Anyone actually read SS from start to finish? Anyone have experience/opinions on the program? I'm a dyel looking to get as strong as fast as possible in just the basic compound movements before I do anything hypertrophy related
Also I have tried squatting and have realized I am not as flexible or strong in the core to perform the movement properly. Any tips on how to fix this?
>Anyone actually read SS from start to finish? Anyone have experience/opinions on the program?
I have read it start to finish.
> I'm a dyel looking to get as strong as fast as possible in just the basic compound movements before I do anything hypertrophy related
Good for you
> Also I have tried squatting and have realized I am not as flexible or strong in the core to perform the movement properly. Any tips on how to fix this?
I doubt that is the real problem. Fix your technique and start with the bar, going down to proper depth. Bar position in the back, bracing and knees out are the key things that most gym bros get wrong.
Frick SS. Did the shitty program got frick loads of fat on my belly while chest arms and back didn't grow at all. If you want to be fat as frick with a decent squat shit bench and shitter deadlift then do SS.
SS does not tell you to get fat; stupid
rip literally says to eat more and if your gf complains to get a new gf
he literally says in order to progress on his program you have to eat moar
eating more food does not mean get fat
Sounds more like you're a fatty that likes to eat more than you like to exercise.
It doesnt work if you just read the book. You have to do the exercises too
Shitty bait thread. The days of Mark Shitetoe are over
I did it for a while, but didn't follow the advice regarding diet so my lifts aren't that good. However, I am happy with the results in general and it's convenient that there are a gazillion videos and articles that deal with the finer details of form and how to switch to more advanced routines so you don't get stuck.
Starting strength is a dumb program because you will look like shit and still he weak at other movements just doing a standard full body 3x or 4x upper lower with the accessories plus the standard squat and deadlift will get you to the same place in roughly the same time as long as you focus on low rep sets and progressive overload
>still he weak at other movements
Which movements will you not progress in?
Every movement that isn't in the program. You will get stronger at the movements you train for with of course some carry over in other close exercises. Like a deadlift/rack pull. You won't start suddenly being able to hammer curl 30kgs from doing squats. Most guys just want to put on size while getting stronger and that can happen with any logical program with progressive overload. There's nothing magical about starting strength and if anything not seeing gains in your chest and arms is going to be a huge detriment to a new lifter in my opinion. What starting strength does that is logical is throw out bullshit counter productive shit that other programs have like doing heavy squats then doing 5x20 sets of light weight leg extensions
>not seeing gains in your chest and arms is going to be a huge detriment to a new lifter in my opinion
Maybe they should quit being babies and realize how ridiculous that would look for a guy with a generally unathletic frame. Literal Rich Piana levels of body dysphoria
I still don’t see why SS or stronglifts would not be ideal for beginners.
Because no one gives a frick about your clean. Guys just wanna throw on a bit of size for the chicks. This is absolutely the worst program for that. Beginners should stay the frick away from a barbell too. Take a guy who's 30 who's been sitting on a pc for 15 years with tight, weak and short hip flexors and every muscle group imaginable and get them barbell squatting with constant load increase and running into 400 different issues Absolute beginners should probably be doing core and mobility work for 3 months with goblet squats and other variations before ever touching a barbell. Then a base level 3x a week full body routine that touches on a little bit of everything
I have put multiple completely sedentary friends on some version of "3x5 squat/bench/deadlift/chin" with absolutely no problem.
If you want to ignore Ripplebreasts, that's fine, but the core of the programs he's espousing is absolutely correct. Heavy compounds in the ~5 rep range, 3x per week, and if you want to do 3x sets of curls / 3x sets of lateral raises that's fine.
This is correct, most people pick the program apart because it’s hard and requires quite a bit of discipline and intestinal fortitude once you start getting up there in weight. It’s much easier to do five variations on curls and attack the GOMAD strawman, while never getting bigger or stronger. I would challenge anyone to actually do the program as written for just 3 months— add five pounds to the bar each time you go to the gym, eat above maintenance if your current body weight can’t support heavy lifts, and learn to grind through tough reps (this last part is the key that I think most people who end their NLP squatting in the 200s were never able to grasp); and then see if you feel the same way.
