he already said it right here you blind mongoloid spazz moronic chimp
You can get cold pressed rapeseed oil it's when you want to extract more than this level that you need chemical extraction from the extrusion cake with stuff like hexane
but the real problem with seed oils is they're very high in omega 6 fatty acids and the wrong type of omega 3s which cause biochemical problems for your cells and mitochindria
To get butter, you mash up milkfat until it's butter.
To get olive oil, you mash up olives until the oil seperates out.
To get canola oil, you mash up vegetable waste until its oil, but then it's super toxic, so you clean it with industrial solvents, then it is a black tar-like slime that no one would eat, so they bleach it until its clear, then perfume it so it smells nice.
Even if seed oils were objectively as healthy as butter or olive oil, I wouldn't eat them just because they're fricking gross.
That olive oil looks like shit
Don't buy your olive oil in plastic bottles. Tin casing or frosted glass is the recipients in which quality olive oil are put.
ironically the olive oil you posted is most likely refined sneed oil or at least cut with refined oil
cold pressed olive oil is much darker and greener
also it's never stored in transparent containers because light spoils it
Not necessarily true, many small manufacturers rely on customers not being total fricktards and not leaving oil in broad sunlight. Just bought '23 harvest oil from Greece and it comes in clear glass
leftover industrial processing cleaning agents, some hydrocarbon shit
https://i.imgur.com/SBpLZJA.png
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Why are you shill homosexuals so dishonest? All oils using the hexane process have 0, literally 0, hexane left in them by the nature of the process itself. The chemical process is quite simple even for your peabrains.
Here is a ONE MINUTE VIDEO so your zoomer-tier minds can wrap your head around it.
>le naturalistic all natural nature fallacy
If you think chemical = bad you should get off your chair, throw your phone away, and go into the woods. Dumbass Black person.
I've never mentioned any dichotomy of the sort and your short fused, spastic reaction proves your inability to hold a proper conversation. Go swing from a tree branch you overweight ape
>chemical bad >wait no i didn't say chemical bad!
You are an ape, a fraud, and a moron. You have no logic to stand on; you backpedal when asked about your logic. Dumb frick.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I was not among the three posters you replied to, shit for brains
I'm not shilling anything. I'm saying, I refuse to eat seed oils because I've seen how they're made, and it grosses me the frick out, simple as.
I've seen people make butter, it looks good to me.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of any health benefits or risks of either butter or seed oil. I just won't eat seed oils. Butter and olive oil only. If you're this upset by me saying that, you may need to rethink your life.
You can get cold pressed rapeseed oil it's when you want to extract more than this level that you need chemical extraction from the extrusion cake with stuff like hexane
but the real problem with seed oils is they're very high in omega 6 fatty acids and the wrong type of omega 3s which cause biochemical problems for your cells and mitochindria
yeah.. except not canola. it disproves all the moronic shit sneed oilers complain about. >muh 1:4 ratio
two teaspoons (10 mL) of canola oil
Linoleic Fatty Acid (Omega-6): 1.5 g
Alpha-Linolenic Fatty Acid (Omega-3): 0.6 g >olive oil is the only healthy oil
the healthy aspect of olive comes from the monounsaturated fat. guess what homosexuals? 2tsp has 6g of it. >muh solvents
cold press it then, pussy. fricking have a nice day canola is goated and haters are homosexual.
>Alpha-Linolenic Fatty Acid (Omega-3 [precursor]): 0.6 g
When you account for the conversion factor of 5% for the precursor ALA into Omega 3, it's more like 0.03g of EPA or DHA. The ratio, n6:n3, is then more like 50:1. The n6:n3 ratio only applies when it's actually n3 (EPA and DHA) and not a precursor. >>muh 1:4 ratio
1:1 is the recommended ideal with values allowed ranging between 4:1 and 1:4. >cold press it then
You need a large variety of solvents and such for any seed oils regardless of whether or not it's cold pressed.
You can get cold pressed rapeseed oil it's when you want to extract more than this level that you need chemical extraction from the extrusion cake with stuff like hexane
but the real problem with seed oils is they're very high in omega 6 fatty acids and the wrong type of omega 3s which cause biochemical problems for your cells and mitochindria
>wrong type of omega 3s
It's not even omega 3. It's a precursor which your body can convert into a small amount of omega 3. Omega 3 comes in two forms: eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid. At best, most people will getting about 5% of the mass in terms of omega 3. The only reliable sources of omega 3 are fatty fish, dairy, animal fats and meats. Eggs can have a good amount of omega 3 depending on the diet of the chickens, ducks, etc.
Ignore all the søyentific mumbo-jumbo. It really is more simple to understand:
Vegetable oils, when they're heated up, crystallize and their molecular structure changes to one very similar to plastic. They're essentially liquid plastic you're boiling your food in.
They harden up and become a sort of resin that your body has no use for and doesn't know what to do with. Unlike ruminants and other herbivores, our body temperature is not high enough to be able to handle them.
As they travel through your blood vessels, they shred everything they're in contact with, and that's why they cause so much inflammation.
So these hard resins end up stored in the walls of your arteries, building up plaque, until they eventually clog up and kill you.
Artheriosclerosis (hardened blood vessels) is also caused by these sneed oil resins.
Vegan shills and carbtards have been brainwashed into blaming meat and eggs by the food processing industry because sneed oils are a key ingredient in pretty much everything that's processed.
Once your body stores these resins, it can take many years to dissolve and get rid of them, so you should stop consuming all of them immediately.
You can accelerate their removal by taking hot baths at 41C max (105F) for 60–90 minutes, 3–4 times a week.
Your body also works to break them down when you get sick and have a fever. Getting a cold or flu is great, it's like your body's maintenance cycle.
Tumors and cancers also shrink or disappear after colds or flus like 80% of the time. So you should look forward to getting one. They are only dangerous if you're underweight.
>fitness board is not the most keen on carbs
Fricking shocker, I know. I have been called ketoschizo for telling people to limit their simple carb consumption when trying to lose weight (because their calorie to nutrition ratio is bad) despite eating oats, bread, rice or pasta daily myself. Another time I had that castrated chimp lecture me on the diet that my people have been eating for thousands of years. Diet discussion on this board is completely fricking ruined and the mods turn a blind eye
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ketoschizo is term used by combative roidtrannies to strawman. I was intentionally hypocritical in that sentence.
Keto >Eat way more vegetables >Eat more chicken, fish, eggs, and lean beef >Try organ meat >Don't eat baked goods or cereals >Don't eat processed sugars
The only shit part of this diet is the absence of fruit. But these deluded degenerates think it's 500g Bacon plus Buttered Coffee every morning.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The sugar in fruit is chemically identical to the sugar in high fructose corn syrup. What makes the fruit healthy? Antioxidants that your body literally can’t use no matter how many marketing dollars tells you it’s good? A measly amount of fiber which is contraindicated in the human diet even though the people who sell you fiber supplements say you need it? A tiny bit of vitamin C? Vitamin C competes with glucose for uptake, if you don’t eat glucose then you don’t need to worry about getting more vitamin C because you readily absorb it. And you’re not even right, every keto thing tells you that most berries are fine, just don’t eat pounds of them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The fiber reduces the absorbance, the antioxidants that comes with it, and the fact that the fructose in fruits is way lower in dosage than in any processed food. The Fructose in fruits arent for you. Theyre for your gut bacteria to thrive and help your immune system get stronger with the added biodiversity. The glucose associated with the fructose in the sucrose molecule, is for you and your brain to process and use. Fructose is a mitochondrial toxin and hepatotoxin; It makes your liver fat; We literally have a term called fatty liver disease to describe long term alcohol poisoning
3 months ago
Anonymous
>What makes the fruit healthy?
the fact that it's bound up with fibre to restrict its absorbtion rate
all the rest of your post is cope because fruit juices are pretty much just as toxic as sugar water
3 months ago
Anonymous
what bout with pulp
3 months ago
Anonymous
There are tons of compounds - phytonutrients, anthocyanins, flavonoids, and other shit that isnt yet fully understood - which makes it good for you. Some cursory research would present to you that Blueberry is one of the healthy foods despite being mostly fructose.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You can eat some blackberries, raspberries, or strawberries on keto. Just don't overdo it.
according to hyperlipid saturated fats have a cellular mechanism that triggers a satiety signal due to the ratio of NADH to FADH2, because polyunsaturated fatty acids have double bonds they produce a lower ratio that isn't enough to trigger the satiety signal
All I know is that the same men who created Crisco are the exact same men who created the American Heart Association. William Proctor and James Gamble of the now huge corporation Proctor and Gamble. Once Crisco got popular, there was a huge spike in heart attacks and heart disease in America, so they tricked everyone into thinking it was still healthy somehow with that move. The appeal to authority fallacy works so well. Heart disease was exceedingly rare in America prior to the popularization of Crisco. That shit is literally lamp oil and was used to make candles too. That was its sole purpose. No one should be cooking with it. Imagine making a fried egg using motor oil or something. Same level. When you look at the ingredients list of it throughout the time it's been on the market its always been made of vegetable oils and glycerin. They've been horrible for people since day one and they haven't gotten any better since.
Just one of those things buried to history by companies and corporations quietly sweeping it under the rug. Kind of like how the fruit company Chiquita overthrew entire governments in South America just to turn them into banana plantations.
All I know is that the same men who created Crisco are the exact same men who created the American Heart Association. William Proctor and James Gamble of the now huge corporation Proctor and Gamble. Once Crisco got popular, there was a huge spike in heart attacks and heart disease in America, so they tricked everyone into thinking it was still healthy somehow with that move. The appeal to authority fallacy works so well. Heart disease was exceedingly rare in America prior to the popularization of Crisco. That shit is literally lamp oil and was used to make candles too. That was its sole purpose. No one should be cooking with it. Imagine making a fried egg using motor oil or something. Same level. When you look at the ingredients list of it throughout the time it's been on the market its always been made of vegetable oils and glycerin. They've been horrible for people since day one and they haven't gotten any better since.
