>Snapped my shit up
>Two years of physiotherapy - no improvement
>Doctor says I can't do any high impact activities or weightlifting ever again in my life
Well IST it's fricking over for me. Literally just light weight deadlifted incorrectly one time and fricked my back up unrepairably. I'm in constant pain, can't bend over properly, can't walk or stand for long periods of time without pain. Literally want to kms every single day.
What else can I do to not become a fatass and still have muscle?
You should unironically learn to deadlift correctly (this entails reading and understanding the deadlift chapter of SS) and that will unironically fix your back.
https://startingstrength.com/article/back-pain-and-back-strength
https://startingstrength.com/article/from-crutches-to-deadlifts-back-rehab-101
Am I an SS shill? Yes I am. Because they're right and they're especially right about this.
If you don't want to learn yourself (and from your post you sound pretty moronic and not self-sufficient), you should just shoot an email to Nick Delgadillo, pay the few hundred bucks for online coaching and do what they say.
Nah bro I have grade 3 spondye-girlsthesis and a herniated disc, doctor unironically told me I'll end up in a wheel chair if I do any weightlifting. And trust me I unironically tried to keep weight lifting because I also thought it would help me with my pain etc, but it only made it worse, kept trying to work through the pain and it fricked me up.
Your doctor almost certainly has no idea what he's talking about. If you care about your QoL and future you have to be a bit more proactive and direct your own care. If you can get ahold of him, consult with Jonathan Sullivan st Greysteel. He's an MD and PhD and I guarantee he'll tell you to deadlift.
https://www.greysteel.org/
>Your doctor has no idea what he's talking about
>t. 19 year old on IST
I have a hard STEM PhD and I'm 30. People worship MDs for some reason when the vast majority of them are just practioners following heuristics and have no idea. The quality of medical literature is absolute dogshit regardless and we literally know so fricking little. Maybe stop being such a little moron midwit and get over this insane belief that somehow MDs are endowed with great esoteric knowledge and know everything. They're fricking practicioners and most are bad ones at that.
Every PHD that isn’t a boomer is a complete fricking moron
You took the vax didn’t you lol
Also
>STEM
yeah defrag my hd ranjeet
>Every PHD that isn’t a boomer is a complete fricking
Like the dual MD/PhDs that could be OP's doctor?
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keep postin b***h homie I gots to take this shit
This.
I’ve had three herniated discs since my early 30’s. Every doc has wanted to cut me open. They all want a paycheck. Frick that. I’m now 50 and almost in the best shape of my life (early 20’s was top). Let myself go after that and paid the price. I still lift heavy three days a week. The only thing that fixed me was lifting. Heavy squats and heavy deadlifts. Currently, I am doing high volume 5x8-10 deads at lower weight. I’m telling you I’d be in a sorry state if I didn’t build my body up
herniated discs reabsorb themselves in time.
go swimming. you'll be able to push yourself without putting weight on your spine.
Keep being fit, good posture, nutritious diet, and in time you'll be fine.
There's no pools in my area bro I definitely would go swimming, I see people suggesting it online everywhere. I want to believe it'll reabsorb but it's been 2 years and it's only gotten marginally better and worse in some cases. Also even if the disc reabsorbs, the spondye-girlsthesis is permenant
You're too dumb to fix this and believe too much in the system that is designed for the profit of the practitioners and not for your benefit.
I didn't say anything about the doctors bro, I don't know enough to say that they're wrong, I got an x ray and MRI, they said my shit was fricked up, I googled a bunch of physio stuff and tried doing it for a few months, it wasn't helping so I went to a proper physio, but he basically just gave me only a couple of extra exercises and told me to keep at it. 2 years later nothing has improved. I initially didn't even listen to the doctor and kept weightlifting - doing lots of back exercises, pullups, benching, dips, stretching, dumbell squats etc and tried to push through the pain, went for another doctor visit and he said I'm actually fricked up now.
>bro
>googled stuff
>believes the pathology on the x-ray and MRI must correspond to the symptoms he's experiencing
>believes that physio's aren't charlatans
>does tons of back exercises and doesn't understand how to appropriately dose stress, probably making things worse
I'm sorry but you're actually a fricking moron.
What you should've done is a calculated and measured approach that slowly introduces more and more stress and more and more ROM.
