Natties can retain being natties...roided people get too big, have a bloated gut, and get sick or get messed up or have to get off and look worse than they did before working out...so it depends.
I'm not claiming that roidtroons like overkell are natty, just saying that the natties that actually look proportionate and jacked are just top 0.01% genetics and they'd be absolutely HUGE on roids.
Not necessarily. They might respond poorly like anyone else. Someone smaller might respond better to roids. It's an even smaller subset of people who are both naturally massive and respond well to gear
and homies wonder why superman just wears glasses in the u.s, you Black folk have welfared your way out of natural selection and now you're all dumb as shit
the guy on the left is a literal nobody you will find in any gym, the guy on the right has millions of followers. that's the same shit women say to virtue signal. but everyone's feed is full of these sarm goblins
>all of his friends and competition are roided to the gills >but he is natty because, well he just is!!!
trust me i'd like to believe he is natty as much as the next guy because i think positive mental attitude and having a vision of what can be achieved is more important tool than any supplement out there., right in third place after actually training and eating. but there is absolutely ZERO possibility that he is natty. Absolute ZERO and its not even up for a debate. It's not a "maybe" or "theoretically possible in 15 years of perfect lifting". It's just not possible, not even close.
That said he IS doing it right, not like Sam Sulek or these sarmBlack folk. He looks good, perfect skin, perfect hair, he was able to have sex and reproduce and seems to be again, doing it right not aging like Christian Guzman who looks 50 right about now. Probably running sport TRT+ and popping some dbols for that nice watery look.
How to get chest and arm dominant physique with roids instead of the shoulder and back dominant roidtroony look?
I just say whoever claims Natty is Natty. Seems to upset the most people.
based
nah seriously tho I don't care it just makes me cringe when people aggressively argue about being natty and make videos and posts about it. It's cringe as frick. Sulek did it right funnily enough. Just say nothing. And that's made people seethe even more somehow?
The right image looks better because it's taken with a real camera lenses, it's i sunlight, he's tanner, he's slightly bigger, and his quads are out which makes his whole physique look bigger. He's also got bad posture in left photo. Everybody on this site is a moron pajeet or spic
He's like 20-30lbs bigger on the right. Anon is moronic and trying too hard to be contrarian
>20 - 30lbs of muscle >""""slightly"""" bigger
Black person you're dumb as fricking bricks if you think 20 - 30lbs of lean mass is just "slightly" bigger.
20 - 30lbs of lean mass is years of work in the gym, you can easily see he basically doubled in size on his torso while his waist got slimmer.
he competes in natty competitions and is way bigger than anyone else there. how do you explain that he's much bigger than the others?
option A: the testing doesn't work, you can cheat - but then why is he bigger than the others?
option B: the testing works, he is natty and it's his innate talent or better methods that make him bigger.
most IST posters are in camp A. natty comps don't count because there's no reliable testing method. but then how the frick is Kellett so much bigger than 99% of natty competitors?
Because natural bodybuilding competitors are not roiding. Thats why they are in natural bodybuilding competition and not in competition where you can openly roid. They would get absolutely blown the frick out of the stage when 100% of competitors are using gear. This doesnt however mean that a roider cant be in a natty show but all natties are in natty show.
And yes being in a natural show doesnt mean that you are natty. Big lenny competed in natural and tested shows, that should tell you enough. And in case people are so much of newbies and dont know drm, lenny was on a truckload of gear OPENLY. He didnt hide it. So basically Joel is just going to natty shows as roider to mog and get easy wins. That's it, that's the "mystery".
>all of his friends and competition are roided to the gills >but he is natty because, well he just is!!!
trust me i'd like to believe he is natty as much as the next guy because i think positive mental attitude and having a vision of what can be achieved is more important tool than any supplement out there., right in third place after actually training and eating. but there is absolutely ZERO possibility that he is natty. Absolute ZERO and its not even up for a debate. It's not a "maybe" or "theoretically possible in 15 years of perfect lifting". It's just not possible, not even close.
That said he IS doing it right, not like Sam Sulek or these sarmBlack folk. He looks good, perfect skin, perfect hair, he was able to have sex and reproduce and seems to be again, doing it right not aging like Christian Guzman who looks 50 right about now. Probably running sport TRT+ and popping some dbols for that nice watery look.
>He said he's been 100% natty his whole life idk what to believe
I believe physiques before 1935
From 1935 to 1940 I believe even though testosterone was invented, but only scientists in labs had access
From 1940 to 1950 I start to question, as the general public had some access during this time, but they didn't know how to administer it properly.
From 1950 to 1960 I don't really trust, even though most are probably natural with a few certainly unnatural.