Proctor and Gamble had nothing to do with the founding of AHA, as far as I was able to find
If we're talking about paying AHA off to promote their product, that's a matter of course >lamp oil...used to make candles
Not a great argument, I'm pretty sure virtually any oil can be sued for those purposes > vegetable oils and glycerin
Both are perfectly edible though?
You are what you eat so why eat shit? A small amount of seed oil in your diet won't harm you the same way a small amount of heavy metals in your diet won't harm you.
Just like sneed oils the effect of heavy metals is cumulative and your body needs time and a chance to chelate and heal.
But you've yet to present any argument as for why they would be bad for you in the first place
I don't use them simply because olive oil has a better EFA ratio, but that's all I'm aware of. I've yet to see any other convincing argument for why they'd be bad
3 months ago
Anonymous
Olive oil is still high in omega 6
https://i.imgur.com/aIhh7rw.jpg
Seed oils are high in omega 6 fatty acids.
These fats cause inflammation.
Eating them all the time means that you are chronically inflamed.
Insulin has anti-inflammatory effects, so your insulin is elevated to combat the inflammation.
Chronically elevated insulin leads to insulin resistance.
Insulin resistance makes you fat.
3 months ago
Anonymous
they're bad because they've never existed in nature in the amounts and forms we currently eat them and due to the chemical processing they undergo. the linoleic fatty acid content of the fat of animals eating their natural diet and of breast milk (both human and animal) is very low. polyunsaturated fat is multiple orders of magnitude more unstable against oxidation than saturated fat, and exerts many long term deleterious effects in the body. if you want to learn more about that, you can look up linoleic acid on pubmed, watch some videos from low-carb down under on youtube, or /r/saturatedfat, or read some articles by ray peat like: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
to be clear, eating some nuts is fine, and using a bit of seed oil in a salad dressing isn't gonna kill you, but eating large amounts of (repeatedly) heated seedoils (e.g. from junk food) every day can play a significant role in the development of obesity, diabetes, and related illnesses.
mention that you don't use seed oils and people start to bodysnatchers-react to you
mention that you only use olive oil and butter and people start to attack you physically
there's something more insidious going on
>mention that you don't use seed oils
I think the problem is that hardly anyone says that and nothing else. Typically it also comes packaged with some borderline schizophrenic rant about how sneed oils literally give you supercancer or whatever.
>dirt cheap >60% monounsat 30% sat fats, basically mogs olive oil for 10% of the price >tastes and smells great >stable at high temps
What are the flaws?
You don't know the living conditions of those ducks? Are they kept in cages in China? Are they free to roam? Most important, are they fed grains made from corn and s o y?
Seed oils are high in omega 6 fatty acids.
These fats cause inflammation.
Eating them all the time means that you are chronically inflamed.
Insulin has anti-inflammatory effects, so your insulin is elevated to combat the inflammation.
Chronically elevated insulin leads to insulin resistance.
Insulin resistance makes you fat.
They're not. tl;dr what's going on: >keto scammers lie for 50 years that carb consumption went up and fat consumption went down >internet pops into existence >anyone can verify they are lying about that in 5 minutes >panicked narrative switch, now start lying it's only plant fats that are fattening and animal fats are slimming (more precisely this video with 10 million views 6 years ago by Nina Teicholz who runs a meat lobby organization without disclosed funding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY) >cleverly renames vegetable oils into seed oils and adds in words like "industrial" to ramp up fear factor to sway the lowest rung brainlets acting on pure emotion
Behold, current year seed oil schizo movement.
>the oils in question are made from the seeds >to obrain these oils you have to press the seeds >pressing the vegetables does mot yield any oil
This moron is actually arguing that accurate discriptions are propaganda and misleading labels are not. You're a Black person and a homosexual. You are also a homosexual for getting mad at people accurately describing the process to produce seed oils earlier in this thread.
alot of them are ultraprocessed exposed to harsh chemicals that are inflammatory, or end up with fats that are inflammatory. Chronic systemic inflammation is THE factor that can cause every major health problem we have in the modern world : cancer, dementia, diabetes, metabolic disorder, every autoimmune disorder, etc. etc.
Just about every disease we have can be caused by, or can be made worse, with chronic systemic inflammation
there are almost no RCT studies for human nutrition, because they're basically impossible to do. and epidemiological studies are both inherently and in extra ways also practically flawed to the degree of worthlessness.
one of the very few RCT's done has found the opposite btw:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23386268/ >Objective: To evaluate the effectiveness of replacing dietary saturated fat with omega 6 linoleic acid, for the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease and death. >Results: The intervention group (n=221) had higher rates of death than controls (n=237) (all cause 17.6% v 11.8%, hazard ratio 1.62 (95% confidence interval 1.00 to 2.64), P=0.05; cardiovascular disease 17.2% v 11.0%, 1.70 (1.03 to 2.80), P=0.04; coronary heart disease 16.3% v 10.1%, 1.74 (1.04 to 2.92), P=0.04).
>science denial studies tell nothing all science bad
lol, every time. You only do that dance because very little if any evidence exists that saturated fat is healthier. Your dogma is that vegetable oil bad, therefore if studies say it good, then studies bad. No different from religious nutjob.
>this study supports my viewpoint therefore this study is the bestest despite being from reconstructed dataset from 1966 >all other studies are worthless because they say otherwise
Still a religious nutjob, just with self-proclaimed infallible scripture.
k? >Effects on Coronary Heart Disease of Increasing Polyunsaturated Fat in Place of Saturated Fat: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials >Conclusions >These findings provide evidence that consuming PUFA in place of SFA reduces CHD events in RCTs. This suggests that rather than trying to lower PUFA consumption, a shift toward greater population PUFA consumption in place of SFA would significantly reduce rates of CHD.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252
Theres like 22 000 results so why limit at one and spoonfeed ya fellas, have fun
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=rct+saturated+fat+polyunsaturated+fat&btnG=
3 months ago
Anonymous
>https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/45494074_Meta-analysis_of_RCTs_finds_that_increasing_consumption_of_polyunsaturated_fat_as_a_replacement_for_saturated_fat_reduces_the_risk_of_coronary_heart_disease >Theres like 22 000 results
yeah, like this https://www.jacc.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Jose M. Ordovas, Jeff S. Volek, Ronald M. Krauss
Lol. Without reading I know the paper doesn't prove that saturated fat is healthier but does the usual dance on the sidelines of actual topic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
wow, I totally trust this study now!
3 months ago
Anonymous
btw that is from the analysis claiming benefits to PUFAs you posted here
k? >Effects on Coronary Heart Disease of Increasing Polyunsaturated Fat in Place of Saturated Fat: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials >Conclusions >These findings provide evidence that consuming PUFA in place of SFA reduces CHD events in RCTs. This suggests that rather than trying to lower PUFA consumption, a shift toward greater population PUFA consumption in place of SFA would significantly reduce rates of CHD.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252
Theres like 22 000 results so why limit at one and spoonfeed ya fellas, have fun
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=rct+saturated+fat+polyunsaturated+fat&btnG=
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not the sponsor list of that shitty-as-usual paid Volek shill study. This is:
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The evidence discussed in this paper has been presented by the authors during the Expert Workshop “Saturated Fat and Health: A Nutrient or Food Approach?” held in February 2020 in Washington, DC. The workshop was funded by the Nutrition Coalition—a nonprofit nonpartisan educational organization whose primary goal is ensuring that U.S. nutrition policy is based on rigorous scientific evidence—in part with a generous grant from philanthropists Robert G. and Sue Douthit O'Donnell, of California. The sponsors had no role in preparing or reviewing the manuscript before submission. Dr. Astrup has received research funding from Danish Dairy Foundation, Arla Foods Amba, and the European Milk Foundation; has received speaker honoraria for the Expert Symposium on the Dairy Matrix 2016 sponsored by the European Milk Foundation; and has served on the advisory board and as a consultant for McCain Foods Limited and Weight Watchers. Dr. Bier has served as a consultant and/or received lecture fees and/or reimbursements for travel, hotel and other expenses from the International Life Sciences Institute, the International Council on Amino Acid Science, Nutrition and Growth Solutions, Ajinomoto, the Lorenzini Foundation, the CrossFit Foundation, the International Glutamate Technical Committee, Nestlé S.A., Ferrero SpA, Indiana University, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals, the Infant Nutrition Council of America, and the Israel Institute.
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Gotta split to two posts haha. Jesus Christ...
3 months ago
Anonymous
no, those are the sponsors of the shitty meta-analysis you posted.
anyway, you're not interested in the truth. so there's no point in talking to you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not the sponsor list of that shitty-as-usual paid Volek shill study. This is:
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The evidence discussed in this paper has been presented by the authors during the Expert Workshop “Saturated Fat and Health: A Nutrient or Food Approach?” held in February 2020 in Washington, DC. The workshop was funded by the Nutrition Coalition—a nonprofit nonpartisan educational organization whose primary goal is ensuring that U.S. nutrition policy is based on rigorous scientific evidence—in part with a generous grant from philanthropists Robert G. and Sue Douthit O'Donnell, of California. The sponsors had no role in preparing or reviewing the manuscript before submission. Dr. Astrup has received research funding from Danish Dairy Foundation, Arla Foods Amba, and the European Milk Foundation; has received speaker honoraria for the Expert Symposium on the Dairy Matrix 2016 sponsored by the European Milk Foundation; and has served on the advisory board and as a consultant for McCain Foods Limited and Weight Watchers. Dr. Bier has served as a consultant and/or received lecture fees and/or reimbursements for travel, hotel and other expenses from the International Life Sciences Institute, the International Council on Amino Acid Science, Nutrition and Growth Solutions, Ajinomoto, the Lorenzini Foundation, the CrossFit Foundation, the International Glutamate Technical Committee, Nestlé S.A., Ferrero SpA, Indiana University, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals, the Infant Nutrition Council of America, and the Israel Institute.
