>start pinning some test
>realize they arent a magic pill
>im gonna have to stab myself in the ass for years and years while wasting money on it
>you can achieve a physique natty that is impressive to 99% of normies
stay natty bros
roids are a waste of time and money
you fell for the meme op, sorry. 99.9% of IST understands this but 0.01% regret their choice to fraud and constantly spam and shill for people to do it. so it seems like most of IST supports frauding when in reality, no one ever thinks about it except the dudes who have to stab themselves every day for the rest of their lives
I mean i hate to say it but, DUH. Roids are the great filter that separate the man-babies who want the easy way from those who have the integrity to put in the work without roids. Seems obvious to anyone really.
>>im gonna have to stab myself in the ass for years and years
No, one or two cycles. Even after you get better androgen receptor response and gaining mass/weight becomes easier.
This is always a cope
>muh integrity
There's nothing special about lifting weights. It's a means to an end. If your hobby is lifting weights that's pretty sad.
Lifting weights is a hobby of mine. It’s time to disconnect from the world and be In my own head a while. It’s also a reason I enjoy going on walks in nature.
I can’t complain about the muscle and health benefits I’ve acquired along the way. 12 consistent years as a natty may not put me to where somebody would be with a few years of roids, but I am proud of where it has brought me and the benefits it continues to provide.
Plus I’m 34, I’m already head and shoulders more fit than anybody I interact with. What value does even more muscle convey for me? Nothing.
I second everything this anon said.
I never have found a reason to roid
t. 43 year old, natty, lifting since 14. Daily walker.
>just do one or two cycles bro
>stops and has fricked up hormones and low T for months or even years even PCT
>b-but muh receptors got better after roidi-ACK
I believe he gained back most of his gains shortly after.
>all of your gains are entirely at the mercy of Chinese hormone altering drugs that will slowly kill you because you didn’t want to work harder or fix your diet
I agree roids are bad but you’re delusional if you think working harder and fixing your diet will take you anywhere near the standard for a good physique these days
You have zero clue how easy it is to impress normies
Makes sense since you live on the internet and obsess over homosexual steroid junkies
Are you terminally online?
This is like claiming the standard of a good physique was body building magazines you found next to the sports illustrated some 20 years ago.
Go outside and find even 1 person in 24 hours that has a frauded instagram influencer body.
>but you’re delusional if you think working harder and fixing your diet will take you anywhere near the standard for a good physique these days
This. Training natural is way fricking harder, especially when cutting. If you see someone with any decent amount of muscle who is shredded, even if they don't have that much muscle, they are almost certainly on gear. When natural, serious cutting kills your natural testosterone production and puts your body in an extremely catabolic state. Injecting even a small dose of testosterone will help you preserve exponentially more muscle while cutting. This might not sound like that big of a deal, but if you've got a decent bit of fat, and you try to lose dozens of pounds of fat, you're going to lose a ton of muscle along with that fat if you're cutting naturally. I know from experience. Shit sucks.
Sick quads
Thanks, anon.
Checked
As a natty you have zero reason going anywhere less or more than 10%-15% bf
Stop trying to copy roid freaks, stop trying to bulk to 30% thinking you’ll keep some kind of “big strongman” physique you will just be fat, and stop trying to cut to 5% trying to look stage ready when you will just look like an emaciated junkie
sure when he had to go back on
well, yeah. that's what roids are for
Side-effects aren't worth it, whatever overcompensating dudebros try to sell you.
Was this your personal experience or are you speculating?
no shit sherlock
the magic doesnt start until youre on npp tren and hgh with exotic orals
testosterone by itself does nothing except make you retain water weight and give you b***h breasts
ive quit roids several times. but sooner or later you always come back because you realize that atleast with roids you have a shot at becoming aesthetic, meanwhile nattys should just stop lifting completely because it leads to nowhere
100% of women that gave me their opinion without asking told me "shes not into too muscular men" but shit their pants on ottermode singers and actors. Roiding is not worth it. Even if women were into that, your dick wont work anyway. Its fricking stupid, just eat, lift and do some cardio, thats all you need to do to impress everybody
this is wrong and delusional on so many levels i can't even be bothered seriously replying to this cope
Most ottermode singers and actors are roiders (cycle and also lift natty).
Taking gear is like riding motorcycles. You look and feel like an alpha male, it's extremely fun, but after a long enough time, the reality of the lifestyle you live starts to give intense anxiety. You see how reckless you can become and how little you value your own life. You can romanticize it as living a richer life in experience at the expense of life expectancy, but at the end of the day, you are burning the candle at both ends.
There's a yuge disconnect between IRL and social media/online/pictures/etc.
IRL it takes very little to stand out among normalgays but online you need to anglefraud hard to not look small. It's kind of like the old saying "TV adds 20 lbs to your figure."
I know guys with legit 9/10 natty fizeeks that look merely above average online because they take candid pics with terrible angles. There's a "pop" factor that cannot be conveyed in a picture.
A discerning gymcel would still be able to tell they have advanced fizeeks from certain telltale signs but again, normies are clueless and very easy to fool on either direction.
So the takeout is: stay natty BUT fraud the frick out of your pictures.
Photography is talmudic sorcery, simple as. Injuns were right about this.
Our fizeeks weren't meant to be crystallized and reduced to fit in a 6 inch screen.
This is true. I've only been lifting for a few years and randoms IRL always mention how I've got big arms when meeting me the first time. Online I look pretty DYEL
same. normies think I have huge arms. I measured them recently they are around 15.5- 16inches around. Kek
nobody natty looks impressive
NOBODY
because natty lifting does nothing
Its just his face that pulls girls
there was nothing said about girls champ
A top tier natty will look like a Greek God standing side by side with a couch potato.