From 1960 onwards I don't trust any physique as this is when obvious steroid use officially became a thing, with the popularity of dbol in invented in the late 1950's. And most of the other steroids invented during the 1960s.
What is the natty limit guys im getting scared its all for nothing and i dont trust steroids because i loft for girls and whats the point if my junk shrinks or i become impotent???
If you want a massive roid body, you need a big personality to back it up. Imagine roiding all the way to look like the right just to be the same IST browsing sperg you've always been. What's the fricking point? You need to be larger-than-life in more than the just the physical.
Moving goal posts.
I only posted them as irrefutable natties. Reminder back then they didn't even have benches or racks. Barbells and dumbbells were also much more crude.
Any Natty who looks good that's posted (like OP pic) who's post 1900 always gets called a roider.
>overkell >natty
You're beyond moronic mate.
Also guys like Sandow looked mid when not posing in perfect conditions and with the perfect camera angle.
And the guy you just posted isn't natty either kek.
>inb4 it's the 6' 195lbs homosexual who looks like a twink when not posing
I'm not dyel, you are, as you have not posted body, and are a homosexual in general.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>desperately begs for body pics of other men >calls someone else a homosexual
kek
7 months ago
Anonymous
Didn't beg, asked once, you're mad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>still begging
Sounds like abandonment issues to me.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Abandonment
This is IST, not your therapist's office.
You post a bad angle of nh, I posted a bad angle of Conner. Big whoop, you're still a dyel gay who posts roiders and discouraged others because...? You're a gay? A fed? A fatty? Idc, like I said, not your therapy session.
Even a small Natty like pic related looks great irl, and people like you are honestly just delusional.
7 months ago
Anonymous
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>all that crying
So you're mad after all. Just calm down and take a walk, lil bro.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You wish, homosexual.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>discussion is not about him >still gets mad like an only child
kek
You're blind to bodybuilding physique if you think they are even close to his physique. He is both bigger (more muscle mass) and leaner at the same time. He would blow any of those posted out of the water with them having no chance to win.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Joel is like 190 lbs at 6'. He's all chest and biceps. And he is not leaner than NH, goerring, or pandour.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He most definitely is, they would have to lose several percent bodyfat to be on his level and more muscle mass. Maybe the black and white pics are making you believe they are similar bodyfat percentages but they really aren't. Just look at the legs for example, even you are kinda new to all this that should show even to you the difference.
7 months ago
Anonymous
NH is using a modern camera and is bigger and leaner when he's cutting.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Who is 'NH'?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Natural hypertrophy. A nafri grifter for Nietzsche
NH is a fricking Nafri grifter.
Irrelevant cope
7 months ago
ENTJ Sag
Nietzsche would've hated a bullshiter shitskin like him though.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Natural hypertrophy
Not bigger and not leaner and probably on some PED's as well while pandering to dyel natties lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said here
https://i.imgur.com/hTcjogE.jpg
Moving goal posts.
I only posted them as irrefutable natties. Reminder back then they didn't even have benches or racks. Barbells and dumbbells were also much more crude.
Any Natty who looks good that's posted (like OP pic) who's post 1900 always gets called a roider.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You posted a guy on roids, whats your point?
7 months ago
ENTJ Sag
NH is a fricking Nafri grifter.
7 months ago
Anonymous
How is he a grifter?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>naturalhypertrophy >lean
as big if not bigger
kek, you can see love handles on him whenever he turns around
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Cherry picking
7 months ago
Anonymous
homie you are the one cherrypicking
He posted 2 relaxed backs
You are posting a flexed one
7 months ago
Anonymous
One is in shade one has the sun at mid day. One is pixilated the other is focused
Dumbfrick. He looks good even unflexed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t care about your gay social media celebrities you pathetic loser but the fact is that the left guy mogs the right guy hard, no amount of cherry-picking or not changes that
7 months ago
Anonymous
homie, my whole point is that we can find pics where both look soft or shredded. Don't think I like that Nietzsche worshipping psued just because I used him as an example
7 months ago
Anonymous
One is in shade one has the sun at mid day. One is pixilated the other is focused
Dumbfrick. He looks good even unflexed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
Again, you can find pics from good and bad angles from anyone. Gently put, you are a moron.
https://i.imgur.com/aATUZSz.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/zP4PEPE.jpg
>Cherry picking
https://i.imgur.com/Z9v71DO.jpg
Didn't beg, asked once, you're mad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
homie you are the one cherrypicking
He posted 2 relaxed backs
You are posting a flexed one
One is in shade one has the sun at mid day. One is pixilated the other is focused
Dumbfrick. He looks good even unflexed.
https://i.imgur.com/aATUZSz.jpg
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I don’t care about your gay social media celebrities you pathetic loser but the fact is that the left guy mogs the right guy hard, no amount of cherry-picking or not changes that
Again, you can find pics from good and bad angles from anyone. Gently put, you are a moron.
