I notice that my forehead skin isn't as tight and some other parts of my face.I look at people in their early 20s and younger and the difference is night and day. I'm not talking about wrinkles, I'm talking about loss of tightness. I don't drink,smoke, or go outside. There's nothing I can do about it besides surgery from what I'm reading. Should I get a facelift?
Should have taken care of your skin
You can't bring back the elastin
Not OP but QRD on this shit?
Skin tightness is due to elastin which you are born with. It depletes with age. It depletes faster due to things like damage from the sun. You have to start protecting your skin asap (but you won't be tan and you might not get enough vitamin d). Your face starts sagging over time due to gravity constantly pulling down on it.
Also collagen production starts declining after 20.
I honestly only care if girls notice it, I have a feeling it will affect my dating pool.
Get some chemical peels done.
Will hanging upside down for a few hours a day negate the effects aging?
What do you mean I use cleanser and moisturizer every night.
Sunscreen? Actives? Retinoids?
You're just aging normally otherwise
I only go out at night, currently on tretinoin for a couple months now. I should've worn sunscreen but I go out for 2 hours max a week.
But did you do it throughout your life? The damage is cumulative.
Also if you don't wear sunscreen and moisturise while on tret you will damage it even more
I dont wear sunscreen unless I go out, I set up my room in a way that theres barely any sunlight that comes in my room. I should have been more dilligent with sunscreen though despite being a basement dweller. It's over.
Thats life
This homie is wearing sunscreen and not even going out in the sun lmao do you also walk thru your house with an umbrella in case uv rays penetrate?
kek the cope, he's getting UV right now.
Wear the sunscreen or you'll end up like OP kids!~
isn't sunscreen bad for you too?
>cleanser and moisturiser
Dogshit, you're wasting money.
Its cheap and tret dries the skin
Look into derma rolling and tretinoin. Only effective home treatments
I'm on tret for a couple months now and it's only made my skin shinier. Is dermarolling damaging long term?
>or go outside.
kek, found you're problem
>just touch grass and women (consensually)
I should have went outside more before I started walling.
Yeah pretty much
I never got the chance to live.
You're still pretty young. Start today.
Should I get plastic surgery to deal with aging?
Actually you are too young for facelifts. You're being a bit too harsh on yourself
I just want to know if girls notice this more than I do, I get real close to the mirror to analyze myself.
You could do botox to delay wrinkling and reduce lines but thats kinda gay and it might lead to you doing more procedures and getting bogged. Also, i don't think women care too much about that.
You can get filler around the eyes but its somewhat risky under thr eye
Just look up the looksmax forum and actually find out what women think about you. You're probably fine.
Its the loss of volume under the eyes that bother me. Chad Pitt has it too here, it's actually worse than mine but he has god tier genetics to make up for it. Mine will look like his in a couple of years so it's a ticking time bomb. Is he actually 30+ here?
The movie was from 1998 so yeah, like 34-35. If you're worried about your face sagging, particularly your eyes, remember to mew. You can try facial massages to increase blood flow to the face and exercises to tighten the eyes (just look them up on youtube). I'd also recommend not looking at screens at least an hour before bed and get some bare sunlight onto your skin and in your eyes early in the morning to set your circadian rhythm right.
Great tips, I started mewing 7 years ago and noticed a difference for sure. I have to do all those things mentioned in the latter half though. I pretty much sleep through the whole day unless I have an appointment so I have to fix my sleep schedule. Do you put on sunscreen before getting sunlight in the morning if only for a brief moment? Also what sunscreen do you use, they all feel like shit to me.
I don't use sunscreen at all. I'm white but I tan instead of burn so as long as you've built up a tan you should be decently resilient. The positive health aspects of sunlight outweigh the possibly increased aging, plus you aren't spreading toxic shit all over your skin. But yeah sleep schedule and good sleep hygiene are definitely a must. How you sleep can 100% bump you up or drop you a couple points. In addition to limiting screen time before bed I'd also limit porn use and try to not spend your free time in front of a screen. For instance I've been practicing not watching Youtube while eating or brushing my teeth. Also positive thoughts do wonders. Stay away from places that instantly put you in a bad mood e.g. pol, political news/spheres on youtube, instagram, tiktok etc. Also maybe squintmax like my boy Brosnan here. He's 42 in this pic. Aging gracefully is definitely doable.