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Dr. Brenna has received research funding from the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association/North Dakota Beef Council; has received panel participation honorarium from Dairy Management (2017); and is a shareholder in Retrotope. Dr. Hill has received research funding from the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association; has served as a member of the scientific advisory committee of the Milk Producers Education Program (Milk PEP) and the health and wellness advisory board for General Mills; and is a trustee of the International Life Science Institute. Drs. Mente and Yusuf have received research funding from the Dairy Farmers of Canada and the National Dairy Council to analyze data on dairy consumption and health outcomes in the PURE study, which is funded by the Population Health Research Institute, Hamilton Health Sciences Research Institute, and more than 70 other sources (government and pharmaceutical). Dr. Ordovas has received research funding from the U.S. Department of Agriculture on personalized nutrition, and Archer Daniels Midland on probiotics; and has served on the scientific advisory board or as a consultant for Nutrigenomix, the Predict Study, GNC, and Weight Watchers. Dr. Volek has received research funding from the Lotte and John Hecht Memorial Foundation, Metagenics, National Dairy Council/Dutch Dairy Organization, Malaysian Palm Board, and Pruvit Ventures; has received royalties for books on ketogenic diets; has served on the scientific advisory board for Virta Health, UCAN, Advancing Ketogenic Therapies, Cook Keto, Axcess Global, and Atkins Nutritionals; owns equity in PangeaKeto and Virta Health; and is founder of and chief science officer for Virta Health. Dr. Krauss has received research funding from Dairy Management; has served on the scientific advisory board for Virta Health and Day Two; and has a licensed patent for a method of lipoprotein particle measurement.
They are the healthiest fat. >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0163782708000593?via%3Dihub > Available data from controlled intervention studies suggest beneficial effects on insulin sensitivity when SFA and TFA are replaced with MUFA or PUFA
> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/12/6207/5540968?login=false > SFA markedly induces liver fat and serum ceramides, whereas dietary PUFA prevents liver fat accumulation and reduces ceramides and hyperlipidemia during excess energy intake and weight gain in overweight individuals.
> https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2017.73.3329 > Findings from this large, international cohort consortium suggest that modifying dietary fat intake (ie, replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat) may reduce lung cancer risk, particularly among smokers and for squamous cell and small cell carcinoma.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/ > Intakes of butter and margarine were associated with higher total mortality while intakes of canola oil and olive oil were related to lower total mortality.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121943/ > Unsaturated fatty rich oils like safflower, sunflower, rapeseed, flaxseed, corn, olive, basedbean, palm, and coconut oil were more effective in reducing LDL-C (−0.42 to −0.20 mmol/l) as compared with SFA-rich food like butter or lard. LDL-C predicted differences based on their fatty acid composition showed that each 10% of dietary energy from butter replaced by unsaturated fatty rich oils (−0.31 to -0.22 mmol/l) were in line with findings from the NMA
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34527059/ >Our findings revealed that flaxseed oil supplementation might play a beneficial role in the reinforcement of the antioxidant defense system and amelioration of oxidative stress in adults.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/ >Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases
>https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/7/2436/htm >The addition of EVOO enhances the vasodilatory capacity of the brachial artery even in the short term
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.0000163185.28245.a1 > High SFA caused deterioration in FMD compared with high PUFA, MUFA, or CARB diets
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.114.010236 > These data provide support for current recommendations to replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat for primary prevention of CHD.
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-021-02507-1 >replacement of saturated fats with other macronutrients, such as polyunsaturated fats, was associated with reduced cardiovascular disease occurrence.
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.14.6.892 > reducing saturated fats is the key to lowering total and LDL cholesterol.
> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/4/1641/2844241?login=false > Our data demonstrate that short-term administration of a diet high in polyunsaturated fats induces a greater level of ketosis and improves SI without negatively affecting total or LDL cholesterol levels
They are the healthiest fat. >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0163782708000593?via%3Dihub > Available data from controlled intervention studies suggest beneficial effects on insulin sensitivity when SFA and TFA are replaced with MUFA or PUFA
> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/12/6207/5540968?login=false > SFA markedly induces liver fat and serum ceramides, whereas dietary PUFA prevents liver fat accumulation and reduces ceramides and hyperlipidemia during excess energy intake and weight gain in overweight individuals.
> https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2017.73.3329 > Findings from this large, international cohort consortium suggest that modifying dietary fat intake (ie, replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat) may reduce lung cancer risk, particularly among smokers and for squamous cell and small cell carcinoma.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/ > Intakes of butter and margarine were associated with higher total mortality while intakes of canola oil and olive oil were related to lower total mortality.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121943/ > Unsaturated fatty rich oils like safflower, sunflower, rapeseed, flaxseed, corn, olive, basedbean, palm, and coconut oil were more effective in reducing LDL-C (−0.42 to −0.20 mmol/l) as compared with SFA-rich food like butter or lard. LDL-C predicted differences based on their fatty acid composition showed that each 10% of dietary energy from butter replaced by unsaturated fatty rich oils (−0.31 to -0.22 mmol/l) were in line with findings from the NMA
Surprised the thread is still going after this. We have so much human outcome data that not only shows that seed oils are safe, but are usually better for you than saturated fats.
>any serious medical professional
Turns out medical professionals don't know jack shit about nutrition. They're trained only to repeat the party line at their Rockefeller foundation, Pfizer, Moderna, etc. funded university and sell drugs for those companies. The average doctor today is practically just a drug dealer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
not an argument. you sound like a woman.
>Alpha-Linolenic Fatty Acid (Omega-3 [precursor]): 0.6 g
When you account for the conversion factor of 5% for the precursor ALA into Omega 3, it's more like 0.03g of EPA or DHA. The ratio, n6:n3, is then more like 50:1. The n6:n3 ratio only applies when it's actually n3 (EPA and DHA) and not a precursor. >>muh 1:4 ratio
1:1 is the recommended ideal with values allowed ranging between 4:1 and 1:4. >cold press it then
You need a large variety of solvents and such for any seed oils regardless of whether or not it's cold pressed.
[...] >wrong type of omega 3s
It's not even omega 3. It's a precursor which your body can convert into a small amount of omega 3. Omega 3 comes in two forms: eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid. At best, most people will getting about 5% of the mass in terms of omega 3. The only reliable sources of omega 3 are fatty fish, dairy, animal fats and meats. Eggs can have a good amount of omega 3 depending on the diet of the chickens, ducks, etc.
the conversion is about 8% into EPA and 4% into DHA. 1tbs gives 900mg ALA so 900x.04 + 900x.08 = 108mg combined DHA and EPA. eat 2 tbs a day and you're at the range of a normal supplement. im not even saying dont eat fish or eggs or dairy. not sure why you're bringing this up. >recommended ideal
recommended by who? experts? my experts say to consume vegetable oils because they are healthy. >solvents
you know nothing
>human outcome data that not only shows that seed oils are safe, but are usually better for you than saturated fats
the hard outcomes shows exactly the opposite
no one reasonable is specifically shitting on PUFAs but the refinement process that degrades alot of healthy lipids and forms toxic shit like transfats that is most available for cooking oil. Virgin, unrefined seedoils are probably fine. High heat oils for cooking that goes past its smoking point, or the chemical refinement that you need to do to let an oil be used for high heat cooking - AKA 90% of junk food - is not great for you if you eat that shit every day.
no culture on earth has ever traditionally eaten anything like that consistently, which is a good indicator that its evolutionarily new to us and thus if its toxic we dont know how to deal with it efficiently or even get rid of it.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34527059/ >Our findings revealed that flaxseed oil supplementation might play a beneficial role in the reinforcement of the antioxidant defense system and amelioration of oxidative stress in adults.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/ >Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases
>https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/7/2436/htm >The addition of EVOO enhances the vasodilatory capacity of the brachial artery even in the short term
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.0000163185.28245.a1 > High SFA caused deterioration in FMD compared with high PUFA, MUFA, or CARB diets
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.114.010236 > These data provide support for current recommendations to replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat for primary prevention of CHD.
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-021-02507-1 >replacement of saturated fats with other macronutrients, such as polyunsaturated fats, was associated with reduced cardiovascular disease occurrence.
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.14.6.892 > reducing saturated fats is the key to lowering total and LDL cholesterol.
> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/4/1641/2844241?login=false > Our data demonstrate that short-term administration of a diet high in polyunsaturated fats induces a greater level of ketosis and improves SI without negatively affecting total or LDL cholesterol levels
man is it really that difficult to go to google scholar and look up "processed oil" and find a review article to educate yourself?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8767382/ >Although refining extends oil shelf life, it has several disadvantages. One of the main disadvantages is the loss of substances responsible for healthy, pharmaceutical properties and technological interest in the oils, such as tocopherols, phospholipids, squalene, polyphenols, and phytosterols. >Another notable disadvantage of refining is the formation of undesirable compounds such as glycidyl ester, 3-MCPD-esters, harmful trans-fatty acids, and polymeric triacylglycerols.
Thats a review published in 2022 btw, in case you think that its outdated.
