Age old question, I know. But if my body fat is too high and my muscle is too low, should I cut for a bit then bulk once ~10% BF?
Skinny fat - cut or bulk first?
Age old question, I know. But if my body fat is too high and my muscle is too low, should I cut for a bit then bulk once ~10% BF?
10% bodyfat is really, really lean dude. Magazine cover lean. You can go either way when skinnyfat. Would you rather be a twink or be builtfat for a while? Answering that question gives you your answer
Fpbp. If you're natty it'll take 2 years minimum before your aesthetics go anywhere, you just decided whether to cut or bulk first. Pros of cutting are that you'll see progress faster and twinkmode isn't gross when shirtless. Pros of bulking are that you'll look good in clothing and lifts will increase very linearly
Although i agree with & especially
All you skinny fat gays only care about is abs and women so cut 1st. There's nothing wrong with only caring about aesthetics and women; just be upfront about it.
It's clear you don't care about size, strength or bodybuilding. You don't have the dedication nor the patience to achieve picrel.
Cut until you reach 10% or until you hate your life.
In a male dominated society, girls have different demeanour.
very accurate post. started skinny fat nearly 2 years ago. bulked/maintained and cut about equal amounts and the body is starting look decent. will be cutting further then go on a prolonged slow bulk.
True skinnyfats need to just recomp. Why? Because a skinnyfat person is skinny because he has literally no muscle, so whenever he just looks at iron, he is going to be building his base. Its gonna be so fricking easy to put muscle if you have never played sports in your youth etc. And secondly, the "fat" part comes from the fact that you are yes, fat. You are most likely well over 20% bodyfat. You dont need to bulk when you are 20% bodyfat. You are fat. You have enough fat and energy to build muscle.
You cant go wrong with cutting first but I wouldnt suggest an elaborate ifbb pro cutting program for someone that is beginner and just starting out. Its not gonna be fun lifting on a calorie deficit and quite frankly its not needed as you are not cutting to get stage ready. You will recomp and transform your body so fricking quickly when you start eating at maintenance or like ever so slight deficit and you start building muscle and burning fat and even if you dont burn fat your bodyfat% goes down because your muscle mass increases.
You will see so much faster gains and look better so much faster if you recomp/cut first. Like this guy said its realistically gonna take you 2-3 years to be kind of aestethic. Obviously this is very relative and subjective but still. Like imagine you are 25% bodyfat and you start bulking and you just totally let your body go. You are gonna look like fricking shit and fat in clothes for the next 2-3 years?? For what? Its not like you are gonna be 10x bigger when you cut doing that route. The route leads to basically the exact same end goal whether you cut first or not. But if you cut first you can spend that 2-3 years at athletic bodyfat and look good all the time.
bulk
If youre a beginner lift, and eat your bodyweight in protein, and CUT slightly for a while. Your frame needs room, get the fat out of the way so your muscles can be packed on.
the bulk meme was always just for rail thin teens, if you are an adult man and skinnyfat, do what I said. If you try to bulk you will literally have zero motivation or incentive to keep going.
Sydney Sweeney isn't israeli though she was just groomed by israelites
Depends entirely on how far you are.
>20% bf: cut
<20% bf: maintain(recomp until basic fitness benchmarks reached, then cut)
I cut first and escaped it in less than a year..
Cut about 8kg eating at maintenance too
you weren't skinnyfat tho
What would you call the left then? I have guts and moobs anon
PPL
mirin, what program did u do?
You were a soft skinny on left, not fat
>You were a soft skinny on left, not fat
>not fat
American post
I’m Indian frick urself
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>this pic has been shown so many times I don't know if the poster is the real dude
I agree, I was 20%bf (measured with caliper + tape) and decided to cut until reaching 17%, then bulked a bit doing SL 5x5 for about 4 months. All this in ablout 10 months.
Stopped a month ago because doing PPL and cutting again for summer. Gained 2 kilos during bulking but now going down. It's easy for me being 1,68m.
It all depends on your goals like a lot of dudes say here, for me escaping skinnyfat hell is about cutting.
Cut. The lowe your bf the better you can bulk because a) you aromatize less (which also reduces gyno risk) and b) you're more sensitive to insulin
This. Cut/maintain+lift so you get your hormones straightened out before bulking.
I've had success with the cut
Going until my 'smart' scale says 12% bodyfat.
5’11
Bf% estimate? My watch says 14
I think it's lower than 14%, tempted to say 10.
Used to look like that when 12%. But this varies of course.
mirin. How long did it take you to get that lean?
Always been extomorph so had decent base but started at 23, I’m 25 now so little under two years, but tbf im angle frauding hard here lol. Ty
8-10%, watch and scales become inaccurate below ~15%.
~12%, so lose about 2-3% more body fat and you'll be there.
