Why does Seed Oil make IST sperg out so much??
They're objectively good for you, and are much better than animal fats at least.
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Seed Oils Are Healthy
It’s mostly rightwing incels, not getting pussy does that to you I guess lol
why are you samegayging?
>trusting experts
I trust anonymous image board posters instead and call that doing my own research.
What is a «Bitcoin diet»?
>vice
vice is associating bitcoin with white males, and so its a dog whistle
crazy how drinking industrial waste becomes a political issue in the US where half the population will violently demand the right to drink waste and feel smug for doing so
The real reasoning is that they frick up your omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acid ratio.
except canola oil has a great 3:6 ratio
not advocating for sneed but this is a bad argument
Ok? other oils have good ratios too. Now do the one that is present in all grocery store food
>Provides 0 sources
Chudscience, ladies and gentleman!
>source
I took 500ug of LSD once and saw the truth
>source
a piece of paper written by a israeli woman with a four year degree. does that make you feel better? why?
israelites control everything including science moron
>listening to israelites
Nutrition related shit is filled with ignorant low-carb lunatics and grifters
Mostly fads. Shit takes off on Tiktok or Instagram, all the Zoomer morons start parroting it, and suddenly all the shitty fitness channels on Youtube are talking about it too.
Same shit as every fad diet, just more specific.
Like usual, there's grains of truth. They're less than ideal, but like every bit of diet advice that gets mindlessly parroted, it ignores that diet is always about what you are eating versus what you'd eat otherwise. Fricking potato chips are healthy if the alternative is eating sticks of butter.
it's not a fad, literally everyone and their grandmothers know that cooking oils aren't good for you, it's just really malicious when they're marketed as le heart healthy™
it's not a fad you moron
the production process is gross, I don't even care if it is healthy or not
the truthvus all fats are bad for you. sneedphobes need to stop associating themselves with ketoscum and should embrace the lowfat salvation. lowfat orthodoxy was common way of seeing nutrion in 90s. it was never fringe unlike low carb shit.
>the truthvus all fats are bad for you
dumb cultist
Pretty much this, I remember like first week of going to the gym the owner of the small BB gym told me that once I found the amount of fat that is enough to keep my hormones working just play with carbs with cutting. I only struggled with my bulks and cuts when I stopped following 90s broscience.
Enjoy your rice cakes and wonderbread, gay.
t. lived through nutrition in the '80's, never going back.
men are low test today cause we eat less saturated fat don't listen to these israelites
Avoiding seed oils is just an anti-semitic dog whistle, none of us actually care about avoiding canola oil. How do you not know this?
>none of us actually care about avoiding canola oil
I do, the only place rapeseed belongs is in your mamas pussy
Rule of thumb: if it needs to be heavily processed to not taste like shit, it's probably bad for you
Heat treatment destroys their nutritional properties and turns them carcinogenic- unless they have been cold-pressed they are extremely dangerous.
The only non-animal oils that are safe to use in cooking are EV olive oil, coconut oil, and MCT - no other oil should be heated to any degree.
Cold-presssed hempseed oil has a 3:1 omega 6:3 ratio and is hugely beneficial, but again should not be heated.
What about avocado oil?
Honestly no idea either way on that one, sorry.
This is pretty much the bible on oils at this time, but I see no mention of avacado.
Avocado oil is cold pressed like olive oil (no chemical bs), and it has a higher smoking point which makes it better for pan frying
I see no reason why it shouldn't be a good oil
Yeah it's probably healthy but it tastes like shit
>This is pretty much the bible on oils at this time
>obvious grift book
the state of the nutritional information ecosystem saddens me
dont care, not eating seed oils. cry about it
The same clinical trials that definitively proved they lower serum cholesterol also proved they cause cancer and kill you. For some reason the second part gets forgotten...
>imagine defending ultra-processed, bottom-of-the-barrel cheap shit that humans have literally never before consumed
>machine lubricant
You put this inside your body DELIBERATELY? Lol
don't look up in what conditions animals are slaughtered
OH SHIT THEY BLEACH STEAKS?