Go check their sources if you want to see why the refining products are harmful
You're still dancing around the actual comparative health effects and posting scary word salad. Which of these words makes you most scared? >glycidyl ester, 3-MCPD-esters, harmful trans-fatty acids, and polymeric triacylglycerols
what do you want me to compare it with? their unrefined counterparts?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ejlt.202100149 >deodorization could lead to the formation of trans fatty acids....cold pressed ones are better due to absence of trans isomers >considerable reduction in total sterols during neutralization and deodorization...[phytosterols] provide protection against chronic diseases... >Tocols are known to reduce the risk of several diseases....Tocopherols are present in higher amounts in virgin oils compared to refined oils >phenolic compounds have several beneficial properties...During the refining process, phenolics are removed to a certain extent. >refining has several negative effects...reduction of health promoting minor components such as tocopherols, carotenoids, and phytosterols can...make vegetable oils weak in preventing cardiovascular disease >consuming virgin oils with higher content of...phenolic compounds, tocopherol, and carotenoids with antioxidative properties can have beneficial effects on diabetoc patients.
Need anything more? theres plenty of comparative health studies here between refined and unrefined oils, from the same vegetable/seed. Take your pick
when have i ever mentioned PUFAs poofter?
Refined oils are worse than their unrefined, cold pressed counterparts because it lowers the antiinflammatory micronutrients profiles and can make transfats.
This is not controversial at all in the health literature. If you want to fix seed oils find better ways to refine them or dont chemically refine them at all.
They killed people caused heart disease and cancer in multiple clinical trials. Any "evidence" they are good is not RCT based or not on hard outcomes like mortality but just soft measures like cholesterol.
>all those links to scientific studies and paragraph long discussions
All I'm sayin is, everyone I know who eats seed oils on the regular is fat. Yet I've yet to see anyone get fat from olive oil, eggs or milk. Simple as.
We're so lucky that PUFA, which is healthy and science approved, just happens to be present in massive quantities in all the supermarket goyslop. It's great to know that food corporations are looking out for me.
>We're so lucky that WATER, which is healthy and science approved, just happens to be present in massive quantities in all the supermarket goyslop. It's great to know that food corporations are looking out for me.
Christ you're stupid. >WELL THIS INGREDIENT IS IN THIS ONE BAD THING HURRDURUDRUDURU
Weird how feeding wheat germ by itself doesn't kill rats or cause any harm in humans.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>salt in the rat poison
frick guys, salt is toxic.
>literally
You talk like a teenage girl.
Also prove it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No anus.
You can be literal without assigning it to current conversational traits. It's an appropriately placed word within the context of the sentence.
And he is correct.
I work for a municipal water supply and the amount of fluoride in your drinking water is damn near negligible unless Bill Gates owns your water utility. What you need to be worried about is things like chlorine, trihalomethane, and chromium which varies wildly from one water plant to the next. Generally speaking if you live near industry and your water is purified with bromides, cl3 then you should bare minimum be doing secondary filtration.
I heard that trhere was some connection between seed oils and sun burn, with people who have stopped consuming seed oils don't seem to get sunburnt.
Do any of you know anything that might cause this?
>No seeds oils, no sunburn
This happens to me. I live in ocenia where the sun is bad. I don't wear sunscreen.
Note how skin cancer rate has gone up some 17 fold in the past several decades, but the population time in the sun and has gone down. The sun doesn't cause cancer nor does it speed aging.
>Can somebody explain why exactly seed oils are bad?
if they are extracted naturally, without heat or solvents, they are harmless, if they are extracted using heat and solvents they are inflamatory and wreck havoc on your health, because it's like poison running trough your veins, that's what causes cholesterol to accumkulate in the arteries, it's actually an healing process, if you keep eating shit you are always healing and never get better
>if they are extracted naturally, without heat or solvents, they are harmless
The digestive process has been proved to be sufficient to cause polyunsaturated fats to oxidize. Even if your cold pressed seed oils have somehow managed to not become rancid before you eat them )virtually impossible) then their inherent instability will ensure that they become so as soon as you eat them.
These foods didn't exist in the human diet prior to the most recent 100 years and it shouldn't come as a surprise that they're not good for you. The evidence is so overwhelming that I have absolutely no sympathy for people who reject it. Your health is your responsibility and no one else's and if you let some shills convince you that poisoning yourself with seed oils is fine then you fully deserve the inevitable consequences.
What foods are you missing out on that you need to so desperately defend seed oils? Prepackaged, processed foods? Fast food? Deep fried foods? You should never encounter seed oils unless you're eating things that you shouldn't be eating anyway for a variety of other reasons.
you have your answer right there bud. Avocado oil. As far as we know its the healthiest high heat cooking oil option.
But a safer option would honestly be to not use such high heats in the first place. Even if you dont reach the smoking point, getting hot enough so its close still means that you still form unwanted potentially toxic products, just not as much as when you reach the smoking point.
Chemistry do be a b***h like that.
Its also not the healthiest option to sear meat aggressively in the first place since it increases the likelihood of burning reactions, but theres the obvious dilemma of not wanting to overcook meat while still getting a good maillard browning
The optimal fat intake for peak human health (as evidenced by both a century of research and the traditional diets of the healthiest and longest lived peoples all over the planet) is between 10-15% of total caloric intake. Going below 10% and over 15% is where you start to see negative health effects.
You do need fat in your diet but you need far, far less than most people get. For a standard 2000 calorie a day diet, two eggs would be all the fat you need for the day.
Oh, we should add palm oil to this as well, since like olive oil it's technically part of the fruit not the seed, although the secondary product palm kernel oil is part of the inside of the seed.
Olive oil is not a seed oil. It is a fruit oil. It comes entirely from the flesh of oils and can be easily extracted by just crushing olives. >why exactly seed oils are bad?
Excess omega 6. Omega 6 causes a variety of problems in excess including obesity, heart disease, and just general inflammation. And then there is the fact that seed oils have to be extracted from seeds using a variety of solvents and other chemical processes that leave carcinogenic residue in the oil.
Yummy goyslop give me now
Serve the bugs and spare the cow
Oh joyous day just for me
A massive goyslop factory
Smash the seeds up into paste
Don't forget to remove the waste
Then take out the remaining muck
And serve it to me for a buck
Oh what a wonder, I cannot wait
Now take it and put it on my plate
MUH HECKIN HEATING PROCESSES WELL ABOVE THE DIDDLERINO RESISTANCE LEVELS OF THE PRODUCT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE ITS ON THE SHELVES
MUH HECKIN BLEACH AND FILTER TO BE PALATABLE OF HUMANERINO CONSOOMERINO
Somehow butter, olive oil, animals fats are bad but all the processed shit is ok? also if that’s the case why is canola,sunflower, vegetable in all junk food ?
Butter is processed. Olive oil is processed. >why is canola,sunflower, vegetable in all junk food ?
Because it's cheap. Cheese is in junk food too is dairy bad now? What about salt?
Actual butter and olive oil is not processed? You literally can buy raw milk and shake it the got butter. I’ve seen how olive oil is made it’s not processed.They add seed oils because it’s a cheap shitty filler like onions and adding a bunch of salt adds flavor ?
butter is made by shaking milk and physically separating the fattty parts from the rest of the milk
virgin olive oil is just squeezed olive juice.
Physical processing is in no way the same as chemical processing. Thats like saying that peeling a banana is the same as using acids, heat, and bases to somehow remove the banana skin and praying that the banana flesh is somehow not fricked up
butter is made by shaking milk and physically separating the fattty parts from the rest of the milk
virgin olive oil is just squeezed olive juice.
Physical processing is in no way the same as chemical processing. Thats like saying that peeling a banana is the same as using acids, heat, and bases to somehow remove the banana skin and praying that the banana flesh is somehow not fricked up
Think logically for a second. Humans evolved on a certain diet. Does it make sense to feast on a substance in quantities then impossible to obtain? Hm hm hm.
just one of many.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8626637/ >Nepsilon-(Carboxymethyl)lysine (CML) is an advanced glycation end product formed on protein by combined nonenzymatic glycation and oxidation (glycoxidation) reactions. We now report that CML is also formed during metal-catalyzed oxidation of polyunsaturated fatty acids in the presence of protein. During copper-catalyzed oxidation in vitro, the CML content of low density lipoprotein increased in concert with conjugated dienes but was independent of the presence of the Amadori compound, fructoselysine, on the protein. CML was also formed in a time-dependent manner in RNase incubated under aerobic conditions in phosphate buffer containing arachidonate or linoleate; only trace amounts of CML were formed from oleate. After 6 days of incubation the yield of CML in RNase from arachidonate was approximately 0.7 mmol/mol lysine compared with only 0.03 mmol/mol lysine for protein incubated under the same conditions with glucose. Glyoxal, a known precursor of CML, was also formed during incubation of RNase with arachidonate. These results suggest that lipid peroxidation, as well as glycoxidation, may be an important source of CML in tissue proteins in vivo and that CML may be a general marker of oxidative stress and long term damage to protein in aging, atherosclerosis, and diabetes.
>These results suggest that lipid peroxidation, as well as glycoxidation, may be an important source of CML in tissue proteins in vivo and that CML may be a general marker of oxidative stress and long term damage to protein in aging, atherosclerosis, and diabetes.
Frick this thread and frick arguing with sciencegays. Im going to use coconut MCT oil for the rare occasion I bake something and you Black folk will just have to live with it
They are not
wrong picture, chudcel
How much do you get paid, homosexual?
The standards for jidf shilling are pretty low i see
They just are...okay?!
leftover industrial processing cleaning agents, some hydrocarbon shit
>some hydrocarbon shit
So is all of the food you eat.
Hydrocarbons are compounds containing only hydrogen and carbon (eg hexane, butane, propane, octane). They are all toxic.