Something like find the largest ROM for a rack pull that you can do without pain. That might only be two inches. So you do a 2" rack pull and every other day add 10 lbs until you can do it with 405. Then you restart at 3" and iteratively continue this process.
That sort of a process uses very controlled doses of stress that are recoverable from in the time period with a very methodical, non-arbitrary mode of progression.
What you did, almost certainly, was fricking moronic. And you almost certainly did it exactly wrong: light weight, full ROM when the answer is ALWAYS heavy weight, small ROM, linearly progress the ROM with these sorts of injuries.
So again, you're an idiot, and like I've said this entire thread, you're too stupid to help yourself and you should pay an expert (like the ones I've referred you to) if you don't want to be a fricking cripple.
And you're uhqualified to do a rack pull anyway because you don't know how to deadlift. Because if you knew how to deadlift you wouldn't be in this situation.
So you're too stupid to do the easiest of all the compound lifts and so surely you're definitely too stupid to address an injury like this. So, again, enlist non-meme, non-charlatan outside help. Dummy.
Why you mad though bro
Jesus, relax man
you're fricking moronic.
>What you did, almost certainly, was fricking moronic. And you almost certainly did it exactly wrong: light weight, full ROM when the answer is ALWAYS heavy weight, small ROM, linearly progress the ROM with these sorts of injuries.
This is the most moronic shit I've ever read in my life. OP whatever you do don't listen to these moronic teenagers saying stupid shit like this.
Medanon here - have you explored a fusion and then working with a sport focused rehab professional to eventually return? It's not a death sentence
If it makes you feel better, your spondye-girlsthesis was probably not from the deadlift, the deadlift probably just gave you the final snap. It's a long road but you can return to some sort of physical activity once you repair it.
Doctor said they don't do fusions in the country I'm in unless I'm experiencing insane symptoms like loss of bladder control, numb arms/legs etc. He also said 2/3rds of these surgeries don't resultt in improvement to pain/mobility and that me getting one in my late 20's was not only unadvisable it was literally impossible unless I went private, but he said he just doesn't believe it would be allowed.
Transpedicular fixation is indicated in high grade spondye-girlsthesis, it's literally your only chance of being physically active again. Lack of improvement doesn't control for it being done primarily on older patients. You don't want to risk canal stenosis or the runaway effects of having a completely unstable segment should you get into a car crash etc. not to mention the knock effect it'll have on your other spinal segments and ability to live and work in the future. You're likely a better candidate for radical repair given your improved ability to recover and remodel. Find another opinion from a surgeon
Hey not OP but I've had a fricked up back for like over a years now, I always thought it was just a back herniated disc that never healed properly, this is the first I've ever heard about spondye-girlsthesis, is it possible I have it? I googled the symptoms and I indeed to feel better when sitting down or bending forward.
Idk I don't have fricking x-ray vision
I had exactly this. Not from deadlifting though. Got hit by a car and smashed my knee too. Did everything the dr told me for 2 years. Depressed, alcoholic addicted to endone. Thing that un-fricked my back was chiro in about 6 sessions. I always thought they were bullshit. Worked for me. Other things I did was walk a shit ton and stretching and foam rollering - book becoming a supple leopard. Things to fix discs -
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Yeah man, same anon here. That's how it was.
Frick lifting OP, get lean and corded and skinny and don’t ruin your body now that you already did it anyway
I’m telling you get ultra involved in the yoga classes and some yoga girl will take pity on your sad story and you might get pity sex
I've snapped my shit up bad and recovered over time, now a days it's not even my lower back, but I've been sedentary for too long now and I realized I have a fricking herniated disc in my mid back or something that flared up that is even worse than low back, not even sure when I got it because I have no memory of it, might have been during ohp ages ago, think I did seated tho which was bad, heard a pop but never felt anything (until now), if that is even it
Anyway to your point I've heard people recover their backs from training even through pain, might be worth a shot, also do it correctly
Don't let israelites fuse your back like Ronnie Coleman either you are gonna be in a wheelchair In no time
And tbh my back low back felt like ass for a long time probably because I kept training bad and not being aware of low back position and In real life until a long rest and change of everything probably fixed things up
If you have so bad body awareness you can't brace or know what position your low back is in like poster above said you need to fix that shit
Dls are like 99% bracing
Literally almost no technique
Some upper back refinement and tightness when you get the bracing done
Deadlifts are the funnest lift, people who don't agree most likely can't deadlift
If you have done over 5pl8e and still think they are bad then I will respect your opinion
That's not enough. He should be 100% concentrated on the lift for months to learn the pattern and get used to it and then also be present after he learns it for every single rep. A slight absent mindedness and you snap. Dead lift is riskier than other lifts
> A slight absent mindedness and you snap
When you're weak and injured and don't deadlift, yeah. But once you're strong, the resulting musculature and bulk prevents snappage injuries like that. That's part of the reason why deadlifting fixing theses kind of injuries; the other part is that it causes stressors in that area that trigger adaptation and the formation of new tissue hence healing.