I don't live in a third world nation like USA. Cows live a long happy outdoor life before being slaughtered here
IST is filled with impressionable children that latch onto anything contrarian that people with a modicum of charisma spew, or are literally just roid trannies and the only reason they look the way they do is 100% the amount of roids they do
Seed oils are like 5% of the problem. If you can't deadlift your weight for 10 reps, or do a proper wall sit for 2 minutes, or do a proper plank for over a minute, or get 8 hours minimum of good deep sleep a night, or have healthy relationships / mental status, you have no business even mentioning anything related to diet. If you have all of these in order and you control your calories, you can live off of McDonalds, you just won't be super aesthetic. Diet means very little relative to the major things like sleep / mental mood / exercise.
The old saying is that you can't outlift a bad diet, well you can't outeat a bad fitness routine.
>saying machine lubricant is unhealthy is just le contrarianism
okay buddy...
not saying that at all, but in the grand scheme of things, it's absolutely worthless. The low hanging fruit is your fitness and mental health first. The only diet argument anyone has that is actually legitimate is added sugars and drinking things like sodas and sports drinks and shit like that.
95% of the benefits gained from a diet regimen is just controlling for calories and not getting fat, the remaining 5% is nutritionmaxxing with shit like avoiding anti nutrients / eating all the colors of vegetables / avoiding omega 6s / eating lots of omega 3s / getting proper mineral and vitamin intake / etc.
Eating machine lubricant is pennies compared to proper sleep and exercise.
your brain is made of fat. Why would the quality of fat you eat not matter?
properly demonstrate how the quality of fat you eat translates to a somehow better brain in any way and back this up with quality research
I guess the fat for my brain just materializes out of the ether. Thanks for clearing that up
You can materialize fat from carbs too you know.
I don't even know why it's always the vegans defending industrial sludge. There's coconut, avocado and olive oils that are fine.
No you can't make EPA or DHA from carbs.
Your body can make EPA and DHA from the ALA found in seed oils. Many civilizations survived without the consumption of fish.
Now I know you're a complete moron with absolutely no educational background or knowledge of nutrition so I'll spoonfeed you a study showing that even with the bad conversion rates, ALA is enough to improve omega 3 status.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20861171/
>Your body can make EPA and DHA from the ALA found in seed oils
Only in small amounts, as you literally said yoruself. Funny how we switched from carbs to ALA because I pointed out you were just saying bullshit.
You don't understand that people here are seeking nutrition to thrive, not to survive, you fricking mongrel. Post your pubmed.gov body.
No, you implied that there was only one way to get certain fats, another poster mentioned de novo lipogensis to which you responded that your body cant make DHA and EPA which then I responded that it can with ALA that is consumed with seed oils. You are even incapable of following a stream of consciousness. You are actually an insane person and there is no reason for anyone to listen to your uneducated unsourced ramblings.
>you implied that there was only one way to get certain fats
I didn't. My first post ITT was
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>your body cant make DHA and EPA
From carbs, nobody can make that.
>it can with ALA
Is ALA a carbohydrate? Also, it can only be made in garbage amounts, which is probably why you're so brain-damaged, and also completely ignored the most important part : post body.
Also you have no "good research" for your arbitrary beliefs this is 90% that is 10% its just your religion. Not even a compelling one at that
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864873/
high quality meta analysis on sleep
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18525377/
high quality meta analysis on exercise
very easy to back up what I claim.
Not what I said and not what you said. Like I said religion
I laid it out here
>Diet means very little relative to the major things like sleep / mental mood / exercise.
and here
>Eating machine lubricant is pennies compared to proper sleep and exercise.
You're patently wrong and a complete moron with no intelligence or cognizance, please continue being a subhuman ape
Neither of those articles are high quality or say what you think they do
They are the gold standard meta analysis with over 800,000 participants in one and 1.4 million participants in the other.