So cold pressed canola oil is fine?
the processing is only one issue
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves thread
thanks....
no, i'm here, i didn't think it warranted further reply as other post cover it already
he already said it right here you blind mongoloid spazz moronic chimp
thanks homosexual
my bad
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Ray Peat talks about PUFA and it's role in inflammation and NAFLD. Personally I prefer oils not cleaned with ammonia.
linked vid...
fricking leafs
I will say driving through rapeseed fields in the summer is pretty KINO ngl.
Honestly, man, this isn't that complicated.
To get butter, you mash up milkfat until it's butter.
To get olive oil, you mash up olives until the oil seperates out.
To get canola oil, you mash up vegetable waste until its oil, but then it's super toxic, so you clean it with industrial solvents, then it is a black tar-like slime that no one would eat, so they bleach it until its clear, then perfume it so it smells nice.
Even if seed oils were objectively as healthy as butter or olive oil, I wouldn't eat them just because they're fricking gross.
Related
>Calf is killed
only after it's lived two years, most beef production comes from dairy calves
All that paragraph describes is a bunch of purely mechanical processes + some leftie dogshit about poor cowsies
That olive oil looks like shit
Don't buy your olive oil in plastic bottles. Tin casing or frosted glass is the recipients in which quality olive oil are put.
>the fricking mental gymnastics to vilify butter
I say this as a olivechad meself
I think its more about pointing out the moronation of cherry picking descriptions for things
ironically the olive oil you posted is most likely refined sneed oil or at least cut with refined oil
cold pressed olive oil is much darker and greener
also it's never stored in transparent containers because light spoils it
Not necessarily true, many small manufacturers rely on customers not being total fricktards and not leaving oil in broad sunlight. Just bought '23 harvest oil from Greece and it comes in clear glass
That yellow piss jug is not real olive oil.
Why are you shill homosexuals so dishonest? All oils using the hexane process have 0, literally 0, hexane left in them by the nature of the process itself. The chemical process is quite simple even for your peabrains.
Here is a ONE MINUTE VIDEO so your zoomer-tier minds can wrap your head around it.
Yeah bruv, the fact that you need fricking hexane for it to be edible in the first place is not helping your point
>le naturalistic all natural nature fallacy
If you think chemical = bad you should get off your chair, throw your phone away, and go into the woods. Dumbass Black person.
I've never mentioned any dichotomy of the sort and your short fused, spastic reaction proves your inability to hold a proper conversation. Go swing from a tree branch you overweight ape
>chemical bad
>wait no i didn't say chemical bad!
You are an ape, a fraud, and a moron. You have no logic to stand on; you backpedal when asked about your logic. Dumb frick.
I was not among the three posters you replied to, shit for brains
>shilling for Big Hexane
>in a chinchilla-rearing North Korean message board
At least you get paid, right?
Right?
Wow very scientific. You video shows someone mixing a carcinogen into oil and then... oh no wait that's the whole video.
How is this supposed to make me feel better about ultra-processed oils again?
You're missing my point.
I'm not shilling anything. I'm saying, I refuse to eat seed oils because I've seen how they're made, and it grosses me the frick out, simple as.
I've seen people make butter, it looks good to me.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of any health benefits or risks of either butter or seed oil. I just won't eat seed oils. Butter and olive oil only. If you're this upset by me saying that, you may need to rethink your life.
Every thread has a sneed oil salesman it seems.
Just not eating your goyslop sneed oils, sewer rat
You can get cold pressed rapeseed oil it's when you want to extract more than this level that you need chemical extraction from the extrusion cake with stuff like hexane
but the real problem with seed oils is they're very high in omega 6 fatty acids and the wrong type of omega 3s which cause biochemical problems for your cells and mitochindria
yeah.. except not canola. it disproves all the moronic shit sneed oilers complain about.
>muh 1:4 ratio
two teaspoons (10 mL) of canola oil
Linoleic Fatty Acid (Omega-6): 1.5 g
Alpha-Linolenic Fatty Acid (Omega-3): 0.6 g
>olive oil is the only healthy oil
the healthy aspect of olive comes from the monounsaturated fat. guess what homosexuals? 2tsp has 6g of it.
>muh solvents
cold press it then, pussy. fricking have a nice day canola is goated and haters are homosexual.
>Alpha-Linolenic Fatty Acid (Omega-3 [precursor]): 0.6 g
When you account for the conversion factor of 5% for the precursor ALA into Omega 3, it's more like 0.03g of EPA or DHA. The ratio, n6:n3, is then more like 50:1. The n6:n3 ratio only applies when it's actually n3 (EPA and DHA) and not a precursor.
>>muh 1:4 ratio
1:1 is the recommended ideal with values allowed ranging between 4:1 and 1:4.
>cold press it then
You need a large variety of solvents and such for any seed oils regardless of whether or not it's cold pressed.
>wrong type of omega 3s
It's not even omega 3. It's a precursor which your body can convert into a small amount of omega 3. Omega 3 comes in two forms: eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid. At best, most people will getting about 5% of the mass in terms of omega 3. The only reliable sources of omega 3 are fatty fish, dairy, animal fats and meats. Eggs can have a good amount of omega 3 depending on the diet of the chickens, ducks, etc.
Iipid peroxidation of polyunsaturated fats
Ignore all the søyentific mumbo-jumbo. It really is more simple to understand:
Vegetable oils, when they're heated up, crystallize and their molecular structure changes to one very similar to plastic. They're essentially liquid plastic you're boiling your food in.
They harden up and become a sort of resin that your body has no use for and doesn't know what to do with. Unlike ruminants and other herbivores, our body temperature is not high enough to be able to handle them.
As they travel through your blood vessels, they shred everything they're in contact with, and that's why they cause so much inflammation.
So these hard resins end up stored in the walls of your arteries, building up plaque, until they eventually clog up and kill you.
Artheriosclerosis (hardened blood vessels) is also caused by these sneed oil resins.
Vegan shills and carbtards have been brainwashed into blaming meat and eggs by the food processing industry because sneed oils are a key ingredient in pretty much everything that's processed.
Once your body stores these resins, it can take many years to dissolve and get rid of them, so you should stop consuming all of them immediately.
You can accelerate their removal by taking hot baths at 41C max (105F) for 60–90 minutes, 3–4 times a week.
Your body also works to break them down when you get sick and have a fever. Getting a cold or flu is great, it's like your body's maintenance cycle.
Tumors and cancers also shrink or disappear after colds or flus like 80% of the time. So you should look forward to getting one. They are only dangerous if you're underweight.
Nobody wants to take the ketoBlack personpill, frick off back to your reddit safespace.
about that...
>fat consumption has gone up yet animal fat consumption has gone down
>noooooooo it's not the seed oils.
why is moxyte so mentally ill
how much of the hate for low carb diets is just one person?
>fitness board is not the most keen on carbs
Fricking shocker, I know. I have been called ketoschizo for telling people to limit their simple carb consumption when trying to lose weight (because their calorie to nutrition ratio is bad) despite eating oats, bread, rice or pasta daily myself. Another time I had that castrated chimp lecture me on the diet that my people have been eating for thousands of years. Diet discussion on this board is completely fricking ruined and the mods turn a blind eye
Ketoschizo is term used by combative roidtrannies to strawman. I was intentionally hypocritical in that sentence.
Keto
>Eat way more vegetables
>Eat more chicken, fish, eggs, and lean beef
>Try organ meat
>Don't eat baked goods or cereals
>Don't eat processed sugars
The only shit part of this diet is the absence of fruit. But these deluded degenerates think it's 500g Bacon plus Buttered Coffee every morning.
The sugar in fruit is chemically identical to the sugar in high fructose corn syrup. What makes the fruit healthy? Antioxidants that your body literally can’t use no matter how many marketing dollars tells you it’s good? A measly amount of fiber which is contraindicated in the human diet even though the people who sell you fiber supplements say you need it? A tiny bit of vitamin C? Vitamin C competes with glucose for uptake, if you don’t eat glucose then you don’t need to worry about getting more vitamin C because you readily absorb it. And you’re not even right, every keto thing tells you that most berries are fine, just don’t eat pounds of them.
The fiber reduces the absorbance, the antioxidants that comes with it, and the fact that the fructose in fruits is way lower in dosage than in any processed food. The Fructose in fruits arent for you. Theyre for your gut bacteria to thrive and help your immune system get stronger with the added biodiversity. The glucose associated with the fructose in the sucrose molecule, is for you and your brain to process and use. Fructose is a mitochondrial toxin and hepatotoxin; It makes your liver fat; We literally have a term called fatty liver disease to describe long term alcohol poisoning
>What makes the fruit healthy?
the fact that it's bound up with fibre to restrict its absorbtion rate
all the rest of your post is cope because fruit juices are pretty much just as toxic as sugar water
what bout with pulp
There are tons of compounds - phytonutrients, anthocyanins, flavonoids, and other shit that isnt yet fully understood - which makes it good for you. Some cursory research would present to you that Blueberry is one of the healthy foods despite being mostly fructose.
You can eat some blackberries, raspberries, or strawberries on keto. Just don't overdo it.
Veganism causes mental illness.
All of it. He creates multiple threads every day for the past several years.
>You can accelerate their removal by taking hot baths at 41C max (105F) for 60–90 minutes, 3–4 times a week.
That's pretty tepid.
>ignore all of the studies and actual human evidence. Listen to my emotional fear mongering instead.
Still not ingesting repurposed industrial waste.
