Sandow

How did he get so jacked if roids were not a thing back then? Also his training methods were a bunch of crazy wacky lifts that modern "science based" bodybuilders would consider useless and even dangerous
So what was his secret? Were natty test levels just extremely high back then?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Although he did look good, a lot of it I suspect was the halo effect from low body fat, coupled with the right lighting. Also early photos were notorious for being 'shopped' in the darkroom.

    >"The more things change the more they stay the same"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Jimmy Seethrough

      What he said, but happier and with my mouth open.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol, you're right. Didn't realise I was clenching my teeth as I was typing..

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because we made full circle and now 22 FFMI with 6pack is 100% roids because the guy having it clearly has acne/thin hair/too big delts /whatever bs reason. Whys that? think its because zoomers thinking theyre capped after 2-3 years of lifting and powerbloaters who never seen their body sub 20%

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. "Also his training methods were a bunch of crazy wacky lifts that modern "science based" bodybuilders would consider useless and even dangerous." Not true. What many did at the time for muscle correlates-ish with what Arthur Jones ended up extolling: 8-12ish big exercises, 1 set to max, 10-20 reps. The 'whacky lifts' were trained with modern-ish strength training principles: e.g. 'bent press' ramp up over a few sets to a max effort once a week and lift less weight on other days (which is Tommy Kono or Bill Starr's H/L/M) and taking complete rest 'when needed' for a week or two. This is all in the books of the era.
    2. Sandow had great genetics and looks like a more 'seasoned' version of drug-free bodybuilders with great genetics. Compare Sandow with young, drug free, Dorian Yates. The bodies are very similar.
    3. Pics from the era use lightning techniques and some are obviously retouched by artists.
    4. Male hormones and health were obviously better pre destruction of european manhood past WW1, though next to nothing is known definitively. If that Norway study showing that ethnic Norwegian IQ has dropped 1 point plus per decade since the 1950s is true, it's obviously a clear example of a decline in health across the 20th century.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4. Male hormones and health were obviously better pre destruction of european manhood past WW1, though next to nothing is known definitively. If that Norway study showing that ethnic Norwegian IQ has dropped 1 point plus per decade since the 1950s is true, it's obviously a clear example of a decline in health across the 20th century.
      Neither the IQ nor the hormones are true.

      In the 50s only upper class citizens would ever get a IQ test, and these are dubious tests as well. Test tests were never common either and even today people usually only do it if they show symptoms of low test or are cycling

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the strongmen of that era recommended using very light weight, full muscle control and very hard squeezing for each rep, resulting in a very hypertrophic state.
    They could do weird exercises because they didn't use any significant weight because almost all the resistance was obtained with counterforce in the intense squeeze. They basically only used the weights to have something to grab on to and guide the squeeze.
    They also all advocated 'holding isometric' exercises of various types, pushing against or pulling an immovable object.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isometrics are good for strength adaptations but not for hypertrophy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you do the exercises they recommend correctly then you'll experience lots of hypertrophy.
        I think it's the squeezing and the movement combined that does the trick. I don't get hypertrophy if I squeeze and hold still, but but I get an insane muscle burn if I squeeze hard and move at the same time with light weights.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Isometrics are the least optimal type of exercise for hypertrophy. The most optimal are eccentrics. Isometrics are great for training your CNS for maximum motor unit activation. I think you're confusing most fatigue=most hypertrophy when it's most fatigue=most strength adaptation.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I think you're confusing most fatigue=most hypertrophy when it's most fatigue=most strength adaptation
            Well, kind of. But it's not strictly isometrics because you also have movement and weight involved.
            However, with light weight you can control it like an eccentric exercise.
            If you don't squeeze as hard it won't burn as much and you will get more of a pump.
            At a certain rep count you get the maximum hypertrophy.
            But really you just start out squeezing hard and then less and less like a dropset.
            I believe a dropset is one of the most hypertrophic exercises you can do.
            The science isn't totally black and white in this area especially with all the factors involved in the bronze era squeezing techniques.
            All I can say is that it works for me when I do it the right way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely impressive physique

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >resulting in a very hypertrophic state
      this means absolutely nothing, you're a fricking brainlet trying to sound smart