To add... GOMAD is not serious nutritional advice. It's meant for delusional skeletons who claim they're eating enough and they just physiologically "can't" gain weight. Drink a gallon of whole milk per day and get back to me.
>Anyone actually read SS from start to finish?
I read all of it
>Anyone have experience/opinions on the program? I'm a dyel looking to get as strong as fast as possible in just the basic compound movements before I do anything hypertrophy related
Sounds like the program is perfect for you. As long as you're comfortable with the fact it won't make you look good then do the program.
>Also I have tried squatting and have realized I am not as flexible or strong in the core to perform the movement properly. Any tips on how to fix this?
Read the book
>no one gives a frick about your clean. Guys just wanna throw on a bit of size for the chicks
Yes every man who can't bench the bar in the entire world doesn't care about improving strength they just want to look good. Sure.
Go back to tinder homosexual
it's starting strength, not starting physique
Someone with good photoshop skills edit this with the correct font and colour so it says moronic Strength thnx
I do stronglifts 5x5 which is very similar to SS. I’m in my fourth month and would definitely recommend it for a beginner. It’s fun to measure progress and I haven’t looked better
Honestly SS is what you should do for 6 months. If you want a intermediate after that of the same, go for MADCOW.
But if you don't have the flexibility then you need to work on posture exercises, Jeff of athleanx has some unironically good videos on them.
If you’re just all about strength, it’s ok for a beginner, but I did something different with more volume because you need a certain amount of muscle mass and general athleticism before strength focused training really makes sense. I would recommend something like
https://www.jtsstrength.com/considerations-for-beginners/
and to take it slow until you can do the compound movements in your sleep and then switch to something like conjugate.
In general, I really don’t get why you would focus so much on linear progression in like the first half year. Chances are you’re gonna frick yourself up because of inconsistencies in your bodies muscular composition or because you lack core strength. Heavier sets also encourage worse form in beginners because they think they’re gonna be Chad Mogginton in half a year.
Start slow
Start smart
Buy the Starting strength app, use it and switch off your brain. Just do what it tells you to and stick to it. Life will be good if you just do this.
Now every c**t here will sperg out about the program and pick it apart. Here is the big secret: do some bicep curls and whatever other accessories you want after your main lifts.
ive done SS for 2 months, all my lifts are decently high and im considered intermediate on sites like symmetric strength. i dont see a point in doing it for a year or trying to hit 1/2/3/4. should i just switch to a hypertrophy program?
>considered intermediate on sites like symmetric strength
>not 1/2/3/4
Are you 5 feet tall?
No. You try to progressively overload workout to workout until you can't. Then you move to an intermediate routine geared towards making you progress weekly. Once that fails, you'll be well above 1/2/3/4 and you'll have enough programming experience to where you can do what you want.
If you try to cook your own food with zero experience, it sucks. If you follow recipes and learn how flavors interact, you eventually graduate to a point where you know enough to try your own thing. Same principle applies to lifting and to life. Follow the guide until you're less moronic.
I have, it's designed to make you hate the gym especially when you get to the point where it wants you to do 5x5 squats. It's also nonsensible at times like when he starts the power clean section saying that explosiveness is 100% genetic then comes to the conclusion of having a soccer mom do power cleans anyway. A lot of flat-out wrong information too like the idea of squats first and in every workout is because squats "boost test" so it will make your arms bigger, which isn't true at all or "hard-gainers" needing 6000kcal a day.
The only thing good about it is that it teaches you to push yourself in the gym. That's good but the problem with SS cultists is that now they think that unless it's a barbell compound movement you can't make any progress with it. Like you can't get stronger on dumbbell curls. Moronic take and yet it's so common on IST.
Yeah, I never understood why he always makes such a big point of explosiveness being a genetic factor and has examples he goes back to like the standard vertical jump test, then introduces power cleans to train for explosiveness for athletics.
