*singlehandedly verifies the methodology behind CICO and IIFYM beyond any possible refutation*
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*singlehandedly verifies the methodology behind CICO and IIFYM beyond any possible refutation*
all it takes to disprove CICO as the end all be all is one guy eating over calculated "maintenance" and not gaining weight due to compensatory metabolic actions that still satisfy the laws of physics but confound diet strategies
>compensatory metabolic actions that still satisfy the laws of physics but confound diet strategies
that's the calories out part moron.
exactly but every diet method that says it's all calories almost universally assumes static CO
homie that's because if they don't do that, the fatties will claim they burned 400 calories on their walk to the mailbox
no, go to a basic calorie calculator website and it will guestimate your calories based on self-reported exercise level. entirely based on "what your metabolic output should be, in theory" as opposed to real life results, not to mention calories out is ridiculously unstable and easy to manipulate
Did you even read what I was replying to
i wrote what you were replying to
Then you're a moron, and gay, also have a nice day
This. CICO deniers are shakeweight-level morons.
i make the "calories out" argument to CICO people too and they seethe. no one's denying CICO they're just saying it's worthless as a "strategy"
You're right, all it takes is a mongoloid, one who can't do simple addition, to attribute his 47 IQ grasp on basic math to "compensatory metabolic actions" and thus "refute" cico. Bonus points if he not only then says cico doesn't work, but also doesn't post body with timestamp.
He's getting an engineering degree and quotes obscure French philosophy....
the only real argument against CICO is that the calories on nutrition label in the United States are allowed a 20% margin of error, and when you tell some fat ass that they can eat whatever they want, and they just have to count calories, even if they end up counting the calories nothing will change if all they are eating is processed junk.
Give a fatass a scale and make them count the calories in chicken, rice, and broccoli, and they will lose weight.
>Give a fatass a scale and make them count the calories in chicken, rice, and broccoli, and they will lose weight.
except even if you read forums where people who believe in CICO who repeatedly do this to anal levels, they'll have times they can't lose weight and blame "water"
They're counting wrong or it really is water cause their sodium is too high. This shit is so simple. You really have to put in effort to be this stupid.
two copes in one sentence. you're telling me the body will compensate for high sodium by driving water intake? gee i wonder if that applies to literally anything else you consume
High sodium can drive water retention, and sure, if your food is salty you're probably going to drink more as well. Go wild on some pepperoni pizza and tell me how much you gained overnight. I promise, that's not 10 lbs of fat.
>High sodium can drive water retention, and sure, if your food is salty you're probably going to drink more as well. Go wild on some pepperoni pizza and tell me how much you gained overnight. I promise, that's not 10 lbs of fat.
well duh. point is, there will be people on a strict calorie-counted diet who don't lose weight in one week despite doing everything "right" (because they have no idea what their calories out are) and they'll blame the water boogeyman
>it's not that fat people miscounted or lied, it's that CICO is wrong
fun fact: a symptom of diabetes 1 is unexplained weight loss. maybe people should tell them to eat more than they burn
>quoting the entire fricking thing
>calories on nutrition label in the United States are allowed a 20% margin of error
Huh, did not know this.
Would explain why I've stagnated in weight loss for the last 2 months.
>hypothetical word salad
someones been watching a little too much derek. Lets take a look at some real life examples instead of our made up head cannon
>eating over calculated "maintenance" and not gaining weight due to compensatory metabolic actions
then you are by definition not eating over maintenance
are you stupid?
>compensatory metabolic actions
This just means his maintenance is altered. Tdee calculators are generalizations not the word of god.
Grats you just proved that you don't know how to calculate. You calculated that your maintenance is 1+1 = 3. This doesn't disprove addition, it proves that you made an error in the formula.
You add calories then. Damn some people are dumb.
but seriously most people don't know this, but they will gladly tell you CICO
He still mentions that factors such as his macros are very important too. He's not just stuffing his face with pure slop. I'm pretty sure in this video specifically (from which OP's picrel was taken from) he talks about eating two crispy chicken sandwiches from wendys. He actually talks about this same "treat" in multiple videos and makes the same point - even the slop he eats while following the laws of CICO follows some structure in order to get 250g of protein daily while also accounting for carbs and fat
I'll add— if you care about maintaining or growing muscle, you do need to modulate your protein intake based on how your carbs and fats are allocated, as carbs are protein sparing. Fats require protein to be converted to muscle glycogen. So a low carb diet would ideally require a higher than usual (1g/lb) amount of protein to avoid catabolism.