>heat up
>crystallize
anon I don't know who accredited you but I'm sure they don't give out degrees in special education programs
they are high in calories so you need to monitor your intake. that's literally it. otherwise, they are very healthy.
according to hyperlipid saturated fats have a cellular mechanism that triggers a satiety signal due to the ratio of NADH to FADH2, because polyunsaturated fatty acids have double bonds they produce a lower ratio that isn't enough to trigger the satiety signal
Always do the opposite of what israelites want
the only truth I'll ever accept
>Olives
>''SEEDS''
lmfao the ultimate state of /fitizens schooling/education
All I know is that the same men who created Crisco are the exact same men who created the American Heart Association. William Proctor and James Gamble of the now huge corporation Proctor and Gamble. Once Crisco got popular, there was a huge spike in heart attacks and heart disease in America, so they tricked everyone into thinking it was still healthy somehow with that move. The appeal to authority fallacy works so well. Heart disease was exceedingly rare in America prior to the popularization of Crisco. That shit is literally lamp oil and was used to make candles too. That was its sole purpose. No one should be cooking with it. Imagine making a fried egg using motor oil or something. Same level. When you look at the ingredients list of it throughout the time it's been on the market its always been made of vegetable oils and glycerin. They've been horrible for people since day one and they haven't gotten any better since.
Wait how have I never heard this before?
Just one of those things buried to history by companies and corporations quietly sweeping it under the rug. Kind of like how the fruit company Chiquita overthrew entire governments in South America just to turn them into banana plantations.
Were you aware Ancel Keys stole the whole fat/heart disease theory and completely musunderstood the guy's research?
*from John Goffman
Proctor and Gamble had nothing to do with the founding of AHA, as far as I was able to find
If we're talking about paying AHA off to promote their product, that's a matter of course
>lamp oil...used to make candles
Not a great argument, I'm pretty sure virtually any oil can be sued for those purposes
> vegetable oils and glycerin
Both are perfectly edible though?
You are what you eat so why eat shit? A small amount of seed oil in your diet won't harm you the same way a small amount of heavy metals in your diet won't harm you.
Just like sneed oils the effect of heavy metals is cumulative and your body needs time and a chance to chelate and heal.
But you've yet to present any argument as for why they would be bad for you in the first place
I don't use them simply because olive oil has a better EFA ratio, but that's all I'm aware of. I've yet to see any other convincing argument for why they'd be bad
Olive oil is still high in omega 6
they're bad because they've never existed in nature in the amounts and forms we currently eat them and due to the chemical processing they undergo. the linoleic fatty acid content of the fat of animals eating their natural diet and of breast milk (both human and animal) is very low. polyunsaturated fat is multiple orders of magnitude more unstable against oxidation than saturated fat, and exerts many long term deleterious effects in the body. if you want to learn more about that, you can look up linoleic acid on pubmed, watch some videos from low-carb down under on youtube, or /r/saturatedfat, or read some articles by ray peat like: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
to be clear, eating some nuts is fine, and using a bit of seed oil in a salad dressing isn't gonna kill you, but eating large amounts of (repeatedly) heated seedoils (e.g. from junk food) every day can play a significant role in the development of obesity, diabetes, and related illnesses.
there was a several hour long presentation exactly to this point by some cardiologist that used to get posted around, probably still on youtube
mention that you don't use seed oils and people start to bodysnatchers-react to you
mention that you only use olive oil and butter and people start to attack you physically
there's something more insidious going on
>mention that you don't use seed oils
I think the problem is that hardly anyone says that and nothing else. Typically it also comes packaged with some borderline schizophrenic rant about how sneed oils literally give you supercancer or whatever.
I only ever use lard and butter and whenever someone finds out, they go away awkwardly like I had a contagious disease
they can only assume that your veins are clogged no matter how healthy you look, it's crazy whomst is responsible for this brainwashing
>whomst is responsible for this brainwashing
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
Olive oil isn't seed oil.
Op, you are moronic.
olive oil doesn't come from the pit of the olive?
Investigate the metabolism chain and side-products and evaluate nutritional value compared to animal fat.
Seed oils have no meaningful nutrition. Poor amino acid ratios and a metabolic chain that causes oxidative stress.
>dirt cheap
>60% monounsat 30% sat fats, basically mogs olive oil for 10% of the price
>tastes and smells great
>stable at high temps
What are the flaws?
One flaw is I've never seen this sold at any store i've been to, so i'll stick to my ghee and butter since it's more practical and convenient to get.
You don't know the living conditions of those ducks? Are they kept in cages in China? Are they free to roam? Most important, are they fed grains made from corn and s o y?
i'll stick with all grass fed tallow and butter
Seed oils are high in omega 6 fatty acids.
These fats cause inflammation.
Eating them all the time means that you are chronically inflamed.
Insulin has anti-inflammatory effects, so your insulin is elevated to combat the inflammation.
Chronically elevated insulin leads to insulin resistance.
Insulin resistance makes you fat.
They're not. tl;dr what's going on:
>keto scammers lie for 50 years that carb consumption went up and fat consumption went down
>internet pops into existence
>anyone can verify they are lying about that in 5 minutes
>panicked narrative switch, now start lying it's only plant fats that are fattening and animal fats are slimming (more precisely this video with 10 million views 6 years ago by Nina Teicholz who runs a meat lobby organization without disclosed funding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY)
>cleverly renames vegetable oils into seed oils and adds in words like "industrial" to ramp up fear factor to sway the lowest rung brainlets acting on pure emotion
Behold, current year seed oil schizo movement.
Okay moxyte.
>the oils in question are made from the seeds
>to obrain these oils you have to press the seeds
>pressing the vegetables does mot yield any oil
This moron is actually arguing that accurate discriptions are propaganda and misleading labels are not. You're a Black person and a homosexual. You are also a homosexual for getting mad at people accurately describing the process to produce seed oils earlier in this thread.
alot of them are ultraprocessed exposed to harsh chemicals that are inflammatory, or end up with fats that are inflammatory. Chronic systemic inflammation is THE factor that can cause every major health problem we have in the modern world : cancer, dementia, diabetes, metabolic disorder, every autoimmune disorder, etc. etc.
Just about every disease we have can be caused by, or can be made worse, with chronic systemic inflammation
there are almost no RCT studies for human nutrition, because they're basically impossible to do. and epidemiological studies are both inherently and in extra ways also practically flawed to the degree of worthlessness.
one of the very few RCT's done has found the opposite btw:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23386268/
>Objective: To evaluate the effectiveness of replacing dietary saturated fat with omega 6 linoleic acid, for the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease and death.
>Results: The intervention group (n=221) had higher rates of death than controls (n=237) (all cause 17.6% v 11.8%, hazard ratio 1.62 (95% confidence interval 1.00 to 2.64), P=0.05; cardiovascular disease 17.2% v 11.0%, 1.70 (1.03 to 2.80), P=0.04; coronary heart disease 16.3% v 10.1%, 1.74 (1.04 to 2.92), P=0.04).
>science denial studies tell nothing all science bad
lol, every time. You only do that dance because very little if any evidence exists that saturated fat is healthier. Your dogma is that vegetable oil bad, therefore if studies say it good, then studies bad. No different from religious nutjob.
>ignore actual RCT I posted
lol, every time.
cry some more.
>this study supports my viewpoint therefore this study is the bestest despite being from reconstructed dataset from 1966
>all other studies are worthless because they say otherwise
Still a religious nutjob, just with self-proclaimed infallible scripture.
please show me an RCT in humans showing that seed oils are healthier.
you can do it buddy!
k?
>Effects on Coronary Heart Disease of Increasing Polyunsaturated Fat in Place of Saturated Fat: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials
>Conclusions
>These findings provide evidence that consuming PUFA in place of SFA reduces CHD events in RCTs. This suggests that rather than trying to lower PUFA consumption, a shift toward greater population PUFA consumption in place of SFA would significantly reduce rates of CHD.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252
Theres like 22 000 results so why limit at one and spoonfeed ya fellas, have fun
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=rct+saturated+fat+polyunsaturated+fat&btnG=
>https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/45494074_Meta-analysis_of_RCTs_finds_that_increasing_consumption_of_polyunsaturated_fat_as_a_replacement_for_saturated_fat_reduces_the_risk_of_coronary_heart_disease
>Theres like 22 000 results
yeah, like this https://www.jacc.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077
>Jose M. Ordovas, Jeff S. Volek, Ronald M. Krauss
Lol. Without reading I know the paper doesn't prove that saturated fat is healthier but does the usual dance on the sidelines of actual topic.
wow, I totally trust this study now!
btw that is from the analysis claiming benefits to PUFAs you posted here
That's not the sponsor list of that shitty-as-usual paid Volek shill study. This is:
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The evidence discussed in this paper has been presented by the authors during the Expert Workshop “Saturated Fat and Health: A Nutrient or Food Approach?” held in February 2020 in Washington, DC. The workshop was funded by the Nutrition Coalition—a nonprofit nonpartisan educational organization whose primary goal is ensuring that U.S. nutrition policy is based on rigorous scientific evidence—in part with a generous grant from philanthropists Robert G. and Sue Douthit O'Donnell, of California. The sponsors had no role in preparing or reviewing the manuscript before submission. Dr. Astrup has received research funding from Danish Dairy Foundation, Arla Foods Amba, and the European Milk Foundation; has received speaker honoraria for the Expert Symposium on the Dairy Matrix 2016 sponsored by the European Milk Foundation; and has served on the advisory board and as a consultant for McCain Foods Limited and Weight Watchers. Dr. Bier has served as a consultant and/or received lecture fees and/or reimbursements for travel, hotel and other expenses from the International Life Sciences Institute, the International Council on Amino Acid Science, Nutrition and Growth Solutions, Ajinomoto, the Lorenzini Foundation, the CrossFit Foundation, the International Glutamate Technical Committee, Nestlé S.A., Ferrero SpA, Indiana University, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals, the Infant Nutrition Council of America, and the Israel Institute.