Mewing definitely helps prevent your face sagging better than not mewing. Your bones are malleable for your whole life. You should be practicing proper tongue posture and breathing anyway.
After reading those tips, I'm convinced the stress from being in a bad mood fricked my sleep. I was at the worst point in my life from 23-27 so it did a number on me. I can't really quit screens because my life revolves around it because no friends,gf,family. Can you elaborate more on good hygiene besides moisturize and cleanse? I lift but do you think cardio can help with aging too? The dude looks good but I bet he looked even better when he was in his 20s. There are clear signs of aging though, you can see the laughlines and sagging of the cheeks coming in.
What goes on in your mind does reflect in your appearance, so yeah avoiding stress and not looking at bad news and avoiding negative people is great. If you haven't looked into stoicism, I'd do that. Marcus Aurelius' notes in the book Meditations did me wonders and helped me stop being a worry wart. Basically stoicism allows you to mentally deal with the absurdity and unfairness of life. For hygiene I don't have an advanced skincare routine. Mostly splash my face with water in the morning. An occasional clay mask to get rid of the sebaceous filaments on my nose. Sometimes use a cleanser with salicylic acid. I moisturize skin with aloe vera gel. Moisturize lips with petroleum jelly (shouldn't do this, use beef tallow or something natural). The best skincare is to avoid shit foods. I don't eat fast food, cook my meals (lots of easy recipes involving eggs, pasta, rice, beef, chicken, salmon), avoid seed oils such as canola oil, crisco, literal industrial lubricants used in food. I cook my food with olive oil or butter. Avoid candy.
>I bet he looked even better when he was in his 20s
He grew into his looks. Here he is in his early 20s I believe. He peaked in his 30s-early 40s. Some guys look better as their face masculinizes with age. That's why I'm not too worried about some wrinkles or whatever. They can help you look more manly.
>use beef tallow
I meant tallow balm, sorry lmao. Also on exercising yeah cardio is great but I wouldn't overdo it. I've heard not to do more than 30 minutes in a row if you're running regularly but I don't know enough about that. There are some oldass marathon runners that are still in great shape.
>I don't use sunscreen at all.
moronic
>I'm white but I tan instead of burn so as long as you've built up a tan you should be decently resilient.
False
>The positive health aspects of sunlight outweigh the possibly increased aging
There are none except for vitamin D which you can supplement
>plus you aren't spreading toxic shit all over your skin.
False again, sunscreen has never showed to be toxic and there are sunscreens (mineral) that don't get absorbed into your skin.
But the best is a chemical sunscreen with bemotrizinol, it's safe and gives the best protection
You know a tan is just a sign of skin damage right? The cells get damaged and tries to protect themselves. You only get sunburned if your cells die, but the damage is done nonetheless
Out of all the moronation in this thread I think we have a winner
He's correct, though.Sunscreen is full of benzene and other nasty chemical shit, and sun exposure is incredibly good for you not only for vitamin d. The bad cancers come from burning, not from tanning. Spend plenty of time outdoors starting in the winter or spring before the light is as harsh and you can easily build up a nice, natural tan without burning.
>He's correct, though.
No he isn't.
>Sunscreen is full of benzene and other nasty chemical shit
If you're afraid of chemical sunscreens you can buy mineral ones that don't penetrate the skin, but the chemical ones have not shown to have any effect on humans in any of the studies and are safe to use.
>sun exposure is incredibly good for you not only for vitamin d.
No it's not, tell me the benefits you talk about.
>The bad cancers come from burning, not from tanning.
The cancer is caused by cell damage, a tan is a result of cell damage and cells trying to protect themselves. A burn is caused by DEAD cells.
>Spend plenty of time outdoors starting in the winter or spring before the light is as harsh and you can easily build up a nice, natural tan without burning.
Again, a tan is caused by cell damage, cancer is caused by cell damage, a tan increases your likelihood of cancer. Else a tanning bed would be safe because you're not getting burnt but they are not.
btw, they've found the chemicals in sunscreen in people's brain matter. It's a series of recent findings that haven't been well explored, but I would only suggest using sunscreen if you're going to be fully exposed for more than 20 minutes at a time. There's weird heavy metals in sunscreen and you absorb that shit into your brain? Who know what that does nothing good I'm sure. Wear a hat and age gracefully women don't care about a couple wrinkles if you're fit and have charisma.