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>muh relaxed >muh light >muh pixels >muh shade
God damn dude, just get off NH's nuts and stop coping, it's embarrassing at this point.
The guy looks okay in his basement, but the moment he stepped outside to make a vid, he looks like someone's 40 year old pudgy millennial father.
I mean the guy can barely do a frickin bodyweight pull up lmao and he doesn't even go hard in his workouts kek.
7 months ago
Anonymous
people look to this dysgenic man for bodybuilding advice. not only is his physique mid it's also literally lopsided, massive ugly biceps with no visible tricep, flat sloped shoulders exagerated by the massive traps, this is literally something he did to himself willingly
7 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair, he's been doing a meme routine so he can look like an anime character. At least he's our kind of schizo.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, it's not fair. Guts is clearly the exact opposite of what this swarthy moron is doing. Also ironic since he made a video that someone spammed here "you're not Guts", this guy has no self awareness
7 months ago
Anonymous
He's not trying to be Guts though. He's trying to be that twink homosexual from jujutsu kaisen. He should go on a cut soon though, we need to see if it worked.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you have no idea what you're talking about
7 months ago
Anonymous
post body
7 months ago
Anonymous
>so he can look like an anime character
Does "looking like an anime character" involve barely being able to do basic bodyweight movements and having the strength of a toddler?
Because from the training vids of his that I watched I get the impression that he does lifting because his local bingo hall didn't have open spots.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not even roiding and yet he got that roid gut. What went wrong?
7 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/2A68qdD.jpg
>naturalhypertrophy >lean
as big if not bigger
kek, you can see love handles on him whenever he turns around
He most definitely is, they would have to lose several percent bodyfat to be on his level and more muscle mass. Maybe the black and white pics are making you believe they are similar bodyfat percentages but they really aren't. Just look at the legs for example, even you are kinda new to all this that should show even to you the difference.
This, just look at their midsections and their physiques in RARE (I wonder why) candid or imperfect shots like pic rel.
It was rare for old time strongmen to be actually as lean as the guys nowadays. You literally just can't achieve a roid physique natty, not today and not a hundred years ago.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Again, this is moronic, as roiders also have to use angles and lighting to not look smooth.
https://i.imgur.com/Tjnvu1x.gif
Cope, roiders use angles and shit too.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>roiders also have to use angles and lighting to not look smooth
Black person I got about 100 examples of you being wrong lmao.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Deadlifting a woman isn't flexing
I never said roiders can't look good. I just posted pics proving naturals can look impressive. You can furiously post more pics of tiny nuts big pharma pay piggies if you want though, idgaf.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>posting another old time dyel
kek
7 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/OxlE6do.jpg
>muh deadlift
lole
>idgaf
seething
Enough of this shit. Post body, b***h. Or are you gonna let a little Natty like me mog the frick out of you?
7 months ago
Anonymous
woah, cute breasts anon
7 months ago
Anonymous
>first year of lifting >delusional
Yeah sounds about right.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Still look better than you though 😐
7 months ago
Anonymous
god i fricking hate you dyels, the guy literally has never even lifted a weight. there's a new batch of you homosexuals every summer
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lol so you a Natty who never lifts weights is bigger than you xD
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not involved in this thread at all and have no point of reference on the argument you're having.
I just came here to tell you to shave that ugly ass beard. Tidying it won't help. It's still too patchy to grow out. Give it another few years and try again.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Already married, don't care
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're like 5'5 bro
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kek, good joke anon, got a chuckle from me.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're like 5'5 bro
I guess you just got mogged by a Natty manlet who doesn't even lift. Sad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>manlet >fat >mog
Kek, aren't you too young for dementia, anon?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Thats about what I would look like if I had your body fat.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>muh deadlift
lole
>idgaf
seething
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you not understand the premise of these videos
7 months ago
Anonymous
>muh premise
I accept your concession.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ancient statues aren't based on ANYTHING, AMIRITE?
7 months ago
Anonymous
They often show over exaggerated ideals, and Michelangelo isn't 'big' by any means.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He's 17 feet tall.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're not?
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's David you moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He was tall enough to paint the top of the Sistene wasn’t he?
What is the appeal of claiming natty while on cycle? I personally just tell people if they ask, because to me it seems obvious and I don’t want to mislead people about what’s possible natty. Genuine question not trying to be a dickhead or anything.