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's your argument?
        That hypertrophy isn't on a spectrum from low to high?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but that would be a sound argument since it isn't.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hypertrophy is the increase in size of the muscle cells, in contrast to hyperplasia.
            Hypertrophy is basically the relative size of the individual muscle cell.
            You can say that the bigger the cell is, the more hypertrophic it is.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can say that if you insist but a workout is still either going to induce hypertrophy or it isn't. There's no magnitude to it. It does it or it doesn't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a workout is still either going to induce hypertrophy or it isn't. There's no magnitude to it. It does it or it doesn't.
                That doesn't make sense.
                Hypertrophy is an increase in size of the cell. It's relative to the size before workout. Cells are not only either small or big, they're on a spectrum because it's a volume. You'll find each cell has a specific volume prior and post exercise. it either grows or shrinks or multiplies. That's basically all it means.
                >Hypertrophy is the increase in the volume of an organ or tissue due to the enlargement of its component cells.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is no "very hypertrophic state". They either hypertrophied and got a little bigger from the workout or they didn't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A muscle cell can be compared to a balloon in a sense.
                If you blow a little bit of air into it, it becomes a little bit hypertrophic.
                If you blow a lot of air into it, it becomes very hypertrophic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it can't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                False.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just flex as hard as you can and say grow grow grow.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he was right all along, and we mocked him like fools!

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good genetics. Your average natty cannot achieve that nowadays

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He rubbed onions all over his skin.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But steroids already existed?

    Is everyone here moronic now? You can look up the doping scandals of big sports. Baseball had its big one just before Sandow entered the scene with cannonball delts and low bodyfat, looking and performing completely different from the strongmen before him. Coincidence? You decide.

    Sandow was israeli, btw. israelites were always big into the show biz aspect of physical culture and combat sports.

    Maybe read a book sometimes, fricking American idiots.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bodybuilding was created by israelites
      Thats sad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steroids didn't exist in the bronze era no.
      Even testosterone was only first synthesized in 1935

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brown-Séquard Elixir

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Players have attempted to gain chemical advantages in baseball since the earliest days of the sport. In 1889, for example, pitcher Pud Galvin became the first baseball player to be widely known for his use of performance-enhancing substances.[6] Galvin was a user and vocal proponent of the Brown-Séquard Elixir, a testosterone supplement derived from the testicles of live animals such as dogs and guinea pigs.[6]
        Holy shit

        This shit was animal jizz that they shot up into their veins. It was literally placebo. The effects have never been replicated because there's no organ in the body which contains test above that which you can find in any random muscle, and which has no effect.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Players have attempted to gain chemical advantages in baseball since the earliest days of the sport. In 1889, for example, pitcher Pud Galvin became the first baseball player to be widely known for his use of performance-enhancing substances.[6] Galvin was a user and vocal proponent of the Brown-Séquard Elixir, a testosterone supplement derived from the testicles of live animals such as dogs and guinea pigs.[6]
      Holy shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone forgot to charge rent for Americans this month...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What? Don't like to be called out on your bullshit opinions? Too bad, you tiny American man.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steroids didn't exist. The "doping" of late 1800's-early 1900's was basically limited to cocaine, morphine and strychnine. And it was hardly a scandal since it was not regulated at all, at most it could've been seen as dishonorable behavior.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone was on steroids stop lying

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          let's see if that's true:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid#Discovery_of_androgens

          First steroid was introduced in 1936, so no.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            From your own link:
            >The use of gonadal steroids pre-dates their identification and isolation. Use of Cow urine for treatment of ascites, heart failure, renal failure and vitiligo has been elaborately described in Sushruta Samhita, suggesting that ancient Indians had some understanding of steroidal properties of Cow urine around 6th century BCE.[203] Extraction of hormones from urines began in China around 100 BCE.[citation needed] Medical use of testicle extract began in the late 19th century while its effects on strength were still being studied.[137] The isolation of gonadal steroids can be traced back to 1931, when Adolf Butenandt, a chemist in Marburg, purified 15 milligrams of the male hormone androstenone from tens of thousands of litres of urine. This steroid was subsequently synthesized in 1934 by Leopold Ružička, a chemist in Zurich.[204]

            People have been doping for millenia before actually synthesizing steroids. Don't be stupid.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The isolation of gonadal steroids can be traced back to 1931, when Adolf Butenandt, a chemist in Marburg, purified 15 milligrams of the male hormone androstenone from tens of thousands of litres of urine.
              >This steroid was subsequently synthesized in 1934 by Leopold Ružička, a chemist in Zurich
              that's the first we can say for sure.
              Who knows how many dog testicles you have to eat every day before you get the effects of a small dose of a synthesized testosterone or steroid?

