonal imbalances, but unlike traditional steroids they usually do not completely shut you down. This means that you can indeed recover naturally over the course of several months but a PCT is still very highly advised, while on actual steroids you'd be left with wrecked hormones for too long unless you restore the balance with said drugs. >most of them are hair-safe
True >even the weakest ones, like ostarine, are, mg per mg, stronger than anavar or deca
It's totally useless to compare entirely different substances' efficacy at an absolute measure, some drugs are effective at a mcg scale, others require grams. What a dumb statement. >while being much less androgenic
Correct >the sides are negligible, usually
Not so much. They are in fact usually lower than regular steroids but they CAN be harsh, even life-threatening. >minimally increase LDL
No, they can greatly increase LDL (but it is not common) >drinking a few drinks per week is much more toxic to the liver
I hate alcohol but this is debatable, leaning towards "nope" >tl;dr newer more effective roids basically without sides, as confirmed by the studies, and people claiming otherwise bought fake shit
tl;dr - stop spewing bullshit about SARMs, they are fantastic substances indeed but they are NOT just "roids without sides", they are more selective anabolic substances that WILL still cause hormone imbalance. I do recommend SARMs over traditional roids though.
Probably just Ostarine at 10mg going up to 20 if you want. You can add cardarine for a big cardio and fat loss bump. will cost probably 100 dollars or a little more if you want to add a light pct for the end
>light pct for the end
like nolva?
10mg ed for 4 weeks or something?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I do not remember tbh I took too much and messed up my estrogen but I am obese so do your own research lol. Lots of people bigging up Enclomiphene to run with sarms so you do not need anything. Lots of people run no PCT
this is what the 130lbs sarm brothers want you to believe, there is a reason bodybuilders use roids and not sarms
I used it to kickstart getting fit after being a lazy neet. Let work hard 9 hours a day and go to the gym. I only used a cycle to start then will try something when I get out of o beast mode. Id say sarms are much safer and much more inline with getting healthier instead of the self harm most roiders are doing due to terrible insecurity
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nice picture. I love good comedy
Oh wait. I'm supposed to take you seriously. Shoot, forgot
>But hey you probably havent taken either so you wouldnt know
why would I take roids when SARMs exist? should I use leeches instead of antibiotics for pneumonia too? I built more strength on a single SARM cycle I started totally untrained after years of being completely sedentary, than I built during almost a decade of natty lifting when I was much younger.
>I built more strength on a single SARM cycle I started totally untrained after years of being completely sedentary, than I built during almost a decade of natty lifting when I was much younger.
This says more about your effort than anything else
Which sarm did you take?
I do think this is true. Id say an ostarine/cardarine cycle from doing nothing let me progress my underdeveloped muscle. I did not lift on on my cycle just swam but I never lost the fitness gains. Sarms and cardarine are probably best for new lifters or people who do not work out
Depends on your location. Most decent places will get lab tests
https://www.peakbody.co.uk/sarms
I got it from here. I would only try 1 substance at a time though. Plus all the studies are on much lower doses. I by the end was taking 20mg of ostarine but the studies showing muscle growth was 3mg or .3mg I forget
I 100% got some suppression though. I accidently nuked my estrogen at one point cause my nipples kept burning. I had never felt so angry. My wiener 100% got bigger due to increased blood volume.
But since I only swim on cardarine I ws adding 50% endurance to every workout but even as a fat c**t im a hyper responder to exercise I think. To the point that doing uphill bike rides I see big improvements week over week
I responded well to RAD-140 paired with enclomiphene citrate to prevent suppression.
My unsolicited advice is to experiment with low dosages. Don't blast this stuff, find the lowest effective dose for you and be patient about your progress. At 5mg of testolone a day, my lifts went up and my body got bigger/harder with no real side effects outside mild aggression. Bloods came back good, no hair loss, nothing. I saw real gains, but not moronic gains that would be hard to keep afterward. You gotta think about your health, and about what you're going to do when you come off the drug post-cycle. If you blast high dosages and get used to that as baseline, it will be hard to adjust afterward in several ways.
Overall it's a marathon, not a sprint - even with PEDs. But this requires the kind of mindset that people who resort to PEDs right off the bat don't tend to have.
>drug that has been around since 1970 and taken by tens of thousands of people, studied over decades >drug that has been around since 2015 and taken by tens of people, studied a handful of times for a few months at most
Gee I wonder why
My point is would you rather take something that has been around long enough and used enough that all the short and long term side-effects are known, or something new that could have any effect that takes decades to develop, whether it's arteriosclerosis or a slow-growing brain tumour?
