Upon digestion it just breaks down into it's compositional amino acids, just like any other protein. You're not getting collagen in your bloodstream, and it's not getting to your skin as some sort of puzzle piece replacement.
It doesn't matter supposing the collagen is broken down into amino acids, the amino compositon of collagen is beneficial in itself. Most dietary sources of protein are lacking in glycine for instance, which collagen has in abundance. Not only that but studies have demonstrated that specifically hydrolyzed collagen peptides to make their way into the bloodstream intact, but again this is just a bonus.
Upon digestion it just breaks down into it's compositional amino acids, just like any other protein. You're not getting collagen in your bloodstream, and it's not getting to your skin as some sort of puzzle piece replacement.
the main benefit of collagen is glycine. its what it's broken down to by your digestion and the only thing in it you are lacking. you can buy glycine in bulk and it's way cheaper than beauty collagen products marketed to women. some of those collagen supps come with vitamins and stuff to aid your body in absorbing it if that's a factor for you. you could just supplement them seperately tho
Collagen from the proteins aisle is only slightly more expensive than the normal whey so i keep some around to throw spoonful or two in my shakes when i feel hungrier
i don’t know what to believe anymore. im too moronic to moron scientific papers and IST will tell you shit like it’s possible to burn water. im just going to take it and hope it works and if it doesnt, i don’t care, at least the placebo will make me feel better
I researched it and bought some,
Its not 100% proven either way but its gotten so popular because tons of people think it works for them.
take it 30 minutes before you run or lift preferably along with a bit of vitamin C. because that's the main time your ligaments and joints have good blood flow, then your body has the building blocks to make cartilage in the blood at the right time, some study showed taking gelatin before workouts it somewhat helped cartilige building , gelatin is just longer chains of the same thing.
Most people dont eat chicken skin and ligaments or make bone broth soup anymore. And vegans obviously get worse skin over time so it checks out.
Tons of women claim it made their hair and nails grow faster or be stronger as well
People say its like 3 months of daily use to notice anything at best and its not a miracle cure.
You have to eat a few pounds of it to make a difference. If you are buying a meme supplement with 1g collagen pills, you aren't taking enough to make a difference.
For me it removed some serious knee damage I had, and also seemed to make my body much more robust against stress and anxiety. Sometimes in a stressed state I can feel the collagen proteins (probably glycine) being released into my bloodstream and buffering stress because it has a characteristic taste.
I also seem to effortlessly gain lean muscle mass every time I take it, which makes sense because collagen synthesis is a rate limiting step in growing big - which is why roiders tear ligaments.
Yeah this shit definately works, and people who bash it probably haven't tried it themselves and misunderstand how it works. The body cannot synthesize enough glycine to maintain healthy collagen levels, especially if you are rapidly putting on muscle, or if you are growing old.
It's also very good for the liver.
Ray Peat has a good article on it.
For all the talk about protein optimization - stuff like minimizing methionine, cysteine and tryptophan - the only practical way to do it is supplementing collagen.
>stuff like minimizing methionine, cysteine and tryptophan - the only practical way to do it is supplementing collagen.
Ray Peat has a lot of articles and writing on protein optimization. Methionine accumulates in muscle tissue with age and is associated with increased mortality risk. One of the famous longevity studies found that methionine restriction is the most effective way to increase lifespan, and was equally as effective as calorie restriction. However glycine helps the liver to deplete excess methionine, so supplementing collagen theoretically accomplishes the same health benefits, with much less pain involved.
the main benefit of collagen is glycine. its what it's broken down to by your digestion and the only thing in it you are lacking. you can buy glycine in bulk and it's way cheaper than beauty collagen products marketed to women. some of those collagen supps come with vitamins and stuff to aid your body in absorbing it if that's a factor for you. you could just supplement them seperately tho
>The body cannot synthesize enough glycine to maintain healthy collagen levels
so do you think I could just supplement gylcine instead?
I have a few different joint aches and pains and I'm not even that old. wondering if glycine/collagen might fix it
so annoying seeing all these midwits blurting out their garbage opinions.
Collagen peptides are shown to be directly absorbed. No breaking down into amino acids. No vitamin c bullshit needed. It's not the same as collagen from diet which gets digested normally.
i take collagen for skin gains and it works unironically
Dose?
1g
seems very low. I read that you should take 10-15g?
20
All I keep hearing is that it's pointless to take collagen, not sure how true that is
Why would it be pointless?