Yoga
Chigong or however you spell it
Watch kung fu movies and try to balance plates on yourself like jackie chan
Either this or turn into a fentanyl junkie smoking foil less than 10mins walk from my abode
Choose wisely
thats horrible to hear anon
i dont really see the point in doin deadlifts if ur not a powerlifter, i may be biased since i dont like the lift and have poor leverages for it.
im sure you can do some calisthenics shit, if i were you id try my best to be as physically active as possible to stave off the worsening of that injury, deadhangs, pullups, hanging in general is good for the shulders and the back
this might give you hope; i had a doctor tell me the same similar thing because of a torn labrum (rugby), saying i could never do heavy weightlifting or do something like boxing, i have taken my time and been very careful and patient with my training and have reached an e1rm of 3pl8 bench and i can shoulder press 42 kilo dumbbells for sets of 10
the doctor might be full of shit, but ur gonna have to be really really fricking slow and careful to stay safe
God bless anon, im going to bed
>diddly zoomer btfo
good.
How much were you trying to lift when you fricked your shit up?
Like 100kg bro, my deadlift max was like 200 but I had previously injured myself and stopped doing it for a couple of months. Came back one day and it super light, next week a bit heavier but still light, did it twice in one week, a week later came in and put 80 on the bar and it felt okay. The next week came in and put 100 on it, didn't feel heavy at all, everything was good, on the third rep just heard a loud crack in my back and felt instant pain.
What an absolute moron
You think most people can reach 1/2/3/4 because of over representation on the internet but that is simply not true. Have you noticed there is a lot of white people on the internet as well? The truth is that both genetic failures and browns vastly outnumber white people and genetic successes but are underrepresented in all forms of information. Maybe, just maybe anon you’re one of the billions of unlucky people in history who have to die to keep evolution going. If you deny this you deny evolution and you deny the history of medical science and genetics. No matter how seemingly logical, self therapy won’t save you from your fate
>28
Your doctor and physio are shit. Get new ones. Brian carrol had a shatter sacrum, several broken vertebrae, and like 6 herniated discs. Rehabbed and went on to squat 1200 lbs.
I "snapped my shit" too about 3 years ago. Quotations are there because like you, no doctor or physical therapist thinks it's important to find out what happened to me before charging me $800 for some fricking stretches and telling me to stop lifting.
3 years ago I couldn't lift my leg to put on pants. Last week I zercher squatted 205 for 5. It's been a delicate rehab with some setbacks and recurring inflammation, but most likely you're perfectly capable of getting back your range of motion and then learning to do it again under a load.
my range of motion isn't even bad, it just hurts and my back gives out when trying to do anything heavy. If anything the past 2 years of doing physio has made me more flexible than I've ever been in my life, but as soon as I stand or walk for too long my shit starts hurting. When I exercise it actually feels like my back gets really stiff and I can barely move around and need to stand up and start walking around and stretching.
find a chiropractor willing to Y-strap you. itll cure you.
this is why I only do RDLs, and with a relatively light weight but 3 second eccentrics and a pause at the bottom. Frick deadlifts. I already have enough knee issues from squats
obviously you're doing rehab wrong
I also had a pretty severe back injury a couple years ago and was immobilized for a while
I got prolotherapy and then built up my strength and flexibility
I am back to 100%
learn to brace your core and hinge properly, learn to be strong again, build a strong and well functioning body where all muscles engage on lifts
physio is a waste of time, they did nothing to help me
find a personal trainer in your area that specializes in back injury patients, watch kneesovertoesguy on back injury stuff, watch stuart mcgill, do not fear lifting, fear inactivity, fear doctors