Not him but I just placed my first order. I will claim natty to everyone. Why? I have been training for 13 years. When some first year lifter comes and ask if Im natty or not I'm not gonna say I roid and make him think that the only difference between me and him is the gear.
We are not the same. I paid my dues for 13 years. I have been inside the gym for approx 3000 times.
I'm not claiming that roidtroons like overkell are natty, just saying that the natties that actually look proportionate and jacked are just top 0.01% genetics and they'd be absolutely HUGE on roids.
Nah he just runs some form of deca and anavar cycle. Deca can give you that great skin quality that makes you look natty. Tren will just frick you up in the head, ruin your skin and make you look like a moronic Meathead.
People have just forgotten how good golden era deca heavy cycles are.
you cant post natties with good pump and lighting because, well you just cant!
you must post natties slouched up, under flat lighting and no shadows
none of you are GMI
I feel sorry for guys who train hard, shoot some roids but keep it low key and don't try to mislead people, but they have all these moronic DYELs on the internet vicariously hailing them as natty heroes. Either they have to implicate themselves in illegal drug use or they get an unearned status as fake natties. I actually hate DYELs obsessed with "natty or not" more than the roiders themselves
>DUDE if you don't look like world famous roided out body builders you should quit the gym and have a nice day >DUDE all that matters is looking as young and huge as possible forever you will never get old so dont worry about consequences just blast roids from the age of 16 onwards or you'll get MOGGED by BIG MUSCULAR ROIDCHADS LOLOLOLOL >DUDE it's IMPOSSIBLE to look remotely good or muscular without steroids just give up already
I don't really get it. I think most of the images in this thread look impressive.
Roider or not I think if you work out you'll look good. Why start this b***hfight all the time?
homie, my whole point is that we can find pics where both look soft or shredded. Don't think I like that Nietzsche worshipping psued just because I used him as an example
https://i.imgur.com/bmxht84.jpg
>Deadlifting a woman isn't flexing
I never said roiders can't look good. I just posted pics proving naturals can look impressive. You can furiously post more pics of tiny nuts big pharma pay piggies if you want though, idgaf.
Again, you can find pics from good and bad angles from anyone. Gently put, you are a moron.
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Left is literally all you need to catch miring sloots at the beach. You know what is more impressive than looking jacked wearing clothes? Wearing a fricking suit
dont get me wrong he looks good for a 17yo, can only imagine how much he mogs kids his age but if you dont think this is achievable in 2 years you are 1. fricking moron beginner who has lifted sub 2 year so you dont have a voice and you shouldnt even be thinking about natty or nots just lift you fricking idiot or 2. if you have lifted LONGER than this and still look worse just fricking give it up already you are LITERALLY never going to make it.
Natties will never look impressive
Natties can retain being natties...roided people get too big, have a bloated gut, and get sick or get messed up or have to get off and look worse than they did before working out...so it depends.
Natties will never look impressive
Not necessarily. They might respond poorly like anyone else. Someone smaller might respond better to roids. It's an even smaller subset of people who are both naturally massive and respond well to gear
>I found this e-celery with god blessed genetics and because of that I must scream to the world that all natties can make it
Natties will never look impressive
>e-celery
I did a funny
Looking impressive is gay. I just want to be healthy.
Indeed
cringe
might as well start dancing you little b***h boy
baste
Marinate
Natties will never look impressive
Natties will never look impressive
The guy on the left looks better than the guy on the right.
You're a clown.
Also, maybe if the guy did more than pushups, crunches, and bicep curls he'd have a halfway decent body. Dude has no lats or shoulders at all.
He does and he would attract more pussy and less dick that the guy on the right.
left looks ok, not bad, but come on.. lay off the copium
Its the same guy you faceblind spergBlack person
No its not. The left is a boy with all Gods gifts open to him. The right is a homosexual that juiced and through it all away.
and homies wonder why superman just wears glasses in the u.s, you Black folk have welfared your way out of natural selection and now you're all dumb as shit
You get the point you pedantic Black person
fact
the guy on the left is a literal nobody you will find in any gym, the guy on the right has millions of followers. that's the same shit women say to virtue signal. but everyone's feed is full of these sarm goblins
If I wanted to learn how about to get morbidly obese I would look for a youtube channel featuring a 600 pound woman. Doesn't mean she looks good.
false equivalence, people look up to the roiders. if your feed is full of obese women you're the outlier
No one looks up to those trannies. They use them as an example of how to lift not how they themselves want to look.
if that were the case they wouldn't have millions of followers
>if that were the case they wouldn't have millions of followers
cope, what can i say
>Theres not millions of people out there lifting
Thats right, that 24 hour fitness down the street form you is the only one that exists anywhere in the world.
clearly you're mentally ill and can't follow what the reply chain is about
and 99% of those followers are DUDES
sure go ahead and look at his ig follower list, i'd bet it's much closer to a 50:50 split than a 1:99 like you copers would like to think
That's why you take your body dysmophoria in a fresh new direction.