Something about it not being able to be absorbed from your food intake or some shit like that
Steve Reeves said it works and he had better skin than any of these homies who never post body.
It doesn't matter supposing the collagen is broken down into amino acids, the amino compositon of collagen is beneficial in itself. Most dietary sources of protein are lacking in glycine for instance, which collagen has in abundance. Not only that but studies have demonstrated that specifically hydrolyzed collagen peptides to make their way into the bloodstream intact, but again this is just a bonus.
Upon digestion it just breaks down into it's compositional amino acids, just like any other protein. You're not getting collagen in your bloodstream, and it's not getting to your skin as some sort of puzzle piece replacement.
What's weird though is some studies show wrinkle improvement by 10% or some shit like that.
it's cheap so yeah, why not
the main benefit of collagen is glycine. its what it's broken down to by your digestion and the only thing in it you are lacking. you can buy glycine in bulk and it's way cheaper than beauty collagen products marketed to women. some of those collagen supps come with vitamins and stuff to aid your body in absorbing it if that's a factor for you. you could just supplement them seperately tho
Thanks for that info
I might go bulk buy some glycine
I'm assuming that glycine will still offer ligament health?
Collagen from the proteins aisle is only slightly more expensive than the normal whey so i keep some around to throw spoonful or two in my shakes when i feel hungrier
i don’t know what to believe anymore. im too moronic to moron scientific papers and IST will tell you shit like it’s possible to burn water. im just going to take it and hope it works and if it doesnt, i don’t care, at least the placebo will make me feel better
Short answer: no
Long answer: no
I researched it and bought some,
Its not 100% proven either way but its gotten so popular because tons of people think it works for them.
take it 30 minutes before you run or lift preferably along with a bit of vitamin C. because that's the main time your ligaments and joints have good blood flow, then your body has the building blocks to make cartilage in the blood at the right time, some study showed taking gelatin before workouts it somewhat helped cartilige building , gelatin is just longer chains of the same thing.
Most people dont eat chicken skin and ligaments or make bone broth soup anymore. And vegans obviously get worse skin over time so it checks out.
Tons of women claim it made their hair and nails grow faster or be stronger as well
People say its like 3 months of daily use to notice anything at best and its not a miracle cure.
You have to eat a few pounds of it to make a difference. If you are buying a meme supplement with 1g collagen pills, you aren't taking enough to make a difference.
For me it removed some serious knee damage I had, and also seemed to make my body much more robust against stress and anxiety. Sometimes in a stressed state I can feel the collagen proteins (probably glycine) being released into my bloodstream and buffering stress because it has a characteristic taste.
I also seem to effortlessly gain lean muscle mass every time I take it, which makes sense because collagen synthesis is a rate limiting step in growing big - which is why roiders tear ligaments.
Yeah this shit definately works, and people who bash it probably haven't tried it themselves and misunderstand how it works. The body cannot synthesize enough glycine to maintain healthy collagen levels, especially if you are rapidly putting on muscle, or if you are growing old.
It's also very good for the liver.
Ray Peat has a good article on it.
For all the talk about protein optimization - stuff like minimizing methionine, cysteine and tryptophan - the only practical way to do it is supplementing collagen.
>stuff like minimizing methionine, cysteine and tryptophan - the only practical way to do it is supplementing collagen.
Ray Peat has a lot of articles and writing on protein optimization. Methionine accumulates in muscle tissue with age and is associated with increased mortality risk. One of the famous longevity studies found that methionine restriction is the most effective way to increase lifespan, and was equally as effective as calorie restriction. However glycine helps the liver to deplete excess methionine, so supplementing collagen theoretically accomplishes the same health benefits, with much less pain involved.
>The body cannot synthesize enough glycine to maintain healthy collagen levels
so do you think I could just supplement gylcine instead?
I have a few different joint aches and pains and I'm not even that old. wondering if glycine/collagen might fix it
I take a scoop (like 25g) of collagen daily but I'm thinking of adding glycine too. Any dosage recommendations?
so annoying seeing all these midwits blurting out their garbage opinions.
Collagen peptides are shown to be directly absorbed. No breaking down into amino acids. No vitamin c bullshit needed. It's not the same as collagen from diet which gets digested normally.
Can't you just eat gelatin instead|?
You should not ingest any powdered supplement that has been solvent extracted and bleached
Yes.
You should be simmering fatty cuts of meat with bone and lots of connective tissue for an even better source too