>if you're fit and have charisma.
so I really need to make sure I don't get wrinkles, got it.
Mewing is cope over 25. It doesn't bring back fat.
WTF is mewing? Like a cat?
Take the Meowpill
All you can do is filler but its risky. You also have to ask yourself if its worth it and what you want out of it.
fillers stay on your face for years. not worth it.
op, age gracefully and take care of what you have now. you can take tips from Korean skin care.
Thats a positive then
I just don't get why they can't just lift up the skin between under your eye socket area to reduce laugh lines. It's always fillers that will inevitably bog you. It does look nice in handpicked before and afters though.
Retinols reduce lines
They cant do it because of how the face is structured also its expensive and it looks uncanny anyway. Thats the tradeoff.
I don't have those forehead lines just the under eye hollowing seen in the before photo here, although not as bad. Looking at the after shot, the results look very natural.
Just research it. Its risky.
Ueah just givr up again and brcome even more miserable and bitter before you're even 40. Great idea.
Lower blepharoplasty is the way
you would have walled faster then.
i have read so much into this i know literally everything about it, every single compound that is worth knowing about and how it affects you, i have a perfect routine i've used for 2 years which i update and i have REVERSED my skin damage/age, i dont have a single wrinkle anymore, my skin is tighter and plump again.
It goes way beyond skin tho, your skin is only as good as you treat the rest of your body, it's an organ and its health depends fully on how healthy you as a person are.
>you're
It's not tightness, it's volume that is lost. If you don't have good bone structure it's even worse
>bros why do i look old at 30
Because you are, homosexual, you let it get to this. Every true man kills himself before 28 to avoid this fate.
You think girls notice it too?
>meanwhile Chad Pitt in his mid 30s
Just don't be a little b***h and you'll be fine
>movie clip
You can't use this. Its affected by studio lighting and makeup
Also hes rich, healthy and had some work done over time
Tran Pitt is a troon
Why do you care OP? By your age sure you already have it made with wife and kids? No one expects a father to look young.
I wasted my youth and never got to live it. I fell deep into that blackpill shit which took years of my life.
And your plan now is what exactly? You're never gonna sleep with the women you wanted to sleep with in your 20s. That ship has sailed. Realize you'll have to go for damaged goods and get your shit together to the point where you can pick out the least damaged package. At this point you will have to compromise. No woman want a man who obsesses over looking young.
Fighting a losing battle op
Time to LDAR?
Yeah, the goal is to slow down aging
Reversing it results in bogging most of the time. Sometimes it can work with things like hair transplants and lip lifts.
Yeah it’s over for me aswell. I will never get back my youthful glow and all the mires I was getting at 27-30 are all gone, I have some good looking friends who are 28 and they are slaying rn and they are trying to get me to go back in the game with them but they don’t understand that it’s fricking over. Pic rel is me. I look 40 at 31
I think you're a little mentally ill
1. A funko pop obsessed reaction guy with a shitty sense of humor doing cringy vlogs in your car while talking to the camera in your OUTSIDE VOICE INSIDE ALL THE TIME to your following of 8th graders. "Can you BELIEVE this guy is for REAL?" you ask them rhetorically, and they snort their Prime zoomer juice from behind their LED-lit computer screens.
2. a rugged badass providing for his son in the ghostly ruins of human civilization following an all-out nuclear exhange. You've managed to survive the collapse, because unlike the former guy who would bleed out on the floor of an empty Dominos after a run-in with bandits, you're a former Navy SEAL who served as a sniper in Mali.
You've just met a fellow survivor, and it can go either way. He might be armed. You're sizing him up. "Keep your hands where I can see them," you demand in a stern tone of voice, not out rudeness, but vigilance. You sense that he's one of the good guys: "I'm putting together a team."
wtf did i just read
You look 10x better on the bottom
Bruh you went from Wesley Crusher to William Riker, this is absolutely an improvement.
idk if bait or mentally ill but your skin barely changed
You look fine. Men aren’t supposed to be glowing pretty. Embrace the refined look and go Hemingway or Kennedy mode aging gracefully doesn’t necessarily mean looking young into old age it means realizing aging is part of being a man along with all the other shit that comes with it good or bad
You should write a book on how to be a man, haha!