              Starting on page 411 of the source[137]
              https://www.endocrine.org/~/media/endosociety/files/ep/rphr/57/rphr_vol_57_ch_19_anabolic_steroids.pdf
              We can not say for sure what 'testicular extract' was, what what in it, how well it worked or anything really.
              it continues to report that the first synthesized steroid hormone was synthesized in 1934.
              So anything before that is pure speculation.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Indians have been fricking up wikipedia for years pretending they invented everything 10,000 years ago. They aren't drinking cow urine for the steroidal effects.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Test didn't get used until after WW2. de Kruif's 'The Male Hormone' (1945) (tl;dr: a bestseller which extolled the drug as a fountain of masculine youth) popularized it, it was commonly used to treat injured soilders post war in Britain (Jim Halliday, a notable weightlifter from the era, was a prisoner of war with a micraculous story of skin and bones in a Japanese camp to champion lifter story) and by 1947 it was already commonly used in horse racing (Steve Reeves was actively involved in this community.) No bodybuilders from this era openly admit using test.

      You're probably thinking about Voronoff's monkey testicle transplants, but I've never found any case study of it being used for BBing/sport. Rumoured to be popular at the time though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You're probably thinking about Voronoff's monkey testicle transplants
        Was thinking about just this reading this thread
        https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-true-story-of-dr-voronoffs-plan-to-use-monkey-testicles-to-make-us-immortal

        >Rumoured to be popular at the time though.
        Here in France many aging horndogs in the parisian circles got their balls xenografted to monke, with great success it seems. Though the procedure had to be redone every 5 years or so.

        It's a very interesting subject, and it could be quite interesting if there was a way to humanely harvest chimp balls (maybe growing them in labs, just like fake meat) in order to graft them. Does it nuke natural T levels in the end as with injections?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stfu up Black person steroid abuse was already rampant at that time and widely available

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How did he get so jacked if roids were not a thing back then?
    He looks completely within natty limits. You guys are so obsessed with roids you think it's impossible to look remotely fit without them. Cope and seethe, you just need to actually lift.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He looks completely within natty limits
      Show me a modern natty who looks as good as Sandow. Its simply impossible to achieve his physique with modern natural test levels

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are tons.
        >inb4 "they're frauds"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All fake natties

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SO WHAT THE FRICK IS THE POINT OF ASKING homosexual

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              To piss you off, homo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mike ohearn

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Cecelia Drakensang In Seattle

    My fav era.

    Firstly, they are not as jacked as you perceive them to be. They are pumped, under lighting, and there is nothing to compare them next to.

    This is like standing cold naked in front of a full mirror, as opposed to getting a pump and doing a most muscular pose real close to the mirror. You will look like 2 different people.

    Sandows arms are likely 15.5 inches there. Many of them like him around 5'9" 180lbs.

    Of course this is impressive, and imo looks way better than the mentally ill roided bloat lords today.

    Their diets would be meats, eggs, veggies but no sugars or mass carbs.

    A handful of their lifts do not follow the 8-10 reps of a weight they can manage to build muscle, but the heaviest weights, often at 1 or 2 reps. This generally built strength as opposed to more size, which is why they have impressive lifts for their weight and size.

    They would also use light weights and control each muscle group. Put it under dynamic tension.

    Like the above, they also did use heavy weights.

    You can conclude light weights were exaggerated in order to sell fitness regimes, as you could not ship big heavy weights back then. OR modern day started to move away from this intentionally in order to sell large machines and weights for profit.