Error: Comment too long (3447/2000).
Gotta split to two posts haha. Jesus Christ...
no, those are the sponsors of the shitty meta-analysis you posted.
anyway, you're not interested in the truth. so there's no point in talking to you.
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Dr. Brenna has received research funding from the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association/North Dakota Beef Council; has received panel participation honorarium from Dairy Management (2017); and is a shareholder in Retrotope. Dr. Hill has received research funding from the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association; has served as a member of the scientific advisory committee of the Milk Producers Education Program (Milk PEP) and the health and wellness advisory board for General Mills; and is a trustee of the International Life Science Institute. Drs. Mente and Yusuf have received research funding from the Dairy Farmers of Canada and the National Dairy Council to analyze data on dairy consumption and health outcomes in the PURE study, which is funded by the Population Health Research Institute, Hamilton Health Sciences Research Institute, and more than 70 other sources (government and pharmaceutical). Dr. Ordovas has received research funding from the U.S. Department of Agriculture on personalized nutrition, and Archer Daniels Midland on probiotics; and has served on the scientific advisory board or as a consultant for Nutrigenomix, the Predict Study, GNC, and Weight Watchers. Dr. Volek has received research funding from the Lotte and John Hecht Memorial Foundation, Metagenics, National Dairy Council/Dutch Dairy Organization, Malaysian Palm Board, and Pruvit Ventures; has received royalties for books on ketogenic diets; has served on the scientific advisory board for Virta Health, UCAN, Advancing Ketogenic Therapies, Cook Keto, Axcess Global, and Atkins Nutritionals; owns equity in PangeaKeto and Virta Health; and is founder of and chief science officer for Virta Health. Dr. Krauss has received research funding from Dairy Management; has served on the scientific advisory board for Virta Health and Day Two; and has a licensed patent for a method of lipoprotein particle measurement.
They are the healthiest fat.
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0163782708000593?via%3Dihub
> Available data from controlled intervention studies suggest beneficial effects on insulin sensitivity when SFA and TFA are replaced with MUFA or PUFA
> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/12/6207/5540968?login=false
> SFA markedly induces liver fat and serum ceramides, whereas dietary PUFA prevents liver fat accumulation and reduces ceramides and hyperlipidemia during excess energy intake and weight gain in overweight individuals.
> https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2017.73.3329
> Findings from this large, international cohort consortium suggest that modifying dietary fat intake (ie, replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat) may reduce lung cancer risk, particularly among smokers and for squamous cell and small cell carcinoma.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/
> Intakes of butter and margarine were associated with higher total mortality while intakes of canola oil and olive oil were related to lower total mortality.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121943/
> Unsaturated fatty rich oils like safflower, sunflower, rapeseed, flaxseed, corn, olive, basedbean, palm, and coconut oil were more effective in reducing LDL-C (−0.42 to −0.20 mmol/l) as compared with SFA-rich food like butter or lard. LDL-C predicted differences based on their fatty acid composition showed that each 10% of dietary energy from butter replaced by unsaturated fatty rich oils (−0.31 to -0.22 mmol/l) were in line with findings from the NMA
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34527059/
>Our findings revealed that flaxseed oil supplementation might play a beneficial role in the reinforcement of the antioxidant defense system and amelioration of oxidative stress in adults.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/
>Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases
>https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/7/2436/htm
>The addition of EVOO enhances the vasodilatory capacity of the brachial artery even in the short term
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.0000163185.28245.a1
> High SFA caused deterioration in FMD compared with high PUFA, MUFA, or CARB diets
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.114.010236
> These data provide support for current recommendations to replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat for primary prevention of CHD.
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-021-02507-1
>replacement of saturated fats with other macronutrients, such as polyunsaturated fats, was associated with reduced cardiovascular disease occurrence.
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.14.6.892
> reducing saturated fats is the key to lowering total and LDL cholesterol.
> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/4/1641/2844241?login=false
> Our data demonstrate that short-term administration of a diet high in polyunsaturated fats induces a greater level of ketosis and improves SI without negatively affecting total or LDL cholesterol levels
Surprised the thread is still going after this. We have so much human outcome data that not only shows that seed oils are safe, but are usually better for you than saturated fats.
You can't just say blatantly dishonest things, that's not ok
shut the frick up schizo. any serious medical professional that's not some shill with a vitamin line knows that seed oils are perfectly fine.
>seed oils are
proven to cause cancer heart disease and increase mortality
shoo shoo schizo
>any serious medical professional
Turns out medical professionals don't know jack shit about nutrition. They're trained only to repeat the party line at their Rockefeller foundation, Pfizer, Moderna, etc. funded university and sell drugs for those companies. The average doctor today is practically just a drug dealer.
not an argument. you sound like a woman.
the conversion is about 8% into EPA and 4% into DHA. 1tbs gives 900mg ALA so 900x.04 + 900x.08 = 108mg combined DHA and EPA. eat 2 tbs a day and you're at the range of a normal supplement. im not even saying dont eat fish or eggs or dairy. not sure why you're bringing this up.
>recommended ideal
recommended by who? experts? my experts say to consume vegetable oils because they are healthy.
>solvents
you know nothing
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https://youtube.com/shorts/7GadgWna46M?si=ZDZT8yNVnPxg5U_p
https://youtube.com/shorts/lUOh6_BkhBs?si=WLd9-9hGLY9E27RA
It's completely honest and common knowledge. There is no higher evidence than what was posted.
What is your motivation for dishonesty, and wanting your fellow man to suffer?
all that poster did was point to half a dozen links. whats your refference?
>human outcome data that not only shows that seed oils are safe, but are usually better for you than saturated fats
the hard outcomes shows exactly the opposite
no one reasonable is specifically shitting on PUFAs but the refinement process that degrades alot of healthy lipids and forms toxic shit like transfats that is most available for cooking oil. Virgin, unrefined seedoils are probably fine. High heat oils for cooking that goes past its smoking point, or the chemical refinement that you need to do to let an oil be used for high heat cooking - AKA 90% of junk food - is not great for you if you eat that shit every day.
no culture on earth has ever traditionally eaten anything like that consistently, which is a good indicator that its evolutionarily new to us and thus if its toxic we dont know how to deal with it efficiently or even get rid of it.
better at what? making people fat?
Daaamn that's crazy. Post body?
sneed oil shills never post body
Do sneed oil shiils even have a body to post or is it silicon?
>1972+52 AD
>still parroting the lipid hypothesis
HahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>rct from 2019
anon..
man is it really that difficult to go to google scholar and look up "processed oil" and find a review article to educate yourself?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8767382/
>Although refining extends oil shelf life, it has several disadvantages. One of the main disadvantages is the loss of substances responsible for healthy, pharmaceutical properties and technological interest in the oils, such as tocopherols, phospholipids, squalene, polyphenols, and phytosterols. >Another notable disadvantage of refining is the formation of undesirable compounds such as glycidyl ester, 3-MCPD-esters, harmful trans-fatty acids, and polymeric triacylglycerols.
Thats a review published in 2022 btw, in case you think that its outdated.
Go check their sources if you want to see why the refining products are harmful
You're still dancing around the actual comparative health effects and posting scary word salad. Which of these words makes you most scared?
>glycidyl ester, 3-MCPD-esters, harmful trans-fatty acids, and polymeric triacylglycerols
what do you want me to compare it with? their unrefined counterparts?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ejlt.202100149
>deodorization could lead to the formation of trans fatty acids....cold pressed ones are better due to absence of trans isomers
>considerable reduction in total sterols during neutralization and deodorization...[phytosterols] provide protection against chronic diseases...
>Tocols are known to reduce the risk of several diseases....Tocopherols are present in higher amounts in virgin oils compared to refined oils
>phenolic compounds have several beneficial properties...During the refining process, phenolics are removed to a certain extent.
>refining has several negative effects...reduction of health promoting minor components such as tocopherols, carotenoids, and phytosterols can...make vegetable oils weak in preventing cardiovascular disease
>consuming virgin oils with higher content of...phenolic compounds, tocopherol, and carotenoids with antioxidative properties can have beneficial effects on diabetoc patients.
Need anything more? theres plenty of comparative health studies here between refined and unrefined oils, from the same vegetable/seed. Take your pick
Ooh more scary words. Compare health outcomes of PUFA to SFA.
when have i ever mentioned PUFAs poofter?
Refined oils are worse than their unrefined, cold pressed counterparts because it lowers the antiinflammatory micronutrients profiles and can make transfats.
This is not controversial at all in the health literature. If you want to fix seed oils find better ways to refine them or dont chemically refine them at all.
>Compare health outcomes of PUFA to SFA.
Like this?
It's basically cruel to feed this to humans
, these companies and doctors are literally torturing us for profit
What shit are you pushing? there are plenty of rodent studies demonstrating higher weight gain on seed oil based chow compared to tallow based chow.
They killed people caused heart disease and cancer in multiple clinical trials. Any "evidence" they are good is not RCT based or not on hard outcomes like mortality but just soft measures like cholesterol.
>all those links to scientific studies and paragraph long discussions
All I'm sayin is, everyone I know who eats seed oils on the regular is fat. Yet I've yet to see anyone get fat from olive oil, eggs or milk. Simple as.
This. It's all right in front of my eyes
>NOOOOOO you must read le papers
No I don't think I will
We're so lucky that PUFA, which is healthy and science approved, just happens to be present in massive quantities in all the supermarket goyslop. It's great to know that food corporations are looking out for me.
And they are also 3 times cheaper than conventional cooking fats like olive oil and butter! Ain't that a charm guys?
