So you’re telling me… I can eat this whole giant cake (2000 Calories) once per day for my only meal and lose weight? CICOgays believe this?
So youre telling me I can eat this whole giant cake (2000 Calories) once per day for my only meal and lose weight?
I think its clear (You) cant
Why not? My maintenance calories is 2300.
Yeah you can, and will, lose weight (it's basic physics and biology, conservation of energy), have fun starving after 4 hours and getting scurvy though 🙂
not when your insulin spikes and your body stores all that sugar as fat, then you feel drained for the rest of the day as your body slows down your metabolism
Oh Yeah?
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wow im convinced
He made national news when he did it stupid zoom zoom. Lrn2google
really 27 pounds in 2 weeks? reads like one of those clickbait ads
>national news
Post national news.
Lrn2google moronic zoom zoom
I could post a randomized trial and you'd still reply with its the israelites or something because you dont actually care about facts
Yes, CICOcucks do actually believe this
(But the reality is that they will become fatter and more malnourished at the same time, lol)
>israeli doctor
>Goyslop industry shill
>lied about using vitamins/supplements while on his "twinkie" diet
>Probably lied about the Twinkies too
Go back to r*ddit, homosexual so you can discuss about tHeRmOdYnAmiCs
Ironic how he predicted it
But there was no randomized trial.
And it WAS just one israelite.
I see you missed the point entirely
Doesn't matter. It's a simple enough issue that one example is enough to prove cico correct. Doesn't matter where your calories come from in terms of weight loss. It matters for other things like satiety, health, nutrient partition, etc. but no-one disputes that.
>(But the reality is that they will become fatter and more malnourished at the same time, lol)
Yes, they will, but they will also lose weight. You see a contradiction here only because you're a giga-brainlet.
Read that again: weight, not fat.
>My bodyfat percentage has gone up and my internal organs are shutting down
>But i lost some weight!!!
CICOtards consider this a win
Except not one person ever told you it would be a good idea to just eat a whole giant cake and nothing else every day. In fact I went out of my way to tell you how unhealthy it is and you'd have to be a complete moron to do it.
That does not change the fact that OBJECTIVELY, you would lose weight.
The fact you can't see how these are two different arguments is proof of how much of a fricking moron you are. And a win? Win what? I'm not telling you to eat the cake. I have zero vested interest in your health, weight, or physique.
> You CANNOT lose weight with CICO!!!!!
> Well, um, actually it's NOT GOOD that you lost weight with CICO! IGNORE MY ENTIRE STARTING ARGUMENT!!
Goalpost: Moved.
Hey Black person why don't you chop your head off and lose weight that way??
You clearly don't use it for anything anyway
Autism fit because your binary worldview was proven wrong.
>Wants to get fatter while his internal organs shut down
>Thinks he's winning because his opponent committed a heckin logical fallacy
Lmao kys Black person
Remember kids, the more buzzwords a post has, the more objective it is!
Yes and whenever someone brings up THERMODYNAMICS, then you know it's over
>pilpul is bad whey goyim use it
Can you at least give a link to a trusted place to check? Otherwise all I see is a man eating junk with a coffee for his lunch break.
Oh, you already posted it.
https://www.hhs.k-state.edu/aging/about/people/faculty/haub/
Shit, he's still plugging away.
I'd hate to be a professor. Especially at fricking "RAWWWK CHAWWWWK"
OP would have to do that for years to develop insulin resistance. Insulin spikes don't immediately trigger fat storage. That's a keto lard myth.
That's not how that works. Insulin resistance is a result of consistent energy toxicity. This isn't even an argument, there are dozens of studies that show this.
Keto, veganism, carnivore, Mediterranean diets are all just ways to skin the cat. They all lead to energy deficit.
Calories are not an approximation of the amount of energy you intake when you eat food. It's heat energy produced when you burn a substance.
I can't consume gasoline and get the "calories" to use that are present in them. CICO is not a predictable way to lose fat, and it completely disregards body composition and satiety.