Looks like 100% bf material to me.
r u a grill
Are you overweight? Be honest. There's two types of skinnyfat; skinny and fat. Fat skinnyfat is the most common. You know you're fat skinnyfat if your BMI is classified as overweight or normal borderline overweight -> cut
If your BMI is underweight you need to bulk first.
Don't skip cardio, which btw shouldn't be some boring walking around shit. Do HIIT
Idk. I’m 6’11 and 76kg so not overweight just very skinny-fat
6'11 or 6'1 lol
Yeah you are fat with absolutely 0 muscle. Your love handles are wider than your shoulders. You need to get off the cupcake, mtn dew and dorito diet and eat some grilled chicken and vegetables.
Lift some weights. Report back in 1 year. Stop jacking off to hentai (it's obvious you do)
I meant 5’11 kek
And yeah I’m a pear frick
Change habits. Don't big yourself up and do too much at once, it's a guarantee falure. Start with lifting weights and improving diet. You got this.
I don't see the point in cutting if you don't have any muscle. You think if you just lose the fat you will end up skinny but if you have zero muscle mass and definition you will look soft and skinnyfat even if you lose a lot of fat, until you reach complete auschwitzmode. As a skinnyfat I would lift and eat at maintenance and do that as long as I can make strength gains and then assess the situation again once I stall.
well I'm frickin 29% BF at 204lbs at 6ft, so what do I do? keep cutting, right? I started at 230lbs this year, doing caloric deficit, HIIT cardio and strength training (but higher reps lower weights). I've got a ways to go...
KEEP
THE
HARD
WORK.
literally read the fricking sticky you homosexual
cut when you dont see abs
bulk when you have a 4 pack
This
Someone post the Gutsanon skinnyfat response. He recommends you cut first and lift heavy, gutsbro is the patron Saint of ascended skinnyFat on here
Her boobs are too small.
There I said it.
Thousand wiener eyes.
>you've had a lot of dick Sweeny, but you ain't had mine
sauce?
She's getting plowed by a horse, just fyi
Too much life and happiness still. Maybe 5-10.
Maybe 5-10 in one weekend on Epstein's island when she was 8
You wish you had a similar share of pussy, homosexual.
How long will it take me to reach otter mode from my body?
Feel like you're mostly there. You could maybe cut some? But probably not worth it...
Don't concern yourself with these stupid internet terms like ottermode nobody in the real world thinks like that. Fitness should be a structural part of your life, not a means to some imaginary end.
Mirin btw.
why is it called otter mode when otters have no abs
Hello newfriend
The answer is always cut. Honestly as long as you get your protein you can recomp (aka lean bulk). Bulk/cut trade off only applies to sub 15% body fat people.
You OWN a bulk. You been eating like shit for too long.
Amend your sins and cut, till 13%15% (10 is super low) but keep that protein up, then bulk. SLOW bulk you fat frick you, till 18%+/- anything beyond that it's useless
I started skinny fat, CUT FIRST, it's way better.
6'4 and this is in about 1 year of training 5 days a week
Do please share the routine. Or any tips on programming. Miring.
Cut carbs, count calories, and train consistently to failure. I do PPL 5x a week (so days rotate) and I try to stay always under 15% body fat. Small cuts here and there. Eat mostly protein. Generally always in a 500 calorie deficit or surplus.
Could go on about training but diet and consistency is #1. Stay motivated. I personally love gym bunnies so that keeps me going.
>Cut carbs
Stopped reading right there.
The results speak for themselves fatty :^)
Im not saying cut all carbs, but cut most if you don't wanna be hungry all the time
Looks incredible ngl is this natty
Ty. This is natty, but I'm about to run a cycle of test tbh. Far right pic was a week ago
Not really... still skinny fat in that anyway
Middle looks best
You didn’t start skinny fat though, you gave a 6pack in your before pic lol
Always cut first.
Always.
Skinny/lean will always look better than the bulky/fluffy look. Only pothead fat b***hes "like" the bulky/fluffy because it makes them feel less threatened.
Once you get lean, then focus on steadily putting on muscle and doing mini cuts to maintain a good figure.
22. Looks 35. Lmfao.
I love mature women.
Shes 26 anon
the issue with cutting as a skinny fat beginner is that you most likely have nothing to cut down to (no muscle). there's also a good chance your metabolism is fricked up from low muscle mass, lack of exercise and shitty diet, so trying to cut is going to be extremely difficult. bulking isn't the best idea either obviously because you do have excess fat on you and you don't really want to build more on top of that. the way I see it, you shouldn't do either one. all you need to do is start training regularly and eating healthier. don't worry too much about overall caloric intake. most people will probably trim down a bit just by doing this alone. you'll also gain strength and size as a beginner no matter what and after a couple months of this your metabolism should be fixed up, you'll be used to regular exercise and you'll have a good idea of how to perform your lifts and all that sort of stuff. that's when you can decide to cut or bulk (probably cut but it depends on how skinny fat you actually are).