Women like the one on the left more
Him on the right is a supposed natty lifter. All Steve reeves looked amazing
Right is just better lighting and he's possibly oiled up you guys are all moronic
yeah bro natty as frick all the guys at my commercial look like this
How to get chest and arm dominant physique with roids instead of the shoulder and back dominant roidtroony look?
>skip shoulders
>spam high to low cable chest press instead of bench
>8 hour arm day tier arm spamming
Arnold didn't skip shoulders. Was it the primo and a moderate test dose?
You are not Arnold
based
nah seriously tho I don't care it just makes me cringe when people aggressively argue about being natty and make videos and posts about it. It's cringe as frick. Sulek did it right funnily enough. Just say nothing. And that's made people seethe even more somehow?
He clearly has 20-30 pounds on the guy on the left dumbass
they would if steroids were never invented !
The right image looks better because it's taken with a real camera lenses, it's i sunlight, he's tanner, he's slightly bigger, and his quads are out which makes his whole physique look bigger. He's also got bad posture in left photo. Everybody on this site is a moron pajeet or spic
i think slighty bigger might be an understatement lmaoooo
He's like 20-30lbs bigger on the right. Anon is moronic and trying too hard to be contrarian
I think it’s twice that. I’d like to know what it really is
>20 - 30lbs of muscle
>""""slightly"""" bigger
Black person you're dumb as fricking bricks if you think 20 - 30lbs of lean mass is just "slightly" bigger.
20 - 30lbs of lean mass is years of work in the gym, you can easily see he basically doubled in size on his torso while his waist got slimmer.
>slightly bigger
Joel isn't natty
he competes in natty competitions and is way bigger than anyone else there. how do you explain that he's much bigger than the others?
option A: the testing doesn't work, you can cheat - but then why is he bigger than the others?
option B: the testing works, he is natty and it's his innate talent or better methods that make him bigger.
most IST posters are in camp A. natty comps don't count because there's no reliable testing method. but then how the frick is Kellett so much bigger than 99% of natty competitors?
Because natural bodybuilding competitors are not roiding. Thats why they are in natural bodybuilding competition and not in competition where you can openly roid. They would get absolutely blown the frick out of the stage when 100% of competitors are using gear. This doesnt however mean that a roider cant be in a natty show but all natties are in natty show.
And yes being in a natural show doesnt mean that you are natty. Big lenny competed in natural and tested shows, that should tell you enough. And in case people are so much of newbies and dont know drm, lenny was on a truckload of gear OPENLY. He didnt hide it. So basically Joel is just going to natty shows as roider to mog and get easy wins. That's it, that's the "mystery".
He said he's been 100% natty his whole life idk what to believe
>all of his friends and competition are roided to the gills
>but he is natty because, well he just is!!!
trust me i'd like to believe he is natty as much as the next guy because i think positive mental attitude and having a vision of what can be achieved is more important tool than any supplement out there., right in third place after actually training and eating. but there is absolutely ZERO possibility that he is natty. Absolute ZERO and its not even up for a debate. It's not a "maybe" or "theoretically possible in 15 years of perfect lifting". It's just not possible, not even close.
That said he IS doing it right, not like Sam Sulek or these sarmBlack folk. He looks good, perfect skin, perfect hair, he was able to have sex and reproduce and seems to be again, doing it right not aging like Christian Guzman who looks 50 right about now. Probably running sport TRT+ and popping some dbols for that nice watery look.
5'6" at best
this
anyone who makes money off their physique is almost always going to be on
just how it is
chest and big arms kills aesthetics
sounds like cope
>He said he's been 100% natty his whole life idk what to believe
I believe physiques before 1935
From 1935 to 1940 I believe even though testosterone was invented, but only scientists in labs had access
From 1940 to 1950 I start to question, as the general public had some access during this time, but they didn't know how to administer it properly.
From 1950 to 1960 I don't really trust, even though most are probably natural with a few certainly unnatural.
From 1960 onwards I don't trust any physique as this is when obvious steroid use officially became a thing, with the popularity of dbol in invented in the late 1950's. And most of the other steroids invented during the 1960s.
Natties will never look impressive
He looks really good on the left. I would really like a body like that.
On the right he looks like a moronic clown.
It's not the same person moron
You're the moron. They're both pictures of Joel Kellet
yeah but roids changed his DNA
I will look like right natty in 1 years time and will post here and btfo you naysayers, mark my words.