>I can't consume gasoline
not with this attitude
>cico is not a predictable way to lose fat and it completely disregards body composition and satiety
no moron, CICO gives you a solid quantifiable metric by which to calibrate your food intake.
>but I'm hungry
eat something else which reduces hunger
>but body composition
eat something else which improves your body composition
regardless if you eat steaks, vegan diets, goyslop or cinammon rolls, you will gain weight if you overconsume calories or lose weight if you don't consume enough. Caloric thinking allows you to gain or lose weight at will.
>CICO is not a predictable way to lose fat, and it completely disregards body composition and satiety.
Yes it is lol.
>1 pound of fat is 3500 calories.
>Therefore, to lose 1 pound a week predictably, you simply seat 500 less than your maintenance calories per day.
>Works for every single professional body builder
Simple as.
You can eat 1500 calories worth of chocolate cake per day but you will feel like absolute shit. It's best to also track macros as they fit to your max caloric limit. You know, split (by percentage) 40/40/20 or whatever your goals are. This way you're guaranteed to not miss your protein intake and all the other nutrients (marco and micro) from a balanced diet.
This is honestly some fricking day one shit, I am convinced whoever starts these threads get's off on (You)s.
I think he's legitimately too fricking stupid to understand that one unit of energy is one unit of energy. As long as your system is self-consistent, the definition and unit used is irrelevant.
Any decent macro calculator will account for activity level and body composition, you stupid fricking moron.
I'm not even an anti-CICO gay but it's clearly more complicated than this. Yes, restrictive diets tend to lead to energy deficits, but some energy deficits feel different than other energy deficits. You mentioned energy toxicity but you really mean glucose toxicity. High blood glucose levels are acutely toxic, but high triglyceride levels are not. That's why eating a whole cake makes you feel shaky, headachy, and flushed, but eating equivalent calories in cheese/sausages/high fat foods does not.
Your body doesn't release insulin in response to trigs like it does for glucose which makes high fat food less likely to promote insulin resistance. Before you go there, yes, I know there is mechanistic evidence that saturated fat can cause insulin resistance. It's not well established in humans (yet), and in any case says nothing about other types of fat.
i've been diligently counting calories and weighing food to the gram. astounding success at first. then, same calories and exercise, stopped losing weight. science tells us this happens, yet CICOpaths act like adaptive thermogenesis doesn't exist
>CICOpaths act like adaptive thermogenesis doesn't exist
Nobody said that.
The issue with CICO as a methodology for the general populace is that it assumes you're not a brainlet incapable of separating factors.
Your metabolic rate adjusting doesn't mean that linear algebra and thermodynamic has fallen apart, it means a new break-even point. What you eat can of course also influence that, I honestly don't understand what's so complicated about all this. One does not invalidate the other.
>I honestly don't understand what's so complicated about all this.
and that's the problem. i don't think you do understand. because if you follow CICO logic to its conclusion you just end up with Biggest Loser type failures, maxing out recidivism and having people regret the damage they did to their ability to burn calories
That's a fault of dogmatism and misapplication of the method, not the method itself.
The reason "insert fad meme diet / fasting protocol" generally works is that it usually forces people into a deficit while their hunger signalling and body composition is kept in check.
Normal foods, macros and a calculated deficit has been the standard for years, but it assumes you're
>willing and able to accurately quantify what you're eating
>willing and able to stick to a plan and not be impulsive
>understand that you cannot just go back to your old ways after the weight loss is complete, it's a lifestyle change
Last doesn't always apply because by this time your brain has hopefully been reprogrammed into more correct hunger signalling, and your habits have changed.
>brain has hopefully been reprogrammed
Depends on how fat you were to begin with. There was a study published last year—Brain responses to nutrients are severely impaired and not reversed by weight loss in humans with obesity: a randomized crossover study—that indicated brain chemistry changed for obese people. Basically fricked up their ability to feel satiated, among other things. Even more importantly, after losing weight over three months their brain chemistry hadn't reverted at all. Not long enough to say for certain that the changes to brain chemistry are permanent, but that was the potential implication. If it really is the case though, for former fatties it really does require a conscious effort to maintain a healthier lifestyle/eating habits.