Not him but what else are you going to do? You will continue aging unless you rope yourself now. No amount of cope supplements or procedures will keep you looking 20
Total lie and I am living proof of it, I look younger today than I did 5 years ago.
Sure you do
I do and I'm going to sell it all as a PDF
A whole lot of shit you don’t want to do but have to, and a little bit of what you want to in between. Then you die, the end.
to be fair in the 29 pic it was afternoon and i was with my ex gf at the car and the lighting was a little shit. in the 31 pic i had better light and my hair was somewhat wet, so it's not fair. my ex gf told me that she doesn't like my beard.
>ex
So frickin what. Everyone likes something different I’ve had b***hes ask me to fart on them
>listening to your ex
>talking to your ex
She was a lookmaxxer and she was always grooming me and buying me the latest clothes because she wanted me to be fashionable, she even bought the jaw bite thing. its over.
Also she lives next door in my neighbor and her mother was always the rich b***h type karen and she always wanted me shaven. I was the one breaking up and she still calls me after a year. My current gf likes my beard and hair tho
>listening to your ex
>talking to your ex
Care to explain yourself, anon?
Utterly low IQ thread, no wonder the other boards are mocking us constantly.
Exactly 30 you turn 80 in looks everyone all the time down to the second.
Damn your stupid op.
>low iq
Projecting
There must be some genetic component to skin. I'm not saying the skin in your 30s is the same as an 18 year old of course but I've seen 35s looking like 50 year olds and others looking about 25-30
start using retinol and take hyaluronic acid with collagen.
>Signs of aging at 30
>B-b-but I did everything I was supposed to do!
Grifters really have you wholeheartedly believing that as long as you purchase all the right skincare potions and diligently keep up with all of their advice, you can look 25 forever. And if you age at all, well, you must not have followed step 3 in their Top 15 Anti-Aging Hacks that they pinned on their Tiktok, and you definitely didn't buy their collagen supplements.
Don't worry anon, there are new flavors of the month, like derma rolling and nuclear grade retinol. Here are some copium articles about new skincare products in the pipeline. Plastic surgery is more advanced than ever. Here's a superfood you can eat. All sorts of new things you can purchase, all sorts of new tips packaged into social media content for you to consume. Keep worrying about your signs of aging, it's totally in your control. Just don't forget, it's absolutely over for you once you get your first wrinkles.
>Should I get a facelift?
Exercise, eat well, moisturize. You can't escape aging, so don't worry too much.
Also, you are a man (probably). Age and skin arent that important for you anyway.
>Exercise
Stop exercising, it will age you
Actually its the complete reverse
Dwpends on the duration and intensity. Hiit will not harm you but a marathon will
The only de-aging you need is a rope, troony.
Millennial genetics and Millennial lifestyle of IPA and bacon consumption
Someone give me Tret source in Europe
What kind of homosexual actually cares about this shit
Sauna
If you're a man it literally doesn't matter. Keep in shape and any signs of aging will just make you seem rugged and grizzled, which is cool. Maybe grow a short beard if you don't have one already.
If you're a woman it's over I guess
what kind of stupid do you have to believe this? no one likes old wrinkly skin
Every other woman I meet has a 'daddy complex'. Maybe you just don't meet women.
This is true
Im and old frick and at 31 regularly fricking zoomie b***hes. When i was younger more baby face looking girls were way less attracted
Holy shit this thread is so moronic. So you frick younger girls therefore everyone lurking here should just look like an old nutsack like you do? Great moron we have here.
I frick butt ugly young girls as an old fart and you guys don’t!
This is all true except for balding.
Balding is a death sentence for male attractiveness to young women. Other things like having some laugh lines don't really matter and even make you a little bit handsome, especially if you have a decent beard.
Time for your sex change, insecure twink
I'm 32 and I don't have any wrinkles yet aside from one or two fine lines under my eyes. Dunno if that's normal.
UVA can penetrate glass, if you sit home next to the window a lot you might want to consider sunscreen.
And use glasses or contacts if you have poor vision
TRETINOIN
>be from bongland
>friends in school were obsessed with tanning
>they even used sunbeds
>some morons even used baby oil to burn/tan faster
>I was always mocked as the pale ghost
>visit my hometown aged 30
>they all look about 15 years older than me
imagine my shock
The lack of tightness can be caused by a lack of cologen, don't just take a collogen supplement but instead book a microneedling treatment. It's legit and has many uses for improving skin, like filling in acne scars and such. Very good stuff, I've gone through legit studies that show it works. Don't do it yourself.