3D abs alone are impressive by themselves.
Go ISTside, demoraligger.
Nice post, anon.
That explains why people tell me I'm a genetic freak irl and a dyel on IST. I was getting mad, I'm not gonna lie.
when you're an old man (30+) you should at least be on TRT though
maybe a little ozempic or tirz to keep the fat off
oh and some addy for mental clarity of course
>thinking 30 is old
sheesh
Reminds me of that reddit screencap meme where they had like 7 different medications for each day.
Opposite experience for me.
>Work out since I was a teenager
>While I'm able to make lift gains every year, my body looks less and less impressive every year
>Hit 35 years old. Lifts at all time highs, but body looks completely normiecore. Like completely normal BMI, lifts all in competitive range, but I just sort of look like an average midwestern dude who maybe does physical labor for a living
>start pinning
>within 1 year make more strength gains that I had in the past 5 years
>suddenly shredded abs despite eating more than ever because I'm hungry all the time
>facial shape changes from slightly dysgenic midwestern dude to 'maybe could be a male model' face
>tons of more energy. Do more chores around the house and yard. Perform better at work. Happy wife.
How much do you pin?
Just test. Doctor prescribed trt. 200mg/ml doses as needed. I pay a flat $200/month rate at a local men's health clinic. That lets me visit once per week for blood work and injections if needed. I usually go every other week, or sometimes when busy once per month.
200mg test per every other week?
Nice. What did you take? Just test?
>facial shape changes from slightly dysgenic midwestern dude to 'maybe could be a male model' face
This has to be the product of low BF%. There's no mechanism for roids (let alone a baby-tier TRT+ dose) to cause this in a postpubertal man.
Anon... reading this gave me an erection and I am not sure why
Good job on your progress
Based.
Way to go, bro! I'm 39 and 13 wks into test/primo/var and I absolutely love it. 6'1 220 with veins in my shoulders. Everytime I look in the mirror I get leaner, but my bw keeps creeping up. I'm not even tracking calories, just eating my usual high protein /moderate carb diet until im full. No real side effects to speak of except difficulty getting more than 6 hrs of sleep at night and a raging hardon 24/7.
I'd never do it because I don't want to risk my hair and skin quality.
they arent a magic pill
Clearly not pinning enough (too pussy).
Roiders just want to be the best they can be, which is respectable, but there are no free shortcuts in life. You pay to look good with your lifespan and addiction. Roiders whether they are powerlifters, bodybuilders or aestheic builders, they're all too concerned about what others perceive them as rather than what they truly are. Natty doesn't mean less gains, it means actually gaining on a net balance. Roids are just a trade-off, they're a loan with a debt to pay.
Be proud with yourself, don't aspire to be some addiction role model.
>im gonna have to stab myself in the ass for years and years while wasting money on it
It's not that expensive, anon. Also, your gains should be pretty insane on your first cycle if you do everything right.
Why do pro wrestlers who juice look so big? Yes, it's a lot of work and not magic, but those wrestlers all talk about how they drink like crazy on the road yet they're still jacked
those are the older chad wrestlers, most the current wrestlers are onions.
I love reading threads like this because I never worry about little people things like this. I'm 6'4". I don't have to worry if some lil guy has 3% less body fat than me, or if some bloater can bench 30 more lbs. than me. Me standing next to them invalidates both of their work.
okay rajeet
here's comes the polface mutt mad because I'm bigger than him lol.
First time I pinned I just felt disgusted, seriously when that needle went thru I got all kinds of fricked up thoughts in my mind, like depression and emptiness.
I do believe most roiders suffer from auto acceptance, like if you think about it, it's a sad fricking reality out there, having to stab urself with a needle 2x a week for years and years just so you can acquire vanity isn't normal human behavior.
That said, I think me getting into roids was good for my mental one way or another, was quite a huge awakening, I realized that there's really no shortcut in life, it sparked a fire back into natty lifting and I quit roids within a few weeks of being on it. Yes I got PRs while being on it and felt stronger but you still need to put hard work in.
I just don't think getting close to ur natty limit is worth all the hassle of potential gyno, balding, acne and all the hidden organ side effects that will make you pay the bill later on.
Now I understand why a lot of roiders told me not to get into it, it's kind of a point of no return if you do it long enough, stay natty bros.
Had a similar experience although I felt nothing on the first pin
Quit after 2 months, it's just not worth it
I have zero regrets with running a cycle, didn't have to keep pinning to maintain test, even though I half assed my PCT, and I kept literally all my strength gains. But yeah whatever.
>I could spend thousands on steroids
>or I could become an FFL and buy nods, too
Owning a full auto canned MP5 is way cooler than being ripped.
It's always been more of a joint tendon thing with me and that seems to be what limits super heavy lifts roided besides hgh which I guess might make you weaker because of growth plates or something.
I've actually put on some size natural but for some people that's the difference between 18 inch arms and 20+.
Go away roider crab. You are trying to scam the natties into avoiding roids.
I PCTed in order to get my wife pregnant again, but once she is im hopping back on
'Just one cycle' really is a joke
>0.01% regret their choice
The other 99.99% die before they lived long enough to regret it. Also, the roider tendency to vaccinate is a factor in their deaths.
most guys in the 20-30 age range, even at fricking PF have used anabolics, easily 50-60%.
People in general do not.
Many men that are IN the gym are only there because they're already on steroids, not that they were persuaded after lifting naturally. Gym is a very uncommon hobby.