>He's not just stuffing his face with pure slop
he ate like half a box of cinnamon toast crunch with half a gallon of milk before working out...
Bulking diet. He's been cutting for 3 weeks now.
Lol I didn't know he ate that much in one sitting, I wonder if he was fat growing up. Also I think you just have to take his eating videos as one offs, I doubt he has 4000cal of cinnamon toast crunch written into his daily diet but rather he did it for a video
>I wonder if he was fat growing up
Quite the opposite is usually the case with bodybuilders who can EAT. Skinny dudes get used to having to just eat everything in sight to grow.
That's woman logic.
> "I'm eating my maintenance but still gaining weight!"
Yeah because you either A) are using the wrong maintenance number or B) are lying to yourself about what you eat.
>all it takes to disprove CICO as the end all be all is one guy eating over calculated "maintenance" and not gaining weight due to compensatory metabolic actions that still satisfy the laws of physics but confound diet strategies
Retatd. If something you're doing dietarily or otherwise is making it so you can't gain weight eating past your precious maintenance, the said action has increased your maintenance. What about that is hard to understand?
ugly and clinically obese. sad.
>ugly and clinically obese
but enough about your mother
He weighs a bloated 240lbs at 5'11. If he were to step on a bodybuilding stage and be competitive he would have to weigh like 210lbs. That is not remotely impressive by today's standards. Why are people looking up to this guy like he's some kind of phenom?
I didn’t get it either until I begrudgingly watched his youtube videos. He’s just a comfy bro spitting bro knowledge with his shitty camera. He’s like 2006 youtube vlogging and it’s charming. Also he’s one of those meatheads who are incidentally funny without even trying.
This. Sam's a bro. I thought bros died off in the brolocaust by the feminazis in 2012, but somehow a few survived
>with his shitty camera
He upgraded to a 4k camera that's so crispy it's like real life.
>he’s one of those meatheads who are incidentally funny without even trying.
I think it's intelligence and it's called wit. Takes a high intelligence to grasp it though.
Imagine taking steroids at his age and dooming yourself to be sub 6 foot instead of waiting until you're 25 and probably growing to 6"2' or taller
What a moron
Wait you can gain height at 25?
you can gain height whenever you want. to add vertical mass just eat more calories than you burn, it's that easy
Yes
How
yeah idk where the myth of puberty ending at 18 comes from oh wait its from ~~*scientists*~~.
look at a highschooler and then look at a 25 year old, the 18yr masculine features (face, height, muscle) isn't fully devoloped yet.
your not gonna grow a foot, 1-3 inches max
Anything I could do to get it? I'm 24 now
eat enough, sleep enough, exercise, be healthy. genetics do the rest. 25 isn't THE cutoff, just a number.
if you wanna cheat look into HGH or HCG, your growth plates are probably formed but you could squeeze some inches out of God knows where
25 is the upper limit, very few people actually grow past age 18-20, it moatly depends on when you atart puberty, if you start at age 12, you're done at age 18-19, start at age 15 your done at age 21-22 ect, it used to happen more in the past where puberty would be delayed due to poor nutrition.
his videos are cozy, gym vlogs, and he likes anime and he's young. he's unironically new Piana though, a lot of his mannerisms and phrases are similar.
He was lean as hell at his peak bulk of 245 and even more so at 235, right now he'd be stage lean at 220 tops.
If he wants to be IFBB big he needs to eventually bulk to a fluffy 260-270 then cut. So far he's avoided getting fat or bloated on his bulks.
You underestimate how lean you need to be to step on a bodybuilding stage and look good. Those guys are peeled to the bone.
I saw a video of his where some late zoomer/early alpha approaches him. Its like kids these days are 6'2 at the age of 14. Its fricking crazy. He also gets mogged by the aforementioned zoom-zooms.
Probably because Sam is actually 5'9/5'10 tops in shoes.
>Probably because Sam is actually 5'9/5'10 tops in shoes.
hes prolly 5'9, the hat takes away 2 inches from the top of his head. Its crazy that a random tallgay absolutely demolish the roids mog-wise
Well as they say face, height and frame are all important in aestetics/mogging/attractiveness.
In order it's height, face, frame. Frame can be masked with muscle especially in clothes.
That's perfect for bodybuilding though. Pretty sure he's a little taller based on the posedown with Samson Dauda though.