PRP or just regular stuff?
microneedling is the dumbest fad that has even been invented by the beauty industry, the only thing it does is damage the skin further and you will not see an increase in collagen because the collagen in scar tissue and regular tissue differs. You do not want to do microneedling if you care about your skin, it will only age you.
Remember that cell damage = aging
The precursors to collagen; proline and glycine, as well as hydroxyproline, are best found in animal foods. Just eat a sensible diet high in animal foods, avoid inlammatory modern foods or unnatural levels of UV or radiation exposure and your skin will be great. There's no need to smother garbage over your skin or avoid the sun.
The rapid ageing of people who avoid animal foods should be used as a lesson.
Fast once a month. Don't use makeup. Don't use any beauty products in general. Only wash your face with water. Eat lots of chicken liver, tendons, ligaments, and cartilage.
Get off the internet
Seriously
is that a threat?
>is that a threat?
No, just a warning
None of this shit is good for your mental health. Go moisturize or something and forget this place and these people
You're not vegan are you?
If so stop
Otherwise Hyaluronic acid 120mg twice daily and a scoop of collagen powder everyday for 60 days
You should see marked improvement within 3 weeks though 8-12 for the full effect
Collagen powder literally does nothing for you that normal protein powder doesn't.
>amino acids aren't real bro
what's "abnormal" about collagen protein anyway?
>eat protein powder
>break it down into fundamental amino acids
>body purposes them to areas of need
>eat collagen powder
>break it down into fundamental amino acids
>body purposes them to areas of need
You're just buying more expensive protein powder.
>momscience
keep it on facebook
>basic biochemistry of digestion
If your tiny moron brain can't handle this then just enjoy paying for literally nothing for no reason.
that doesn't follow
>break it down into fundamental amino acids
not exactly how it works. peptides can be assimilated whole
protein powders don't all have the same amino acid profile either
collagen is bunk
pretty well proven at this stage
Nah you're wrong and the video below got a good explanation as to why, all the studies are referenced in the description
I'm 30 and I started microneedling my face 1-2 times a week a few months ago and I see a huge difference in skin health and my faint wrinkles around my eyes have faded substantially, my skin is alot clearer too and I just look better.
I've also been putting sunscreen with vitamin C and moisturiser built into it on every day, but that won't have an effect for years to come.
Something to think about.
How tf do you do it 1-2 times a week? What depth? I tried microneedling my hairline a while ago 1mm and it'd just leave my whole hairline red for days. Can't imagine my whole face like that.
I use 0.5 mm as recommended, 1mm would be way too big for face skin
Listen moron, it's called the progression of time. It's going to happen. Maybe you lived your life up to this point thinking that you'd never fricking age at all but news flash, you're going to get older and one day you're going to fricking die. Do both things gracefully. Facelift? What a fricking idiot.
Embrace aging as a men u disgusting incels
No. Why?
38 yo boomer here, old enough where I may have experience for this, old enough also that I must be somehow moronic or fricked up to still be posting here, you decide.
So you're 30 and complaining your face isn't the same as at early 20s. It will never be the same as at 20. I know sometimes it seems like people don't age much, but if you can get a good look at them up close, an experienced person can easily tell someone within a few years. Screens are pretty useless for showing real aging. Using screens and makeup and fillers even Madonna today can seem to look in her 20s. Same if you're looking into a mirror but the light isn't so good. What you need is to be in full view of a person with good lighting, and then it's not hard to say who is older and younger. None of these "I'm 32 but look about 22" guys would look the same as other students in an undergraduate college class. Think about Byran Johnson, you can tell that's he's exactly his age. It's just plain as day. Again, anything captured on a screen is junk for anything other than basic structure - sometimes it looks a lot better, sometimes it looks worse.
Staying out of the sun probably helps, but if you look at the average old people who've been in the sun vs those who haven't, the old people who've been in the sun don't actually look much worse if at all. Yes their skin is more pigmented, that's how all the aging tests come up saying omg they aged so much. But you look at them as in pic-related, and both of these women look bad, the woman in the sunshine doesn't really look worse, she just looks like she got a lot of sun.
So most of all I recommend not to have anxiety over it and expect your skin to age.