    There is not much focus on light weights today because of this, and hence little studies. Often because the movements and tension applied was difficult to understand. I am in the camp of it does work, or at least it does maintain muscle mass.

    But context of the size, most were no bigger than wrestler Christian Cage. One of the smaller wrestlers. We are just bombarded with massive roid mental shit online, the same way as we are told every guy is 6'5" online.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think of this program? I have no interest in growing my chest, I just want a broad back, big arms, and great shoulders. I cannot perform squats, lunges, or anything of that ilk due to a knee injury. Deadlifts do not affect my knees for some reason, so I can perform those.

    Current stats -
    181cm
    88kg
    28 years old
    Unemployed but have a home gym

    1 rep maxes tested over the last few months.
    50kg OHP
    70kg bench press
    100kg squat
    115kg deadlift

    Monday - Back and biceps
    Deadlift 1x5
    EZ Curl Bar bicep curl 4x5
    Barbell Pendlay row 3x8
    Preacher curl 3x12
    One armed dumbbell row 3x12

    Tuesday - Shoulders and triceps
    Barbell overhead press 3x5
    Dumbbell tricep kickback 3x12
    Dumbbell lateral raise 3x12
    Skullcrushers 3x12
    Front raises with plate 3x12

    Wednesday - Back and biceps
    EZ Bar Bicep Curl 4x5
    Deadlift 1x5
    Preacher curl 3x12
    Barbell Pendlay row 3x8
    One armed dumbbell row 3x12

    Thursday - Chest and triceps
    Incline benchpress 3x5
    Skullcrushers 3x12
    Close grip flat bench benchpress 3x12
    Dumbbell triceps extension 3x12
    Dips 3xAMRAP

    Friday - Biceps, shoulders, and back
    Overhead press 3x5
    One Armed dumbell row 3x8
    EZ Curl Bar bicep curl 4x5
    Lateral raise 3x12
    Front raises 3x12

    Saturday - go to synagogue and rest

    Sunday - Chest and triceps
    Flat bench bench press 3x5
    Incline benchpress 3x12
    Dips 3xAMRAP

    Total volume per week
    Deadlift volume - 2 sets
    Biceps - 18 sets
    Triceps - 15 sets (not counting bench)
    Shoulders - 18 sets
    Back - 15 sets (not counting deadlift)
    Chest - 12 sets (not counting dips)

    I perform the chest exercises because I do not want to develop any imbalances but I have no particular interest in growing my chest.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >synagogue

      • 3 weeks ago
        Cecelia Drakensang In Seattle

        Lol I missed that with the wall of text.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/A60LvWS.jpg

          >synagogue

          What's wrong with that?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good program though. Auschwitz mode will look appropriate on you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shit program rabbi. Do HIT instead

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Men in the 50s had about 50% more testosterone on average than men today. Look it up.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So? This a body with 236ng/dl test levels. There are people who have naturally 800-1000 test level and they look like pear anons. Testosterone has very little to do with building muscle, its mostly just about how many androgen receptors you have. Thats partly why women can build big legs despite having 20ng/dl test, because they have a lot of androgen receptors in their lower body. But its literally impossible for them to build a strong upper body.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Testosterone has very little to do with building muscle, its mostly just about how many androgen receptors you have.
        I'm learning new things everyday.
        This is going on my research list.
        Thanks for mentioning this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its bullshit. You think pro bodybuilders have absurd levels of test for no reason at all? Building muscle is about receptors AND test levels

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stop lying motherfricking homosexual you already said that you are on testosterone motherfricking b***h ass Black person

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /Pol/tier interpretation

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because you can build a decent level of muscle without steroids, the specifics of the training method aren't that consequential up to a point. Also modern "science based" bodybuilders tend to promote only what they consider "optimal", despite the fact that many ways of training will still yield results (although arguably inferior results, results nonetheless)

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's a manlet and not that jacked at all.
    I've seen 5'6 manlets get to this level within 2 years of working out.
    I don't know why you morons gush so hard over this. Granted yes, it's realistic, but at the same time, why not strive for more?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He has a ok body

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He lifted and kept lifting. That's all that matters. He ate a high protein diet too and knew to enjoy himself every once in a while.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He had access to alien technology

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