What's the point of arguing with a moron b***h? So I have to consider and entertain every r*fditor fricking homosexual, for what reason? Frick all of you
8 months ago
Anonymous
Whoa, looks like estrogen-rage to me, hahaha
8 months ago
Anonymous
See:
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Kek
You guys are running on fumes at this point
Gonna have to get a real job one day
>SARMs were first discovered in the 1940s after researchers modified the chemical structure of testosterone molecule. SARMs back then were derived from testosterone.
So they do basically what steroids do, but are more precise, and actually in a way more researched in the sense that more work was done on the work that it took to bring the various steroids to market
Sounds like the steroid industry is shitting itself
We need to know more about SARMs and atherosclerosis.
Orals that are nice to our livers and hairsafe are good, but not if we shave off 10 years of our lives
what was the nandrolone dose?
can't find the study now, but I think it was the same mg amount as one of the of LGD bars
umm nandrolone is typically dosed about 10-20x what lgd is so an mg-to-mg comarison is worthless. A typical dose of nadrolone will be vastly more effective than a typical dose of lgd and if you were to titrate up the dose of lgd to try and match it the side effects would rapidly increase. SARMS aren't worthless but they are not nearly as effective as steroids.
But if they have no sides they're actually way more effective
Qrd on sarms
increase muscle mass like roids but are much more precise at targeting the androgen receptors in the muscles. most of them don't shut you down nearly as much as roids, they often don't even require PCT or the test production comes back much quicker i.e.. they don't supress luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone.
most of them are hair-safe, unlike fin-resistant test analogs. even the weakest ones, like ostarine, are, mg per mg, stronger than anavar or deca, while being much less androgenic.
the sides are negligible, usually, they minimally increase LDL at the worst and drinking a few drinks per week is much more toxic to the liver.
tl;dr newer more effective roids basically without sides, as confirmed by the studies, and people claiming otherwise bought fake shit
>increase muscle mass like roids
True but generally only at high dosages
>much more precise at targeting the androgen receptors in the muscles
Correct
>most of them don't shut you down nearly as much as roids, they often don't even require PCT or the test production comes back much quicker i.e.. they don't supress luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone
Do you even know the difference between suppression and shutdown?
The most common SARMs (ostarine, LGD) actually do suppress LH and FSH, therefore destroy test production and case other hormonal imbalances, but unlike traditional steroids they usually do not completely shut you down. This means that you can indeed recover naturally over the course of several months but a PCT is still very highly advised, while on actual steroids you'd be left with wrecked hormones for too long unless you restore the balance with said drugs.
>most of them are hair-safe
True
>even the weakest ones, like ostarine, are, mg per mg, stronger than anavar or deca
It's totally useless to compare entirely different substances' efficacy at an absolute measure, some drugs are effective at a mcg scale, others require grams. What a dumb statement.
>while being much less androgenic
Correct
>the sides are negligible, usually
Not so much. They are in fact usually lower than regular steroids but they CAN be harsh, even life-threatening.
>minimally increase LDL
No, they can greatly increase LDL (but it is not common)
>drinking a few drinks per week is much more toxic to the liver
I hate alcohol but this is debatable, leaning towards "nope"
>tl;dr newer more effective roids basically without sides, as confirmed by the studies, and people claiming otherwise bought fake shit
tl;dr - stop spewing bullshit about SARMs, they are fantastic substances indeed but they are NOT just "roids without sides", they are more selective anabolic substances that WILL still cause hormone imbalance. I do recommend SARMs over traditional roids though.
>I do recommend SARMs over traditional roids though.
whats the SARM equivalent of your first 500mg test-e weekly for 16 weeks cycle?
Probably just Ostarine at 10mg going up to 20 if you want. You can add cardarine for a big cardio and fat loss bump. will cost probably 100 dollars or a little more if you want to add a light pct for the end
>light pct for the end
like nolva?
10mg ed for 4 weeks or something?