Hes on roids he doesn't count
Watch paul saladino for real knowledge
CICO doesn't explain how roids allow you to have bigger muscles than with just eating. sorry b***hes hormones matter
Yup. Sounds like his fans are young because anyone who's been lifting for over a year would know this. Pretty beginner level stuff to know that roids offset everything
>watch my fraud therapist who is trying to sell supplements
>therapist
Anon you know "therapists" don't go to medical school, right? That's one of the massive differences between "therapists" and "psychiatrists." Paul Saladino is the latter.
He just collabed with knees over toes guy, nice. Check out knees over toes guy too if you haven'talready. Great tips for maximizing your SBD and injury prevention/recovery. Love that guy. I'll check out this Saladino guy too
Holy shit I have 5 filtered 5 threads with filters "Sam, sulek, zoomer, zoomers" buy a fricking add you walking fatty liver
Walking heart attack
This dudes heart is about 6 months away from self destructing. It was good while it lasted.
>CICO is objectively true
>situational factors can make it more difficult to accurately measure CICO, depending on the person the difference between calories eaten and calories truly entering the body's thermodynamic system can vary
>it is still a very simple matter to restrict calories in since CI will always be strictly less than calories eaten
>additional action may be required to ensure that CO isn't dipping to compensate
Not sure why any of this is controversial. CICO is true but sometimes difficult to accurately measure and therefore other methodologies may be useful. Everyone has valid points here, it's a false argument.
pretty fair take. the main thing that bugs me is that people turn to it as a tautology and act like any further discussion (like how CI affects CO) is unneeded because "do you even physics bro"
Fair, that's reductive and annoying.
Finally an intelligent post. This is absolutely correct. CICO is nothing more or less than the understanding that energy intake and energy output are the hard limits to our weight fluctuation. It won't get you precise numbers, but it will get you an accurate range for a healthy human without catastrophic damage to their metabolism (which can likely still be predicted with their own offset).
What good does it do if it can't be precise? Well your metabolism can be kept relatively stable long enough to narrow down your energy expenditure range and identify good targets to hit for a deficit or reasonable surplus before a fast. It can be used to put caloric numbers to the level of hunger you experience and demystify why you're feeling what you're feeling. It can be used to guage what foods increase or decrease satiety for the same caloric budget. Spoilers, deep fried canola oils, ultra processed wheat, corn syrup, and other junk foods are designed to decrease satiety.
CICO is a diagnostic tool. It can be a diet on its own but usually will lead to a specific strategy as you discover what foods are and aren't worth it given your lifestyle
a single case study can never prove anything
a billion case studies can never prove anything with modern science
you're ugly as shit and I can prove it by observing your appearance. I.E, a single case study (your face) proves that you're an ugly virgin
but how do you know how many calories you're burning a day? how is that calculated.
based on estimation
it doesnt have to be exact cause ur not CICO ing over one day but over months
>"You just sound like a fricking nerd" - Sam on science based lifting
It's over when even engineering students are clowning you.
the mechanical engineer archetype has always been a chad who is way smarter than he appears. the actual fricking dorks are computer scientists
cope.
Sam has 1.1 million followers on YT, 1.1 million on Insta, and 1.3 million on tik tok where he has a dozen videos with over a million views. He's living his best life and getting rich while bro-ing out. No cap str8 bussin fr fr
Holy seethe. Yeah you're a bad ass for drawing arrows where "the force" goes
I can honestly respect this man for sticking to the long format youtube uploads in this day of instant dopamine kicks from tiktok. But he is trying a little too hard to be the zoomer Rich Piana.
He hasn’t changed his look at all
>222 days of bulk
>look the same, gain no weight
>21 days of ‘cutting’
>look the same, doesn’t take off shirt to show any difference
Whatever he is doing isn’t working very well
yea no shit, when you roid this much everythinng else you do including diet and probably training method is like 5% of the total, rest, diet, sleep …. all that shit sums up to frick all who cares as long as you roid like he does
anybody thinks it would mean anything at all if he did cardio or didnt ? wouldnt change his caveman physique
literally who is this roidtroony, never seen him before August 2023
You could've just said last month or a month ago you fricking nerd lmao
sam is stupid and kinda ugly, worse of all he breaths like a whale, looks like hes constantly out of breath.
it would be sure worth it when he drops dead before 30 so we can paint some angel wings on him and scream we all gonna make it and how this fricktard was a zyzz 2.0
truly pathetic
Tell me about Sam. Why does he wear the hat?
If CICO is true then why didn't he gain any weight on his very methodological and perfectly calculated 6 months bulk?
if CICO isnt true how did he gain so much muscle from my pic to urs?
Because roids
Wow I didn't know roids broke the laws of thermodynamics. We should just use roids instead of nuclear reactors to solve our energy problems.