>over three months their brain chemistry hadn't reverted at all.
The months is an obscenely short time, the study is irrelevant
Three*
If they were testing an ingredient they were going to approve for use in food, or a new medication and they tested people who ate it for three months and deemed It totally safe from side effects, would you consume it? Probably not. Because that's an arbitrary and objectively too short a time span to judge potential lifetime risks
> not the method itself.
It's literally the method. If you burn fewer calories you have to keep cutting and cutting.
CICO works absolutely fine if you're not a complete fricking moron like OP
What is moronic about OP?
Did you really have to ask?
Yes, because this thread sends mixed signals over whether CICO is true or if macros matter.
coming to IST for answers. That's a pretty clear indication.
>coming to IST for answers
lol, u're here permanently all the time asking "questions" and giving "answers", "reacting" in 100 voices bot
there is nobody here but me, or so it feels when i'm drowned in ur stupid fricking blabbering bot, u r not very engaging also, beaten enough (because u spread falsehoods it ain't particularly hard to mash ur face into ur own feces bot) u just abandon thread and make a new one often exactly the same like the old one with equally generic answers and reactions to it
>well duh, they closed the internat like 10 years ago with all the fake robotized traffic
it's not like they announced it did they? but yeah, they did
Do you have congoid IQ?
>CICO
Do you think people doing it actually reduces everything to numbers?
I do CICO always checking my macros, otherwise is nonsense.
The problem in this fricking forum is that, memes aside, a lot of morons really believes statements like the OP.
>Do you think people doing it actually reduces everything to numbers?
yes
Unironically yes. That is the point with these threads. You have a brain and understand that macros matter too. Most of the time CICO proponents think that they don't.
Macros matter, but not for simply gaining or losing weight.
You can lose weight eating exclusively carbs or fats, you can gain weight eating pure protein, but it would be a moronic thing to do because your body wouldn't work properly being deprived of one or more macros
>you can gain weight eating pure protein
You can't though, you'll literally starve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
You should really read your own links before posting them. It doesn't say what you think it does.
I merely asked a question and y'all are mad. CICO means calories in vs calories out, when you bring macros into it then that means CICO is fake, which puts you on the side of the 'CICO IS FAKE' crowd. This thread is for the CICO IS REAL crowd.
>yall
Black person detected
Probably a leftist actually.
How do we tell him that macros make up the calorie count?
Stupid reasoning. It's like putting shitty gas on the tank and then complaining when failing "b-but I filled it up!"
CICO is a whole thing that takes care of nutrients otherwise is empty calories.
Plenty of people have lost weight eating garbage food
Having 3 bites of it.
You will weight less but more of that existing weight will be fat because all you're eating is sugar. But we both know your disgusting fat ass wouldn't stop at one cake.
As long as you are in a deficit you are going to be losing fat. Your body really doesn't let go of muscle that easily, unless youre already shredded and on a very low calorie diet.
Muscle loss is really only a problem for morons who "cut" on 500 calories a day or for bodybuilders trying to get stage ready.
There is close to 1500 calories just in butter in that cake. The whole thing is probably closer to 4000-4500 calories.
Average short sheet cake is around 6k. That layered, tall cake is much more than that. 10k would be a low estimate
If your tdee is over 2000 calories yes. You may not like your bodyfat percentage on that diet, but you will lose weight.
There is no way in frick an entire fricking cake is only 2k calories, you get 2k calories from goyslop milkshakes
No, CICOgays don't believe this.
For some reason you /fitizens believe that ''CICO = goyslop'' while literally all diets, keto included, can be also lumped under CICO
When I was a teenager at university I ate literally nothing but junk food and was (unintentionally) skelly as frick because of cico. Even now during the holidays I just ate cake, pastries, cheese and crackers, beer, etc. instead of my usual bro diet and even up losing weight.
Yes you can cut on that but you will suffer tremendous hunger and malnutrition
Eat a pound of beef like roast beef
yeah, you'd lose weight
you'd also spike your sugar levels and feel like shit and be hungry in a couple of hours
not to mention how much you'll frick up your body by getting no actual nutrients, have fun with 0 potassium intake and scurvy from lack of vitamin C
Unless that cake is 12 cm in diameter it has way more calories. Now shill elsewhefe, israelite.