I do not remember tbh I took too much and messed up my estrogen but I am obese so do your own research lol. Lots of people bigging up Enclomiphene to run with sarms so you do not need anything. Lots of people run no PCT
I used it to kickstart getting fit after being a lazy neet. Let work hard 9 hours a day and go to the gym. I only used a cycle to start then will try something when I get out of o beast mode. Id say sarms are much safer and much more inline with getting healthier instead of the self harm most roiders are doing due to terrible insecurity
Nice picture. I love good comedy
Oh wait. I'm supposed to take you seriously. Shoot, forgot
this is what the 130lbs sarm brothers want you to believe, there is a reason bodybuilders use roids and not sarms
do you still have to run sarms with a test base?
>LBM
Water weight.
LGD worked well for me but raped my liver enzymes
Other way around.
But hey you probably havent taken either so you wouldnt know
>But hey you probably havent taken either so you wouldnt know
why would I take roids when SARMs exist? should I use leeches instead of antibiotics for pneumonia too? I built more strength on a single SARM cycle I started totally untrained after years of being completely sedentary, than I built during almost a decade of natty lifting when I was much younger.
>I built more strength on a single SARM cycle I started totally untrained after years of being completely sedentary, than I built during almost a decade of natty lifting when I was much younger.
This says more about your effort than anything else
Which sarm did you take?
I do think this is true. Id say an ostarine/cardarine cycle from doing nothing let me progress my underdeveloped muscle. I did not lift on on my cycle just swam but I never lost the fitness gains. Sarms and cardarine are probably best for new lifters or people who do not work out
How do you know you're getting the real stuff
Depends on your location. Most decent places will get lab tests
https://www.peakbody.co.uk/sarms
I got it from here. I would only try 1 substance at a time though. Plus all the studies are on much lower doses. I by the end was taking 20mg of ostarine but the studies showing muscle growth was 3mg or .3mg I forget
I 100% got some suppression though. I accidently nuked my estrogen at one point cause my nipples kept burning. I had never felt so angry. My wiener 100% got bigger due to increased blood volume.
But since I only swim on cardarine I ws adding 50% endurance to every workout but even as a fat c**t im a hyper responder to exercise I think. To the point that doing uphill bike rides I see big improvements week over week
wheres the citations? who made this graph?
did you make it lol?
I responded well to RAD-140 paired with enclomiphene citrate to prevent suppression.
My unsolicited advice is to experiment with low dosages. Don't blast this stuff, find the lowest effective dose for you and be patient about your progress. At 5mg of testolone a day, my lifts went up and my body got bigger/harder with no real side effects outside mild aggression. Bloods came back good, no hair loss, nothing. I saw real gains, but not moronic gains that would be hard to keep afterward. You gotta think about your health, and about what you're going to do when you come off the drug post-cycle. If you blast high dosages and get used to that as baseline, it will be hard to adjust afterward in several ways.
Overall it's a marathon, not a sprint - even with PEDs. But this requires the kind of mindset that people who resort to PEDs right off the bat don't tend to have.
Seems too good to be true what's the catch
Also book recommends?
>drug that has been around since 1970 and taken by tens of thousands of people, studied over decades
>drug that has been around since 2015 and taken by tens of people, studied a handful of times for a few months at most
Gee I wonder why
Wtf does this mean
Steroids were way before 70s and sarms around 08
My point is would you rather take something that has been around long enough and used enough that all the short and long term side-effects are known, or something new that could have any effect that takes decades to develop, whether it's arteriosclerosis or a slow-growing brain tumour?
That's outrageous conjecture
Its a fair point. Test is studied through and through, so is a lot safer.
You're a pathethic b***h
What's the point of arguing with a moron b***h? So I have to consider and entertain every r*fditor fricking homosexual, for what reason? Frick all of you
Whoa, looks like estrogen-rage to me, hahaha
See:
>SARMs were first discovered in the 1940s after researchers modified the chemical structure of testosterone molecule. SARMs back then were derived from testosterone.
sarms do literally nothing
Kek
You guys are running on fumes at this point
Gonna have to get a real job one day
I don't use either and I'm a model. Stop with the bullshit.
Ostarine plus card made me incredibly gay. I must have nutted to pics and videos from lgbt trannies over discord100 times
So they do basically what steroids do, but are more precise, and actually in a way more researched in the sense that more work was done on the work that it took to bring the various steroids to market
Sounds like the steroid industry is shitting itself
The only reason I do not roid is heart disease. I am hoping the new zoomer lifter sam will get his heart checked.
Can someone make a sarms cycle for me?
I'm afraid to take testosterone.
We need to know more about SARMs and atherosclerosis.
Orals that are nice to our livers and hairsafe are good, but not if we shave off 10 years of our lives