The average absolute beginner will frick up power cleans tremendously. He says its possible to replace them with pendalay rows, but the average absolute beginner will still have deteriorating form on those too, doing things like moving the legs and body to help meet the bar without realising.
He's asking morons with 0 muscular development in the required areas to do a movement pattern they've never done before, explosively, with no coaching. I think it would be better to replace power cleans with something simpler like dips, chin ups or pull ups.
I'm a calisthenics gay I don't know anything
It's a decent book with some valid arguments. It's not scripture or anything, so you don't have to stick with the lowbar squat. There's some useful general concepts like the one illustrated on the cover (keep the bar midline with the foot). Overall, it's a good beginner book.
Yea. A lot of it is anatomy shit. There is literally 0 information on this "SS program". The only thing remotely close to a program was a snapshot of some guy's journal doing 5x5 for every lift.
I highly doubt anyone has read it since nobody seems to point this out
The program is at the end of the book at the beginning of the programming chapter 8 "Programming" and in chapter 6 of "Practical Programming for Strength Training"
Cant tell if you are trolling me but which edition do you have? I have read the book twice and there was no "Programming" chapter. I read a different book called Practical Programming where there is literally just 1 chapter on beginner programming
Not trolling. I have the 3rd Edition.
It is chapter 8 of the 2nd edition as well
>Yea. A lot of it is anatomy shit.
No shit. You're reading a book about lifting heavy weights. Learning a routine is trivial.
>Learning a routine is trivial
What a very dyel thing to say. Whats next? Learning anatomy on how to swim through a book and never jumping in the pool?
SS teaches you the mechanics behind the lifts in a 5x5 routine. The routine itself is incredibly simply, that's why it's popular for beginners.
Learning how to program a routine isn't trivial you nerd. Imagine learning how to do all the lift but you aren't aware of reps or sets. Stop replying as if you are arguing which is more important despite the fact "both" are provided in the book(still cant find the programming chapter)
it's good if you want to do olympic weightlifting or powerlifting later on, but you wont look the best aesthetically
Never read SS as I'm not forking out 40 quid for the book.
However I've been using some of the online resources, and following the general gist of the workout program.
Needless to say it's a very different approach from bro splits and push pull routines of which I first followed many years ago.
I've been following it for a good month now and here's some general thoughts that spring to mind on utilising barbell training.
>Having only 5 lifts to worry about, really allows you to hone your form through constant repetition and allows you to better focus on mastery of the lifts.
>As a tradie with previous back injuries from work it's allowed me to better my posture and has drastically reduced my lower back, plantar, ankle, and knee pain.
>Due to using only three lifts a session there's a greater focus on including propper warm-up sets due to less time limitations.
>Likewise if your on a tight schedule or have a history of committal burnout, three days a week hitting everything is more than optimal for most.
>Due to the greater range of motion and anaerobic nature of compound lifts, it's a perfect supplement to a cardio weight loss program.
>Every session sees a noticeable improvement in lifts, and the gains commence at a steady level.
Now it's by no means perfect and I've spotted some downsides notably.
>Barbell bench press is a sketchy ego lift that lacks propper range of motion, and is better replaced with the dumbbell bench press.
>With the lifts included I feel like I'm not activating my biceps or abs enough.
>For a beginner I can see them getting bored very quickly and wanting to try other stuff or quitting altogether.
>The lifts if not done perfectly with good posture and form by a noob, have a greater risk of injury than other lifts.
>Using only the one squat rack allows less views of the cardio bunnies asses on display.
>I'm not forking out 40 quid for the book.
do you know how to use google.com
>Mark Riptoe's weird porn fixation thing
Kind of cringe
>find out his ideal woman was Gianna Michaels
>she was literally my favorite, too
Maybe I'm cringe
I read it all, it was super boring. useful though. I would do high bar squats, add in the arm work that you know you're going to throw in eventually, and definitely strengthen your core. You should also do a mobility/stretching routine because Rippetoe is shit for that.