How stunning and brave of our largest food conglomerates to care so much about our health.
Literally shaking and shiddin and fardin from the heckin wholesomeness!
>We're so lucky that WATER, which is healthy and science approved, just happens to be present in massive quantities in all the supermarket goyslop. It's great to know that food corporations are looking out for me.
>fluoride is safe
Yes
Thats why its used in rat poison then right? Safe and effective
Christ you're stupid.
>WELL THIS INGREDIENT IS IN THIS ONE BAD THING HURRDURUDRUDURU
Weird how feeding wheat germ by itself doesn't kill rats or cause any harm in humans.
>salt in the rat poison
frick guys, salt is toxic.
it is quite literally a neurotoxin.
>literally
You talk like a teenage girl.
Also prove it.
No anus.
You can be literal without assigning it to current conversational traits. It's an appropriately placed word within the context of the sentence.
And he is correct.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31856837/#:~:text=Second%2C%20systemic%20fluoride%20uptake%20is,fluoride%20passing%20into%20the%20brain.
I work for a municipal water supply and the amount of fluoride in your drinking water is damn near negligible unless Bill Gates owns your water utility. What you need to be worried about is things like chlorine, trihalomethane, and chromium which varies wildly from one water plant to the next. Generally speaking if you live near industry and your water is purified with bromides, cl3 then you should bare minimum be doing secondary filtration.
I heard that trhere was some connection between seed oils and sun burn, with people who have stopped consuming seed oils don't seem to get sunburnt.
Do any of you know anything that might cause this?
>No seeds oils, no sunburn
This happens to me. I live in ocenia where the sun is bad. I don't wear sunscreen.
Note how skin cancer rate has gone up some 17 fold in the past several decades, but the population time in the sun and has gone down. The sun doesn't cause cancer nor does it speed aging.
should i skip breakfast and just drink a straight shot of extra virgin olive oil instead?
>Can somebody explain why exactly seed oils are bad?
if they are extracted naturally, without heat or solvents, they are harmless, if they are extracted using heat and solvents they are inflamatory and wreck havoc on your health, because it's like poison running trough your veins, that's what causes cholesterol to accumkulate in the arteries, it's actually an healing process, if you keep eating shit you are always healing and never get better
>if they are extracted naturally, without heat or solvents, they are harmless
The digestive process has been proved to be sufficient to cause polyunsaturated fats to oxidize. Even if your cold pressed seed oils have somehow managed to not become rancid before you eat them )virtually impossible) then their inherent instability will ensure that they become so as soon as you eat them.
These foods didn't exist in the human diet prior to the most recent 100 years and it shouldn't come as a surprise that they're not good for you. The evidence is so overwhelming that I have absolutely no sympathy for people who reject it. Your health is your responsibility and no one else's and if you let some shills convince you that poisoning yourself with seed oils is fine then you fully deserve the inevitable consequences.
What foods are you missing out on that you need to so desperately defend seed oils? Prepackaged, processed foods? Fast food? Deep fried foods? You should never encounter seed oils unless you're eating things that you shouldn't be eating anyway for a variety of other reasons.
is avocado oil a seed oil
Yes
>is [oil made from seeds] a seed oil?
Bruh, really?
avocado oil is strained from the fruit's flesh not the seed THO
My bad. So it technically isn't, but actually is either rancid or literal basedbean oil
So what’s an oil that’s okay to use at higher smoke points than olive oil or butter?
Like I want to sear steak in my cast iron, what should I use? EVOO burns and smokes
you have your answer right there bud. Avocado oil. As far as we know its the healthiest high heat cooking oil option.
But a safer option would honestly be to not use such high heats in the first place. Even if you dont reach the smoking point, getting hot enough so its close still means that you still form unwanted potentially toxic products, just not as much as when you reach the smoking point.
Chemistry do be a b***h like that.
Its also not the healthiest option to sear meat aggressively in the first place since it increases the likelihood of burning reactions, but theres the obvious dilemma of not wanting to overcook meat while still getting a good maillard browning
ghee or tallow
How much fat do I actually need in a year?
The optimal fat intake for peak human health (as evidenced by both a century of research and the traditional diets of the healthiest and longest lived peoples all over the planet) is between 10-15% of total caloric intake. Going below 10% and over 15% is where you start to see negative health effects.
You do need fat in your diet but you need far, far less than most people get. For a standard 2000 calorie a day diet, two eggs would be all the fat you need for the day.
Don't tell me you're talking about Blue Zones.
Nice try, vegan.
>eggs
>vegan
Want to try that again?
post body
Oh, we should add palm oil to this as well, since like olive oil it's technically part of the fruit not the seed, although the secondary product palm kernel oil is part of the inside of the seed.
JUST ENJOY THE FRICKING MEME I POSTED FOR CHRIST SAKE AND SHUT THE FRICK UP!
No reason to argue with these people. If they want to poison themselves why should we fight to stop them?
Olive oil is not a seed oil. It is a fruit oil. It comes entirely from the flesh of oils and can be easily extracted by just crushing olives.
>why exactly seed oils are bad?
Excess omega 6. Omega 6 causes a variety of problems in excess including obesity, heart disease, and just general inflammation. And then there is the fact that seed oils have to be extracted from seeds using a variety of solvents and other chemical processes that leave carcinogenic residue in the oil.
Yummy goyslop give me now
Serve the bugs and spare the cow
Oh joyous day just for me
A massive goyslop factory
Smash the seeds up into paste
Don't forget to remove the waste
Then take out the remaining muck
And serve it to me for a buck
Oh what a wonder, I cannot wait
Now take it and put it on my plate
~Anonymous, 2020+4
MUH HECKIN PROCESSORINOS!!!
MUH HECKIN HEATING PROCESSES WELL ABOVE THE DIDDLERINO RESISTANCE LEVELS OF THE PRODUCT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE ITS ON THE SHELVES
MUH HECKIN BLEACH AND FILTER TO BE PALATABLE OF HUMANERINO CONSOOMERINO
Somehow butter, olive oil, animals fats are bad but all the processed shit is ok? also if that’s the case why is canola,sunflower, vegetable in all junk food ?
Butter is processed. Olive oil is processed.
>why is canola,sunflower, vegetable in all junk food ?
Because it's cheap. Cheese is in junk food too is dairy bad now? What about salt?
Actual butter and olive oil is not processed? You literally can buy raw milk and shake it the got butter. I’ve seen how olive oil is made it’s not processed.They add seed oils because it’s a cheap shitty filler like onions and adding a bunch of salt adds flavor ?
Don't bother. He's being pedantic.
butter is made by shaking milk and physically separating the fattty parts from the rest of the milk
virgin olive oil is just squeezed olive juice.
Physical processing is in no way the same as chemical processing. Thats like saying that peeling a banana is the same as using acids, heat, and bases to somehow remove the banana skin and praying that the banana flesh is somehow not fricked up
tell me why I shouldn't just stick to peanut butter instead of guzzling all these industrial lubricants?
Pure peanut butter or almond butter is good but a lot of them have palm oil or added sugars.
Everyone argues everything from bad faith, and everyone seems to wish harm on their fellow man, my pure nature will never understand that
I don't have any explanation except that my instincts tell me they are.
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/coconut-oil.shtml
https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-the-studies-say
https://chriskresser.com/should-you-really-be-taking-fish-oil/
https://chriskresser.com/how-too-much-omega-6-and-not-enough-omega-3-is-making-us-sick/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/precious-yet-perilous/
https://men-elite.com/2018/06/28/pufa-dangers-part-1-storage-mobilization-and-oxidation/
https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2011/11/26/fish-oil-toxicity/
https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/04/22/fatty-acid-composition-of-diet-reflected-in-fat-tissue/
https://anthonycolpo.com/the-great-polyunsaturated-swindle-new-research-reveals-previously-hidden-findings/
Our digestive/metabolic systems aren't adapted to be able to handle huge volumes of refined unsaturated fats
Think logically for a second. Humans evolved on a certain diet. Does it make sense to feast on a substance in quantities then impossible to obtain? Hm hm hm.
they make you fat and dead
just one of many.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8626637/
>Nepsilon-(Carboxymethyl)lysine (CML) is an advanced glycation end product formed on protein by combined nonenzymatic glycation and oxidation (glycoxidation) reactions. We now report that CML is also formed during metal-catalyzed oxidation of polyunsaturated fatty acids in the presence of protein. During copper-catalyzed oxidation in vitro, the CML content of low density lipoprotein increased in concert with conjugated dienes but was independent of the presence of the Amadori compound, fructoselysine, on the protein. CML was also formed in a time-dependent manner in RNase incubated under aerobic conditions in phosphate buffer containing arachidonate or linoleate; only trace amounts of CML were formed from oleate. After 6 days of incubation the yield of CML in RNase from arachidonate was approximately 0.7 mmol/mol lysine compared with only 0.03 mmol/mol lysine for protein incubated under the same conditions with glucose. Glyoxal, a known precursor of CML, was also formed during incubation of RNase with arachidonate. These results suggest that lipid peroxidation, as well as glycoxidation, may be an important source of CML in tissue proteins in vivo and that CML may be a general marker of oxidative stress and long term damage to protein in aging, atherosclerosis, and diabetes.
>These results suggest that lipid peroxidation, as well as glycoxidation, may be an important source of CML in tissue proteins in vivo and that CML may be a general marker of oxidative stress and long term damage to protein in aging, atherosclerosis, and diabetes.
Yes. Yes I can
I'd have to go out of my way to ingest them. Why should I?
Frick this thread and frick arguing with sciencegays. Im going to use coconut MCT oil for the rare occasion I bake something and you Black folk will just have to live with it