Please outline the faults in these studies and please offer your own studies that refute anything said in them and please offer your high quality meta analyses which support your opinion.
I don't have opinions on that topic you were the ones making claims. Kind of funny you think they're so meaningful because they're "meta-analysis" with "millions of people." Laughable really and shows a lack of understanding
Then by all means, refute them. I'm willing to listen. All you've done is spew nonsense with nothing to back it up. I already know you have no evidence beyond some anecdotes and even then those are from legitimately insane people.
They're just associations. They don't prove anything. The margins are large and there's enough noise as to make them meaningless. These "quality science" papers as you call it are not worth the paper they're written on. You'd know this if you weren't a complete ignoramus.
And before you say it the junk they put into it are not made more meaningful because its a "meta analysis" its still just a bunch of junk
None of the claims you made are validated by either of these
it's low hanging fruit for the average american goyim who gets 30% of their calories from seed oils
obesity would disappear if people just switched oils
You can outlift a bad diet.
Some of the greatest athletes of all times had "horrible" diets whatever that means for the nutrition obsessed crowd
Oh look it's another coper who can't face tough realities.
>I can't face the reality where muh favorite food is bad for me, so I'll write a paragraph coping
Sad! But it's not your fault. I've been there.
Basically I'm just not going to eat the sneed oils.
fricking canadians
i should have known
>IST is right about nopfap, noporn, eating eggs, eating meat, cast-iron or stainless steel cooking pots, fasting, semen retention, the israelites, weight-training,
>but on this one specific topic about using pufa seed oils for cooking, they are wrong
Sure, OP. Why don't you just trust us, when we have been right about everything else so far already?
We evolved eating animal fats. We didn't evolve eating seed oils, because they didn't even exist. No number of dodgy activist-studies is going to reverse this basic biological fact.
As for inflammation, plant fats are all highly inflammatory. They not only contain much higher levels of PUFAs but their ratios are completely lopsided for our optimal consumption because, again, we didn't evolve eating that garbage therefore we are not adapted to its digestion. Keep your vegan activism on reddit.
That's a historical claim, not a biological fact. And there is no reason to draw conclusions about positive health effects from that.
Ultrarefined oils arent well researched, everything is based on hunches. There is a general decline in cardiovascular health that is largely unexplained, but is proven not to come from increased calorie intake and sedentary lifestyles. So its some product, and refined oils and processed foods are major suspects in research circles. Its hard to fund good research when the food industry has both EU and american politicians in their pockets
>the food industry has both EU and american politicians in their pockets
You don't think the beef and dairy industry would love to be able to point to the science that says seed oils are bad? Or you don't think the beef and dairy industry is one of the most powerful corporate lobby groups in the world?
Come back when you can make sense
beef and dairy are busy lobbying for themselves. The idea that those industries are in opposition to each other is absurd.
I'm classing beef and dairy and a single lobbying group against sneed oils
Of course the cow farming industry is in competition with the sneed industry. If sneed was demonstrably bad for human health you bet your ass cow lobbyists would be all over it
Why do you fricking bother? If you want to pump yourself full of sneed oils, go right ahead. Destroy your health and die. Nothing you say or do or post will make anyone change their mind.
i hate how sneed oil threads always devolve into morons accusing sneed oil apologists as vegans (to my shock, there are actually some vegans who defend this crap), if anything, vegans who look somewhat good like Mcdougall don't consume this shit and always tell his patients to stay away from them (well, fats in general)
CREDIT SUISSE STUDIED FAT: https://research-doc.credit-suisse.com/docView?language=ENG&format=PDF&source_id=csplusresearchcp&document_id=1053247551&serialid=MFT6JQWS%2B4FvvuMDBUQ7v7PP7ol9EaneQKi2Z8XT9V0%3D&cspId=null
https://drcate.com/seed-oils-questions-answers-for-your-health/
https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g7255/rr
https://openheart.bmj.com/content/5/2/e000898
The United States saw a catastrophic rise in heart disease during the mid-20th century most likely related to changes in dietary linoleic acid intake.