Only homosexuals who have never completed in higher level athletics and never spent time around actually impressive individuals could believe this.
What is the natty limit guys im getting scared its all for nothing and i dont trust steroids because i loft for girls and whats the point if my junk shrinks or i become impotent???
the left is unironic natty max. im not 100% sure how long it was between that transformation but he has trained for 13 years and he is 30 now.
so in the lift pic he had probably already been training 5+ years.
Whats the fricking point then? Just gonna kpop max i guess
Ecto Meso Endo
Wrist 7.0 7.5 8.0
Ankle: 9 10 11
Neck-max 15 17.5 20
FFMI natural limit 24 26 28
https://ffmicalculator.org/
my wrist is 6.5 ankle 8 and neck 15.25
Damn that's thin. Your FFMi limit is probably around 22 - 23 which is still a decent swimmer build that girls like. What did you eat growing up?
probably didnt eat enough. im 5'7
Physically you're fricked. But you can still make it if you make massive psychological gains.
>unironic natty max
>
>5 foot flat
I have approximately as much mass as this guy except I'm nowhere near that shredded. is this really the natty limit?
You won't become impotent and there is a simple alternative solution to pinning test if you just want to be doing cycles
The alternative is to give up. Frick you. WAGMI
If you want a massive roid body, you need a big personality to back it up. Imagine roiding all the way to look like the right just to be the same IST browsing sperg you've always been. What's the fricking point? You need to be larger-than-life in more than the just the physical.
>5'7
>5'2
>5'6
>5'7
they're basically toy soldiers lmao
This german homie was 6'1
are you sure? his proportions look short as hell.
Not relevant
People in general were shorter back then. 5'7" then is probably the equivalent of 6'0" now.
that is a literal midget
a
The guy on the left looks much better.
he looks like a fussy twink.
right looks like a movie star. way more gravitas.
Reminder, you had to go to a circus freakshow to see men like this.
Moving goal posts.
I only posted them as irrefutable natties. Reminder back then they didn't even have benches or racks. Barbells and dumbbells were also much more crude.
Any Natty who looks good that's posted (like OP pic) who's post 1900 always gets called a roider.
>overkell
>natty
You're beyond moronic mate.
Also guys like Sandow looked mid when not posing in perfect conditions and with the perfect camera angle.
And the guy you just posted isn't natty either kek.
>inb4 it's the 6' 195lbs homosexual who looks like a twink when not posing
Cope, roiders use angles and shit too.
>Cope, roiders use angles and shit too.
Okay calm down Napoleon.
>Calm down
Stop projecting. Do you use roids? If so, what do you look like?
It's alright lil guy, just keep breathing.
>No body posted
Calm down fat guy
>*angry dyel noises*
Shhhh, daddy's here, don't cry.
Projecting again.
>dyel fragility
I'm not dyel, you are, as you have not posted body, and are a homosexual in general.
>desperately begs for body pics of other men
>calls someone else a homosexual
kek
Didn't beg, asked once, you're mad.
>still begging
Sounds like abandonment issues to me.
>Abandonment
This is IST, not your therapist's office.
You post a bad angle of nh, I posted a bad angle of Conner. Big whoop, you're still a dyel gay who posts roiders and discouraged others because...? You're a gay? A fed? A fatty? Idc, like I said, not your therapy session.
Even a small Natty like pic related looks great irl, and people like you are honestly just delusional.
>all that crying
So you're mad after all. Just calm down and take a walk, lil bro.
You wish, homosexual.
>discussion is not about him
>still gets mad like an only child
kek
You draw excellent feet.
post body
Whats the point of posting these? They are much shorter and nowhere near the size the guy in OP's post is.
Gustav and a few of the others were 6+
And nowhere near the size of OP's guy.
?
They are clearly as big if not bigger.
You're blind to bodybuilding physique if you think they are even close to his physique. He is both bigger (more muscle mass) and leaner at the same time. He would blow any of those posted out of the water with them having no chance to win.
Joel is like 190 lbs at 6'. He's all chest and biceps. And he is not leaner than NH, goerring, or pandour.
He most definitely is, they would have to lose several percent bodyfat to be on his level and more muscle mass. Maybe the black and white pics are making you believe they are similar bodyfat percentages but they really aren't. Just look at the legs for example, even you are kinda new to all this that should show even to you the difference.
NH is using a modern camera and is bigger and leaner when he's cutting.
Who is 'NH'?
Natural hypertrophy. A nafri grifter for Nietzsche
Irrelevant cope
Nietzsche would've hated a bullshiter shitskin like him though.