The average cake slice is something like 400-600 calories but if the whole cake comes out to under 2k yeah. Good luck not eating real food for the rest of the day
You can if all you care about is weight loss and you don't mind the discomfort of being ravenous almost immediately after eating it. Also your electrolytes and a million other things are going to be totally out of whack.
>lose weight?
Yeah, but only actual morons want to "lose weight". You should strive to build muscle and lose fat.
cant do both at the same time though
you're not a pro bodybuilder, sorry
You literally can though.
giant cake (2000 Calories)
>lmao
100grams of candy are on average 550 cal.
more like 350, dipshit
100g of pure refined sugar would be only 387 kcal moron
two kitkats are 460 cal
100g would be is 510 calories
https://www.madewithnestle.ca/kitkat
frick you
HE DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BUTTER
you need fats to make most deserts.
If it really is 2000 kcal and you maintain above 2000, yes.
Keep in mind maintaining above 2000 means you're either athletic with decent muscle mass and regular exercise or fat. If athletic, chances are the cake does not have enough protein to maintain the muscle mass, so you will eventually lose mass and maintain at lower kcal. Same goes for losing fat. So you won't keep losing weight until you have visible abs unless you compensate with very heavy exercise. The more likely outcome is you will plateau at skinnyfat.
In theory, yes, but nobody doing CICO would ever actually advise you to do this, because you'll still get ultra diabeetus, possibly throw up a lot which isn't great for you, and you won't be getting the appropriate balance of micros and macros. You'll lose weight but you'll still be horribly unhealthy. "Calories in/calories out" is just easier to say than "maintaining a caloric deficit while also meeting your nutritional needs."
Yes you literally could you moron. You wouldn't be healthy, and over time you'd lose muscle causing your bodyfat percentage to go UP. But yeah, you'd lose *weight*. That's all CICO ever promised.
Say what you mean if losing *weight* isn't actually your concern.
yes, you are not above the laws of thermodynamics brianlet
>Dumb Black person doesn't know that the "laws" of thermodynamics only apply in a closed system
>Calls others "BRIANlets"
>Zero self-awareness
>Feels smart because he can spell tHeRmOdYnAMiCs
>Doesn't think for himself; simply parrots talking points
Wow is this the power of being a CICOcuck?
So if you only ate a single bite of cake and nothing else, no other food, every day, you would never lose weight? You would stay your current weight forever just off a single daily bite of cake? Just making sure about your position here OP
You would lose weight, but you would also slowly rot away from a lack of necessary nutrients your body needs.
Are you a plant capable of performing photosynthesis?
No? Then all your available metabolic energy comes from what you're shoving into your mouth.
Are you trolling or just actually too moronic to understand A+B=C?
<Insert cult diet here>schizos at it again. Just another day on IST.
That cake looks like a good 4-5000 calories at least, bro
>you can tell calorie density of processed foods by sight alone
Yes, absolutely. Would you be healthy? No. Would you feel like shit? Yes.
Imagine the shits though.
>be IST
>one day randomly pick one of the few basic principles of nutrition
>completely detach it from reality, discard all common sense
>peddle it like some fad diet with a moronic 4 letter label attached to it
are you guys just fatties in denial coming up with new ways to avoid eating less?
My mom's is better
You don't posses the will power to only just consume a cake.
Yes.
Obviously there are more factors that go into it, and weight loss will be slow for sure, but yes it is indeed possible.
Mass creates mass. Eat more to gain, eat less to lose.
If you eat 3000 calories worth of raw spinach, and your maintenance is 2500, you will gain weight.
If you eat 2000 calories worth of chocolate cake, and your maintenance is 2500, you will lose weight.
>I can eat this whole giant cake....
OP please , for the lords love , stop being a homosexual , have. slice occasionally....
there is no way that entire cake is only 2000 calories
>eggs+>flour+sugar=bad
op kys
Your body composition will be shit and you will feel like shit but yes you can lose weight by eating all cake so long as you're in a caloric deficit.