Researchers found a significant disparity in the incidence and prevalence of heart disease, with cultures eating pre-industrial diets having extremely low incidence, if any, compared to populations eating industrialized diets.
Before any human trials had been conducted, leading public health organizations assumed that lowering serum cholesterol levels and increasing seed oil consumption would lead to better health outcomes.
In the United States, steadily rising seed oil consumption drove linoleic acid intake up from 2% of calories in the early 1900s to around 8.9-9.4% by 2010.
By the late 20th century, research had revealed that the susceptibility of LDL particles to oxidation was a much better predictor of heart disease than changes in total cholesterol or LDL cholesterol levels.
Numerous human clinical trials demonstrate that, like smoking, increased seed oil consumption increases LDL’s susceptibility to oxidation, posing a major concern when it comes to cardiovascular disease.
Like smoking, seed oil consumption also induces oxidative stress, induces insulin resistance, damages the arterial endothelial wall, and increases oxidized LDL – a common mechanism that causes heart disease.
>pretty much every study suggest there is no difference in mortality (or a healthier outcome) in people who eat mostly seed oils vs. those who don't
woops looks like your thinly taped together "mechanistic" hypothesis doesn't hold up when you directly test the health effects of eating more seed oils.
nobody's "directly" tested the health effects of eating more seed oils moron. all nutrition "studies" are absolute fricking garbage unless you keep people in a controlled environment with rigorous logging of their food for decades. self reported data isn't worth shit
Linoleic acid is a chemically unstable fat with important signaling functions when consumed in evolutionarily appropriate amounts. The introduction of seed oils dramatically increased linoleic acid consumption, and this increase created a large burden of primary and secondary oxidation products, which are cardiotoxic to both humans and other animals.
Decades of human clinical studies looking at how different fats affect heart disease risk are rife with confounding variables and category errors. When these flaws are accounted for, the results flip from favoring linoleic acid to revealing a consistent signal of harm. This signal is all the more reliable given that all populations prior to the introduction of seed oils show low rates of heart disease. And once these pre-seed oil populations start consuming them, including the U.S. in the last hundred years, heart disease rates start to climb.
Given that increasing dietary linoleic acid above evolutionarily appropriate levels consistently increases heart disease mortality and all-cause mortality, one of the safest approaches to preventing heart disease may be to avoid seed oils.
/thread
So both potatoes and sunflower oil are healthy? Then why are french fries considered junk food?
If something has to be separated with a solvent then deodorized to be deemed fit for consumption by an authoritative body, that automatically means it's healthy in my book
>butter
>contains no dairy
It's the American way
To me it's like, there's no loss from cutting this nasty shit, you can have a great diet without it so why not just cut it?
For me, it’s olive oil, butter, and animal fat. I do not care about sneed oil memes these just taste the best.
Try making your burgers with beef tallow next time, it’s fricking godly.
homemade hamburger buns made sneed oil free. once you realize seed oils are in everything you basically have to cook everything from scratch.
>microwave
Just use sticky rice or sweet potato buns bro. Wheat flour sucks.
>implying those don’t contain some sort of cheap industrial oil
>rice and taters contain oil
>rice and tater BUNS
ingredients: rice
Linoleic acid is contained in high volumes in foods rich in Polyunsaturated fats, such as sunflower oil, seasame oil, or basedbean oil. Linoleic acid is also metabolically toxic to all animal life, damaging the mitochrondria in your very cells, leaving you with less energy and more fatigue than if you ate something lower in linoleic acid, such as coconut oil, butter, or olive oil.
Google could tell you eating shit is good for you and you would believe it.
>They're objectively good for you
But that is false, moronic and false, the harmful properties of seed oils were discovered 100 years ago, every single study that tried to prove they are better than saturated fats has failed and even proved the opposite, minnesota coronary experiment.
There is zero reason for seed oils, they are just a marketing scam.
Some are good some are bad. Its not black and white