>Natural hypertrophy
Not bigger and not leaner and probably on some PED's as well while pandering to dyel natties lmao
Like I said here
You posted a guy on roids, whats your point?
NH is a fricking Nafri grifter.
How is he a grifter?
>naturalhypertrophy
>lean
as big if not bigger
kek, you can see love handles on him whenever he turns around
>Cherry picking
homie you are the one cherrypicking
He posted 2 relaxed backs
You are posting a flexed one
One is in shade one has the sun at mid day. One is pixilated the other is focused
Dumbfrick. He looks good even unflexed.
I don’t care about your gay social media celebrities you pathetic loser but the fact is that the left guy mogs the right guy hard, no amount of cherry-picking or not changes that
homie, my whole point is that we can find pics where both look soft or shredded. Don't think I like that Nietzsche worshipping psued just because I used him as an example
Again, you can find pics from good and bad angles from anyone. Gently put, you are a moron.
>muh relaxed
>muh light
>muh pixels
>muh shade
God damn dude, just get off NH's nuts and stop coping, it's embarrassing at this point.
The guy looks okay in his basement, but the moment he stepped outside to make a vid, he looks like someone's 40 year old pudgy millennial father.
I mean the guy can barely do a frickin bodyweight pull up lmao and he doesn't even go hard in his workouts kek.
people look to this dysgenic man for bodybuilding advice. not only is his physique mid it's also literally lopsided, massive ugly biceps with no visible tricep, flat sloped shoulders exagerated by the massive traps, this is literally something he did to himself willingly
To be fair, he's been doing a meme routine so he can look like an anime character. At least he's our kind of schizo.
No, it's not fair. Guts is clearly the exact opposite of what this swarthy moron is doing. Also ironic since he made a video that someone spammed here "you're not Guts", this guy has no self awareness
He's not trying to be Guts though. He's trying to be that twink homosexual from jujutsu kaisen. He should go on a cut soon though, we need to see if it worked.
you have no idea what you're talking about
post body
>so he can look like an anime character
Does "looking like an anime character" involve barely being able to do basic bodyweight movements and having the strength of a toddler?
Because from the training vids of his that I watched I get the impression that he does lifting because his local bingo hall didn't have open spots.
Not even roiding and yet he got that roid gut. What went wrong?
This, just look at their midsections and their physiques in RARE (I wonder why) candid or imperfect shots like pic rel.
It was rare for old time strongmen to be actually as lean as the guys nowadays. You literally just can't achieve a roid physique natty, not today and not a hundred years ago.
Again, this is moronic, as roiders also have to use angles and lighting to not look smooth.
>roiders also have to use angles and lighting to not look smooth
Black person I got about 100 examples of you being wrong lmao.
>Deadlifting a woman isn't flexing
I never said roiders can't look good. I just posted pics proving naturals can look impressive. You can furiously post more pics of tiny nuts big pharma pay piggies if you want though, idgaf.
>posting another old time dyel
kek
Enough of this shit. Post body, b***h. Or are you gonna let a little Natty like me mog the frick out of you?
woah, cute breasts anon
>first year of lifting
>delusional
Yeah sounds about right.
Still look better than you though 😐
god i fricking hate you dyels, the guy literally has never even lifted a weight. there's a new batch of you homosexuals every summer
Lol so you a Natty who never lifts weights is bigger than you xD
I'm not involved in this thread at all and have no point of reference on the argument you're having.
I just came here to tell you to shave that ugly ass beard. Tidying it won't help. It's still too patchy to grow out. Give it another few years and try again.
Already married, don't care
You're like 5'5 bro
Kek, good joke anon, got a chuckle from me.
I guess you just got mogged by a Natty manlet who doesn't even lift. Sad.
>manlet
>fat
>mog
Kek, aren't you too young for dementia, anon?
Thats about what I would look like if I had your body fat.
>muh deadlift
lole
>idgaf
seething
Do you not understand the premise of these videos
>muh premise
I accept your concession.
Ancient statues aren't based on ANYTHING, AMIRITE?
They often show over exaggerated ideals, and Michelangelo isn't 'big' by any means.
He's 17 feet tall.
You're not?
It's David you moron.
He was tall enough to paint the top of the Sistene wasn’t he?
>le ancient depictions
Gustav Fristensky was 6'1" or something like that. Also not a bodybuilder/strongman. Just a greco roman fighter.
Exactly. Wasn't even trying to look big and shredded, just was. These roiders are coping for their shitty choices.
>imagine being so dyel that this is impressive to you.
He looks good on the left, though. Really good insertions.
that explains why he looks so shit. his frame is abyssmal
Left is better than right and 90% of women would agree
>Impressive
Whom are you trying to impress and why?
will never look impre..