Here's a fun little read for you:
https://conciergemedicinemd.com/the-twinkie-diet/#:~:text=The%20Twinkie%20Diet%3A%20In%20an,%2Dfat%2C%20low%20calorie%20diet.
depends, how tall are you? if you're like 5 ft even your tdee is going to be lower than 2000. also you're going to have other health problems, probably puke and feel like shit, might get diabetes and you're not going to want too stop at that because you're a fat frick eating a whole chocolate cake.
you might lose weight but you will get aids and diabeetus
losing weight is a moronic goal, you want to lose fat and be healthy, not destroy your health to match a certain number
CICOgays are complete morons, nothing about their diet has to do with HEALTH and FITNESS
So in other words, CICO works and is legit then?
No one said it's a good idea, just that you will lose weight and therefore the premise is correct.
If you're not concerned with losing weight, why are your words focused on losing weight then? Say losing FAT like a normal person. There can't be this many ESLs in these threads.
>No one said it's a good idea, just that you will lose weight and therefore the premise is correct.
But the premise isn't correct, since it's not calories that determine fat loss, it's a mix of mass in, mass out and nutrients in, nutrients out + metabolism and gut microbiome.
If someone eats something that has 3,000 calories but barely any nutrients, they will lose weight. But if someone eats something that 1,500 calories and is extremely nutrient dense, they will gain weight.
>If someone eats something that has 3,000 calories but barely any nutrients, they will lose weight. But if someone eats something that 1,500 calories and is extremely nutrient dense, they will gain weight.
This is literally not true at all.
As for the rest, metabolism and gut biome comes down to the individual. You're supposed to have all variables accounted for and assumed identical in an experiment like this. It's not supposed to be seeing who loses the most weight between two people with different metabolisms and gut biomes, it's supposed to be under which diet would the SAME person lose more or less weight.
>It's not supposed to be seeing who loses the most weight between two people with different metabolisms and gut biomes, it's supposed to be under which diet would the SAME person lose more or less weight.
And in my scenario, they DO have the same metabolism and gut biome.
And yet you can't debunk it.
Correct, you can't debunk nonsense
It's not nonsense, and even if it was, you should still be able to debunk nonsense. Sounds like a skill issue.
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
No it can't. That's just cope for losers who have no argument. You don't try to debunk it, because you CAN'T debunk it. I accept your concession.
Ok bud enjoy your mythology
At least accept your loss with some dignity, Anon. This is just sad, pathetic, and embarrassing.
Ok bud enjoy your mythology
You lost.
Ok bud enjoy your mythology
Get over it.
Ok bud enjoy your mythology
I'll let you have another shot at trying to debunk MIMO+NINO. Go ahead.
Yeah, that's what I thought. You can't do shit. Now, shut the frick up before clap the shit out of you again, b***h.
Ok bud enjoy your mythology
You. Lost.
Ok bud enjoy your mythology
You lost.
And here we have moronic, terminally-online children in their natural habitat. Like bucks that get their antlers tangled, these autists simply can't walk away from each other. Each feels they must have the last, empty word in their pissing contest. And so they are doomed to screech at each other forever.
I won, he lost. You lost, too. Get over it.
I mean you didnt provide any evidence for your ridiculous claim so technically he didnt, you just didnt prove it
I won, he lost, just like you're losing now. Get over it. Get over it. Get... over... it...
Literally nothing you've said is correct
That cake would be more than 2K calories
Idk if cico is a lie, but tdee is definitely a lie. You literally cannot lose weight past the skinny fat stage even if you only consume 500 calories a day, if you starve yourself completely you will just die with love handles
Gjkx
>being a zoomer in 2024
>ignoring physics
guys what happened where did it all go wrong
I doubt that the whole cake is only 2000 cal. But even Still the macros are garbage. It's going to be pure sugar and fat.
OP calling that entire cake 2000 calories is unironically indicative of exactly why most people fail when they try CICO.
Eggs called. They said "eat me instead, homosexual."