I look great though
5 years of working out
you're below average for untrained men
Dis homie shaves his chest for other men to stare at
>this is what natties actually believe
>Forearms bigger than calves
Lol
>what is perspective
>Admitting to angle frauding
hunchback of notre dame vibes
We should encourage roiders to take even more gear so they drop dead more quickly.
fricking dyel lmao. start working out already.
What are your lifts, be honest
160/125/200
kgs of course
I would roid myself up if it's frickin sustainable. Eventually you will burn out and crash.
It truly is like being at a casino winning every hand, every spin on a slot. But being unable to take your money home.
Wasn’t the guy on the right the left dudes grandpa or something?
Some people ITT actually think right is natty made me realize even you guys who spend hours looking at roided bodies are stupid as normies
Which is based because I can keep comfortably claiming natty while being 6’0 220lbs shredded mogging 99.999999% of humanity
What is the appeal of claiming natty while on cycle? I personally just tell people if they ask, because to me it seems obvious and I don’t want to mislead people about what’s possible natty. Genuine question not trying to be a dickhead or anything.
Not him but I just placed my first order. I will claim natty to everyone. Why? I have been training for 13 years. When some first year lifter comes and ask if Im natty or not I'm not gonna say I roid and make him think that the only difference between me and him is the gear.
We are not the same. I paid my dues for 13 years. I have been inside the gym for approx 3000 times.
it implies natural prowess
>another thread full of delusional natties posting 1-in-a-million genetic outliers
>another delusional dyel thinking your average roidgay is a natty with just really good genetics
I'm not claiming that roidtroons like overkell are natty, just saying that the natties that actually look proportionate and jacked are just top 0.01% genetics and they'd be absolutely HUGE on roids.
You have body dysmorphia; Left is objectively the more aesthetic body.
Nah he just runs some form of deca and anavar cycle. Deca can give you that great skin quality that makes you look natty. Tren will just frick you up in the head, ruin your skin and make you look like a moronic Meathead.
People have just forgotten how good golden era deca heavy cycles are.
There are impressive natties, there are impreive roid-trannies.
left mogs like 95% of the population, honestly a good goal for natties
you cant post natties with good pump and lighting because, well you just cant!
you must post natties slouched up, under flat lighting and no shadows
none of you are GMI
I feel sorry for guys who train hard, shoot some roids but keep it low key and don't try to mislead people, but they have all these moronic DYELs on the internet vicariously hailing them as natty heroes. Either they have to implicate themselves in illegal drug use or they get an unearned status as fake natties. I actually hate DYELs obsessed with "natty or not" more than the roiders themselves
I just say whoever claims Natty is Natty. Seems to upset the most people.
>shoot some roids
>keep it low key
>unearned status as fake natties
I’m impressed and sexually aroused by left in OPs pic. Major chiseled nerd face look, big lady boner
Left: Built for women
Right: Built for men
>Left: Built for women
>Right: Built for BBC
Say that to my face and not online
>DUDE if you don't look like world famous roided out body builders you should quit the gym and have a nice day
>DUDE all that matters is looking as young and huge as possible forever you will never get old so dont worry about consequences just blast roids from the age of 16 onwards or you'll get MOGGED by BIG MUSCULAR ROIDCHADS LOLOLOLOL
>DUDE it's IMPOSSIBLE to look remotely good or muscular without steroids just give up already
Natties will never look impressive
Do natties really delude themselves into thinking their favorite eceleb or circus freak from the 1890's looks as good as fake natties nowadays?
I don't think Hagen is even a fake natty or even claims to be one. If he has, I have never seen it.
if your only worry is "do i look impressive to other people" I think you have problems with your self image and confidence
>IST deeply closeted "straight" guys
yeah, only thing a natty can be is strong and semi big with some fat. bodybuilding natty is a complete waste of time
>left
crushes the freshest arthoe pussy on the regular
>right
takes it up the bum
I don't really get it. I think most of the images in this thread look impressive.
Roider or not I think if you work out you'll look good. Why start this b***hfight all the time?
That's what I was saying here
yeah but you're dyel so your opinion doesn't matter
Left is literally all you need to catch miring sloots at the beach. You know what is more impressive than looking jacked wearing clothes? Wearing a fricking suit
Is this a natty body or not?
dont get me wrong he looks good for a 17yo, can only imagine how much he mogs kids his age but if you dont think this is achievable in 2 years you are 1. fricking moron beginner who has lifted sub 2 year so you dont have a voice and you shouldnt even be thinking about natty or nots just lift you fricking idiot or 2. if you have lifted LONGER than this and still look worse just fricking give it up already you are LITERALLY never going to make it.